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Innocent or not, Kavanaugh runs up the cost of evangelicals’ GOP tie

Supreme Court nominee Judge Brett Kavanaugh gives an emotional opening statement before the Senate Judiciary Committee, on Sept. 27, 2018, on Capitol Hill in Washington. (Saul Loeb/Pool Image via AP)

(RNS) — For the professional religious right, the nomination of D.C. Circuit Court Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh to the Supreme Court was an ultimate triumph. Abortion rights, which allegedly propelled religious conservatives from the political sidelines to the corridors of power, are on the cusp of being dismantled.

This moment, decades in the making, was supposed to be a joyous victory, the culmination of a decades-long fight.

The judge, whom the president selected from a long list of candidates approved by the conservative Christian legal establishment, was supposed to see his nomination voted out of the Judiciary Committee to the Senate floor this week.

And yet here we are.

On Thursday (Sept. 27), Christine Blasey Ford, a Palo Alto University psychology researcher, testified on national television that Kavanaugh assaulted her at a high school party as a friend of his looked on.

“I was underneath one of them while the two laughed,” she said. “Two friends having a really good time with one another.”

The friend, Mark Judge, wrote on his yearbook page that “Certain women should be struck regularly, like gongs.”

The pair are a fitting personification of the troubled relationship between conservative Christians and Republican politics.

Kavanaugh personifies all the religious right’s political and legal aspirations. They are confident he will help overturn Roe v. Wade. He personally antagonized the Clintons, served in the George W. Bush White House and rose to the top of the conservative Christian legal movement. Like other religious right front men, he dons his Sunday best. But recent events leave some doubt about whether he can quite live up to the cut of his suit.

Christine Blasey Ford is sworn in to testify before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington, on Sept. 27, 2018. (Saul Loeb/Pool Photo via AP)

Still, religious right icons have rallied to his defense.

When busloads of Liberty University students descend on the U.S. Senate to support Kavanaugh (with university president Jerry Falwell and Penny Nance, the latter of a group called — I am not making this up — Concerned Women for America), it is worth asking what else besides integrity was sacrificed along the way to political victory.

The Georgetown Prep and Yale Law drunken-party circuit — abetted by entitlement, wealth and privilege, and institutionalized toxic masculinity — represent the political party that these true believers were drawn into, even though it was going to be an uneasy fit.

It should have been an uneasy fit.

Politically,  white conservative Christians have been invaluable to the country club wing of the Republican Party, which put their zeal to work to end an era of social progress on civil rights, economic equality and fiscal health. The old guard used its newfound clout to enact deficit-financed tax cuts, decimate the labor movement and shift an ever higher percentage of the national income to those at the very top.

Meanwhile, their own principles suffered.

Few white evangelicals or conservative Catholics were put off by the party’s embrace of leaders who demonized Islam, disparaged undocumented immigrants and rolled back voting rights. They helped ensure that the Republicans ended up abandoning morality altogether and nominating for president a vulgar, spiteful man who boasted of his own sexual assaults.

Now it seems that president has nominated a judge who shares the political values of conservative evangelicals but may have violated many of their morals. Drunken parties and sexual assault are the kinds of things that Liberty University — and Concerned Women for America — have abhorred in the past.

But they no longer seem to give these conservative evangelicals pause.

So often when religion and politics mix, religion is sullied. As the evangelicals have risen in prominence, we have heard less and less about the Old, Old Story, and wondered if they even believed it at all.

The country has suffered under this partnership as well.

Since Republicans’ shameful treatment of Obama nominee Merrick Garland in 2016, the legitimacy of the Supreme Court confirmation process is at an all-time low. Under President Trump’s leadership, the presidency’s legitimacy is at a low ebb as well. Kavanaugh’s elevation would erode the Supreme Court’s legitimacy. The country cannot afford it, and Trump would have been wise to nominate someone more easily confirmable than Kavanaugh.

I don’t know Brett Kavanaugh’s heart. I cannot know what he has done at parties or in the confessional or anywhere else. But even if he did everything he stands accused of and more, his sins and crimes would pale in comparison to his patron, Trump, whom Falwell has called “evangelicals’ dream president.” If Kavanaugh’s behavior disqualifies him, how much more is Trump disqualified?

After the Kavanaugh debacle, which was supposed to be the conservative Christian political and legal movement’s crowning moment, I can no longer look at the union between so-called Bible believers and pro-rich politicians as something normal, expected or accepted.

My new framework for understanding the religious right is not my own. It comes from Christine Blasey Ford, the brave soul whose civic duty compelled her to speak out about what actually happened: “Two friends having a really good time with one another.”

(Jacob Lupfer, a frequent commentator on religion and politics, is a writer and consultant in Baltimore. The views expressed in this commentary do not necessarily represent those of Religion News Service.)

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  • A lot of us have our eyes wide open, and we don’t intend to forget the face that white evangelicals (and white Catholics and Mormons) have shown us by electing Donald Trump and visiting the ugly, ugly spectacle going on with the Kavanaugh hearings on the nation.

    We won’t ever unsee this face — and, sad to say, many people will simply dismiss it altogether as the ugly face of a very ugly Christianity.

  • Lupfer is a 100% Trump-Hater, hence Lupfer predictably chooses to be (at least 99.9%) a Kav-Hater.

    Okay, got it. Next inexcusably biased RNS sales-pitch, please!

  • What we are witnessing is nothing more than political theater at it’s worst. This is nothing but dems trying to derail this nominee and they will do what ever smarmy thing that needs to be done. They believe they will win enough seats in Nov, thereby keeping this seat open until 2020 if possible. They have used scare tactics regarding abortion, and every other liberal icon at their disposal to make sure the court does not turn conservative or even hint at being conservative. I am disgusted at the dems manipulations of the situation. I hope they can someday see themselves and how they have alienated many dems (including myself) and stop pandering to the radicals.

  • “Politically, white conservative Christians have been invaluable to the country club wing of the Republican Party, which put their zeal to work to end an era of social progress on civil rights, economic equality and fiscal health. The old guard used its newfound clout to enact deficit-financed tax cuts, decimate the labor movement and shift an ever higher percentage of the national income to those at the very top.”

    This has been going on since 1980 and is such an unbelievable display of tone-deafness from Church over almost four decades that we can expect most of the Evangelicals to not be in the least concerned about the Kavanaugh spectacle. They WANT to do what they have been doing all these years. It’s not about abortion. It’s about the fantasy economics of Calvinism and the Prosperity Gospel. They think income taxes are theft, but sales taxes are not. Beats me why Church has not been able or willing to do better on this stuff. The faithful think six-digit doctors, seven-digit lawyers, eight-digit entertainers, nine-digit CEOs and ten-digit pure financial traders are good for them, good for America, people just blessed by God C’mon. It’s been four decades since the broad middle class —-the real outlook for the real working class—–peaked in America.

  • Donald Trump was not nominated to the Supreme Court.

    It is the Democratic Party that visited this ugly spectacle on the nation, and the increasing approval of the Republicans and decreasing approval of the Democrats demonstrate the message is getting through.

  • From watching the tape, it seemed the only time Dr. Ford wants to fly is when she is high. So, the rest of you want to call yourselves Bible believers and pretend you are normal.

    In other news today, Chris Wallace confirms Kavanaugh is guilty by talking to his young children. Dianne Feinstein strong arms a senator up against the file cabinet. Or, was she hitting on her?

  • I think the writing at RNS is conspicuously subpar, with many writers reasoning from preset conclusions back to premises, but this hit piece is particularly bad. There are plenty of valid observations that can be made about this process without this kind of crapola: ” the brave soul whose civic duty compelled her to speak out about what actually happened….”
    A high school sophomore would know better than to write that. The writer doesn’t know “what actually happened.” He has no basis for saying that she’s right and he’s wrong. Address the issues they both raised. But if you want to dismiss evangelical Christianity with this piece, I hope school children are your audience.

  • Wow – when I read stupid shit like this I hope to God Ginsberg “retires” sooner rather than later. Then I hope Trump puts another constitutionalist on the court to overturn every liberal decision ever handed down.

  • Shameful — Garland. Really.

    What word is then left to describe how Judge Kavenaugh was treated today if Garland sets the standard for Shameful.

    What today taught me is that politics is a religion. People, (including this author) are going to believe what they want to believe. He is guilty because we want him to be. He is innocent because we want him to be. That was shameful because it wasn’t what I wanted or agreed with.

    Politics is the largest faith based enterprise at work — we believe what we want to believe that we think will get us the most money or power or both.

    What a very sad tragic day today was. I hope that for our Republic tomorrow is better.

  • My trust is not in government, nor in politics, but in Jesus Christ. The Apostle Paul explained the salvation of Jesus Christ to the Politician Felix in Acts 24:10, 24-27.

  • “I hope school children are your audience”

    You greatly underestimate the very real power of tribal loyalty among adults. What we have here are two competing martyrs. The most interesting question is which martyr will have the most impact on the elections in 2018 and 2020. If Kavanaugh is confirmed, as seems likely, then Saint Christine will become a very powerful icon for Democrats. If Kavanaugh is not confirmed, then both Saint Brett and Saint Christine will become powerful icons for their respective tribes.

  • Hi, AP – My comment was not about the martyrs, as you describe them. My comment was about the writing. Other than Mark Silk, I can’t think of an RNS writer who can reason from premise to conclusion. – Monica.

  • “Saint Christine” is a very powerful icon for:

    – the damage that incompetent therapy can do

    – the willingness of the Democrats to destroy lives

    http://stiltonsplace.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2018-09-28

    “Thursday’s Kavanaugh hearings were compelling, heartbreaking, enraging, and disgusting. It was a naked display of the depths the Democrats on the committee would go to in their attempts to destroy a good man…while blithely also ruining the life of Christine Blasey Ford who they used as an expendable political pawn.”

    “Dr. Ford’s testimony about an attempted rape 36 years ago was riveting, emotional, and made a convincing case that she believed what she was saying. But over the course of the hearing, it became quite clear how ruthlessly and dishonestly she has been used by the Dems.”

    “She had requested anonymity to avoid having her life shattered. But her identity was leaked to the press when only Dianne Feinstein and her staff had the information about her complaint.”

    “Dr. Ford didn’t want to appear in the spotlight to be grilled by politicians, but her handlers knew that a woman in emotional distress would make for good TV, no matter how damaging the experience might be for her. Which is why she showed clear surprise when she was asked why she hadn’t agreed to give her testimony privately, have members of the committee fly out to her home, or simply answer questions on the phone: her legal team and handlers had never told her that these were options.”

    “In a perfect moment of irony, when questioned on this matter, the woman who claims to have been traumatized for a lifetime by having a hand clamped over her mouth was cut off from speaking by one of her handlers who suddenly clamped her hand over the microphone .”

  • It’s 2018 and the old white dinosaurs are going all in on this one.
    Kavanaugh’s partisan rage and scapegoating should tell anyone he is not suitable or worthy of a gig on the sumpreme court.
    Claiming that he is a victim of a HILLARY! revenge plot shows just how weak a man he is, and like so many entitled d-bags in he has never learned to “man up” when things get uncomfortable

  • And yet they should be thrilled to have vermin such as yourself here, with your repeated threats of violence and your very liberal use of the word ‘retard’?

  • “reason from premise to conclusion”

    But Lupfer is an opinion journalist. The purpose of an opinion journalist is to give public voice to the dogma of his tribe and do it in a way that appears rational to his tribe. Systematic reasoning from premise to conclusion is not the goal of opinion journalists. Reinforcing and confirming the already existing biases of the tribe is the goal. If you do not believe me, take note of BobBob”s regurgitation on this thread.

    An interesting thing is happening on Fox News. As you know, Fox News has news journalists and opinion journalists. The opinion journalists are foaming at the mouth in favor of Kavanaugh’s confirmation. The news journalists are treating the accusations as credible enough to deserve further investigation.

  • Pretty sure it’s a comprehension problem.
    He didn’t say any of that.
    If you read and process the words he is saying that he is talking about how Christian values are being distorted by bias.
    You interpretation of this article is the perfect example.
    Your only defense of the piece is to attack the person writing it.
    I the real world that is not a valid defense of a topic and shows the weakness of your hand.
    It certainly isn’t how Christ has taught us to talk to each other.
    If you don’t like the writing on the site find something more useful to do with your time than reading it and writing nasty comments.

  • It’s 2018 and the lovers of psycho-twaddle are all wobbly in the knees and drooling over completely uncorroborated, unsubstantiated, contradicted self-serving comments by a demonstrated neurotic with three decades plus of anxiety issues.

    As the scapegoat, Kavanaugh’s rage at being vilified by this nonsense, at Feinstein’s partisan sandbagging of the Committee in order to prevent inclusion of the allegations in the FBI investigation that preceded the hearings should be partisan – partisan for decency, honesty, commonsense, and integrity on the part of Senators and moral outrage at dragging his family into the muck.

    I recall the Democrats’ treatment of Miguel Estrada, who had worked in the Solicitor General’s office, and who was Bush’s first appellate-court nominee in 2001. Estrada withdrew his name twenty-eight months after being nominated. During the confirmation struggle, Estrada’s wife miscarried; in November, 2004, she died, of an overdose of alcohol and sleeping pills. Mrs. Estrada had been traumatized by the nastiness of the process.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/08/08/minority-retort

    The public full well understand who the “d-bags” are, and they aren’t the ones you would like it to believe.

  • Your interpretation of this piece is to rewrite it so that it does not say what it plainly says in plain English.

  • It would be fascinating to me to see how the left would react to president Trump’s nomination of Merrick Garland or..god forbid…former president Obama. Suddenly, this issue would be gone. What would they do?

  • If Lupfer is an opinion journalist, then he should construct an argument that connects a series of facts to establish the opinion he wishes his audience to accept, eternallystumped.

    If “(s)ystematic reasoning from premise to conclusion is not the goal of opinion journalists”, then what you’re actually describing is either an ideologue or a propagandist or both.

    Here are examples of opinion journalism:

    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/god-stalks-the-kavanaugh-hearings/

    https://religionnews.com/2007/12/11/church-based/

    If you do not believe me, take note of your own regurgitation on this thread.

  • 1. Actually, I quoted him. 2. I didn’t attack him. I criticized his writing. 3. Christ never said not to criticize other people’s writing. 4. I’ll write what I want, when I want. That’s how blogs work.

  • I’m in Padua, so I don’t get Fox News. I’ve read some reports about yesterday’s hearing. I agree that most folks heard what they wanted to hear.
    Even opinion journalists need to reason well, or their opinions are worthless.

  • “Even opinion journalists need to reason well, or their opinions are worthless.”

    In an ideal world, perhaps. But in the real world of politics their opinions can be powerful mobilizers.

  • I think Kavanaugh had a rude awakening. As a teenager he simply did what “boys” do, goof off, pranks, grab a feel, in his mind it was all in fun, no sexual assault (since there was no actual sexual intercourse–same excuse Bill Clinton used), AND in his mind no harm was done.

    Now to discover that harm was done, doesn’t fit with his self-righteous, champion of women, image he has built for himself as an adult. Which by the way, psychologically could be an attempt to right the wrongs he committed, and he knows were wrong, as a teenager and young adult.

    His only recourse is to deny any of it happened, AND to play the self-righteous victim of a Democratic plot. Note the so called fair and impartial hearing was anything but. The Repubs turned it away from the charges and towards a conspiracy theory that it was all a Democratic plot to destroy a virtuous Christian man.

  • I think the Republicans and the public had a rude awakening.

    The Republicans found out the Democrats cannot be trusted at all. Grassley, who heretofore had a working relationship with Feinstein, would be nuts to trust her again.

    The public found out the Dems are running a lynch mob and are losing control of it.

    It’s showing up in the polls.

    Kavanaugh’s only recourse was to tell the truth, which he did, and his anger was both understandable and justified.

    And the suggestion it “psychologically could be an attempt to right the wrongs he committed, and he knows were wrong, as a teenager and young adult” is the sort of psycho-claptrap coming from a portion of the distaff commentary in preference for actual evidence.

    Bah, humbug.

  • “Innocent or not” pretty much sums it up. The post is then admittedly all about politics and not about a search for innocence/guilt or a search for truth. Senator Flake is a Trump opponent and is not running for office. Watch his vote.

  • As the folks like Kennedy and Ginsburg die or retire, trust that the law will be actually be applied will go up.

  • When did I ever threaten violence? I simply point out that black people should have realized by now that lynching minorities (such as LGBTQ+ people) is wrong, yet for some reason they have not.

  • Hopefully many will come to see what the democratic party for what it is. Smearing a man’s reputation is no big deal given that the murder of the unborn is what they stand for.

  • Of course you will sweetie, and you will continue to twist things and pick your nits to fit your biases.
    Like they say “if you don’t manage your sh*t , your sh*t manages you.
    Keep making noise but your heart knows what is true and what is bs intended to soothe and justify your story.

  • That’s probably a violation of Disqus terms, which prohibits threats of violence.

    I’ve blocked her/him/it so I can’t flag it.

  • Good article. Clearly Trump and his toadies are unfit to lead our democracy. And at the 9/27 Senate hearing Dr Ford came across as a totally credible witness, while Kavanaugh came across as not credible, as a paranoid Trump follower, and as totally wrong for our Supreme Court.

  • That’s how you people treat sexual assault survivors, people who seek or provide abortions, and of course LGBTQ+ people. Get used to it.

  • Bob should know by now that the Jesuits have withdrawn their endorsement of Kavanaugh, a grad of one of their own schools. With the endless clergy abuse and coverup scandals, the church does not need to see a grad of one of the church’s elite high schools and credibly accused abuser of a teenage girl elevated to the SCOTUS.

  • JP listen to yourself.
    Turn your thinker back on for a minute and run this through it:
    THE DEMOCRATS WANT AND HAVE ALWAYS WANTED AN INVESTIGATION.
    That simply does not jive with yor claim so knock it off

  • Left wing Jesuit magazine?
    How many Jesuit magazines are there exactly?
    Your partisan crap is getting old.
    Yale has asked for an investigation, The Mormon’s woman’s ethics in politics organization has asked for an investigation, and the american bar association added them selves to the list last night.
    Your party is one of very few real men, most are cowards that default to scapegoating and defenses like yours when put on the hot seat.
    It’s a tragic downside of many of the white and entitled; they never learn the importance of the character building trait of man-ing (or woman-ing) UP when things get tough by doing and saying the right thing even if you don’t want to, even if it’s hard and demanding the same thing in others.

  • He was investigated 6-7 times by the FBI. NOthing was found. Ford claimed he assaulted her. No facts, no witnesses. She is lying. Case closed.

  • If you don’t know how many Jesuit magazines and newspapers there are, you probably won’t understand the answer when it is given.

    “America” magazine is left-center biased:

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/america-magazine/

    Yale, the Mormon women, and you do not have a vote.

    Kavanaugh is undergoing a process called for in the Constitution requiring that appointments be made with the advice and consent of the Senate. The Democrats’ attempt to foist the decision onto the mob is consistent with that party’s behavior since losing the 2016 election, but that ain’t in the Constitution.

    Scapegoating consists of making false allegations, which these apparently were, and defenses are appropriate when false allegations are made.

    Your partisan crap began old and has gotten older.

    Have a nice day.

  • So, Jabba the Trump just tweeted that he found Dr. Ford’s testimony to be very credible. Unless Jabba is lying yet again, that means he believes her. Which means that he believes that, in his inestimable estimation, Kavagnaw is lying. Which means that Kavagnaw is, in Jabba’s mind, a serial sexual abuser and a liar with an alcohol problem. Which makes him qualified to be on the Supreme Court.

    OK, then. And yet, as we learned yesterday, and which trump confirmed today, even if Kavagnaw is guilty, guilty, guilty, at least half of evangelicals would support him anyway, just as their hero, Jabba the trump, does. A man with a history of “credible” sexual assault, a man with an alcohol problem, and a liar.

    Every time I think the republicans and evangelicals have reached the bottom of the pit as far as moral and ethical rot goes, they find yet another shovel.

  • Uh, no.

    “Credible” – able to be believed.

    She certainly believed it.

    Now, had he tweeted that he believed her story, or that her story was true, that would another matter.

    What was your original language prior to learning English?

  • There WAS an investigation. In fact Kavanaugh was investigated six times by the FBI in his career.

    In this situation Senator Feinstein sat on an allegation of which she was aware until the hearings were concluded, and THEN popped Dr. Ford on the Committee to delay a vote, which was clearly not going the way the Democrats wanted. In short she sandbagged the Committee knowingly and on purpose with full malice and intent.

    In order to investigate there has to be something to investigate.

    In the instant situation we have her allegation, which is denied not only by the accused but by EVERY person she alleged was present.

    All the FBI can do is take statements and note they conflict.

    There is no physical evidence. There is no contemporaneous evidence or verification. She does not even know when the alleged event took place.

    She does have an extensive history of therapy and anxieties.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anxiety_disorder

    but has chosen NOT to allow her therapist to discuss her diagnosis or the issues for which she is seeking treatment.

    This party is over.

  • Not even close to true, but so far it is a well worn party line. The FBI has not investigated any of the allegations. Kavanaugh even has opposed such things.

    You are lying, case requires further inquiry.

  • The call for for Kavanaugh to be “investigated” puts the spotlight on the wrong person. It’s already clear that no evidence of the incident exists apart from the recollection of the accuser – her reminiscence is the ONLY thing supporting the charge, and thus is the only thing there is to “investigate.” If the FBI seriously wanted to look into the case (which it doesn’t), its “investigation” would have to begin – and end – with probing Blasey-Ford’s memory. Here is a good place to start:

    https://townhall.com/columnists/scottmorefield/2018/09/23/exclusive-eminent-california-professor-and-human-memory-expert-weighs-in-on-christine-fords-allegations-against-kavanaugh-n2521636

  • There was nothing objectionable coming up in Garland’s past. It was just the Senate GOP felt itself more loyal to the party than to their duty to the nation. This is no different.

    Shameful is a great way to describe the efforts of conservatives here. The excuses, the character assassination, the hysterics, the hackneyed rape apologia… Whatever pretenses existed as to being “values voters” is a laughable farce.

    A saner GOP led senate would have rejected Kavanaugh and simply found a more suitable candidate.

  • Yep – agree.
    Can’t wait to hear how often she got drunk and laid.
    Cant wait to see her medical records.
    Can’t wait to hear who paid for her attorneys.
    Can’t wait to see her political affiliations.
    Can’t wait to have someone investigate her inconsistencies and lies.
    Most of all, can’t wait to see how Diane “I had a Chinese spy 3 feet away from me for years” Feinstein orchestrated the whole stunt; including the leak to the media.
    Shameful….

  • “A saner GOP led senate would have rejected Kavanaugh and simply found a more suitable candidate”

    Surely you jest. You know as well as I do (though I acknowledge the possibility that you won’t admit it to yourself) that no candidate Trump nominated would be acceptable to the Democrats, not because of anything in their personal backgrounds, but because of their positions on Constitutional Law — the same reason they are opposed to Kavanaugh. As soon as Kavanaugh’s name was put forward, Sen. Schumer announced that he would oppose the nomination totally — without a hearing, without even meeting the candidate. Why? Because of the candidate’s legal position regarding the Constitution. That’s what this is really all about. Quit fooling yourself.

  • Cory Booker molested someone – didn’t he?

    Your party – right?

    New Jersey Democratic Sen. Cory Booker is facing accusations of hypocrisy over his calls to delay the confirmation vote of Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh amid sexual misconduct allegations, as he once admitted groping a friend without her consent in high school.

    The senator, who urged the Senate Judiciary Committee to first let the FBI conduct an investigation after California professor Christine Blasey Ford accused the high court nominee of sexual assault over 35 years ago, once wrote an article detailing an instance where he groped a female friend.

    She was drunk too.

    “New Year’s Eve 1984 I will never forget. I was 15. As the ball dropped, I leaned over to hug a friend and she met me instead with an overwhelming kiss. As we fumbled upon the bed, I remember debating my next ‘move’ as if it were a chess game,” Booker wrote in the student-run Stanford Daily newspaper in 1992.

    “With the ‘Top Gun’ slogan ringing in my head, I slowly reached for her breast. After having my hand pushed away once, I reached my ‘mark,’” he continued, without explaining what he meant by “mark.”
    “Our groping ended soon and while no ‘relationship’ ensued, a friendship did. You see, the next week in school she told me that she was drunk that night and didn’t really know what she was doing,” he added.

    I’ll let you google the rest.

    Hypocrites.

  • No trump candidates would decent because trump is a terrible judge of character. His supporters are even worse in their judgment. But finding one who isn’t a sexual predator would have gone a long way towards swaying public opinion towards Republicans.

    Now Republican = Rapist, will be used in upcoming elections. Have fun with that.

    Republicans fired that shot first when they refused to do their duty with Garland. So tough luck there. They opened the cab of worms. No sense in complaining about the wriggling Now.

  • Talk to joe Biden – his rule.
    Amirite?
    Or, your history book doesn’t go back that far at the ministry of truth.

  • Because attacking the character of a rape victim is pretty standard practice for scumbags.

    As is attacking those who first disclosed the story and making up cheap excuses.

    And of course the bullshifting with phony rumors to top it off.

    I would ask you if you had a shred of decency or honesty, but I already know you have none.

    You have really shown yourself to be a pretty reprehensible person. Have fun with your rape apologists nonsense. I couldn’t care less what you have to say here.

  • Nope. More dishonest bull-shifting from you. Typical.

    Here’s a hint, you can’t excuse crap behavior by saying “they did it first”. It’s especially bad when you lie about the past to do it.

    When have you stopped making crap excuses for atrocious behavior?

  • I’m white and 65 so bring it on.
    I DO have a clue as to how our world is evolving by the minute and refuse to cling to old outdated ways of doing and thinking because the changes scare me and I am afraid my power and relevance will be taken away.
    There has been a giant cultural shift brought about by the #metoo movement and along with it a growing intolerance for the the type of attitude and behavior these aging frat bros are displaying.
    Kavanaugh was polling negative when he was nominated and lost another -9 when all of this started. I can’t imagine where he was at after his he lost his sh*t when he was put on the hotseat and acted just like the belligerent entitled d-bag high schooler Dr Ford had described.
    The American Bar Association, The Mormon Women’s Ethics Group, Yale University, a Jesuit Magazine and THE VAST MAJORITY OF AMERICANS all want an investigation.
    Forcing his nomination down the throats of so many against the will in such a belligerent, entitled d-bag fashion will not end well and I am damn glad that’s not how it’s going to happen….
    Pretty sure they didn’t have the votes but no need to rub that in.
    They have agreed to investigate. That’s all that is needed

  • If your 65 and white I’m 25 and Asian…
    That being said, IF, the FBI investigation turns up nothing (for sake of argument); then you will clearly support kavanaugh’s appointment AND not hop on the impeachment train – correct??

  • Do they feed that to ya with a spoon or you have one of those Hannity holes the kids are talking about?
    Your claims show an incredible bias and an unwillingness to look at all the facts.
    Dr. Ford contacted her local representative about the incident asking to remain anonymous and left a message on the NYT’s tip line when she learned Kavanaugh made the short list. The representative hand delivered the letter to Feinstein all of this was done with the promise of keeping it confidential.
    The NYT’s figure out who she was and contacted her still agreeing to keep her confidence it was only after the letter leaked and people figured out who she was did she agree to be interviewed by her contact any the NYT’s
    and disclose her name.
    Who exactly was Feinstein supposed to tell if she was to keep her promise?
    Tell me about your world; are you surrounded by people that would double cross a victim like that?
    Do you going around breaking promises? Would you expect Republican member of congress to violate the confidence of a constituent?
    She doesn’t have any desire to prosecute, there is no need for a search warrant, Dr. Ford simply felt her experience with Kavanaugh should be known to those considering his fitness to be a supreme court judge.
    She knew what she would be facing so she got a polygraph and respectfully requested that Kavanaugh’s background check get reopened and the FBI look into things Including interviewing witnesses before she got up in front of the world to tell her story.
    For reasons that make zero sense Republicans refused to investigate but she got up there anyway. Even Trump believes her.
    Now that they don’t have the votes The committee has agreed to investigate.
    you just can’t fix stupid

  • Yes, you’re Exhibit A that you can’t fix stupid.

    Let’s recap this:

    1. Feinstein got a letter from a constituent alleging sexual harassment by Judge Brett Kavanaugh during his high school years. She sat on it for 60 days, only to bring it up after hearings were concluded, obviously for some political bang, following the news that Kavanaugh would likely be confirmed without incident.

    2. Asked about it at the time, Feinstein said she had questions about whether it was ‘truthful.’ That was her argument and stayed her argument, until Ford became politically useful.

    3. Then Feinstein, or someone on her staff, leaked the letter to the press, following Feinstein’s promises of confidentiality to the writer, effectively outing her, and forcing her to come forward as a named witness whether she liked it or not. That backed the witness, Christine Blasey Ford into a corner, forcing her to come forward with her allegations in testimony under oath, which, given the perjury trap it was for her, were quite vague. Ford herself said she believed she was betrayed and outed by someone on Feinstein’s staff.

    4. That was obvious enough when Feinstein was instrumental in getting Ford a leftwing lawyer to do the media grandstanding.

    5. After that, Feinstein was confronted about her political opportunism by Sen. Ted Cruz, and tried to brush the whole thing off, begging his question about how the letter was leaked by saying reporters were the problem, not leakage. Pressed by another senator, she said she asked their staff and they said no – as if Feinstein, who employed an utterly untrustworthy Chinese spy on that same staff for 20 years – should just take their word for it. Sneaky leakers would never lie, now, would they?

    6. In a moment of perfect irony, when questioned on this matter, the woman who claims to have been traumatized for a lifetime by having a hand clamped over her mouth was cut off from speaking by one of her handlers who suddenly clamped her hand over the microphone.

    Even a Yellow Running Dog like yourself for this obscene circus has to admit this smells of last week’s garbage, that the Dems threw Dr. Ford under the bus, and that it marks a low mark even for a mendacious group of political hacks like the Democratic senators.

  • 1. Feinstein got a letter from a constituent alleging sexual harassment by Judge Brett Kavanaugh during his high school years. She sat on it for 60 days, only to bring it up after hearings were concluded, obviously for some political bang, following the news that Kavanaugh would likely be confirmed without incident.

    2. Asked about it at the time, Feinstein said she had questions about whether it was ‘truthful.’ That was her argument and stayed her argument, until Ford became politically useful.

    3. Then Feinstein, or someone on her staff, leaked the letter to the press, following Feinstein’s promises of confidentiality to the writer, effectively outing her, and forcing her to come forward as a named witness whether she liked it or not. That backed the witness, Christine Blasey Ford into a corner, forcing her to come forward with her allegations in testimony under oath, which, given the perjury trap it was for her, were quite vague. Ford herself said she believed she was betrayed and outed by someone on Feinstein’s staff.

    4. That was obvious enough when Feinstein was instrumental in getting Ford a leftwing lawyer to do the media grandstanding.

    5. After that, Feinstein was confronted about her political opportunism by Sen. Ted Cruz, and tried to brush the whole thing off, begging his question about how the letter was leaked by saying reporters were the problem, not leakage. Pressed by another senator, she said she asked their staff and they said no – as if Feinstein, who employed an utterly untrustworthy Chinese spy on that same staff for 20 years – should just take their word for it. Sneaky leakers would never lie, now, would they?

    6. In a moment of perfect irony, when questioned on this matter, the woman who claims to have been traumatized for a lifetime by having a hand clamped over her mouth was cut off from speaking by one of her handlers who suddenly clamped her hand over the microphone.

    All this marks new lows even for a mendacious group of political hacks like the Democratic senators.

    Need anything else?

  • “The cab of worms” sounds like a cab-driver’s nightmare. But aside from that, this whole discussion becomes irrelevant now that President Trump has ordered an FBI Investigation. The operative question now is whether, when the investigation turns up nothing, any Democrat Senator will change his/her vote based on that clean bill of health. I’m betting not — want to disagree?

  • https://news.gallup.com/poll/242906/republican-party-favorability-highest-seven-years.aspx

    “Republican Party Favorability Highest in Seven Years”

    “Forty-five percent of Americans now have a favorable view of the Republican Party, a nine-point gain from last September’s 36%. It is the party’s most positive image since it registered 47% in January 2011, shortly after taking control of the House in the 2010 midterm elections. Forty-four percent give the Democratic Party a favorable rating.”

    If the mid-terms go the way I think they will, I will personally send “thank you” cards to Senator Feinstein and her top three Senate buddies, staring with Blumenthal.

  • The ONLY will that matters is the Senate.

    His nomination is being considered under a Constitutional requirement for the advice and consent of the Senate.

    That’s all she wrote, Ms. Greenberg.

  • Why would I lie?
    if it helps you stereotype me or whatever it is you are trying to do. I’m also a women, drive a mini-cooper sav, own a business, registered independent and like to paddle board and garden in summer, play ice hockey (not as well these days but my teammates are kind) married with adult kids hoping to be a grandma sooner rather than later
    I thought Kavanagh was slippery fella from his hearings so no, I would not support him. I thought he was better suited to a seat in the house than a judge on any bench
    How he handled his denials and the way the good ole boys rallied around their fraternity bro to get him this gig confirmed my initial response that they needed to move on to someone going in with less debt.
    Unless Mark Judge decides to do whatever step that is in AA where they make amends, I have a feeling that all we are going to learn is that despite his description of being a virgin choir boy, his behavior in high school and college was pretty much the entitled belligerent misogynist drunk that Dr. Ford and his yearbook and college yearbook describes.
    Which means as an adult he is a big fat liar.
    Devil’s triangle is a drinking game… have you boofed I mean passed gas YET.
    Gimme a break.
    It will be up to the committee to stand by their most qualified “best of the best” claim if that’s the case…

  • “Why would I lie?”

    Because you’re New York yellow running dog for a group of misfit miscreant overaged and underachieving politicos whose idea of “integrity” is to sandbag information for two months until it served a political purpose, at which point they threw Dr. Ford, the Constitution, integrity, truth, and any chance at all of working with Republicans under the bus?

  • Republicans opened the door to this kind of obstructionist behavior. They can all go jump in a lake if they want to complain about it being returned in kind. 🙂

  • If you are saying she is lying, then it means she is definitely being truthful. Because you are not.

    Its telling that the most dishonest, malicious, hateful miscreants here are the ones so sure Kavanaugh is “innocent” and so afraid of Ford’s testimony.

  • Mr. cut-and-paste; what about Harry Reid changing the rules of the senate for judges appointed to the federal bench?

  • Mr. cut and paste; you keep referring to Republican behavior, yet again you fail to look into your partys past and their activities that were counter to the rules of the senate.
    AND, We still haven’t talked about that shit show that was Ted Kennedy.

  • Mr. Cut and Paste?

    I provide links when I do such a thing. When was the last time you did?
    When was the last time you provided a factual assertion which could even be supported?

    At worst, I am Mr. Links!

    I guess when you lack any kind of argument in response, you have to make one up. You apparently like arguing strawmen over dealing with what people actually say.

    “We still haven’t talked about that shit show that was Ted Kennedy.”

    Why? You have a time machine? Because at no point is he relevant to any discussion of current events. Might as well be moaning about that Warren Harding and his love child for all it matters. (He had one. Look it up)

  • Triple post and nothing to say.

    What about it? Only Republicans have ever abused their majority and authority to deliberately prevent a SCOTUS nominee from even having a confirmation hearing. No amount of bullshifting is going to change that dishonorable act.

    If you are annoyed the current pick is being delayed, tough luck. Turnabout is fair play. The fact that the current one is a suspected sexual predator makes it even easier.

    Republicans = Rapists. Get used to hearing that until November.

  • What about it?
    Where have I cut and pasted (without citation)?

    I don’t speak unhinged lying bullshifting wingnut. You need to elaborate on your position if you want to have an adult convo.

  • Bullshifting liar sayz wut?

    Try wikipedia and get a clue. Then maybe you will get a point. But I doubt it. You have been positively unhinged as of late.

    All that rapist apologia, nonsense conspiracy theories and railing against people testifying under oath.

    Take a breather, put down the meth pipe and chill.

  • As far as you’re concerned, Republicans can all go jump in a lake regardless of what they do. At least you were honest about your obstruction objective. Which, of course, means that the actual facts of the matter are irrelevant to you, as long as the obstruction is achieved. But we already knew that.

  • My answer is in there.
    Slippery in that he wouldn’t answer direct questions, when being questioned by a Democrat he tried to control the interview by either responding to the question with a filibustering brag or some evasive nonsense.
    He did poorly with “hot seat questions” like the stolen documents.
    And this this is just my thing, I’m sure it warmed the hearts of some but I HATED the way he paraded his daughters and their friends around, it was manipulative and contrived made him look like a cheesy sales guy.
    Yesterday he sounded like a entitled belligerent brat. Even worse a partisan brat.
    He lied about things like being of legal age to drink and I have no idea who the heck he thought his audience was when he explained the Devil’s Triangle was a drinking game like quarters and “have you boofed yet” really meant ‘have you passed gas yet or some similar BS. And his weak stomach of course
    Of course the fact he has no self control could have possibly been excused except that under pressure his go to response was rage and scapegoating and actually, out loud, and in front of the whole country claimed he was a victim of a “HILLARY!!” Revenge plot.
    Forget the allegations, this dude is far from the best of the best he is too insecure to be authentic, so he manufactured this Virgin choir boy persons by piling lies on top of lies.
    He built himself a trap and now this investigation is going to find out he was exactly the person Dr. Ford described him to be when he was young and an adult that has now respect for the truth and therefore isn’t fit to sit on the bench in traffic court.

  • Good lord there are no such thing as super powers!
    You can’t read minds and no matter what Hannity tells ya if you “stay tuned” he’s not really going to tell you what the liberals don’t want you to know.
    Freaking paranoid partisan bs is being pumped into what left of your thinking machine.
    Democrats are not the enemy. The enemy is the stupid things you are choosing to believe about your friends neighbors and coworkers.

  • You are a hateful person, and a misogynist and you need psychological help for your conspiracy theories and outlook of what is real in life. Maybe you are a Russian troll or a typical American Nazi but perhaps you can still change to have some humanity,

  • Yeah…I already got that you pretty much disagree with my position(s) across the board. And speaking of not being a mind-reader, I think Hannity is a twerp and you have no clue WHAT I believe about my “friends, neighbors and coworkers.” Aside from that, all you’ve got is palpable disdain and name-calling. That may fortify your own sense of self-worth and righteousness (and draw the plaudits of your peers), but it adds nothing to the substance of the discussion. Therefore: “yawn.”

  • Why?
    If we are going to have an investigation, then everything is fair game to be investigated.. OR, does the accused only get investigated?
    I say again, if we are entering a time where people (women) can make false accusations against men; and men are guilty on sight; then we are screwed.
    I may be a Russian troll, but you have no clue about justice, fair play or the rule of law.

  • Anytime you start a comment with “you know as well as I do” and go on and state a personal opinion and THEN insult the person in a response you have lost your audience.
    The only disdain I have is for those who don’t listen and spew talking points they haven’t bothered to process for them selves.
    Oh and I have a problem with hipsters and people that end comments they obviously tried too hard to make clever with overused “zingers” like “yawn”
    And people that drive too slow in the left lane,,,
    Bottom line is no one will listen to you if you do it in a way that alienates the person you are attempting to communicate with.
    We ALL do it at times especially on boards like this but if you have a point of view you think is worth expressing take some time to review and shape it with even more information than these over used sound bites and express it such a way people who may disagree are compelled to listen to you
    Just saying…..

  • “Its telling that the most dishonest, malicious, hateful miscreants here ….” – I think you mean the fact-based prove it or drop it folks which you have gradually blocked as they’ve repeatedly handed you your -ss on a platter.

  • Roughly half of rape accusers are lying. That’s a fact.

    Writing “attacking the character of a rape victim” rather than “attacking the character of a rape accuser” gives you away.

  • Beyond the presumption of innocence and the lack of proof?

    I thought that was all that was required in this here USA.

  • There is and was NO DUTY relative to Garland.

    When that matter was discussed it was pointed out to YOU in detail the number of times and lengths of times nominations were sat on by the Senate.

    In fact Chief Justice Taney – who wrote the Dredd Scott decision – was brought up:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_B._Taney

    In January 1835 Jackson, in defiance of the Senate’s rejection of Taney as Treasury Secretary, nominated Taney as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court to replace the retiring Gabriel Duvall. The Senate was scheduled to vote on Taney’s confirmation on the closing day of the session that month, but the anti-Jackson Whigs who dominated the Senate blocked the vote and introduced a motion to abolish the open seat on the Court. The latter was unsuccessful, but the Whigs succeeded in preventing Taney’s confirmation to the Court. The seat was then left open for over a year until Philip Pendleton Barbour was confirmed to it on March 15, 1836.

    Please get your facts in order.

  • The chances that Feinstein, Leahy, et al will vote for Kavanaugh is about the same as the chances that Spuddie will have an actual fact in on of his pots.

  • The guy lied under oath and to the American people to manufacture a false persona and get himself a gig on the Supreme Court.
    He lost control when on the hot seat, was disresptful to a WOMAN senator, scapegoated as a defense and on national tv actually claimed he was a victim of a “HILLARY!” revenge plot.
    Oh and yeah he has allegations of sexual abuse hanging over his head which probably can’t be proven but will open up a can of worms about his “weak stomach” and the other lame-o definitions of the slang he and his friends used
    He is shown he is an adult liar. A partisan politician and a weak and not very wise man.
    He is nowhere near the best of the best. Why on earth would you not think the party could do better

  • No, the guy did not lie under oath.

    As a fair-minded individual, I would expect him to treat a female senator EXACTLY as he would a male senator in the same circumstances. And he did.

    There really is no doubt in the mind of the public he was, in fact, a victim of a political assassination unrelated to his qualifications.

    The fact that idiots like the porn star’s freaky attroney can line up “allegations” by a string of zanies even zanier than you are simply proves his point.

    He has a proven track record, scores of female employees and peers endorsing him, an adult life free of even a hint of inappropriate behavior, and is known for being non-partisan.

    Your zany “Why on earth would you not think the party could do better” as though the Democrats had not already mapped similar attacks for each and every potential nominee indicates a tenuous connection to the real world and the track record of what apparently is your favorite party.

  • He didn’t lie she did. She accused him of essentially raping her but has no eyewitnesses. That is what is called lying.

    I’m sure you agree that he should sue her for slander for millions after this is over.

  • the Mouth of Bob, which is the king and the god of BobWorld, specializes in ad hominem and imagination witty remarks. Don’t pay him no never mind.

  • See my comment above.

    Arguing with The Voice of Bob is like arguing with a concrete cinder block, but nowhere near as much fun. Good luck with it.

  • I never had you as an “audience” to begin with. And while “yawn” may count as “clever” in your world, my usage simply expresses my dismissive disinterest in your opinions and their political motivations. I could have put all that in my original post, but “yawn” is a much more efficient use of available space.

    “Bottom line is no one will listen to you if you do it in a way that alienates the person you are attempting to communicate with.”

    In light of your other postings on this board, that comment is absolutely hilarious. “The projection is strong with this one.”

  • Well if you could find yourself a reliable source of information you would learn that he wasn’t “investigated” he had several background checks done. Unless you had a criminal record as a youth or a young man they would not go back as far as high school or college.
    They DO NOT redo a background check each time, they “update” the existing one, looking for any concerning behavior since they last on
    I have no clue why you think that investigation this is a problem.
    If nothing turns up he will be exonerated.
    This is about right and wrong not politics.
    Shoving something like this down the throats of a country where the majority of it’s citizens are not just against it but STRONGLY against it for moral reasons would not have ended well for the republican party.

  • How the heck do you know what the FBI wants to do?
    You think they took a vote?
    Wray was all over this when asked yesterday so quick making stuff up.
    If making stuff up is what it takes to defend your guy you may want to consider he may not be worth defending.
    This isn’t a legal trail is a background check to see if Kavanaugh is the best candidate for the job. Best of the best.
    Wise, fair, just, unbiased and with a passion for the truth

  • I believe I will heed the warnings of others on this site an will respectfully disengage
    Have a good weekend bob

  • You “mess” with everyone you address, yet feign surprise when it’s reciprocated. The world is full of wonders!

  • Not even close to true. But it is a fiction that saves you the trouble of ever addressing what they do or how they act. As of late they have done much to earn hostility from those who value the nation and its principles.

  • This is a smear job. He was investigated 6-7 times and nothing came up. Ford is lying and I hope he sues her and others for defamation of character.

  • Kavanaugh is unfit to be on the court due to his lopsided view of the law. Also, he lacks the life experience of the average American male or female regardless of color, but instead had a privileged background. Those of privilege are over represented already.
    What he did or did not do in high school is not relevant due to his age. What he might have done in college is a bit of a different matter, but there are few of us who can be totally proud of our conduct if we were exploring life to its fullest in our late teens and early 20s. I seriously doubt there are many in the senate who were much better in their youth be they Democrat ,Republican, female or male. If they were not, then ask what kind of a personality is a person? This of course does not excuse rape. Would you hold everyone who streaked or skinny dipped an exhibitionist while drunk?

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