What If the Most Powerful American in the World Isn't Who You Think?
Trump called the pope a loser. The pope is from Chicago and isn’t backing down.
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The playbook for dismissing a pope just stopped working.
President Donald Trump called Pope Leo XIV weak. Catholics — including some of Trump’s own — aren’t buying it. Vatican reporter Claire Giangravé joins Amanda Henderson to explain why Leo, a Chicago-born American pope, can’t be dismissed the way his predecessors were, what his quiet first year was actually building toward and whether the unlikely Catholic coalition forming behind him can hold.
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