Supreme court nominee Brett Kavanaugh testifies before the Senate Judiciary Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 27, 2018. (Saul Loeb/Pool Photo via AP)

White boys will be boys: Kavanaugh, #MeToo and race

(RNS) — The Brett Kavanaugh crisis has been a crucible for questions about sexual behavior and women's equality. But Thursday's drama on Capitol Hill, and evangelical Christians' responses to it, also reveal much about the racial problem at the heart of white conservative Christian America.

A number of white evangelical pastors publicly insist that the rape allegations by Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and other recent victims are simply “irrelevant” because Kavanaugh was a 17-year-old boy, too young to be held responsible for such actions if they occurred at all.

Franklin Graham, who has said he believes Kavanaugh’s denials of sexual assault, also dismissed the claims against him as political maneuvering.

“It’s just a shame that a person like Judge Kavanaugh, who has a stellar record, that somebody can bring something up that he did when he was a teenager close to 40 years ago. That’s not relevant,” Graham told the Christian Broadcasting Network.

Boys will be boys, as the saying goes.

Many white conservative voices have asked that we give Kavanaugh the benefit of the doubt. By not extending this same courtesy to his multiple accusers, these pastors make clear that they don't consider combating gender violence a priority in this country or in the churches they lead. Although Ford has testified in front of the Senate Judiciary Committee, this nation has a long way to go in believing women’s voices concerning sexual violence.

Yet Kavanaugh’s case is not just about the inequalities associated with gender and how women are made responsible for violence committed against them. This issue also reveals the fault lines between white conservative Christians and black communities.

The Rev. Al Sharpton, center, speaks at Greater Grace Church in Florissant, Mo., on Aug. 17, 2014, during a rally for justice for Michael Brown, an unarmed teen shot by Darren Wilson, a Ferguson police officer. Photo by Christian Gooden/St. Louis Post-Dispatch


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White conservative Christian preachers such as Franklin Graham might pause to wrestle with the uneven racial histories that portray young black boys (and girls) as responsible for a myriad of social problems, even when they are innocent.

In this country, in short, black boys can never simply be “boys.”

Consider 14-year-old Emmett Till, lynched by a vicious white mob over allegations involving sexual assault of a white woman in 1955 in Mississippi. Worse, it took decades for white political leaders to decry his lynching.

There are still Emmett Tills today, who are murdered without due process.

Consider Mike Brown, an unarmed black teen who was fatally shot in the middle of the street for looking (and supposedly behaving) like a “monster” (the words of Officer Darren Wilson).

Consider the life of Botham Jean, gunned down in his own home by Officer Amber Guyer only to be met with rationales that he resisted the commands of an off-duty officer who broke into his house. Even more horrific, his house was searched after the shooting and new rationales for his death emerged, including the argument that he had marijuana in his home and was therefore a threat, inviting his own demise.

Consider Dayonn Davis, a Georgia teen who was tried as an adult for stealing a $100 pair of shoes and received a five-year prison sentence.

Being a child in America is unequivocally tied to race. Being a black child in America is perilously unsafe. These uneven histories demonstrate that white boys can be treated as children, while black boys are tried as menacing adults.

White conservative political leaders appear to be equally appalled that they have been “forced” to hold hearings on whether the allegations against Kavanaugh are true. During Lindsey Graham’s meltdown during Thursday's hearing, the senator stated that “immaturity does not equal criminality.”

Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., points at Democrats as he defends Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh at the Senate Judiciary Committee on Capitol Hill in Washington, D.C., on Sept. 27, 2018. (Tom Williams/Pool Image via AP)


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This is a privilege that is not accorded so many black boys and men. What excuses Kavanaugh from being called to account, to determine if indeed his alleged actions caused trauma in the life of a 15-year-old girl? Kavanaugh desires to be chosen for one of the highest positions in our nation. Why shouldn’t a fair and proper investigation be conducted in light of these serious allegations?

The answer is plain: Conservative voices want to give Kavanaugh a pass because he is a white man who will represent their interests.

The kind of sexist and racist logic that pastors such as Franklin Graham espouse is reckless and demonstrates that the racial gap in our country is sadly denied. We cannot heal. We must call out the demons of white privilege that allow white men to be considered innocent from the very start while ethnic groups such as blacks in this country go on trial even after their own blood has unjustly been spilled.

Most importantly, this entire hearing is a symptom of a much deeper problem in our country, in which entire groups of vulnerable and marginalized people stand to be stripped of fundamental rights and liberties.

We should be concerned about what Kavanugh represents: a doubling down of white evangelical Christian America in the face of growing ethnic, gender and religious diversity. With Kavanaugh’s appointment, women stand to be denied access to reproductive justice. Immigrants will continue to feel the weight of white populist anger and state violence. Policies to roll back important health policies will affect the poor. Disadvantaged black communities will experience an ever-growing system of mass incarceration and militarized policing.

As I watched Kavanaugh cry during the hearing, I wondered why his tears were privileged over those of countless vulnerable groups who have been adversely affected under the Trump administration and will continue to be affected by Kavanaugh’s appointment.

Race matters. And an acknowledgment that race matters in Kavanaugh’s case is both an intellectual and spiritual admission that things must change.

(Keri Day is an associate professor of Constructive Theology and African American Religion at Princeton Theological Seminary. The views expressed in this commentary do not necessarily represent those of Religion News Service.)

Comments

  1. Great piece. As an old white man, I appreciate the racial take expressed here. We do have to REPEATEDLY ask why so many white people (and white church people in particular) wanted to follow “nothing Obama” and “anything or everything Trump”. With Kavanaugh, there is all that plus more for white Evangelicals to consider. Why are the Conservative Church leaders not saying “Hey, we don’t hold with all this beer partying and carrying on as a lifestyle for teens or anyone else. We should not be putting this on the Supreme Court of America”? Why do they not have the discernment to listen to and watch Kavanaugh (and the writings of his buddy, Judge) and notice that these guys were little jerks and are now big jerks? And then, there are some gender matters. Kavanaugh will or will not be on SCOTUS at the sole discretions of Joni Ernst, Deb Fischer, Shelly Moore Capito, Lisa Murkowski, and Susan Collins.

  2. It was inevitable that the first black president would be unsettling for those – whatever their socio-economic status – who were psychologically invested in a white-privilege society. That is why we have the Tea Party, Trump, and now Kavanaugh.

    Perhaps the Tea Party and Trump are the dying gasp of white privilege. The policies of Trump and the Republicans may prove to be equally or more unsettling for those who are psychologically invested in a tolerant, inclusive society where women and minorities matter as much as white males. Maybe 2018 and 2020 will tell us something.

  3. Good comment. One can start from Brown v. Board and follow the dots right to Trump and his Evangelical supporters.

  4. Keri Day’s article may have made some sense had one scintilla of actual evidence indicting Judge Kavanaugh been presented, one witness confirmed the accuser’s story, one fact of any corroborated this 36 year old memory of a drunken teenage girl.

    As it is we should be concerned about what Kavanugh represents: a doubling down of a notion of entitlement by any party that can pose as aggrieved, a disregard of basic American values such as a presumption of innocence, and a belief that men cannot be believed but a woman can always be.

    With Kavanaugh’s appointment Americans stand to benefit from a Supreme Court that applies and interprets laws rather than creates new ones, a Congress that can actually pass laws without being second-guessed by minor district Federal judges who take it upon themselves to impose national orders, and a restoration of the democratic process.

    Oh, and the ideologues like Keri Day will actually have to put on their big boy and big girl pants and battle out in the Public Square with the rest of us.

  5. It’s very easy for old, white Republican men to deny the charge that white male privilege exists and has dominated this nation’s politics ever since its inception. All they have to do is say, “it doesn’t exist,” and viola! It doesn’t exist. See how that works? Meanwhile, they work tirelessly to ensure the continuation of their power at every turn. They sense that this nomination is very critical to the maintenance of their power and they’re terrified about losing it. That’s why they’re ramming this through.

  6. Believe it or not the article was about Judge Kavanaugh, not the Tea Party or Trump.

  7. Or not.

    I get the impression you may be following the Yellow Brick Road.

  8. No, it is not.

    Nor is the Supreme Court a substitute for Congress.

  9. I see since Kavanaugh was not completely destroyed yesterday the left has to resort to the old tired tactic of white privilege, white male privilege, etc. For those who see the facts of this case they are just brushing aside these same old labels. People can think what they want but no longer are people going to take the lefts interpretation as truth any more.

  10. The people who have been living the good life, reaping the benefits of a legislative Supreme Court, a presumption of guilt if the accused is white, male, or both, and otherwise bypassing the democratic process due to entitlement are simply in a state of jaw-dropping shock that the party appears to be winding down.

  11. They have cried wolf too many times society is just sick and tired of it all.

  12. Wow – ANOTHER racist article written by a racist hack for RNS.
    How an uncorroborated, unverified, politically motivated smear against a Supreme Court nominee can lead to the statement that, “WHITE boys will be boys” is intellectually dishonest and utter bullshit.
    Like most liberals, Ms. Keys takes the news story of the day, ignores facts, inserts emotion and self-identifying hatred of people/groups she doesn’t like; removes any common sense that may have been given to her by God and does whatever contortions are required to get her brain to blame white men for her problems.
    What.
    A.
    Joke.
    I didn’t know BLM was a church – but if it is, I do know who the pastor is.

  13. No she doesn’t; she can spew her hatred in the classroom and from the pulpit.

  14. Not only is “WHITE boys will be boys” intellectually dishonest, it’s racist.

    But Day has a GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card, at least one point versus Kavanaugh’s at best zero points.

    He gets one for being of color.

    Kavanaugh gets zero and in some counting systems gets demerits for male and white, in this system earning a minus 2.

    That gives Day either a one point or three point edge and he can say anything he wishes about Kavanaugh.

  15. This is the kind of article that, though written to have a positive impact, has a negative impact. Keri Day and his criticisms of certain white evangelical pastors will not change their tone or their message. Keri Day is preaching to the choir. Affirm and build up some white evangelical pastors who will be rightly critical with their own, the men who can offer criticisms and net positive results in this situation. Criticize where you have influence, and build up others to criticize where you don’t have influence.

    Hey Keri, love your heart for the problems facing our country.

  16. He appeared to be p-ssed off over getting dragged through a circus, having death threats made on his family, and being called names by idiots like yourself.

    I thought he was rather constrained.

  17. Michael Brown was shot because he attacked a police officer and tried to steal his gun.

  18. After this week, we can no longer speak of being “naughty”. We’ve entered the world of “Kava-naughty”.

  19. Oh I get you now, “Keri Day … associate professor of Constructive Theology and African American Religion at Princeton Theological Seminary. … Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and other recent victims … [all deserve much] believing [for their] voices concerning sexual violence” – because – get this now! – and I do, I really do – “with Kavanaugh’s appointment, [1] women stand to be denied access to reproductive justice. [2] Immigrants will continue to feel the weight of white populist anger and state violence. [3] Policies to roll back important health policies will affect the poor. [4] Disadvantaged black communities will experience an ever-growing system of mass incarceration and militarized policing.”

    More power to you! Clinched fists up! And may all rape victims, aborting women, immigrants, the poor and blacks unite!

    And oh yeah, don’t you start the revolution without me!

  20. Kavanaugh was guilty of being white and privileged.

    You are right. That article reeks of racism.

  21. Except white men like Trump & Graham get a Pass or it is DOES NOT MATTER, when you pretend you are a Christian.

  22. What a Racist Laced Article by a True Racist…..RNS should be ashamed to have ever let an article like this be posted on it’s site…. The HATE harbored by Keri Day speaks volumes of the true face (and heart) of the radical left today.

  23. the very fact that you are echoing the nonsense of “white privilege” is the reason our country is finished. this is why you are ALWAYS PUZZLED….you are a liberal, hence low information voter. Stay Puzzled….

  24. “Consider 14-year-old Emmett Till, lynched by a vicious white mob over allegations involving sexual assault of a white woman in 1955 in Mississippi.”

    Consider Brett Kavanaugh and his family, being lynched by a Democratic mob over three-decade-old unsubstantiated allegations of sexual assault. I’m guessing “The Crucible” and “To Kill a Mockingbird” are going to not be looked on favorably by the Left in years ahead. “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap.”

  25. There’s no comparison.

    Emmett Till got a death sentence for a lie perpetuated by a white woman, who admitted it a few years ago. You’re right God will not be mocked Brett Kavanaugh teenage escapes are being examined as they should have been 36 years ago.

  26. He was going about his business of robbing convenience stores before he attacked the cop and got deservedly shot.

  27. Did I say anything about Ford? I’m talking about the lynch mob ginned up by the Left over allegations that are and will continue to be unsubstantiated. The Left couldn’t care less about Ford, all they want is another weapon to use in their search and destroy mission against Kavanaugh.

  28. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown

    “A grand jury was called and given extensive evidence from Robert McCulloch, the St. Louis County Prosecutor. On November 24, 2014, McCulloch announced the St. Louis County grand jury had decided not to indict Wilson. On March 4, 2015, the U.S. Department of Justice reported the conclusion of its own investigation and cleared Wilson of civil rights violations in the shooting. It found forensic evidence supported the officer’s account, that witnesses who corroborated the officer’s account were credible, and that witnesses who had incriminated him were not credible, with some admitting they had not directly seen the events. The U.S. Department of Justice concluded Wilson shot Brown in self-defense.”

    You don’t need much in the way of facts to head right for a conviction, do you?

  29. I certainly believe in alternative facts. I stand by my statement: Michael Brown would be alive today, if it wasn’t for a trigger happy cop.

  30. Look, I hate to breaking it to you but #theblue will protect their own, no matter what the circumstances. Besides, it is a known fact that the true eyewitnesses were threatened to protect Wilson.

  31. Over the years I have dealt with a lot of police shootings.

    Here are the known facts:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Michael_Brown

    “A grand jury was called and given extensive evidence from Robert McCulloch, the St. Louis County Prosecutor. On November 24, 2014, McCulloch announced the St. Louis County grand jury had decided not to indict Wilson. On March 4, 2015, the U.S. Department of Justice reported the conclusion of its own investigation and cleared Wilson of civil rights violations in the shooting. It found forensic evidence supported the officer’s account, that witnesses who corroborated the officer’s account were credible, and that witnesses who had incriminated him were not credible, with some admitting they had not directly seen the events. The U.S. Department of Justice concluded Wilson shot Brown in self-defense.”

    If you are trying to tell me that “it is a known fact that the true eyewitnesses were threatened to protect Wilson” and the U. S. Department of Justice couldn’t decipher that, that forensic evidence was falsified and the U. S. Department of Justice couldn’t sort that out, I am going to suggest you take that up with aliens who abducted you and performed experiments.

  32. Forensic evidence can falsified the same way a cop can’t plant weapons and illegal drugs on victim. C’mon you can’t be that naive?

  33. And the U. S. Department of Justice, whose investigators ARE the FBI, were clueless.

    Are you really expecting anyone to buy that?

  34. I quoted a Wikipedia article which is heavily footnoted in the original.

  35. The U.S. Department of Justice was out of it’s jurisdiction in so far as civil rights violations in the Brown case. But, it did investigate St. Louis and came away with some starling stats about the corruption in that city as whole as against minorities.

  36. Jeff Flake represents the small sliver of White Privilege men with enough roots in the 1960s to still have a conscience. Part of his crisis is due to the strange emotional duality of being raised Mormon in that era of social awakening. Many Mormons of that age and era have left the faith to embrace social justice and progressive politics. Those Baby Boomers who remain Mormon, struggle like Flake or sell out entirely, like Orrin Hatch has. Mormon Trump and Kavanaugh supporters have their blinders on very, very tight.

  37. Uh, no.

    Civil rights violations violate Federal law and are well within the jurisdiction of the U.S. Department of Justice.

  38. Wilson did nothing wrong and Brown deserved to get shot.

  39. “Racist” – that’s the word I was looking for after feeding my (online) paper shredder with this so-called “Opinion” piece.

    According to Cambridge University Dictionary, “racist [is] someone who believes that other races are not as good as their own and therefore treats them unfairly”.

    Even though, that is, per the disclaimer, “the views expressed in this commentary do not necessarily represent those of Religion News Service.”

  40. KERI DAY: “[Not being] ‘forced’ to hold hearings on whether the allegations … are true … [is] a privilege that is not accorded so many black boys and men.”

    JOSEPH JAGLOWICZ: “Excellent … Thanks.”

    KERI DAY: “Conservative voices want to give … a pass [to] a white man who will represent their interests.”

    JOSEPH JAGLOWICZ: “Excellent … Thanks.”

  41. But it’s not for this PDF but for this racist trash here that you wrote this line of praise & gratitude: “Excellent article. Thanks.” Whatsapp wit dat?

  42. As we all know, white men are predestined by God to be on the Supreme Court, and black men are predestined by God to be gunned down by the police. Well, that’s what Evangelicals tell us anyway.

  43. Yeah, just don’t compare the rates of sexual assault committed by black men and white men.

    I mean, it’s not like the black rate is astronomically higher or anything. Actually it is, but don’t let that get in the way of your brainwashed, deluded outrage.

  44. I never saw that before, but you know what? OMG & Jesus be glorified – you’re right! Here are the scriptures, in fact, and exactly like you said, honest to God:

    (1) “Peter and John lifted their voices to God and said, ‘O Lord, truly in this city of Jerusalem there were gathered BLACK men together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both BLACK men Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the BLACK Gentiles and the BLACK peoples of Israel, to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur”!

    (2) “We WHITE men know that God causes all things to work together for good to those WHITE men who love God, to those WHITE men who are called according to His purpose. For those WHITE men whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many WHITE brethren; and these WHITE men whom He predestined, He also called; and these WHITE men whom He called, He also justified; and these WHITE men whom He justified, He also glorified”!

    (3) “We WHITE men speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our WHITE men’s glory; the wisdom which none of the black rulers of this age has understood; for if the BLACK men had understood it they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; but just as it is written, ‘Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard, and which have not entered the heart of the WHITE man, all that God has prepared for those WHITE men who love Him'”!

    (4) “The God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ chose us WHITE men in Him before the foundation of the world, that we WHITE men would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us WHITE men to adoption as white sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will. In Him also we WHITE men have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will, to the end that we WHITE men who were the first to hope in Christ would be to the praise of His glory”!

    Source: (1) Acts 4:19, 24, 27-28. (2) Romans 8:28-30. (3) 1 Corinthians 2:7-9. (4) Ephesians 1:3-5, 10-12.

  45. They actually have to go back to 1955 for examples. Don’t ask them about modern interracial rape statistics—no way in hell are they ready for THAT conversation.

  46. You mentioned it because you have to go back to 1955 for examples.

    Modern interracial rape stats are overwhelmingly black on white.

  47. It is actually.

    Regarding homicide, 84% of white murder victims are killed by whites.

    93% of black murder victims are killed by blacks.

    There isn’t a single crime category in which blacks aren’t statistically overrepresented.

    And there isn’t a single intelligence test ever devised where blacks come close to achieving intellectual parity with any other group on earth.

    LOL x 1000!

  48. Fascinating how much this story gets wrong. And how many myths perpetuated. Below I will show studies showing blacks don’t get shot more than whites, and commit sexual assault at rates far higher. All using mainstream academic sources (some by black professors).

    #1
    Black women raped 2.5x more often than white women:

    “Black females experienced higher rates of rape or sexual assault in 2008 than white females or females of other races (2.9 compared to 1.2 and 0.9 per 1,000 females age 12 or older, respectively.)”

    SOURCE: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf

    #2
    “Black-on-white rape is far more prevalent than white-on-black rape in confinement facilities, despite the fact that blacks outnumber whites in prison” And overall in society: “Black-on-white rape is more prevalent than white-on-black rape.”

    SOURCE:
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/j.1745-9125.2009.00145.x

    #3
    Here are 6 studies showing blacks are NOT likely to be injured or shot more often than whites or other racial groups by police:

    NEW June 2018:
    http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1948550618775108 (“Is There Evidence of Racial Disparity in Police Use of Deadly Force? Analyses of Officer-Involved Fatal Shootings in 2015–2016”) ALSO: Author’s earlier analysis: https://www.cesariolab.com/race-bias-in-shooting

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/1745-9133.12269 (“A Bird’s Eye View of Civilians Killed by Police in 2015” Criminology and Public Policy)

    http://injuryprevention.bmj.com/content/early/2016/07/27/injuryprev-2016-042023 (Injury and Prevention: “Perils of police action: a cautionary tale from US data sets”)

    http://www.nber.org/papers/w22399 (Roland Fryer at Harvard: “An Empirical Analysis of Racial Differences in Police Use of Force”)

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2870189 (College of William and Mary Department of Economics and the Crime Prevention Research Center: “Do White Police Officers Unfairly Target Black Suspects?”)

    http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1745-9133.12187/abstract (Washington State shooting study showing police shoot unarmed whites more in training than unarmed blacks DESPITE showing greater implicit bias against blacks: “The Reverse Racism Effect”)

  49. Why? Because Professor Day is correct. Kavanaugh grew up in a privileged and wealthy environment where (white) boys felt they had the right to behave irresponsibly, especially with alcohol and girls.

    “In this country, in short, black boys can never simply be ‘boys.'”

    So very, very true.

    If you don’t see racism in the white world in the USA, you’re willfully blind.

  50. They may not be from the KJV, but I quoted them from the TTV Bible. Look’em up in the ‘Til Tuesday Version.

  51. Citation needed. Prove to me that “Kavanaugh grew up … fe[eling he] had the right to behave irresponsibly, especially with alcohol and girls.”

    And may Mother Mary & Saints’ Relics have mercy on you for spitting out false accusations like that. There’s no available Penance for that.

  52. What is your dilemma? And what are you doing here all the way from Christian News Network? A Christian Right Nationalist contemplating jumping the ship? It’s worse off here at St. RNS.

  53. One wonders what Bob does when he is not hurling insults and annoying

  54. A decade ago at a meeting in Indianapolis a lawyer and former member of the IN legislature told me that former 3 term senator Birch Bayh was asked make a speech for Obama in southern Indiana and wondered what he should say. The lawyer jokingly said “Tell them he is half white.”

  55. One wonders what Edd does when he is not cranking out anti-Catholic nonsense and touting false constructions of church and state relations.

  56. “Prove” to you? Read the news reports.

    “There’s no available Penance for [false accusations about Kavanaugh].”

    Oooo-Kaaaaaaa. Whatever you say :o)

  57. For 50+ years have been a full time activist for religious liberty and our constitutional principle of church-state separation and our pub;ic schools, magazine columnist, published over 20 books (including 6 of poetry and fiction) and sections in 20 other books and encyclopedias, lectured in over 30 states, testified at congressional hearings, been a guest on hundreds of radio and TV talk shows, served on the boards of organizations promoting civil liberties and women;s rights, singing in my church’s choir, etc. Opinion polls for years have shown that most Americans agree with me on these topics.

    Since most Catholics agree with me on the issues above, it’s weird to think I am anti-Catholic. I am critical of many of the church hierarchy’s positions, but so too are vast numbers of Catholics. And I have had quite a few of my writings published in Catholic publications.

    That still leaves us wondering it Bob just sits around in his bathrobe at his computer and annoys people.

  58. Edd, I have only followed you for about 30+ years, but you’ve been in that time an activist for:

    – a zany take on church-state relations

    – a purveyor of anti-Catholicism

    – a thorn in the side of Letters to the Editors

    Calling your pamphlets “books”, and your letters to “America” “published in Catholic publications” is tolerable as a bit of puffery, but when it comes down to actually supporting your positions, they don’t do the job.

  59. A 200 page book, Bob, is not a pamphlet. I have written some of those too. My position on church-state relations is that of Jefferson, Madison, Franklin, the ACLU, most legal experts, and most of the Americans who have voted on the matter. He seems to think that critics of Vatican policy, including vast numbers of Catholics, are necessarily “anti-Catholic”. Yes, I have had numerous letters to editors published; the editors generally seem to like them. Bon may not approve, but large numbers of Catholics agree with my comments on Vatican policies.

  60. A 200-page self-published book is common.

    Your position on church-state relations is is that of carefully selecting self-serving fragments from Jefferson, Madison, and Franklin which present positions not adopted by the Supreme Court, and touting positions of the politicized ACLU, many of which have been rejected by the Court.

    As to “most legal experts”, I am afraid not.

    With the exception of nine Americans on the Supreme Court, Americans don’t vote on church-state relations.

    Large numbers of people who no longer attend church, know little or nothing about Catholicism, and otherwise could be classed as “ex-Catholics” may agree with you.

    So what?

  61. According to Oxford University Dictionary, “prove [means] demonstrate the truth or existence of (“Kavanaugh gr[o]w[ing] up … fe[eling he] had the right to behave irresponsibly, especially with alcohol and girls”) by evidence or argument.” Not, as your Bottom-Feeders’ Level of English would have it in the name of Progressive Catholicism, by “read[ing] the news reports.”

  62. Bob seems unfamiliar with Everson (1947), and many other rulings. And he seems to ignore the 28 state referenda on yax aid for private schools. He also seems unaware of Prometheus Books.

    Now what has Bob ever published?

  63. Noting your anti-Catholicism is nothing particularly new:

    https://bellarmineforum.org/2012/01/22/judases/

    Prometheus Books is about as close to self-publishing as you can get with one degree of separation:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prometheus_Books

    where you have three titles:

    https://www.edelweiss.plus/#sku=0879757086&page=1

    “Out of Stock Indefinitely”

    https://www.edelweiss.plus/#sku=0879758392&page=1

    “Out of Stock Indefinitely”

    https://www.edelweiss.plus/#sku=1573929417&page=1

    “Out of Stock Indefinitely”

    It is always helpful to know when your time has passed.

    The 28 state referenda did NOT speak to the Constitution or constitutionality of anything. In fact, the fact they were held at all indicates whatever was on the ballot was on its face constitutional. The electorate does have the right to decide how to spend its money, whether you like it or not.

    I have no intention of revealing personal information to satisfy the hunting “… what has Bob ever published?”

    A good portion of what I wrote was promulgated in the form of reports, speeches, and other materials by others.

  64. Bob likes to hide behind anonymity/ What is he hiding? As for the referenda. they all dealt with the question of whether government could force taxpayers to support Catholic and other church schools, an issue that Jefferson. Madison and Franklin all touched on. And the 1992 referendum in Maryland asked voters to pass on Roe v Wade, an issie the court dealt with in 1973, and MD voters came down on the side of Roe by 62 to 28.

  65. I regard the news reports of preppy student behavior as valid, thereby “demonstrating” the truthfulness of what I wrote earlier. Here’s a Wikipedia link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1990/02/04/area-headmasters-warn-parents-of-student-parties/06927fdb-a9fb-4a1c-89bb-8b004e21825e/?utm_term=.0246ff054850.

    Per Wikipedia, “[Georgetown Preparatory School] is among the most selective boarding schools in the United States. With an annual tuition of $56,665 in 2015, it is the 4th most expensive boarding school in the United States. It is the only Jesuit boarding school in the United States and is in the district of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Washington.”

    Do your penance.

  66. Can’t Arizona produce senators with spines? For crying out loud, McCain and flake are moderate democrats at best…
    We might as well give Arizona back to Mexico.

  67. See https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/01/opinion/kavanaugh-white-male-privilege.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage. See also its link to https://www.vox.com/identities/2017/12/15/16781222/trump-racism-economic-anxiety-study.

    If you’re a “Tightey Whitey”, societal change is already here, and it will only become more pronounced as time goes on. Long past time for women and non-whites to take their rightful place in the good ol’ USofA.

    Rich, white, preppy privilege be damned!

  68. According to Oxford University Dictionary, “prove [means] demonstrate the truth or existence of (“Kavanaugh gr[o]w[ing] up … fe[eling he] had the right to behave irresponsibly, especially with alcohol and girls”) by evidence or argument.” Not, as your Bottom-Feeders’ Level of English would have it in the name of Progressive Catholicism, by:

    (1) “Read[ing] the news reports”!

    (2) “Regard[ing] the news reports of preppy student behavior as valid”!

  69. According to Oxford University Dictionary, “prove [means] demonstrate the truth or existence of (“Kavanaugh gr[o]w[ing] up … fe[eling he] had the right to behave irresponsibly, especially with alcohol and girls”) by evidence or argument.” Not, as your Bottom-Feeders’ Level of English would have it in the name of Progressive Catholicism, by:

    (1) “Read[ing] the news reports”!

    (2) “Regard[ing] the news reports of preppy student behavior as valid”!

    (3) Ranting, “Long past time for women and non-whites to take their rightful place in the good ol’ USofA. Rich, white, preppy privilege be damned!”

    Ggggooooaaaallll !!!! The record-breaking score, and still counting, is now …

    HpO 3:0 Joseph Jaglowicz

  70. My “Bottom-Feeders’ Level of English” is better than your actual use of English.

  71. Progressive Catholicism: the only valid form of Catholicism.

  72. Bob, your answers are not Christ-like, Christian or even ethical.

  73. Because 4 times in a row now, you’ve blown your chances to prove your theory that “Kavanaugh grew up … fe[eling he] had the right to behave irresponsibly, especially with alcohol and girls”, the score stands at:

    HpO 4:0 Joseph Jaglowicz

  74. Because 5 times in a row now, you’ve blown your chances to prove your theory that “Kavanaugh grew up … fe[eling he] had the right to behave irresponsibly, especially with alcohol and girls”, the score stands at:

    HpO 5:0 Joseph Jaglowicz

  75. Christ wouldn’t engage in an on-line discussion.

    The fact that you’re posting indicates you’re not Christ-like, Christian, and your ethics …. well, let’s just say you have an opinion.

  76. They all dealt with whether money should be spent.

    Roe v. Wade was a Supreme Court decision. It is not subject to a state referendum.

    Neither Jefferson, nor Madison, nor Franklin were Supreme Court justices.

    Each and every referendum was for something permitted by the Constitution.

  77. Bob simply knows nothing about the 1992 MD referendum. Voters were asked whether they supported MD’s continuing to support Roe v Wade if the SCOTUS overturned it. Jefferson, Madison and Franklin were not justices but they were leaders in setting up our system and were strong advocates of church-state separation. The SCOTUS has been ambivalent in recent years on church-state issues and departed from precedent. But Bob would rather rewrite history.

  78. Yeah, Edd, other than living in Maryland I know nothing about it.

    Maryland is one of the Five Sisters, along with California, who’d vote for a Yellow Dog if the Democrats ran it.

    The SCOTUS has repeatedly rejected your take on church-state relations, which is why you avoid dealing with SCOTUS decisions,

  79. How could Bob live in Maryland and know nothing about the 1992 state referendum on Roe v Wade? Bob also disdains the voters in the state he says he lives in. Weird. Ans Bob is wrong about the SCOTUS and church-state relations. He seems unfamiliar with the 1879 Reynolds ruling, the rulings in Everson (1947), Lemon (1971), and many others up until the Repubs began screwing things up in the late 1990s.

  80. One wonders what the Back Orifice also known as Bob does when he is not defecating on us with his insulting posts and spouting falsehoods about his fraudster hero Trump.

  81. Bobber, Christ doesn’t exist, so of course he can’t engage, online or otherwise.

  82. Not with anyone other than you keeping your score. HpO, you are the loser here plain and simple.

  83. Better to give you to Mexico. In several wheelbarrows.

  84. I know what you are. José Carioca was spawned in 1942 by Walt Disney for the sole purpose of befriending Donald Duck. Are you telling me that Joseph Jaglowicz is your old friend, Donald Duck?

  85. There are no referendums on questions of the Constitution.

    That’s the purview of the Supreme Court.

    We’ve already done the Supreme Court dance, and you have to go to Reynolds in 1879 and Everson in 1947, AND selectively cite from them, to even use them.

    Lemon supports my position.

  86. Another message from Bob in the Twilight Zone. The 1992 MD referendum asked MD voters for their opinions on maintaining the principles of Roe v Wade in the event that the SCOTUS vacated the 1973 ruling. The 28 state referenda showed that by 2 TO 1 US voters support the principle in the First Amendment and 37 state constitutions that government should not compel taxpayers to support religious institutions. The referenda in question did not establish constitutional law, but they got the opinions of voters on constitutional law.

    And Bob really does not support the 1971 Lemon ruling, a ruling that I was involved in.

    Edd Doerr

  87. The “28 state referenda” you keep citing were whether or not fund this or that program which was clearly legal. They were spending referenda, not constitutional referenda.

    The opinions of voters on constitutional law are meaningless unless they are voting on an amendment to a state constitution.

    Generally after Trinity Lutheran Church of Columbia, Inc. v. Comer, 582 U.S. (2017) so-called “Blaine” amendments at the state level denying funding to religious religious organizations while providing
    grants to similarly situated non-religious organizations are unenforceable since they violate the freedom of religion guaranteed by the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment to the United States Constitution.

    The so-called Lemon rule is not even followed consistently by the Supreme Court.

  88. The state referenda expressed voter opinion on a First Amendment issue, and the voters by 2 to 1 favored the view of Jefferson, Madison and the other Founders that taxpayers should not be forced to support religious institutions, which is what 90% of private schools are.

    Lemon (1971) was a 7 to 1 ruling with i justice divided. Later rulings watered it down a bit

    Trinity Lutheran (2017) was only a very mild modification of state constitutions.

    What stands out is Bob’s unfailing opposition to what Jefferson, Madison and the other Founders did to promote religious liberty through church-state separation.

    Edd Doerr

  89. The state referenda dealt with spending issues.

    Jefferson, Madison, and other Founders you like to quote out of context were not on the ballots.

    The First amendment was not on the ballots.

    What stands out is Edd’s belief he, and he alone, interprets the Constitution.

  90. The First Amendment was itself not n the ballots, but what the voters were doing was deciding a spending issue that had First Amendment implications. Bb is oblivious to the fact that I have cited the Founders IN context. It is Bob who likes to misinterpret the Founders and their intentions. I simply follow the examples of constitutional experts like thr late Leo Pfeffer.

  91. No, Bob. It is all of a piece, accurately described by Elagabalus.

    You, however, are a disgusting piece of sh​it.

  92. More precisely, there isn’t a valid form.

  93. No, Wilson fired at least 15 shots that he shouldn’t have.

  94. No, actually society is sick and tired of lowlife losers like you and Bob propping up and sucking off the ass​hole also known as Donald Trump. Bob Arnzen especially has been doing a lot of sucking work for Trump on his knees.

  95. No, Bob. This is the right meaning: “Kava-naughty”, noun, doing something naughty, denying it, and losing control and screaming when you get called out for it.

  96. No can do. My hingeless doors to God & Jesus’ kingdom come complete with various sliding door hardware kits, including gliders and stays. Therefore, there’s nothing to hinge or unhinge.

  97. For those unfamiliar with Leo Pfeffer, he was born December 25, 1910 in Austria and died June 4, 1993 in Goshen, New York. He was a lawyer and proponent of a separationist theory of church and state.

    He was known for his adherence to ideas of secular humanism.

    His successful cases were in the mainstream of First Amendment constitutional thinking.

    His unsuccessful cases were all the sort of thing Edd thinks is the cat’s meow, but the Supreme Court does not.

  98. Bob insults Prometheus Books. Readers might care to check out their extensive catalog of books.

  99. Leo Pfeffer was for many years a legal adviser for the American Jewish Congress, not a humanist organization. Among his many books was his classic Church, State and Freedom (1965), widely acknowledged by experts in the field as the most authoritative book on the subject. But obviously Bob never read it.

  100. Tell that to Wikipedia:

    “José ‘Zé’ Carioca … is a Disney cartoon character drawn as an anthropomorphic parrot from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (thus ‘Carioca’, a term which refers to a person born there). José was created in 1942 for the movie Saludos Amigos as a friend of Donald Duck, described by Time as ‘a dapper Brazilian parrot, who is as superior to Donald Duck as the Duck was to Mickey Mouse’. He returned in the 1944 film The Three Caballeros along with Donald and a Mexican rooster named Panchito Pistoles. … In April 2007, Disney re-introduced José Carioca (along with the third Caballero, Panchito), in the newly revamped ride at Epcot’s Mexico Pavilion with entirely new animation and a new storyline. It has been dubbed ‘The Gran Fiesta Tour’. After being reunited, The Three Caballeros are set to play a show in Mexico City. But Donald goes missing. José and Panchito must search throughout Mexico for Donald as he takes in various sights around Mexico. The animation was apparently directed by Eric Goldberg. He is now voiced by Rob Paulsen. José can also be seen in the Hong Kong Disneyland version of It’s a Small World, which opened on April 28, 2008, as well as the Disneyland (in California) version of It’s a Small World, installed during major refurbishments between January and November 2008. José and Panchito’s costumes were extinct at the Disneyland Resort by 2011, but were re-Imagineered for Mickey’s Soundsational Parade in May 2011. They now appear with Donald Duck and dancers with a float where Donald is trying to hit a Piñata.”

    Source: Wikipedia, where else – DUH.

  101. I left Pfeffer’s religion out of it as irrelevant, but since you insist:

    While he was raised a Conservative Jew, in a speech made before Freedom From Religion Foundation “the Orthodox consider me to be the worst enemy they’ve had – since Haman in the Purim story!”

    Between 1945 and 1964 he was Legal Adviser of the American Jewish Congress during which he was known for his adherence to ideas of secular humanism, which he elaborated in number of publications.

    After 1964 he also served AJC as special counsel, and did legal work on behalf of other groups, including the Committee for Public Education and Religious Liberty.

    The American Humanist Association awarded him the prize Humanist of the Year in 1988.

    In a speech to the Freedom From Religion Foundation he said: “I believe that complete separation of church and state is one of those miraculous things which can be best for religion and best for the state, and the best for those who are religious and those who are not religious. I believe that the history of the First Amendment and also the Constitution itself, which forbids religious tests for public office, have testified to the healthful endurance of a principle which is the greatest treasure the United States has given the world: the principle of complete separation of church and state. I’m here to tell you that that principle is endangered today.”

    “Church, State and Freedom” argues for his “principle of complete separation of church and state” which the Supreme Court has to this point refused to endorse. This 43-year-old tome is a classic statement of that argument, but it is NOT considered “the most authoritative book” on church-state relations.

  102. The AHA gave Pfeffer the award for his solid work for religious liberty. I was AHA VP at the time, knew Pfeffer well, and never discussed his religious views, always assuming that he was in the Reform Jewish tradition. His 1965 book has long been regarded as a classic by all who value religious freedom, who does not include Bob.

  103. His 1965 book has long been regarded as a classic by people who agree with him and with you.

    Unfortunately for your position that has not included the Supreme Court, who has a much more nuanced take on the First Amendment.

  104. The SCOTUS once agreed with Pfeffer but overconservative justices thumbed their noses at history and the Founders.

  105. I just heard on CNN that Ford has come out and admitted her story was made up. Another one of the accusers has admitted the same.

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