Karen Pence is interviewed at the vice president's residence, the Naval Observatory, in Washington, on Sept. 10, 2018. Pence taught art in a Washington suburb from 2001 to 2013. (AP Photo/Carolyn Kaster)

Why freaking out about Christian schools proves evangelicals' irrational fears

(RNS) — Everyone needs to stop freaking out about Christian schools.

Though they made headlines in the past few weeks thanks to Karen Pence, wife of Vice President Mike Pence, these institutions are not nearly as interesting and exotic as the mainstream media supposes.

Neither should they be controversial.

Some people want a religious education for their children. The ones who can afford it will have it. Beyond that, most of what you’ve heard is bluster, and neither the subjects of news stories nor readers are better off for the brouhaha.

Karen Pence taught art at Immanuel Christian School in a Virginia suburb of Washington while her husband represented Indiana in the U.S. House of Representatives from 2001 to 2013.

When she returned to the school to take a part-time job a few weeks ago, The New York Times announced the move with a headline that read, “Karen Pence Is Teaching at Christian School that Bars L.G.B.T. Students and Teachers.”

A spate of articles and commentary followed, portraying the school and its constituents as alternatively alien and sinister, a mostly hidden but very dark force that journalists and activists would have to expose.

The truth, as anyone with even basic religious and cultural literacy knows, is that these types of private evangelical Protestant schools gather around faith commitments that include, among beliefs about God, Jesus, the Bible, etc., the view that marriage is between a man and a woman and that sexual relations outside such unions are sinful.

This belief may not poll well in elite media newsrooms. But if reporters or columnists find this shocking, I would respectfully submit that they need to get out more.

The story about Karen Pence was engulfed by a much larger story involving an encounter between some students from Covington Catholic High School and a group of protesters at the Lincoln Memorial. The Catholic boys were on a school trip to attend the March for Life.

A video of Covington Catholic High School student Nick Sandmann, left, and Native American activist Nathan Phillips went viral after their encounter in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 18, 2019. Screenshot via YouTube

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As is well known, some of the students acted disrespectfully and became poster boys for white privilege, after which a PR firm intervened and led them and the school on an image rehabilitation tour.

Reporters descended on Covington to figure out just what kind of place this was. Other journalists solicited stories from people who attended Christian schools, and the hash tag #ExposeChristianSchools exploded across social media.

There are, to be sure, valid criticisms to be made of Christian schools.

Many of them were established in the 1960s and 1970s in response to cultural changes that included racial integration of public schools. Though you won't find many that concede an explicitly racist founding, they are hardly vanguards of racial justice.

Christian schools do tend to fixate on policing gay sexual infractions more than straight ones. But in policy and (mostly) in practice, their view is that young people should exercise discipline and sublimate their urges because sex outside of marriage is a sin.

The difference, of course, is that straight students will presumably have a legitimate outlet (marriage), while gay people have to be celibate in order to be faithful. Many Christians of other stripes disagree, of course. And a great debate exists about whether Christian prohibition of nonmarital sex imposes a cruel or harmful burden on gay Christians who wish to abide by a traditional sexual ethic.

My own criticism is that these evangelical schools claim the adjective “Christian” in a way that deceptively implies that anyone who does not share their views is, in fact, not a Christian. This is familiar evangelical sleight of hand, most recently codified in a 2017 document called the Nashville Statement, which declared that Christians who affirm same-sex relationships and transgender identity are actually not Christians at all.

What the Nashville Statement and some journalists miss is that there is great diversity among Christians.

Article 10 of the Nashville Statement. Screenshot

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Christian schools, too, vary widely. Though smaller in number, most liberal Protestant schools accept and affirm LGBT people as part of their mission. The Roman Catholic Church, by contrast, operates more than 6,400 schools that share, at least officially, Karen Pence’s employer’s sexual traditionalism.

So do many schools run by and for Orthodox Jews and Muslims, but we don’t see breathless articles in the media about how they should be shamed, shunned or hounded out of existence. Objectionable moral views are disdained by the elite chiefly when held by white evangelicals.

A poignant but sad proof of the imperative to single out evangelicals for scorn came after the stories broke about Karen Pence's ties to Immanuel Christian School. The Sheridan School, an elite private school in northwest Washington, D.C., responded by announcing that it would not compete against Immanuel Christian in athletics.

The letter from the Sheridan School's headmistress to the school community is stunning in its self-congratulation, bad faith and ignorance. After learning about Karen Pence’s new job, it relates, the Sheridan athletes first considered wearing rainbow socks and warmup jerseys to away games at Immanuel. But Immanuel was deemed an “unsafe” environment, as the coddled children of the Washington elite should not endure playing basketball with evangelical kids, and Sheridan decided to cancel all athletic competitions against Immanuel.

The Sheridan School's decision unwittingly gave the evangelicals, already primed to think of themselves as persecuted, a feather in their cap.

They recall the words of Jesus, who warned that they would face revulsion, saying, “Rejoice, and be exceedingly glad, for great is your reward in heaven.”

Journalists and "woke" elites' grandstanding overreaction will look silly in retrospect. Worse, it will be difficult for people with different religious beliefs to coexist in the public square if we cannot even let our kids play basketball together. Teach your children well.

The Sheridan School sports teams may forfeit a ballgame. But unless we treat our neighbors who believe differently with grace and tolerance, we risk forfeiting our heritage and future as a pluralistic society.


  1. Nothing wrong with private schools choosing to be discriminatory and hateful. They are there to cater to a given customer base which apparently like that garbage.

    Where things get dicey is where they start putting their hand out for government subsidy and endorsement. They can do whatever they want as long as they do it on their own dime. They do not need taxpayer support nor deserve it. It is always a wrong for people to pay for their own discrimination.

    There are no surprises that the wife of a bible thumping anti-gay bigot of a VP works at a school which shares her prejudices. It certainly doesn’t do anything worse to Mike Pence’s reputation than he has already done in the past.

  2. The evangelicals have elected their man as President. If they are still paranoid, which they are, then they have a real problem. Being paranoids, the evangelicals will of course blame their paranoia on others. After all, in the beginning there was a talking snake.

  3. A part of Sheridan School’s athletic statement.

    “The program allows students to further explore their sports of interest while teaching them life lessons along the way. The structure of the program promotes independence, resiliency, teamwork, sportsmanship, accountability, and, most important…fun!”

    Nothing teaches inclusion and sportsmanship like we’re taking the ball and going home.

    Pretty fair article.

  4. In most public schools today it is forbidden to pray, bring a Bible, or even have a discussion about religion in school. I think parents should have the right to send their students to schools where that is acceptable, and even encouraged. Is society trying to say that it is okay to be gay, but not okay to be a Christian? The LGBT people can come out of the closet and the Christians go into closet? So I support private religious schools of all faiths as an American right.

  5. Vlad: hey Orange1 we teach this Gunnels good at Research Academy yes? He so good at twisting and make fake diversions yes. And he insult LGBT good just like you haha. Maybe he is a pssy grabber too just like you except he in closet.

    Donald TRump: yeah Pootie Baby, these peons are useful peasants for new Russiamerica. Now I got BIG problems. I got no money to build big wall and now I so scared of strong Nancy Pelosi. She WHUPPED my ass in my shutdown and now I also got big MEAN Mueller on my tail too and he already got Stoned Roger in jail. Now I need escape to Moscow. You can save me and I put my small hands on your big bare chest again.That would be TERRIFIC and AWESOME.

  6. Wrong. Praying is always permitted by students and around test times is actively encouraged. What is forbidden is for teachers to lead such prayers.

    Because it is offensive to our laws and free society for government officials to engage in coercive religious activities in their official capacity.

    Why do Christians like yourself have to lie so obviously in support of your positions?

  7. Evangelicals assumed that getting their man in the White House would earn them some level of respect among the larger population.

    It hasn’t and it won’t. If anything, electing Trump has ruined their image for generations. Their Faustian bargain is blowing up in their faces.

  8. “Objectionable moral views are disdained by the elite chiefly when held by white evangelicals.”

    The difference is that white, conservative evangelicals hold a *lot* more power and have demonstrated that they want a *lot* more. They are interested in hounding gays out of existence, just as they want to do the same to Muslims. The public schools have been burdened with their nonsense since Scopes. They believe this is a Christian country (not just by population but also by divine decree) and their Christians should make the rules.

    Muslims and Jews are not writing legislation that would make abortion any time after conception into a capital crime.

    The Muslims and Jews are not re-interpreting our laws, constitution, and history to justify Christian privilege.

    White, Christian evangelicals deserve every bit of disdain they receive.

  9. Actually they are there to provide a choice, an alternative to the garbage which the public schools have and are becoming.

    Since you’re a pro-choice sort of girl, you should be all for them.

  10. You should be an expert on paranoia.

    You find at least one plot a week.

  11. First explain why you consistently lie in support of your positions.

    Examples will be provided upon request.

  12. All this trouble because Evangelicals refuse to treat others the way they want to be treated. If Evangelicals would treat LGBT people the way they want to be treated, all of our lives would be a lot better. When you denigrate, dehumanize and mistreat others, as Evangelicals do to LGBT people, other people don’t like that and they are gonna dish it right back to you. Decency begets decency. Mistreatment begets mistreatment. It’s that simple.

  13. So, if evangelicals would endorse LGBT behavior, you’d be a happy camper?

    Since there are more them than they are of you, wouldn’t be easier for you to change to suit them?

    And what are we going to do about kleptomaniacs?

    They’re treated despicably if they act on their inclinations.

  14. For the most part evangelicals are not looked down upon except in the left of center, atheist, and LGBT fora, the total of which amounts to not much of anything.

  15. Why is it when someone doesn’t agree with you there labeled a bigot or hater. Can’t someone disagree with you with out hating you. What happen to freedom in america . Christian school have been this way for years why Shouldn’t christian teach what the bible Says if they don’t then it is not christian . being Tolerant means to disagree with out hating someone .but now if you dont agree with them and you defend them then your intolerant. Last time i looked you don’t have the right not to be Defended. christian have a choice to make follow the world or God . I choose God even if it defends the world

  16. Re: “In most public schools today it is forbidden to pray, bring a Bible, or even have a discussion about religion in school.” 

    This is absolutely, totally, completely, 100% not true. 

    There is, in fact, a lot of prayer in schools: “Dear God, please help me pass this algebra test!” Kids can, and do, bring Bibles into schools. They can, and do, talk about religion among each other. 

    Happens all the time. In pretty much every school in the country. 

    Re: “I think parents should have the right to send their students to schools where that is acceptable, and even encouraged.” 

    They can, and some do. They’re called “parochial schools.” Perhaps you’ve heard of them? But that right doesn’t have anything to do with a compulsion to oppress gays. At least, there’s no connection I’m aware of. 

    Re: “Is society trying to say that it is okay to be gay, but not okay to be a Christian?” 

    What right does anyone have, to say whether someone else should be gay or not? Why is it such a problem? The hatred some Christians have for gays is incomprehensible, not to mention irrational and childish. 

    Re: “The LGBT people can come out of the closet and the Christians go into closet?” 

    Why not let everyone “come out of the closet”? Why is that some Christians need all gays to stay in their closets, or else they’ll retreat to their own, because they can’t or won’t handle gays’ existence? 

    Re: “So I support private religious schools of all faiths as an American right.” 

    You seem to think that your ability to have your own schools hinges on gays staying out of sight and out of mind. What is it about them, exactly, that’s got you so worked up? Are you incapable of following the adage, “Live and let live”? Why is it an all-or-nothing proposition, for you? Either the gays go away, or you’re being persecuted for Jesus? Is that how it works? Just wondering. 

  17. OF COURSE it is okay to be a Christian—–in any school. A Christian kid is one who does right, plays fair, follows direction, cares about others, stays out of trouble, disses no one, and generally is a pleasant experience for both teachers and other students. There are lots of them. They stand out. They lift up others. They always look like they know what The Golden Rule is. What is not okay is insisting on Bible-based falsehoods or banging people over the head with religion-rooted hassles. (Hint: Anti-gay obsession is a religion-rooted hassle.)

  18. We should not be mad at Christian Schools, but we should not open avenues for them to receive public-source money unless there are WIDE-ranging strings attached with respect to what is taught. If any of them are teaching that the whole Bible is the “Word of God, Inerrant” then they should be off the list for “school choice” that has government financial assistance, in “scholarships” or anything else. We must (must) demand that what amounts to a form of public education not be founded on fibs. This is not significantly different from our concerns about madrassas in middle eastern countries where the Muhammadan falsehoods overshadow and disastrously taint children’s world view of everything else.

  19. You’re free to believe that but the simple fact is that those that aren’t running away want Evangelicals to focus on actual biblical stuff instead of turd polishing for their Marmalade Messiah.

    Young people want no part of the political donnybrook that people like Franklin and Falwell are dragging their religion into.

  20. Have you noticed that your replies are devoid of substance? Hmmm. What lesson might you learn from that?

  21. Hey, it was Sheridan School — YOUR side — that freaked out (more accurately, snowflaked out).

    Wasn’t Immanuel School at all. Jacob Lupfer is trying to get YOUR side back in the game.

  22. The perfect poster for today’s confused liberalism. Especially the religious liberals.

  23. This is probably a good place to bring up the Nashville Statement that Lupfer mentioned. Gay Goliath is flat-out scared of the Nashville Statement, folks. Why? Because it explains in easy, brief soundbites what Bible-accepting, Bible-believing Christians believe on this difficult topic.

    No haters, no bullies, no phobias, but also no PC-Police or liberal horse-effluence. You get plenty of love and kindness, but plenty of honesty and accuracy at the same time, which was how Jesus did things. So If you want some caring Bible truths, but don’t have time for a big technical book, check out the Nashville Statement for yourself. (Just scroll down a little and click on each Roman numeral, or just use the arrows, like with Lupfer’s example).


  24. Private religious schools? No problem. Public religious schools? Different issue.

    For the few Google-challenged faithful who think kids can’t pray in school, here’s a handy dandy reference from a Christian source (Alliance Defending Freedom) with the scoop: Student’s Rights. The language is a bit on the breathless side, but it’s accurate.

  25. As I thought it would be – another dodge.

    You’re apparently unable – like a lot of conservative religionists – to separate opinion from fact, to use evidence to challenge incorrect, misleading, or incorrectly used information. To cover this basic inability to handle evidence, you resort to a collection basic evasions.

    1) Throw a mass of information my way and say, “See!” No, that doesn’t work. If you want to call someone a liar, you need to point to a specific bit of information and challenge it with proof that it is incorrect and was used with intent to deceive.

    2) Resort to false analogy. “And what are we going to do about kleptomaniacs?”

    3) Ridicule used without informational backup.

    4) Assertion without reference to anything specific, anything that can be fact-checked.

    The key component is that in none of these cases is evidence being presented. It is *merely* your opinion. Don’t you see that everyone else is referring to specific events, specific facts? If they are wrong, they are possible attack points – if you have better information. This is the essence of debate.

  26. One hundred and eighty one words to say essentially nothing beyond your assessment.

    I went through the last two years of your posts and found nothing but assessments.

    And you’re complaining about MY posts?

    Try this one:




    Run along.

  27. Well, I’m impressed! Yes, this is a rare exchange in which I’ve engaged in pure ridicule. Unfortunately, you’ve taken a single exchange out of a much longer conversation in which I provided a heavy dose of scientific findings that he was simply not interested in addressing. This was the final exchange. At this point, I’d given up having a discussion with him.

    I might point out that you must have worked hard to find this example. There were a lot of exchanges with several people in the paper. I note that instead of doing a dump of all my comments, as you did with Spuddie, you chose to use just this one.

    That’s misleading.

    But yes, there was a significant lesson to be learned. He was simply not interested in the truth. He was peddling defective doctrine – much as you are – and the truth of the matter was not relevant to him. The only point of the discussion was to show readers how empty and deceitful his position was. I’ve since seen this same attitude in virtually all of the conservative religionists that I’ve had discussions with. It’s a consistent display of the new, post-truth reality. Truth doesn’t matter. Discussion with the idea of resolving differences or finding the points where we must agree to disagree, are pointless.

    Don’t like it that all of science supports evolution? “But look! Here’s scientific creationism! It has the same words so it must be equivalent!” Science coming out on the wrong side of sexuality? “Hey, let’s manufacture our own, then we can say our objections are scientific and not just religious bigotry!”

    Is this really the way you want to be known?

  28. Private schools are theologically troubling. Choosing who our children will see as their neighbor by surrounding them with other like minded (and mostly white) kids, then they may never learn to love people different from themselves.

  29. You’re really going to take offense that Michael Voris has a terrible wig?

    Quite a lot of pearl clutching you got going there.

  30. The Nashville Statement isn’t worth the electrons it takes up. It is biologically incoherent and fails to recognize the existence of intersex persons. It attempts to codify anti-LGBTQ beliefs as a prinary article of faith. And behind it are the same men who thing equality in marriage is a bad thing. I could spend hours ripping the Nashville Statement to shreds, but, frankly, I’d rather play solitaire on my phone.

  31. Because there’s something to be said about people who want permission to teach children to hate and despise a minority group. The “Christian” segregation academies of the deep South of my youth have turned into the anti-LGBTQ “Christian” schools of the 2010s. Both are despicable.

  32. I wonder if her school uses those eyebrow raising, condescendingly racist, historically revisionist, scientifically dubious textbooks by Abeka, Bob Jones University Press and the like.

  33. …because discriminating against minority children and their parents is what bigots do?

  34. Good thing it’s labeled “opinion.” There’s a clear bias here and it doesn’t serve the most vulnerable in our society – our children. My children attended three Christian schools in our city and experienced terrible bullying which was ignored by teachers and staff.

    My daughter dropped out and finished at a public university because it was too traumatic to continue. My son finally did homeschooling for a year in grade 9 because he was too depressed and suicidal from the bullying to go to another school right away. He went to a public high school in grade 10, and was SO happy there. He said people finally didn’t care what you looked like, what you wore, what church you went to, whether you played sports… No one would call him names or torment him any more.

    So the #exposechristianschools movement is long overdue. Now you have my opinion.

  35. Christian have right to teach there kids the bible and it teachings it call freedom of Religion . If you don’t want your kids ro be teach that then send them to Public school you have that right . But it not hate to Say I don’t agree with what you’re doing nor do i support it .

  36. It not permission it a right . It same religious right our founding father believe in . I have the right to say homosexual is a sin and that i will not support in anyway . That doesn’t mean that I’m going to have hatred toward that person because he or her is a homosexual what does mean is that i will not Accept his or her sexual Inmorality as something good

  37. Both are protected by the First Amendment.

    In general Christianity does not endorse LGBT-etc physical congress and activity.

    The same rights which allow them to take their positions allows you to call them “anti-LGBTQ ‘Christian'”.

  38. Or in your case calling people with religious beliefs “bigots”.

  39. Why, would you stop writing checks to support it?

  40. Sounds like you did a lousy selection and interfacing job with the schools.

  41. We should respect the Constitution when it comes to “strings attached with respect to what is taught”.

    For example for the government to decide that “teaching that the whole Bible is the ‘Word of God, Inerrant'” is a disqualifier for funds is prima facie unconstitutional.

    The government lacks both the expertise and the authority to decide whether or not the Bible is the Word of God, inerrant.

  42. Hint: anti-anti-gay anti-religious obsession is an indication of some serious perceptual problems.

  43. Your obsession with the notion that Christians “oppress gays” is rather pathological.

  44. I took no offense.

    I simply pointed out you have a track record of non-substantive trolling and being an annoying git.

  45. It had no reason to recognize “intersex persons”.

    A bona-fide intersex person suffers from a medical condition, which is not a moral issue.

    Most of the world’s Christians, along with Orthodox Judaism and Islam, already have codified beliefs which you would characterize as “anti-LGBT”.

    Go play solitaire.

  46. Its good to teach children the faith. It isn’t good to do so through what is effectively economic and racial segregation.

  47. If racial segregation is part of a faith, just as religious and sexual segregation is part of an Orthodox Jew’s faith, sure it is.

    Everyone lives with economic separation.

  48. Racial segregation is not a part of any faith I am aware of, and would not be a justifiable practice for a school in the US system if practiced openly. As it is, Christian schools espouse a stance against racism while accidentally ending up with strong white majorities, even in majority African American communities.

    Everyone lives with economic segregation up to a point. Public schools are one of the last places where people of different economic backgrounds are forced to come together. It is not perfect (my own school system in South Carolina is accused of never truly desegregating) but private schools have aggravated the segregation.

  49. No one said you had to like it.

    However, it is completely legal and therefore “justifiable” as a matter of law.

  50. Hey, I’m old enough to remember the Bible Belt during the last gasp of Jim Crow, when white evangelical terrorists had turned Birmingham, Alabama into “Bombingham.”

  51. If it isn’t good and an outcry forms against it, then it can be changed. Being allowed for now does not end the argument on whether or not it should continue.

  52. So what do you plan to substitute for the First Amendment we have now?

  53. Do you happen to have an actual count of the number of bombings and the number of perpetrators?

    No, your particular bigotry is against people with religious beliefs, and “Bombingham” is simply your excuse.

  54. The First Amendment does not require the State or Federal government to accredit schools that fail to serve the public interests in accord with the Civil Rights Act, or even in its spirit.

  55. The First Amendment means that a State or Federal government cannot bypass the right of a religion to hold beliefs that acting on – were they NOT a religion – would be banned by the Civil Rights Act.

    An accreditation scheme would be just that sort of unconstitutional subterfuge.

  56. Denying accreditation is not the same as bypassing beliefs. People can believe what they want, but the government does not have to recognize it and promote it.

    Its the difference between being allowed to construct a building to code as opposed to demanding the government allow exceptions. It isn’t about freedom at that point.

  57. If the government chooses not to accredit it, it is taking a position that this particular religious belief is unacceptable.

    That is a prima facie violation of the First Amendment, which prohibits the government from endorsing or proscribing religious beliefs.

  58. If the government chooses not to accredit it, it is taking the position that this particular religious belief is unacceptable to serve in the public role of education, yes.

    Being a school isn’t just a function freedom, but of being deputized by the state for the common good. Schools receive accreditation for proving they will play within the law. If not, then parents are still free to send their children there… just not in place of an actual school.

  59. You are making an egregious error.

    Every person has the right to teach her or his own child.

    It is the state that has been deputized by the parents, not the other way around.

    The only particular religious belief that a religion can take that the state could declare unacceptable MIGHT be advocating the violent overthrow of the government, and even then the state would more likely walk around the issue of religious belief altogether and go after actions taken by believers thanks to the clarity of the First Amendment.

    As long as the school meets the normal safety and educational requirements of the state, such a scheme as you propose could not pass constitutional muster.

  60. You misunderstand compulsory education in the US. A parent can teach their child, yes, but only if they fulfill certain curriculum under state law. What they teach beyond that is up to them.

    But schools are expected to serve the public. They are not empowered to discriminate based upon race or any other protected class.

  61. A state may specify subjects, the number of hours per year, the qualifications of teachers, certain subject content.

    The state may not curb religious instruction – First Amendment.

    If the school is private, it may restrict attendance by race, creed, sex, or pretty much anything it wishes.

  62. Racial discrimination isn’t just religious instruction, it is also discrimination – 14th Amendment.

    If the school is private it is still subject to the same accreditation and public accommodation requirements. They can charge people for attendance, but they have no more power to turn down paying customers than a restaurant refusing black customers.

  63. You cannot forbid what you believe to be discrimination in religion – First Amendment.

    No, private schools are not engaged in interstate commerce and therefore are not covered by the Civil Right Act.

    The only nexus the government can use is if they accept public funding, and then only as long as they do not infringe on religious beliefs.

  64. Religious freedom is not an unlimited right, and does not include access to being a provider of public service.

    The Civil Rights Act applies to the states. The Supreme Court ruled on that long ago. A state cannot formulate its laws to allow discrimination by a public service provider.

    Public funding is a carrot in the arsenal, but the stick applies regardless.

  65. “Religious freedom is not an unlimited right, and does not include access to being a provider of public service.”

    You’ve already determined these are private schools, not public services.

    That’s why the Civil Rights Act does not apply.

    They are not public services, they are private.

  66. Education is a public service. Even if provided through private entities, that doesn’t change.

    Their ability to operate functions under State law. If they were allowed to discriminate under state law while providing a public service, it does violate the 14th amendment and Civil Rights Act.

    It is the same as a private hospital not being able to turn people down, or a private restaurant.

  67. “Regardless of federal funding, the U.S. Supreme Court held that another civil rights law known as Section 1981 (which prohibits racial discrimination in “making and enforcing contracts”) prohibits all private, nonsectarian schools from denying admission to students based on their race, because the restriction interferes with their parents’ ability to contract for educational services (Runyon v. McCrary, 427 U.S. 160 (1976)). Even when a private school’s race-based admissions policy was intended to be remedial by giving preference to native Hawaiians, a federal appellate court held that section 1981 barred the policy (Doe v. Hamehameha Schools, 416 F.3d 1025 (9th Cir. 2005)).
    Also, private schools—including religious schools—can’t qualify as tax-exempt organizations if they have racially discriminatory admission standards (Bob Jones University v. United States, 461 U.S. 574 (1983)).”

  68. You will be happier if you just block Mark. He is a serial stalker in the comment section.

  69. “As is well known, some of the students acted disrespectfully and became poster boys for white privilege, after which a PR firm intervened and led them and the school on an image rehabilitation tour.”

    Stopped reading after that. Are you on prescription pain killers or something? Maybe you are blind and thus can’t see the full video footage?

  70. Yea I’m sure the devout Muslim schools are just A-OK with homosexuality. That is why they are called private schools. They are allowed to teach religion. And some religions call homosexuality a sin. The Christian ones. Some religions punish homosexuality by death. The ones you never write about here for some reason

  71. Connelly you are proving once again your ability to discern fact from fiction is missing. Public schools are the corner stone of a democratic society and without them we would be living in a dictatorship, most likely a theocracy. But then that is most likely your intent as it is certainly the goal of the evangelicals/calvinists who constantly attack the core values of our democratic republic.

  72. If one bothers to look, the overwhelming majority of evangelical/calvinist/fundie madrassas were established post Brown V Board of Education. Schools associated with mainstream orthodox Christian churches such as the Roman, Episcopal, Lutheran, Methodist, Presbyterian, etc were in place long before 1954. It then becomes quite clear the post 1954 radical thought police schools were established to further racism and other forms of bigotry.

  73. There were apparently around 50 or so dynamite bombings between the end of WW II and 1965 in Birmingham. The most infamous, which shocked people around the world, being the 16th Street Baptist Church bombing in Sept. 1963, which killed four girls.

    One neighborhood, the Smithfield district, I think, was bombed so much it was called “Dynamite Hill.”

    If memory serves, the Black residents were not non-violent protesters about it. The story I heard was that a sympathetic and rather brave white, or who could pass for “white,” man infiltrated the white evangelical terrorists of the KKK and sent word back to the neighborhood of what bombings were being planned, after which armed men would lay in wait.

    That slowed the rate of bombings down in the neighborhood, until the success of 1963 Birmingham Campaign touched off another wave of bombings.

  74. Why on earth would I ever voluntarily financially support such a school?

  75. Mark Connelly, thank you for your (mostly) polite responses and clarification/defense of Christianity. A sin is a sin and no matter how much public acceptance there is, or the number of laws that makes it legal in man’s eyes, a sin will still be a sin and people will still feel guilty and unsettled when they continue sinning (abortion, immoral sexual activity, etc). When natural law (God’s law) is broken, guilt follows. A person can distract themselves with addictions galore to cover up the guilt feelings, they can harden their hearts, but in the end it will catch up with them and they have two paths to choose at that point: Life (in and through Jesus) or death, for all eternity. No small thing, eternity. Einstein proved that energy couldn’t be destroyed. Einstein believed in God. Jesus is the answer for the hole in a person’s soul. No amount of pleasure, power, or possessions can fill it. Go ahead, unbelievers. Keep trying. You will never fill that hole in your soul or know peace. Here’s hoping your eyes and ears are opened and you see past Satan’s deceit if you haven’t been transformed yet. God is real. Hell is real. Eternity is real. Study the Word of God people, don’t just believe the blow hard demon possessed anti-Christs that troll the Internet. Think people, think…. for yourselves!

  76. The most vulnerable are the babies who are left to die on porcelain plates in NY state as the result of their new pro abortion law. I find it hard to believe that the teachers at three different schools were deaf to complaints of bullying, but unfortunately it is believable. We are all sinners. Christians are not saints, and many that call themselves Christian are not. My son, and a number of his classmates, were shamed by his teacher as a method of manipulative punishment in a charter school. She drove the girls to tears, using embarrassment as a cruel tool to control behavior. I reported her, but her behavior went unchanged. Bullying by the kids occurred, too. We are much happier at our Christian school. I’m happy you were able to protect your children. All of us parents have to keep an eye out and pay attention. Evil lurks everywhere, and loves to hide in Christian venues. Where best for Satan to do his work? Hiding behind the veil of the word ‘Christian’. Beware the anti-Christs and false prophets dressed in sheeps clothing!

  77. We still have lunatics around.

    The only conclusion it supports is that a certain number of humans are lunatics.

  78. You’re the troll, Stan.

    And you knew that before I told you.

  79. Your purposeful ignorance is on display for all to see.

  80. Stan you are proving once again your ability to discern fact from
    fiction is missing.

    Public schools are relative latecomers to the American scene.

    Using them to control the next generation’s views by what amounts to little more than gussied up brainwashing is the aim of the atheist/humanist left wing.

  81. They weren’t lunatics, they were terrorists in terrorist organizations, and they were protected by the police and state and local legal systems.

  82. Sorry if I didn’t get the joke. I’m sure that it was a knee slapper.

  83. Lupfer is right, of course, Christians that adopt modern secular sexual mores don’t cease to be Christian, they become heretics.

  84. It is hard to get the joke if you are the joke.

  85. That’s why they were apprehended, tried, and convicted.

    That was then, this is now, and you really don’t have a relevant point on the issue of your hatred of those with religious beliefs.

  86. Perhaps instead of endorsing LGBT people, they could just shut up.

    If they don’t endorse it, then they don’t have to be gay.

  87. Were they? Maybe decades later, for the very most infamous.

  88. Maybe you should shut up and face the fact that people have the right to create a society in which they want to live.

  89. So find an Amish community and knock yourself out.

    We don’t have to listen to your drivel when it comes to how we want to live our lives.

  90. What disturbs me most aboyt Christian schools is the way they too often teach a false “sciebce” and a hostility to real science, This is not true of Catholic schools. And, at least at one time, gay students were not treated with any official hostility at every Catholic school I have been familiar with. The zealotry seems to have been a result of the alliance of the Catholic bishops with the Christian fundamentalists in support f the Republican party. Of course the Cathol9c church teaches a narrow view of the sexes and human sexuality but everyone I know who went to Catholic school never bought into the hurch’s teachings on sex.

  91. So you think simply rearranging my words makes for an adequate response. This demonstrates once again your complete and total lack of education and ability to think logically. Sounds like a perfect example of calvinist “education”.

  92. What this proves is that homofascism is alive and well in our country.

  93. No comment.
    When I see that every sentence is a paragraph, I move on without reading.

  94. I am sorry. I should have not responded at all. Your post wasn’t worth it.

  95. Pretty hard when we’ve got public support.

    Feel free to keep spitting in the wind though.

  96. Really? You mean Obergefell v Hodges was the result of a national referendum?

    Your comment makes it clear how much actual support you’ve got …. thin and diminishing thanks to overreaching like the Masterpiece Bakery fiasco.

  97. No such thing as a national referendum.

    Perhaps you should go back to civics.

    BTW, Masterpiece wasn’t exactly a win. The Colorado law is still on the books and in full force. The only thing that changed because of it was that the state review has to be more even handed when it comes to evaluating the case.

    It’s cute that you like to argue but you’re really bad at it.

  98. Exactly.

    Five individuals imposed something that had been turned down in a number of states already.

    The interesting thing in the Masterpiece decision at SCOTUS was Justice Kennedy’s reaction to the vile, unpleasant, overreaching comments of the Colorado so-called Civil Rights Commission. He never saw it never it coming when he spearheaded Obergefell v. Hodges.

    A lot of us did. We’ve been reading JoeMyGod et al.

    Like Justice Blackmun with Roe v. Wade, all he accomplished was to light a conflict.

    It’s cute that you think you’re good at arguing.

    You aren’t.

  99. You’re my favorite type of person.

    A Dunning Kruger crackpot who won’t shut up.

    By the way, Obergefell had zero to do with Masterpiece.

    The incident took place before the Obergefell ruling even took place and Colorado had not yet legalized same sex marriage.

    Conflating non-discrimination laws with the Obergefell ruling is pretty lazy on your part (or perhaps you just don’t know the situations that well).

    Please continue making a fool of yourself though. Making you dance for me is a spectacular way to pass time while my software is building and deploying.

  100. Ah, another crackpot who won’t shut up.

    Apparently you cannot read simple English.

    The nexus between Obergefell and Masterpiece was Justice Kennedy.

    Read it again for comprehension while your software is building and deploying.

  101. Nice back peddling.

    Everybody reading knew what you were saying. Running away from it just makes you look silly.

    Same sex marriage is here to stay and there isn’t anything you can do to stop it.

    It must eat you up inside.

  102. Anyone who can read knows what I was saying.

    Suck it up, buttercup.

  103. We all knew what you were saying.

    Now you’re running away from it.

    Keep dancing for me though. My code is at 58% right now so I have a way to go.

  104. “We all knew what you were saying.”

    Odd that you feigned otherwise.

    “Now you’re running away from it.”

    Not in the least.

    The interesting thing in the Masterpiece decision at SCOTUS was Justice Kennedy’s reaction to the vile, unpleasant, overreaching comments of the Colorado so-called Civil Rights Commission. He never saw it never it coming when he spearheaded Obergefell v. Hodges.

    Is there anything I can do to entice into making coding errors?

  105. His decision in Obergefell is completely unrelated to non-discrimination laws in Colorado. Nor did he do anything to undermine the actual law in Colorado.

    Try again.

    You’re still not getting rid of same sex marriage.

  106. His comments in the opinion on Masterpiece reflect his shock at what Obergefell is leading to.

    He thought the LGBT community would be magnanimous victors.


  107. So what you’re saying is that the 2015 Obergefell decision led to the Colorado Human Rights ruling in 2012.

    You’re a super deep thinker.


  108. Calling a dog a canine is not name calling.


  109. Poor Mark.

    You seem frustrated. Try some chamomile tea. It’s very soothing.

  110. Go play a game of naked leapfrog with the partner of your choice.

    It may improve your mood.

    Or place your head in vise.

    Your choice.

  111. You really can’t read English, or write English, beyond a fourth grade level.


    And yet here you sit, shooting your mouth off.

  112. Poor, sad little Mark.

    So much hat.

    So little cattle.

    Thinks he knows stuff.

  113. More shooting your mouth off.

    You must feel like a right bloody twit concluding

    “The interesting thing in the Masterpiece decision at SCOTUS was Justice Kennedy’s reaction to the vile, unpleasant, overreaching comments of the Colorado so-called Civil Rights Commission. He never saw it never it coming when he spearheaded Obergefell v. Hodges.”

    suggested that Masterpiece depended on Obergefell.

    Were you brighter you’d quite while you’re behind, but I’ve been reading for some time and I know you won’t.

  114. Poor blowhard Mark.

    Still thinks he knows stuff.

    Perhaps you should “quite” yourself.

  115. You really can’t shovel enough manure to cover interpreting

    “The interesting thing in the Masterpiece decision at SCOTUS was Justice Kennedy’s reaction to the vile, unpleasant, overreaching comments of the Colorado so-called Civil Rights Commission. He never saw it never it coming when he spearheaded Obergefell v. Hodges.”

    as me asserting Masterpiece depended on Obergefell.

    English 101.

  116. Poor Mark.

    Trying to pretend he knows stuff and getting mad because he can’t convince anybody that he does.

  117. Poor Mark.

    Still thinks he knows stuff and doesn’t understand that he’s lost.

    Poor Mark.

    Must have the last word so he’s my dancing puppet for as long as I see fit.

  118. Vlad: hey Orange1 we teach this floydlee good at Research Academy yes? He so good at twisting and make fake diversions yes. Maybe he is a pssy grabber too just like you except he in closet.

    Donald TRump: yeah Pootie Baby, these peons floydlee and Mark Connelly are useful peasants for new Russiamerica and they do good work on their knees. Now I got BIG problems. I got no money to build big wall and now I so scared of strong Nancy Pelosi. She WHUPPED my ass in my shutdown and now I also got big MEAN Mueller on my tail too and he already got Stoned Roger in jail. Now I need escape to Moscow. You can save me and I put my small hands on your big bare chest again.That would be TERRIFIC and AWESOME.

  119. Let’s throw out I Corinthians 6-9-11, since it’s discriminatory! We should have I Corinthians 6:8 then I Corinthians 6:12…..

  120. 9 ηουκ οιδατε οτι αδικοι βασιλειαν θεου ου κληρονομησουσιν μη πλανασθε
    ουτε πορνοι ουτε ειδωλολατραι ουτε μοιχοι ουτε μαλακοι ουτε αρσενοκοιται

    10 ουτε κλεπται ουτε πλεονεκται ουτε μεθυσοι ου λοιδοροι ουχ αρπαγες βασιλειαν θεου ου κληρονομησουσιν

    11 και ταυτα τινες ητε αλλα απελουσασθε αλλα ηγιασθητε αλλ εδικαιωθητε εν τω
    ονοματι του κυριου ιησου και εν τω πνευματι του θεου ημων

  121. nothing wrong with Christian schools who want to exclude anyone who is gay or has a gay sibling

    it’s fine.

    just call it the Hate Academy of Homophobia” instead of invoking Jesus

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