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LGBT people flee Tanzania amid police crackdown

LGBT members and advocates wear masks for anonymity as they stage a rare protest, opposing many African nations’ tough stances against homosexuality, in Nairobi, Kenya, on Feb. 10, 2014. (AP Photo/Ben Curtis)

ISEBANIA, Tanzania (RNS) — As he gulped water and sat tired in the shade of a harsh sun in this northern town of Tanzania, Joseph Omar said he was crossing the border to seek a safe haven in neighboring Kenya after the government began to arrest suspected homosexuals in his country.

“I’m fearing for my life — they don’t want us to stay here,” said Omar, 28. “The gay community is very scared because police are breaking into homes of suspected homosexuals and arresting them. I don’t want to be the next person. I’m going into hiding.”

Omar is among hundreds of gay and transgender people in this East African nation who are increasingly fleeing to neighboring countries after authorities urged the public in October to report the names of suspected homosexuals to police so they can be detained.

In early November, 10 men were arrested on the island of Zanzibar on suspicion of being gay. Police said the public reported a planned gay wedding at a resort hotel at Pongwe Beach on Africa’s east coast.

The arrests and panic within the gay community come days after Paul Makonda, governor of the economic capital Dar es Salaam, formed a police squad to hunt down gay people and urged the public to report suspected homosexuals.

A Tanzanian security official opens a barrier for motorists at Sirari border post in Isebania town, Tanzania, on Aug. 23, 2018. Gay and transgender people in Tanzania have gone into hiding, fearing for their lives after the government began a crackdown on suspected homosexuals. RNS photo by Doreen Ajiambo

“Give me their names,” Makonda, a close ally of President John Magufuli, urged the public during a news conference on Oct. 29. “I have received reports that there are so many homosexuals in our region, and these homosexuals are advertising and selling their services on social media. My ad hoc team will begin to get their hands on them.”

Homosexuality is illegal in Tanzania under a colonial-era law and can be punished by a sentence of up to 30 years’ imprisonment. However, the law is rarely enforced. But anti-gay harassment has increased since Magufuli came to power in 2015, sending hundreds into hiding across the border.

Tanzania’s government has recently shut down civil society organizations and arrested activists who support gay people. In August 2016 authorities ordered the closure of HIV/AIDS outreach projects aimed at helping gay men. U.S.-funded programs providing medical care to the gay community were also banned.

Activists have said religion plays a role in increasing the stigma within the gay community. Evangelicals, the Pentecostal church and other religious groups have an anti-homosexual agenda, they said.

James Wandera, founder of LGBT Voice Tanzania, an organization that openly promotes LGBT rights, said Makonda, the senior government official who ordered the anti-gay crackdown, is a staunch believer in the Word of God. Wandera said there’s no other group in Tanzania trying to support the LGBT community and the situation is getting worse.

“We have no option than to hide until things get better,” he said. “The gay community is living in fear and some have escaped to other countries. But we are ready to defend those who have been arrested by the government.”

Makonda is a Christian. Recently, he attended prayers at a Pentecostal church in Dar es Salaam and wept in prayer asking God to help him in the fight against homosexuality, according to local news reports.

“I have come here to pray so that God gives me divine powers to fight against homosexuality,” Makonda said as he broke down in tears before a large congregation. “I believe in prayers and I know God will answer my prayers as I tackle this issue.”

Wandera dismissed Makonda’s prayers, saying he was planting hate between citizens and the gay community by using religion.

“Makonda has succeeded to make people believe that LGBT people are bad and they can’t live with others,” he said. “He should not use religion or the law to separate citizens because of their sexual orientation and gender identity.”

The tension in the country has prompted the United States and international organizations to censure the East African country for violating human rights and civil liberties.

“The United States government is deeply concerned over escalating attacks and legislative actions by the Government of Tanzania that violate civil liberties and human rights,” the U.S. Department of State said in a statement posted Nov. 9. “We are troubled by the continued arrests and harassment of marginalized persons, including lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people and others who seek to exercise their rights to freedom of speech, association and assembly.”

Omar, who was at Isebania at the border with Kenya, pleaded with the authorities to understand it’s not his wish to be gay.

“I didn’t choose to be gay, and God knows,” he said as he crossed the border to Kenya. “I will go back to my country when the situation calms. I don’t want to die or be jailed.”

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  • This is what happens when anti-gay animus is taken to its ultimate conclusion. Actually, the ultimate conclusion isn’t a jail cell but rather a gas chamber, and it could happen here in this country or anywhere else in the world very easily if people are not vigilant.

  • Tanzania, as one of the 20 poorest countries in the world, could certainly benefit from a better “national obsession” than this one.

  • In cases of bad government which leads to poverty for all but the very few, scapegoats are needed to shift blame away from government and onto despised groups. And guess who’s always at the top of the list?

  • This is sad beyond words. Christians who believe Jesus would never promote this hounding and jailing and even killing of LGBTQI people need to speak up and reclaim the word “Christian” to restore it to a faith of love, trust, inclusion, love of God and love of neighbor. This is not what Jesus would do.

  • The Tanzanian police are a religious organization?

    I have come to the conclusion after reading your stuff for quite some time that the best answer is to reach into the LGBT, primarily G, archives every time you post a comment like that and give a bit of perspective.

    Today’s perspective is Jeffrey Dahmer:

    On June 18, 1978 Dahmer picked up a hitchhiker named Steven Mark Hicks who was four days shy of his 19th birthday. Dahmer lured the youth to his house on the pretext of the two young men drinking alcohol together. Hicks, who had been hitchhiking to a rock concert in Lockwood Corners, agreed to accompany Dahmer to his house.

    According to Dahmer, after several hours’ drinking and listening to music, Hicks “wanted to leave and didn’t want him to.” In response, Dahmer bludgeoned him with a 10 lb. dumbbell. Dahmer later stated he struck Hicks twice from behind with the dumbbell as Hicks sat upon a chair. When Hicks fell unconscious, Dahmer strangled him to death with the bar of the dumbbell, then stripped the clothes from Hicks’ body before masturbating as he stood above the corpse.

    A frequenter of gay bars, bookstores and gay bathhouses, Dahmer engaged in homosexual rape, engaging male prostitutes, and then began killing, eating, and engaging in necrophilia with his 100% male victims.

    Although he is known to have killed 17 young men, experts believe that count is low, and that the total number of depraved murders will never be known.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer

    Homosexual Love again?

  • Apparently the police are enforcing a colonial-era law, although whether that is the Portuguese, British, Belgian, or German colonial area and period is not stated.

    The article states that it is alleged that ” homosexuals are advertising and selling their services on social media”, which may have provoked the crackdown.

    That kind of thing is tolerated in the Bay Area but does not go over well in Africa.

  • For someone who’s supposedly not gay himself, I notice that you’re attracted to every last article on the subject of homosexuality like flies are to a dead animal, Bob.

  • Now we know where the Hallelujahs and the Mormons will want to preach next. Amen and pass the holy peanut butter. Meanwhile, in the real world, real people are dying and suffering because of such intolerance and persecution.

  • Hallelujahs and other holy hypocrites have to have their boogeymen to hate on. It’s not like the “pure love of Jeezus” sells the way that hate, fear and bigotry do.

  • Well, bob, Mark my words: Adolf Hitler was Heterosexual, and look how many people he killed!!!!! And Mao. and Stalin!!!

    But Jose, since you don’t want to read the article, let me do it for you. Ok, Draco?

    “Makonda is a Christian. Recently, he attended prayers at a Pentecostal church in Dar es Salaam and wept in prayer asking God to help him in the fight against homosexuality, according to local news reports.

    “I have come here to pray so that God gives me divine powers to fight against homosexuality,” Makonda said as he broke down in tears before a large congregation. “I believe in prayers and I know God will answer my prayers as I tackle this issue.”

    Makonda gave the orders. The real question is, when SELF PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS act badly, or evilly, or with Malice, in the name of Christianity, in the name of god, in the name of what passes for morality in SOME Christian circles, it has absolutely nothing to do with Christianity.

    But when Jeffrey Dahmer murders 17 strangers, all of the empathy and concern you can manage is “oh my. Dem ickeeee homosexuals.”

    DR, I’ll leave it to others to look at your morals. Or should I becalling you Matt, now? We both know what I mean.

  • History does not seem to record Adolf Hitler personally murdering, nor did he, Mao, or Stalin engage in any sexually motivated killings. Hitler WAS surrounded by a phalanx of homosexuals, some of whom – like Ernst Röhm- he had to dispose of during the “Nacht der langen Messer” (Night of the Long Knives).

    On the other hand:

    Donald Harvey claimed 37 victims in Kentucky;

    John Wayne Gacy raped and killed 33 boys in Chicago;

    Patrick Kearney accounted for 32, cutting his victims into small pieces after sex;

    Bruce Davis molested and killed 27 young men and boys in Illinois;

    A gay sex-murder-torture ring (Corll-Henley-Brooks) sent 27 Texas men and boys to their graves;

    Juan Corona was convicted of murdering 25 migrant workers (he made love to their corpses).

    “Makonda gave the orders.”

    And he is Christian, therefore it must be Christians to blame.

    And Donald Harvey, John Wayne Gacy, Patrick Kearney, Bruce Davis, Juan Corona, and the gay sex-murder-torture ring (Corll-Henley-Brooks) were homosexuals, therefore it must be homosexuals to blame.

    “I’ll leave it to others to look at your morals.”

    As if you were in a position to question anyone else’s morals.

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/joemygod/chatter_away_overnight_open_thread_676/#comment-3946657831

    Like I said, if you’re going to launch anti-religious anti-Christian anti-Catholic hate spiels, it is only fair to provide some counterbalance.

  • Those of us whose vested interests require us to keep abreast of news pertaining to gay people have known about this for quite some time. Thank you for bringing it to the attention of a wider readership. It’s important for Christians to know what’s being done in their name, and it’s also important for Americans of goodwill to know what kind of fear and irrational hatred some so-called evangelicals are spreading in their name. If they knew, they wouldn’t like it.

  • This is a direct result of fundy Christian missionaries and perhaps Islamic influence.

    As for the missionaries…this is where we all wish that they would take the John Chau approach instead…and meet Jesus before meeting any heathens.

  • Make no mistake – Evangelicals in America wish they could hunt down and imprison and ultimately execute every last gay person in America. Since they can’t, they work with other nations to do what they can’t do in America. If Evangelicals truly had their way, there would be a worldwide holocaust of every single gay person. They would do to gay people what Hitler did to the Jewish people. Their raging hatred of gay people knows no depth.

  • There is no counterbalance in this trash. Should we post a list of heterosexual sexual serial killers?

    This is just a poor attempt to distract.

  • Correction – Ben clarified by saying some, not all Christians. You deflect by generalizations. As a Christian, I find the President’s actions abhorrent.

  • “The Tanzanian police are a religious organization?” Utterly ignorant, irelevant question. Sweetie, a Tanzanian governer ordered the crackdown. HE did cite belief in Christian deities as a reason. Pathetic comparison too. Dahlmer was a homosexual who behaved reprehensibly. He didn’t kill in the name of homosexuality or to further gay related causes. The misguided Tanzanian governer is behaving reprehensibly because he wants to please his favourite, albeit vile deity. Yours. He is doing so in the name of Christianity. You reason like a pouting child.

  • They’re all ganging up on you, little boy. Granted you’re an easy target. Wonder why else? It’s because you’re very misguided and very troubled.

  • “Sweetie, a Tanzanian governer ordered the crackdown.”

    Oh no, another member of the LGBT propaganda brigade.

    “please his favourite”

    So, Canadian, British, or other Commonwealther.

    “He is doing so in the name of Christianity.”

    He appears to be doing it in the name of a Tanzanian law that has been on the books for decades.

    Now if he cites a Bible verse in his orders to the police, you won’t appear to be reasoning like a pouting child.

  • What he wrote was:

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/religionnews/lgbt_people_flee_tanzania_amid_police_crackdown/#comment-4226871987

    “Christian Love again, making the lives of gay people as difficult and dangerous as possible.”

    That’s a generalization.

    I provided some contra examples, but did not generalize. Read it.

    What we’re finding out, then, is that some folks can dish out but have a lot of trouble taking it.

    The article clearly states that “Paul Makonda, (IS) governor of the economic capital Dar es Salaam”, not “President”.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Makonda

    Drawing the minority religion of Christianity in Tanzania into it is plain hate speech.

  • Of course there is.

    And, unlike Ben in Oakland, I did not write “Homosexual Love again, making the lives of straight people as difficult and dangerous as possible.”

    It was just Ben’s usual hate speech, and as you’re demonstrating giving it is a lot more fun than taking it.

  • The article is about Tanzania, not America, and about a Tanzanian colonial-era law, not “Evangelicals in America”.

    In Tanzania Christianity is a minority religion.

    I do understand that the LGBT JoeMyGod anti-“christianists” never miss a chance at RNS of strafing Christians and Christianity, even when it’s a stretch like yours.

  • The Tanzanian law dates back to the colonial period according to the article.

    Christianity is a minority religion in Tanzania.

    So the assertion “This is a direct result of fundy Christian missionaries and perhaps Islamic influence.” is absurd on its face, and appears to be a direct result of atheist propaganda and perhaps reading JoeMyGod.

  • **The article states that it is alleged that ” homosexuals are advertising and selling their services on social media”, which may have provoked the crackdown. That kind of thing is tolerated in the Bay Area but does not go over well in Africa.**

    Because every gay man or woman who’s caught up on this advertises and sells their services on social media. Just like every gay man and woman lives in the Bay Area. Way to justify this type of abuse, Mark Connelly.

  • This is not just an Africa problem. Let’s not forget that the Catholic Church is still homophobic as the Pope’s latest pronouncements clearly demonstrate.

  • That’s not hate speech. You obviously don’t know what hate speech is.

    Then again, you’re just randomly littering this comment section with various serial killers. So whatever.

  • “Give me their names,” Makonda, a close ally of President John Magufuli, urged the public during a news conference on Oct. 29. “I have received reports that there are so many homosexuals in our region, and these homosexuals are advertising and selling their services on social media. My ad hoc team will begin to get their hands on them.”

    I don’t know their names but I heard there’s a bunch of naked guys running around on a beach on the North Sentinel Island.

  • “Hundreds” of people are being detained or threatened with being detained for being suspected homosexuals and transgendered. Yes I disagree.

  • You need to learn His voice better. Sin alone, for which Christ died at the commandment of The Heavenly Father brings poverty. Don’t say in your heart that all sin is the same because their is a greater sin of which you obviously are ignorant. There is no such thing as a gay Christian, just a person so deceived they have fulfilled the reward of Romans 1:28. This movement is not strange or new from the beginning of time, neither is the reward of such decisions from a just God. The battle is for the soul. A spirit, once made alive in Christ wars against the desires of the flesh to control the soul. That spirit, once alive in Christ knows the voice of The Heavenly Father and will not follow another voice. Leviticus is still moving through the earth taking names and recordings. The Heavenly Father will not repent for the death of His Son, come down and say “oh your poor child, I know the world has been rough on you and the day of your abuse was bad, so lets just forget about my Sons death and you can go on living contrary to the oracles of heaven”. Nope. Listen closely, for your eternal position rests on this one thing. Repent, turn, and follow Christ. Let Romans chapter 12 wash your mind from the current pattern that you may be able to see and hear, and then make a difference in the lives of the ones you love.

  • God is killing thousands everyday. Where do you get this stuff. Jesus said in Luke 12:5 that you should fear Him who after He has killed the body, also has power to cast into hell. Jesus died for sin. Your life is sin. These people can not stand for their little ones to watch your unnatural sin! Even nature testifies against your lifestyle that it is contrary to the will of God. You neither know His voice (like your friend above) nor yet His will. These people being killed on earth is not the worst thing that happens to the soul of a man and woman, rather the falling into eternal darkness is the horror of the soul! Repent!

  • No need for any scripture to act compassionately toward your fellow creatures. It gets in the way quite often.

  • So, it sounds like…
    You would not hold god to the same standards that you hold humans– he kills and kills and killsd, and it doesn’t bother you. But two people of the same sex– oh my!
    You think gay people are having sex in front of your children.
    You have no objection to people’s children learning about the Only True Faith, which is islam.
    you are happy that gay people are killed.

  • Please keep this up.
    You are doing so much with the younger generation to “Gay Away the Pray!”

  • “You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbor’s eye.” – Matthew 7:5

  • Nope, I’m fine with Him. Its sounds like you put yourself on the same level as Him. When your talking of Him/Jesus/God, have fear and reverence enough to use capitol letters rather than remaining ignorant of Him.

    Isaiah 55:8 says For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways,” declares the LORD.

    I was led to speak here because frankly, I really don’t care. Your typical replys of those who try to hold God in their point of view are heard, recorded, and will quickly reap a harvest from heaven. These are not new words, nor new sayings as is your response.

    Never the less:
    See ya on the last day, at the great judgement.

  • No thanks. I fear no god of men. The men of god, on the other hand…

    I use small letters for a reason. If your version of god can’t handle that…

    I’m sure you think you will be saved. See ya on the next-door Eternal Barbeque.

  • Jeffrey, THANK YOU for your beautiful and truthful post above. Those who read and act will be saved from
    burning in the hell that is coming. You are a true disciple of the Lord.

  • No? Jesus would warn as I have warned.
    Their choice of living is wrong, and that part of the world does not embrace it.
    I do not think you really care about them, or yourself.

    Can you not decern what is and is not wrong? The only hope for all choosing this lifestyle
    is not through telling them they are fine where they are at, but rather letting them know that all of heaven stands
    contrary to them until they repent, be changed, and then really live. Thats true love, the love of heaven, not your
    weak-kneed excuse of trying to accept things in your mind God will in no-wise accept.

    You need to pull up your boot straps, get some sand in your gut an follow the truth.
    That is what Jesus did, and is doing. The Father said I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, and if you read the word like you claim you do you know His finger is pointing at you and your life style. A 5 year old child can understand it.

    The Father loves through Christ and His commandments.

  • This is no log, again, you need to hear His voice.

    I showed you the way out which is why I was led here.
    I will see you at the judgement on the last day also.

  • Of course, this is terrible and unacceptable, but did you notice or care that for some time the Tanzanian government has also been detaining journalists, arresting schoolgirls and killing opposition leaders?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/11/30/why-is-once-peaceful-tanzania-detaining-journalists-arresting-schoolgirls-and-killing-opposition-leaders/

    These actions include legal restrictions criminalizing freedom of expression on social and traditional media, suspensions, fines and banning media outlets, judicial harassment and persecution of journalists and human rights defenders, killings and criminal cases against political opposition members, and harassment, intimidation arbitrary arrest of peaceful protesters.

    https://www.civicus.org/index.php/media-resources/media-releases/open-letters/3163-civil-society-groups-express-concern-over-worrying-human-rights-decline-in-tanzania

    “Since coming to office, Magufuli has banned opposition rallies, stopped live coverage of parliamentary proceedings, and overseen a rise in extrajudicial killings. New laws that have stifled freedoms of expression and restricted online spaces. Scores of people have been charged for writing critical posts on social media. At least one journalist has disappeared following a daylight abduction and another fled the country following threats on his life.”

    And has anyone noticed or cared to notice that important religious leaders are opposing President Magufuli?

    Bishops from the influential Catholic and Evangelical Lutheran churches issued letters heavily critical of Magufuli’s leadership, listing its authoritarian tendencies in restricting the media, opposition and judiciary. “The Lutheran bishops also came out in support of adopting a new constitution to check an imperial presidency…The President and his allies responded, warning the bishops to stay away from politics, but the religious leaders remained resolute.”

    See https://africanarguments.org/2018/08/14/tanzania-tentative-rising-resistance-magufuli-repression/

  • It was hate speech.

    There was nothing in the article to support this gratuitous slur.

    So whatever to you.

  • The article indicates the individuals are being arrested under a law that dates back to the colonial period.

    You can, of course, move to Tanzania, become a citizen, run for office, and try to change the law.

  • The Catholic Church is demonstrably not homophobic. This is from the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

    2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

  • So you are okay with the imprisonment of LGBTQ people for no other reason than being suspected of being gay or trans. Good to know.

  • I assume you acknowledge that Tanzania is a sovereign country which makes and enforces its own laws.

    I also assume that you do not disagree with author who states that the law being enforced dates to the country’s colonial period.

    I take it that you recognize that Christianity is a minority religion in Tanzania, which renders it improbable that Christians are ramming things down the throats of the country’s Muslims and adherents of indigenous – basically animist – religions.

    That makes “the seeming role religion has had with respect to his actions as well” in the same class as Ben in Oakland’s “Christian Love again, making the lives of gay people as difficult and dangerous as possible.” as anti-Christian hate speech disguised as a comment.

    Doreen Ajiambo did add:

    “Makonda is a Christian. Recently, he attended prayers at a Pentecostal church in Dar es Salaam and wept in prayer asking God to help him in the fight against homosexuality, according to local news reports.”

    in an apparent effort to salt the mine in order to sell the article to RNS, but that simply speaks to Makonda’s personal religious practices and not to Christians or Christianity in general.

  • What silliness – now your inventing positions for others to construct arguments you can “win”.

  • I agree.

    The entire anti-Christianist shtick that arises at RNS every time an article like this appear is fake outrage.

    Basically Ben in Oakland hates Catholics, the Catholic Church, the LDS, the Southern Baptist Convention, and every other person and thing which stands in the way of what he wants.

    That’s what “Christian Love again, making the lives of gay people as difficult and dangerous as possible.” means.

  • He changed not one jot or tittle of that entry in the Catechism.

    Of course if you make no distinction between hating those with same sex orientation and pointing out acting on it is not good for either the participants or society, you’d get confused in a real hurry.

    Are you confused?

  • “You would not hold god to the same standards that you hold humans”

    Have you ever tried to arrest a deity?

    You’re becoming the very best argument for the people who oppose your positions.

  • We learn, grow, evolve. That includes how we perceive what God requires of us and what has been a false assumption. Think of slavery. I no longer believe that God limited human sexual experience to only between a man and a woman and only for purposes of procreation. God made all of us, including life that practices sex with other gender and same gender. God did not err in how He made us. We err in deciding that some of His creation is flawed.

  • You are one hyped up Biblical literalist, aren’t you? You are losing the ability to understand the most important commandment Jesus gave us: to love God and to love our neighbor as ourselves.

    I don’t know where you are getting the “your unnatural sin” and “nature testifies against your lifestyle.” I am heterosexual. I no longer believe that human kind has correctly understood God’s intention in creating animal and human life as both heterosexual, homosexual, sometimes trans-sexual, sometimes bi-sexual, some formed with some physical aspects of both sexes or not complete aspects of one sex. God did not make mistakes. He did not condemn those who are different from the majority to live a lonely, loveless life. We do that – we are the ones who judge, condemn, require a loveless life if how someone loves doesn’t “fit” how we think what sexual love should look like. Think about.

  • That “selling their services on social media” does not excuse arresting all gays and inciting hatred and violence against gays.

    I agree that the attacks on LGBTQI people comes from people of many different religious beliefs. But I expect better from Christians, not falling in line with bigotry, hatred, violence, discrimination, … all the ugliness of looking on some with disdain, evaluating the entire worth of a person on how he/she has sex. And, I do blame the Christian Evangelicals and Christians of other stripes who support arresting LGBTQI people, making their life a living hell.

  • Since the actual facts in the article are slim and none, I am not even sure that “arresting all gays and inciting hatred and violence against gays” is what is happening based on this one fuzzy article.

    Since whatever is happening is happening in a country in which Christians of all stripes are a minority, blaming “Christian Evangelicals and Christians of other stripes” seems at best gratuitous, although it does seem to be de rigeur at RNS.

  • Your last sentence is really what Ben said in clarifying with the phrase some Christians – yours a little more generous in phrasing. And clearly the pot is being stirred at certain levels by some individuals and certain churches with an anti-LGBT agenda. BTW 61% of the population are Christian there according to the Pew Research Center – not a minority religion..

    And simply because a law is on the books doesn’t mean it is enforced when there are a multitude of other laws deemed more significant.

  • No, Ben did not “clarify” anything.

    He has stated and restated many times his complete hatred and contempt for Christians, particularly Catholics, except for the minority which see things his way.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tanzania#Religion

    “Official statistics on religion are unavailable because religious surveys were eliminated from government census reports after 1967. Religious leaders and sociologists estimated in 2007 that Muslim and Christian communities were approximately equal in size, each accounting for 30 to 40 percent of the population, with the remainder consisting of practitioners of other faiths, indigenous religions, and people of ‘no religion’.”

  • The Catechism of the Catholic Church is firmly stuck in the early medieval centuries where life was short. The Church needed to grow its membership and so forced procreative roles onto women and men with rigid boundaries and defined duties. In addition and heedlessl that Mary was a close intimate of Jesus and his preferred disciple, the male founders of the Church reserved power for themselves by banning women from the priesthood.

    Men could not act as women with other men, according to this view, because it contradicted both the need to grow new Catholics and the hierarchical power structure.

    Accordingly, same sex relations were and are labeled in the Catechism as “an intrinsic moral evil”. LGBT people are considered to be “objectively disordered”.

    Modern Popes – Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis, have all railed against LGBT people as have all the preceeding Popes.

    Even the modern Church’s choice of the term “homosexual” is pejorative. It was coined in the 1860’s in response to Prussian anti-sodomy law and so from the beginning was associated with illegal condemned behaviour. It mistakenly assumes a sexual binary instead of a continuum or kaleidoscope of sexual orientations.

    Having cast “homosexuality” as an intrinsic moral evil, the Church then tries to avoid having to face the consequences of its own immoral condemnation of same sex attraction by claiming that the person with same sex attractions is different from their same sex acts and should be honored while their acts are condemned. Of course, it this bit of legerdemain would not have been necessary if the Church had not condemned same sex attraction in the first place.

    In order to shore its distinction between the same sex person and their actions, the Church falsely claims that “homosexuality” is a learned behaviour and can be cured.

    The Catholic Church is despicable in its duplicity, self-preservation, and ignorance of all the scientific evidence that shows that there is a wide and varied spectrum to sexual orientation and actions and that none of them are learned behaviours. It fools no one but itself.

  • This is not just an Africa problem. Let’s not forget that the Catholic Church is still homophobic as the Pope’s latest pronouncements clearly demonstrate.

    The Catechism of the Catholic Church is firmly stuck in the early medieval centuries where life was short. The Church needed to grow its membership and so forced procreative roles onto women and men with rigid boundaries and defined duties. In addition and heedlessl that Mary was a close intimate of Jesus and his preferred disciple, the male founders of the Church reserved power for themselves by banning women from the priesthood.

    Men could not act as women with other men, according to this view, because it contradicted both the need to grow new Catholics and the hierarchical power structure.

    Accordingly, same sex relations were and are labeled in the Catechism as “an intrinsic moral evil”. LGBT people are considered to be “objectively disordered”.

    Modern Popes – Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, and Pope Francis, have all railed against LGBT people as have all the preceeding Popes.

    Even the modern Church’s choice of the term “homosexual” is pejorative. It was coined in the 1860’s in response to Prussian anti-sodomy law and so from the beginning was associated with illegal condemned behaviour. It mistakenly assumes a sexual binary instead of a continuum or kaleidoscope of sexual orientations.

    Having cast “homosexuality” as an intrinsic moral evil, the Church then tries to avoid having to face the consequences of its own immoral condemnation of same sex attraction by claiming that the person with same sex attractions is different from their same sex acts and should be honored while their acts are condemned. Of course, it this bit of legerdemain would not have been necessary if the Church had not condemned same sex attraction in the first place.

    In order to shore its distinction between the same sex person and their actions, the Church falsely claims that “homosexuality” is a learned behaviour and can be cured.

    The Catholic Church is despicable in its duplicity, self-preservation, and ignorance of all the scientific evidence that shows that there is a wide and varied spectrum to sexual orientation and actions and that none of them are learned behaviours. It fools no one but itself.

  • The Catechism of the Catholic Church is firmly stuck in the Judeo-Christian view of the sexual faculty based on revelation and the Natural Law.

    Since that view is revealed, it has no choice but to persevere in it..

    While anti-Catholics like yourself claim it is “despicable in its duplicity, self-preservation, and ignorance of all the scientific evidence”, in fact they only fool themselves since most people recognize the self-serving unscientific basis of the LGBT propaganda designed to facilitate naked leapfrog as a lifestyle.

    Have a nice day,

  • “Natural law” is merely one more attempt to force certain views and behaviours on to Catholics and attributing those views to God. If, however, one objectively looked at the nature of human beings and other animals in the natural world, one would see that same sex attractions is a norm.

    God didn’t “reveal” homophobia or condone it.

    The early Jews also needed to build up their population and so condemned same sex behaviours. Of course they also condemned eating fat, eating blood, eating an animal that doesn’t both chew cud and have a divided hoof, eating or even touching seafood that doesn’t have fins or scales, going to church within 33 days of birthing a boy (66 days if a girl), mixing fabrics in clothing, cross-breeding animals (sorry labradoodles), planting different seeds in the same field, trimming your beard, selling land, earning a profit by lending money or selling food at a profit to Israelites, foreigners and strangers.

    As you are so focused on Judaism as an example to follow are you embracing the above prohibitions? Is the Catholic Church promoting them as part of a Judeo-Christian view? Or, are you and the Church merely claiming that because another group was homophobic, Catholics should also be homophobic?

    Incidentally, in Israel same-sex activity is legal, unregistered cohabitation between same-sex couples is recognized as are same-sex marriages, and discrimination against LGBT people is prohibited. If you and the Catholic Church are so enamored with the Judeo view of the world then stop living in the Judeo world of 3,000 ago and step into the 21st century Judeo world.

  • “‘Natural law’ is merely one more attempt to force certain views and behaviours on to Catholics and attributing those views to God.”

    “Behaviours”, eh? Canadian, eh?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law

    Amazing how those non-Catholic pagans and various legal systems, particularly international and maritime law and jurisprudence, attributed “those views to God.”

    Tell us all aboot it.

    Now that it’s clear you’re simply another LGBT bag of wind, do any problem with my simply blocking you?

    After all, you have nothing intelligent say and I have better things to do with time than rebutting you ad infinitum.

    https://help.disqus.com/commenting/user-blocking

  • Being unable to defend or even articulate your homophobia you resort to ad homs and denial – as expected.

  • “The infamous crime against nature, not to be named among Christians.…”

    If Bob/mark/Robert/Jose/Dr/Draco/Matt didn’t have Denial and homophobia, he wouldn’t have anything but ad hominems— and Multiple identities.

    Give him a break.

  • As soon as a read “your homophobia”, I know I’m dealing with a yellow running dog for the LGBT propaganda machine.

  • If Ben “in Oakland” – not to be confused with Ben of the Castro District – didn’t have anti-Catholicism, imaginary rights, and a bad attitude, he wouldn’t have anything but time to worry about identities rather reality.

  • She did the right thing, and she certainly earned the right to make such an attempt. At a time when American Christians — even state-level politicians — were discouraged, giving up and bending over for Gay Goliath, a nobody called Kim Davis showed everybody how to stand up and fight back.

    But you can only encourage other folks to vote the right way — you can’t actually get their ballot boxes and vote for them.

  • Hmm. Near the end of the article, somebody named Omar says it’s not his wish to be gay. Which raises the question: If Omar doesn’t wanna be gay, why doesn’t Omar make a conscious choice to repent of his Gay-Self-Identity, repent of Homosexual Behavior, and place his trust and faith in Jesus Christ the Savior, Healer, and Ruler instead (1 Cor. 6:9-11)? Why not get forgiveness & cleansing?

    The arerticle gives little information there. If Omar’s quotation is sincere, then he may not have initially experienced same-sex attraction as a conscious choice. But what you DO with “those feelings” is most certainly a choice, and the choices you make will either starve OR feed “those feelings.” You can agree with the Bible, and see such feelings as just one more temptation that is “common to humanity” (1 Cor. 10:13. Or you can accept the popular lie that it’s some sort of scientific-sounding “orientation”.

    The term “Sexual Orientation” is a key part of Gay Goliath’s sales-pitch of “Once Gay, Always Gay.” Goliath does NOT want slaves escaping his plantation, so he wants wording that makes it sound like your temptation forever defines YOU. But it doesn’t.

  • I am a traditional Christian who thinks this is terrible. Many of these poor hounded people are sensitive souls who merely have a different orientation of their hearts. There are many acts of the flesh that are not ok in traditional Christianity, but in Africa, lets not forget that if those acts were part of the AIDS epidemic, they were largely accomplished by adulterous heterosexuals. Please defend traditional Christianity without jailing and torturing these divergent HUMAN BEINGS. Help them to live chastely somehow, while accepting that we aren’t all oriented the same way. And to the left, please stop persecuting traditional Christians who just want to carry on in peace. We are not out to get you. Many of us have you in our heart. But please stop suing mom and pop cake baker too. It is all violence. All people are HUMAN BEINGS.

  • I am a traditional Christian, and this is terrible. These are HUMAN BEINGS, who are likely sensitive souls with divergent attachments. The church is to be a hospital for souls, helping us to overcome our passions, not a police force. There are many acts of the flesh that we do not accept, and many are readily engaged by heterosexuals without any repercussion. Yet, according to traditional teaching, we will have to answer for those. And in scripture our Lord tells us that He will not know us if we have been neglectful of our neighbor.

    What we witness is the tragedy of conflict entrepreneurship, in which each side has some legitimate concerns that are then overtaken by militant agendas with big bank accounts and connections. The left organizations attack with hate labels overapplied to plain Christians, who then flock to organizations to protect them from anticipated persecution. The right organizations make the same errors of conflating being and doing, failing to recognize a deeper difference of being in the person and address that. So, that side then fears a return to bad old days and floods the coffers of their organizations. The answer is for people to just follow Christ and make relationships in peace. Recognize we are all HUMAN and stop vilifying and dehumanizing on all sides. If a traditional Church has a problem with particular behavior, fine. What about helping the person in community love without condemnation of their BEING, which does have some differences. And could some of those differences also be gifts? And could they be an asset to the community by some creative way?

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