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5 faith facts about Donald Trump: A Presbyterian who collects Bibles

U.S. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump was declared the winner in South Carolina minutes after polls closed. REUTERS/Jonathan Ernst

(RNS) Donald Trump, the New York real estate billionaire and reality television star fabled for bluster (and bad hair), has dominated the contest this year for the  Republican presidential nomination.

And he’s done it with minimal — and late — attention to the GOP’s most loyal base of conservative evangelicals. Making up perhaps for lost time, Trump went to the nation’s largest Christian university, Liberty University, in January to pledge, “I’m going to protect Christians,” who he said are losing their power in American society.

Even a tangle with Pope Francis over whether Trump’s views on migrants were “not Christian” didn’t halt Trump’s ability to draw votes from across the religious spectrum right up through Super Tuesday.

Here are five faith facts about Donald Trump.


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1. He identifies as a Presbyterian.

He told Christian Broadcasting Network in 2012: “I’m a Protestant; I’m a Presbyterian. And you know I’ve had a good relationship with the church over the years. I think religion is a wonderful thing. I think my religion is a wonderful religion.”

For years he’s attended Marble Collegiate Church, a Reformed Church in America congregation and once the pulpit of Norman Vincent Peale, author of the mega-best-seller “The Power of Positive Thinking.” Trump has mentioned Peale so frequently in his campaign that the late minister’s son told media his father would not have been pleased.

Then Trump added: “I’m a Sunday church person.” He made good on that statement in January in Iowa when he attended the Sunday morning service at First Presbyterian Church in Muscatine, Iowa, one week before the Iowa caucus.

The Associated Press reported Trump sang hymns (including “God Is Here”) and dropped $50 bills in the offering plate. The subject of the sermon — how Christianity requires the welcoming of the stranger — was particularly relevant for Trump, who has called for banning Muslims from entering the United States.

2. One religion Trump seems to think is not so wonderful is Islam.

In the lead-up to the 2012 presidential election, Trump told Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly that there is a “Muslim problem.” “I don’t notice Swedish people knocking down the World Trade Center,” Trump said, and then moved on to the so-called Ground Zero mosque. “I came out very strongly against the mosque being built virtually across the street.”

But Trump assured O’Reilly there are many “fabulous Muslims” in the world.

Trump berated political activist Pamela Geller in May 2015 for launching a “Draw the Prophet” contest in Texas. “What is she doing drawing Muhammad? I mean, it’s disgusting,” he said on Fox News’ “Fox & Friends.” “Isn’t there something else they could be doing? Drawing Muhammad?”

But that tune has changed. In March 2016, he told CNN’s Anderson Cooper, “I think Islam hates us” and reiterated his belief in the use of waterboarding and “a lot worse.”

3. He collects Bibles.

In the same 2012 CBN interview, Trump said fans often send him Bibles and he keeps every one of them “in a very nice place.” “There’s no way I would ever throw anything, to do anything negative to a Bible,” Trump said.

Trump has been known to take one along to wave at campaign events, but he has said: “I would have a fear of doing something other than very positive, so actually I store them and keep them and sometimes give them away to other people but I do get sent a lot of Bibles and I like that. I think that’s great.”

4. While some evangelicals love him, others are still skeptical.

Exit polls show Trump captured evangelicals in early primaries, but as the field has thinned, so has some of his support there.

Popular Christian blogger Rachel Held Evans points out, “His scant church attendance and clumsiness at citing Scripture have not gone unnoticed here in the Bible Belt.”

Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission has said that evangelicals who vote for Trump abandon their values and join the side of the culture war where “image and celebrity and money and power and social Darwinist ‘winning’ trump the conservation of moral principles and a just society.”

When Trump spoke to students at Liberty University, founded by the late evangelical power broker Jerry Falwell, things were a little bumpy — Trump misspoke the name of a book of the Bible and named his book “The Art of the Deal” as the second-best book in the world — after the Bible, of course.

A recent New York Times piece by economist Eduardo Porter asked if Trump’s popularity, despite his being perceived as the least religious of the candidates, is a sign that evangelicalism’s political heft is on the wane: “It does suggest that Republicans’ longstanding strategy of building majorities for their anti-tax platform by appealing to working-class voters’ Christian morals has lost a lot of its power.”

5. On the campaign trail …

He is confident in his own powers as well as a higher power. Trump has said:

In September, Trump met with three dozen evangelical and Pentecostal leaders, including televangelists Kenneth and Gloria Copeland, pastor David Jeremiah, broadcaster Jan Crouch, Paula White and pastor Darrell Scott. According to the Christian Broadcasting Network, the meeting ended with a laying-on of hands — a Pentecostal practice of physically touching a person being prayed for.

The pre-Iowa highlight for Trump’s religion pitch may have been his address to more than 10,000 Liberty University students in a sports arena and thousands more online. He cited Liberty as a place that has lived up to the biblical passage from 2 Corinthians 3:17,  “Where the spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.” Trump pointed out how evangelicals have been betrayed in the past by politicians who made promises to gain their votes and turned their backs once elected.

But what stuck was the laudatory introduction from Jerry Falwell Jr., president of Liberty, who said Trump “lives a life of loving and helping others as Jesus taught in the great commandment.” Days later, Falwell formally endorsed Trump. And Dallas megachurch pastor Robert Jeffress, a Southern Baptist, led opening prayers at his events in Iowa.

Since then, Trump went on to win several Southern states, helped by large numbers of evangelical voters.

When critics pointed out that his raise-your-right-hand pledge to vote for him — a popular theme at his March rallies — was a visual play on Germany in the 1930s, he was unapologetic.

(Kimberly Winston is a national correspondent for RNS; Cathy Lynn Grossman contributed to this report)

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  • Beware of the notion that the enemy of my enemy has to be my friend.

    Falwell, Jr. and friends probably would have been duped by Adolf were they in Germany in the late 1920s and understandably worried about the Communists.

  • Trump looks out for himself only. Wake up. There is a REAL Christian running for the office of President. You get to choose a man whose gods are ego/self, power and money or a man whose God is the Lord Ted Cruz.

  • I’m for Cruz simply to stop Trump, as he is Trump’s closest competitor. What Cruz is like spiritually is hard to say. Who the heck really knows about anybody?

    But since Trump has the spirituality of a wild monkey ripping out another monkey’s heart, I would say anybody is more spiritual than he is.

  • Anyone who doesn’t get weary watching Trump’s relentless, in-your-face displays of stone-cold selfishness is probably some sort of zombie or pod creature from Invasion of the Body Snatchers. Apparently, there are many, judging from his level of support.

  • Let’s not be too hasty about saying Trump is “better” than anyone …

    The Trump family bought and controls the most expensive single building ever purchased in the United States, at 666 Fifth Avenue, a street symbolic of wealth, affluence, elitism, hubris and power.
    The Trump family paid $1.8 billion for the most expensive building on record. And 18 is of course 3*6 = 666.
    The Trump family is also in the process of building a $666 million tower at One Journal Square. The height will be 666 feet.
    Another Trump Fifth Avenue property, the famous Trump Tower, is 203 meters tall according to multiple reports. And 203 meters = 666 feet.
    Donald Trump inherited his grandmother’s real estate mantle when she died on June 6, 1966 = 6-6-6. Her name was Elizabeth Christ Trump. The family business at that time was E. Trump & Son.
    Elizabeth means “oath” so her full name may be interpreted as “oath for Christ to be trumped (upstaged/outranked).”
    The Trump surname is the…

  • Maybe you should do a number study on all the other candidates. You’ll be surprised what you will find. There is not much at all about Obama and look what we’ve gotten ourselves into?

  • To be a Great President you do not have to be a Pastor, Preacher, a man of the cloth etc. You do need to be very smart, be aware of important things going on in the world , have a love for this country & its people, a need to make America great again, have important smart friends with knowledge of world events, a need to america the safest ever & to believe in Jesus Christ. I believe Donald Trump is that man.

  • You should know that the picture of Trump supporters with their hands raised were making a promise not saluting him. Pictures don’t lie, only the posters.

  • TEMPORARY ban on moslem immigration. Why will the media never report the truth of what Trump said? And you Ms. Winston, might look up the word Hijrah, if you think Islam is so wonderful and not dangerous. And look up koran 9:33, and mohamd meant it as a strict fascist totalitarian (this was after he canceled out all his peace verses while in Medina so he could slaughter if people would not convert, raid caravans and become rich on his slave trade, as well as his followers). It’s the biggest hoax in human history that it is tolerant and peaceful. but Lady, go ahead and stick you own hand in a nest full of vipers and say that not all of them will bite you. As for myself I know better to trust them.

  • Christianity requires you to welcome the other. The Bible. Read it. Also, it is MUSlim, not moslem, and Mohammed, not mohamd. Your illiterate screed is typical of a Trump supporter, and it would be funny if it weren’t so scary.

  • Moslem? google it Ms Sharia enforcer because all of the “screed” is in their own koran, hadiths and Reliance of the Traveler. And BS to welcome the other who is out to kill me in 165 of their genocidal verses in only one of their ungodly books. The bible doesn’t require me to welcome an enemy, nor especially require me to lick the rugs in supplication to a false moon idol some demented psychopath called a god. .What the bible does require is that I expose it. “Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.” – Ephesians 5:11

  • Your last word was the key word about Trump& why We the People will elect him: Unapologetic: for America, her people. our resources, our exceptionalism or anything else. Unlike Obama who has toured the world apologizing for America wherever he goes.

  • Trump should just leave religion alone, as part of his campaign. He hasn’t the depth or humility to grasp the real message of any religion, and when it comes to Christianity, he just doesn’t seem to know what it’s about, its basic message, or anything about the practice of it. Using religion as a campaign weapon, is not only wrong, but not an issue in which he is well-grounded enough to have an intelligent discussion of it.

  • Comparing “…five faith facts about Donald Trump” to the “…five faith facts about Hillary Clinton” was laughable. The first an obvious negative almost-hit piece and the second so much a pretty apologist puff piece I needed fresh air!

  • I don’t believe Trump goes to church weekly, I also don’t believe he donates money to said church as when it comes to charity, he has alligator arms.

  • “For years he’s attended Marble Collegiate Church?” Really? That makes it sound like he’s warming a pew every Sunday. Color me skeptical. Color all of us curious–couldn’t the answer be found?

    And why do we continue to take his word for identifying himself as a Presbyterian. He’s not a member. He’s not attended in decades. Tell us the definition of a Presbyterian and help us understand whether Trump actually qualifies.

  • John 3:19 says, ” This is the condemnation, that light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light.” We are not to love evil. Exodus 20:13 also says,” Thou shall not kill.” Pretty plain and simple right? We are not to learn the ways of the heathens, so if temporarily closing off connections is what we need to do, then lets do it.

  • Unfortunately, one look at the Donald’s behavior betrays his Christian claims. He lies constantly, never apologizes, and cruelly hurts those he disagree with. I can think of few less-Christ-like examples in public life. The hypocrisy is striking, particularly in his ugly name-calling of Mrs. Clinton as “crooked” in light of his broken contracts and defrauded Trump University students. A tree is knows by its fruit, and his smells rotten.

  • And now long is “temporary? Let me guess “for the duration”. Amazing that you and so many other fall for this.

    I could almost respect you and him if you just came out and admitted you hate Muslims and don’t want them here.

  • I don’t hate moselms but I do have the sense to take great offense on who they think is a prophet, phony, and “the perfect man to emulate,” when that psychopath’s whole purpose is to put me under the thumb of some fecal infected bearded abuser who thinks he rules over me, because mohamd told him to. Worse yet, kill everyone who will not become one of them. If you think you like that sort of thing, then dislike for immorality has obfuscated you too.

  • Christian mythology, Muslim mythology it’s all the same. Hate people who are not like us.

    The Bible has incest, repe murder, genocide all in the name of a “loving” God.

  • Multi-Kulti brainwash has lost your discernment. The Old Testament has the violence, but Christ with his New Testament came to stop all that. But keep being an apologist for Islam, since it suits you. You and your opinion mean nothing to me.
    For my part, Ephesians 5:11 Take no part in the works of darkness, but ?????? ????.

  • gapaul, John Calvin was one of the founders of the Presbyterian Church. Calvin believed humility was the most important quality of the Christian Religion. “There is no worse screen to block out the Spirit than confidence in our own intelligence.” Trump definitely does not qualify.

  • Trump’s original proposal was to ban all Muslims from entering the USA, even American citizens returning home. It wasn’t until there was an outcry against this extreme discrimination and violation of the Constitution, he dialed it back to a temporary ban on new immigrants until thoroughly vetted. When he gets trapped in a corner, he claims he never said that and this is what he really meant.

  • I have listened to all his speeches, including his first ones, he never said ALL Moslems. He said all coming from terrorist countries. Go ahead, be an IslamoMarxist apologist and advocate like Killary. You will get beheaded too if you don’t convert and soon, and be able to repeat the right verses when the sharia enforcers come for you.

  • You are only touching on a couple of things of which I would like to add. He uses the ‘F” bomb in public speeches, among other choice curse words, all in public. You can easily find these campaign speeches on the internet. He owned casinos with strip clubs, he is proud that his wife posed nude in lesbian poses, and said that it is normal in France. His daughter has posed in risky photos, he is very ostentatious, arrogant, prideful, boastful, he has said that he doesn’t need to ask for forgiveness. Also, he has 2 class action lawsuits coming up in the fall of 2016. He will say one thing, then contradict himself the next day. He tweets out ridiculous amounts of banter, which no candidate should be doing. Can you imagine if he’s in a press conference, if God forbid, he get elected? The press always ask critical questions of any president, he would probably start screaming at everyone because he wouldn’t be able to handle the stress. Can you imagine Trump in a national speech to the people? It would be a disaster. I can’t wrap my mind around why Trump supporters can’t understand that? He is completely unfit to be president, much less the mayor of a small town!! The man is a loose canon and unfortunately, we would be the ones to suffer at his expense.

  • Oh boy, that temporary thing worked so nicely for the Japanese-American people placed in internment camps after Pearl Harbor. NOT. Read up on your history about this horrible tragedy. People were living in concentration camps and then lost their entire life savings, homes, jobs and everything. How AWFUL. If we do not learn from history we are doomed to repeat it! This is what Trump wants to do to all Muslims that live here, too. You can easily look up a LOT of scripture in the Bible that promotes killing of people for all sorts of sins! I am a Christian, by the way. One can easily take anything out of context in any religious text, especially if you have not studied that religion in depth. So, unless you have studied the Quran and the various sects of the Muslim faith in it’s entirety, then be quiet because you are making yourself look like a fool! ALL of these scriptures I have listed from the Bible tell believers to kill people for not following God’s word! Deuteronomy 17:12; Leviticus 20:27; Exodus 21:15; Proverbs 20:20; Leviticus 20:9; Leviticus 20:10; Leviticus 21:9; Exodus 22:19; 2 Chronicles 15:12-13; Zechariah 13:3; Deuteronomy 13:13-19; Deuteronomy 22:20-21; Numbers 1:48-51;

  • Acts 10:28 And he said to them, “You yourselves know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with or to visit anyone of another nation, but God has shown me that I should not call any person common or unclean.”

  • The bible does not require that I cannot protect myself = sell your cloak and buy a sword. Obviously Christ took people with bad intentions into account.
    But hey, do what the dhimmi pope says to do, give a moslem a hug and love them – for those moslems obeying the mandates of the 7th century psychopath, you just make it easier for them to stretch out your neck for their knife.

  • Okay so you just proved my point that you are taking things out of context. 162. And worship Allah and associate naught with Him, and show kindness to parents, and to kindred, and orphans, and the needy, and to the neighbor that is a kinsman and the neighbor that is a stranger, and the companion by your side, and the wayfarer, and those whom your right hands possess. Surely, Allah loves not the proud and the boastful. (Al Quran 4:37)

  • I’m am truly sorry for many Americans myself. The ignorance is baffling. It truly shows the lack of education and lack of knowledge of the Bible and knowing God in their hearts.

  • This article was written by someone who does NOT understand the Bible.

    It is Hillary Clinton, NOT Donald Trump who is favor of abortion which is contrary to God’s wishes and is murder of babies.

    It is Hillary Clinton, NOT Donald Trump who is catering to and encouraging homosexuals.Surely you commenters have heard of Sodom and Gomorrah.

    The following numbered items came from 5 faith facts about Donald Trump: A Presbyterian who collects Bibles …at http://religionnews.com/2016/01/31/donald-trump-religion-bible-evangelicals/

    1. He identifies as a Presbyterian.

    2. One religion Trump seems to think is not so wonderful is
    Islam.

    3. He collects Bibles.

    4. While some evangelicals love him, others are still
    skeptical.

    “Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics
    & Religious Liberty Commission has said that evangelicals who vote for
    Trump abandon their values and join the side of the culture war where “image
    and celebrity and money and power and social Darwinist ‘winning’ trump the
    conservation of moral principles and a just society.”

    NOTE: SOME BAPTISTS LIKE RUSSELL MOORE ARE EXTREMISTS.
    TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A BIBLE QUOTING THEOLOGIAN TO BE A CHRISTIAN. TO BE A
    CHRISTIAN ALL ANYONE HAS TO DO IS BELIEVE IN THEIR MIND AND THEIR HEART 1
    CORINTHIANS 15:3-4 “3 Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4
    that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
    Scriptures.”

    5. On the campaign trail he said he is confident in his own powers as well as a higher power.

  • A person can go to church every Sunday and every Wednesday and still not be a true Christian or be saved.

    ALL ANYONE HAS TO DO TO BE A CHRISTIAN AND BE SAVED IS BELIEVE IN THEIR MIND AND THEIR HEART 1 CORINTHIANS 15:3-4 “3 Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
    Scriptures.”

    Trump seems to qualify. Hilary Clinton because she encourages homosexuality and abortion does NOT.

    The following numbered items came from 5 faith facts about
    Donald Trump: A Presbyterian who collects Bibles …at http://religionnews.com/2016/01/31/donald-trump-religion-bible-evangelicals/

    1. He identifies as a Presbyterian.

    2. One religion Trump seems to think is not so wonderful is Islam.

    3. He collects Bibles.

    4. While some evangelicals love him, others are still skeptical.

    “Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics
    & Religious Liberty Commission has said that evangelicals who vote for
    Trump abandon their values and join the side of the culture war where “image
    and celebrity and money and power and social Darwinist ‘winning’ trump the
    conservation of moral principles and a just society.”

    NOTE: SOME BAPTISTS LIKE RUSSELL MOORE ARE EXTREMISTS.
    TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A BIBLE QUOTING THEOLOGIAN TO BE A CHRISTIAN. TO BE A CHRISTIAN ALL ANT YINE HAS TO DO IS BELIEVE IN THEIR MIND AND THEIR HEART 1
    CORINTHIANS 15:3-4 “3 Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4
    that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
    Scriptures.”

    5. On the campaign trail he said he is confident in his own powers as well as a higher power.

  • Try to keep up, Wouter Ditto.

    The following numbered items came from 5 faith facts about Donald Trump: A Presbyterian who collects Bibles …at http://religionnews.com/2016/01/31/donald-trump-religion-bible-evangelicals/

    1. He identifies as a Presbyterian.

    2. One religion Trump seems to think is not so wonderful is Islam.

    3. He collects Bibles.

    4. While some evangelicals love him, others are still skeptical.

    “Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics
    & Religious Liberty Commission has said that evangelicals who vote for
    Trump abandon their values and join the side of the culture war where “image
    and celebrity and money and power and social Darwinist ‘winning’ trump the
    conservation of moral principles and a just society.”

    NOTE: SOME BAPTISTS LIKE RUSSELL MOORE ARE EXTREMISTS. TRUMP DOES NOT HAVE TO BE A BIBLE QUOTING THEOLOGIAN TO BE A CHRISTIAN. TO BE A
    CHRISTIAN ALL ANYONE HAS TO DO IS BELIEVE IN THEIR MIND AND THEIR HEART 1
    CORINTHIANS 15:3-4 “3 Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4
    that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
    Scriptures.”

    5. On the campaign trail he said he is confident in his own powers as well as a higher power.

  • Do you think that catering to and encouraging homosexuals and abortions is Christian?

    Hillary is the one who does that–NOT Donald Trump.

  • Try to keep up, Pat.

    The following numbered items came from 5 faith facts about Donald Trump: A Presbyterian who collects Bibles …at http://religionnews.com/2016/0

    1. He identifies as a Presbyterian.

    2. One religion Trump seems to think is not so wonderful is Islam.

    3. He collects Bibles.

    4. While some evangelicals love him, others are still skeptical.

    “Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics
    & Religious Liberty Commission has said that evangelicals who vote for
    Trump abandon their values and join the side of the culture war where “image
    and celebrity and money and power and social Darwinist ‘winning’ trump the
    conservation of moral principles and a just society.”

    NOTE: SOME BAPTISTS LIKE RUSSELL MOORE ARE EXTREMISTS. TRUMP DOES NOT
    HAVE TO BE A BIBLE QUOTING THEOLOGIAN TO BE A CHRISTIAN. TO BE A
    CHRISTIAN ALL ANYONE HAS TO DO IS BELIEVE IN THEIR MIND AND THEIR HEART 1
    CORINTHIANS 15:3-4 “3 Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4
    that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
    Scriptures.”

    5. On the campaign trail he said he is confident in his own powers as well as a higher power.

  • You call lying about her emails and Benghazi tame?

    Do you get your misinformation from the National Inquirer?

  • Try to keep up, gapaul.

    The following numbered items came from 5 faith facts about Donald Trump: A Presbyterian who collects Bibles …at http://religionnews.com/2016/0

    1. He identifies as a Presbyterian.

    2. One religion Trump seems to think is not so wonderful is Islam.

    3. He collects Bibles.

    4. While some evangelicals love him, others are still skeptical.

    “Russell Moore of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics
    & Religious Liberty Commission has said that evangelicals who vote for
    Trump abandon their values and join the side of the culture war where “image
    and celebrity and money and power and social Darwinist ‘winning’ trump the
    conservation of moral principles and a just society.”

    NOTE: SOME BAPTISTS LIKE RUSSELL MOORE ARE EXTREMISTS. TRUMP DOES NOT
    HAVE TO BE A BIBLE QUOTING THEOLOGIAN TO BE A CHRISTIAN. TO BE A
    CHRISTIAN ALL ANYONE HAS TO DO IS BELIEVE IN THEIR MIND AND THEIR HEART 1
    CORINTHIANS 15:3-4 “3 Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4
    that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the
    Scriptures.”

    5. On the campaign trail he said he is confident in his own powers as well as a higher power.

  • Actually, Trump does “encourage homosexuals,” and he also favored legalized abortion until it became politically expedient for him not to do so.

    But freedom for each person to follow his or her conscience is a basic Christian (at least Reformed Christian) value that we should all follow if we want to receive the same respect that homosexuals and those who favor legalized abortion want, That is what makes living in a free, multi-cultural society works.

  • In this, as in so many other things, Donald Trump seems to be evasive and misleading.So for the benefit of others who might happen by here:

    “It’s unclear how long the Trumps went to Jamaica Presbyterian before they started taking their family to Marble Collegiate Church in Manhattan.” http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-religion-of-trump/article/2000601

    In August (2015), after Trump told reporters that “I am Presbyterian Protestant. I go to Marble Collegiate,” (a member of the Reformed Church of America) the church responded that “as he indicates, he is a Presbyterian, and is not an active member of Marble.” http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-religion-of-trump/article/2000601

    “Marble Collegiate Church Says Trump Is Not An Active Member”
    http://www.christianpost.com/news/marble-collegiate-church-says-donald-trump-is-not-an-active-member-143991/

    Conceding a lack of “factual evidence that Mr. Trump currently holds membership in any local [Presbyterian] congregation,” Gradye Parsons, (Stated Clerk of the Presbyterian Church) said last month that “the discipline process that would be necessary to remove him from membership is not applicable.” http://www.weeklystandard.com/the-religion-of-trump/article/2000601

    See, they can’t remove him if he isn’t a member. I can call myself a Boy Scout, but if I’m not actually a Boy Scout, what does that mean?

    “The Church Trump Now Claims to Attend Says He is Not An Active Member”
    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/trumps-sunday-school/492653/

    –which might make sense. The Presbyterian church of his childhood is now largely black and mainly immigrant. The pastor is from Jamaica. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/trumps-sunday-school/492653/

    He says he collects Bibles — has anyone actually seen his collection? I can’t find a photo on the web. But many households in America can find 5-10 copies somewhere. Is that what he means?

  • Church membership is NOT a requirement for being a Christian.The requirement is believing in your mind and heart 1 CORINTHIANS 15:3-4 “3 Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.”

    SEE IF YOU CAN CONCENTRATE LONG ENOUGH TO READ THE FOLLOWING:

    I can find no reference to Hillary Clinton belonging to a church.

    The following came from 5 faith facts about Hillary Clinton: Social Gospel Methodist to the core at http://religionnews.com/2016/01/29/hillary-clinton-religion-methodist/

    .1. Look to the Methodists.

    2. There’s a Bible in her purse and a gospel song in her
    heart.

    3. Prayer matters.

    4. God politics is tough.

    5. On the campaign trail … Clinton often outrages conservative evangelicals.

    FACTS: Hilary Clinton recruits and encourages homosexuals for votes. That is contrary to God’s desires as expressed in the Bible in her purse.

    1 Corinthians 6:9 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice HOMOSEXUALITY.

    Aside from Hillary Clinton’s proven lies about:

    1. Her emails (SEE Hillary Clinton’s wrong claim that FBI director Comey called her comments about emails “truthful” at http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/

    2. And Benghazi (SEE in Part I of the Committee on
    Benghazi at “Select Committee on Benghazi Releases Proposed Report | Select …” https://benghazi.house.gov/NewInfo :

    There is no more subtle and crafty way for her and the Democrats to destroy America than by glorifying homosexuality and gay marriage.

    The fact that many heterosexuals who have multiple partners also get and transmit sexually transmitted diseases is no excuse. Two (2 ) wrongs do NOT make a right.

    Below is just one (1) way gay marriage can bring harm.

    The health risks are enormous to themselves and others.

    The fact is that homosexuals do not live as long as heterosexuals due to the health risks associated with the lifestyle, and billions of dollars are spent annually in health care for them. (See Statistics on HIV/AIDS and health related issues)

    The following, and much more that condemns homosexuality, came from Sexually transmitted infections (STIs) – World Health Organization at
    http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs110/en/

    “More than 1 million sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are acquired EVERY DAY worldwide.”

  • Donald trump may NOT be the best candidate for President in the world, BUT he is better that Hillary Clinton or the pot selling libertarian Gary Johnson.

    Aside from Hillary Clinton’s proven lies about:

    1. Her emails (SEE Hillary Clinton’s wrong claim that FBI
    director Comey called her comments about emails “truthful” at
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/aug/01/hillary-clinton/hillary-clintons-wrong-claim-fbi-director-comey-ca/

    2. And Benghazi (SEE in Part I of the Committee on
    Benghazi at “Select Committee on Benghazi Releases Proposed Report | Select …” https://benghazi.house.gov/NewInfo :

    There is no more subtle and crafty way for her and the Democrats to destroy America than by glorifying homosexuality and gay marriage.

    The fact that many heterosexuals who have multiple partners also get and transmit sexually transmitted diseases is no excuse. Two (2 ) wrongs do NOT make a right.

    Below is just one (1) way gay marriage can bring harm.

    The health risks are enormous to themselves and others.

    The fact is that homosexuals do not live as long as heterosexuals due to the health risks associated with the lifestyle, and billions of dollars are spent annually in health care for them. (See Statistics on HIV/AIDS and health related issues)

    The following, and much more that condemns homosexuality, came from Sexually transmitted infections (STIs) – World Health Organization at http://www.who.int/mediacentre/factsheets/fs110/en/

    “More than 1 million sexually transmitted infections (STIs) are acquired EVERY DAY worldwide.”

  • He does not “collect Bibles.” He said people send him Bibles and he keeps them in a nice place. He hasn’t said he has read any of them and does not appear to know what the differences are between the different versions.

  • The Quran is an amalgam of old and new testaments with some more modern (9th Century) Arab beliefs.

  • There seems to be too much emphasis put on religion here in the US for a country that tally’s less that 20% of folks actually go to church every Sunday. Not a good showing for how pissy they are.
    Personally,I never ask a person about their religion,or wonder nor does it matter. Its just not a topic of conversation at all. God still loves me.,

  • You are self delusional to believe ANYTHING Donnie says. He’s a class A liar, fraudster, con man and bs artist.

  • Hillary Clinton DOES NOT encourage abortion nor homosexuality. She encourages freedom. Something I’m not sure you completely understand.

  • Donald Trump will do ANYTHING for attention. He is the definition of a narcissist. His whole campaign is a PR stunt gone way too far. He would perform and abortion on live TV if it would get him ratings. He steals from small businesses and his very own foundation. He’s a con man of the highest order.

  • Trump is a fake Christian just like you are. Christianity is not about being authoritative and exclusionary. It is about love and acceptance. Fake Christians like yourself are ruining our nation and our world.

  • Benghazi is the ONLY thing you have on her and it is weak at best. Nothing found in the emails -nothing. How many tens or hundreds of lies, frauds, and downright corrupt dealings does Trump have..? We learn about more of them every day.

  • Do you have anything intelligent or original to add to this conversation or do you just repeat the same stupid stuff again and again over and over. You know what they say about the intelligence of Trump supporters, right…?

  • The Republican Party had a real good shot at the White House this time going up against someone as controversial as Hillary Clinton but then they blew it by nominating Donald Trump, a bone-fide con man, fraudster and liar. Far from anything resembling Christian values. Only a hypocrite would claim to be a Christian and also vote for this man. Even Colin Powell agrees with me. Hacked emails just made public show Powell describing Trump as a “National Disgrace” and an “international pariah” and a “racist”. QED

  • He’s not a Presbyterian, he’s a Trumpian -all about himself. He does not care about the Republican party and has pretty much destroyed it.

  • Try to keep up, societyissick. Your biting repetitive comments are condescending, rude, and in bad taste. What you say about others actually reflects more about who you are.

  • while we are all fighting about who is right and who is wrong or who has what religious beliefs remember your faith is God based and politics is man made.
    Division of the Ten Commandments by religion/denomination

    Commandment
    Jewish (Talmudic)*
    Anglican, Reformed, and other Christian
    Orthodox Christian
    Catholic, Lutheran**

    I am the Lord your God
    1
    preface
    1
    1

    You shall have no other gods before me
    2
    1

    You shall not make for yourself an idol
    2
    2

    Do not take the name of the Lord in vain
    3
    3
    3

    2

    Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
    4
    4
    4
    3

    Honor your father and mother

    5
    5
    5
    4

    You shall not kill/murder†
    6
    6
    6

    5

    You shall not commit adultery
    7
    7
    7
    6

    You shall not steal††

    8
    8
    8
    7

    You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor
    9
    9
    9

    8

    You shall not covet‡ your neighbor’s wife
    10
    10
    10
    9

    You shall not covet‡ anything that belongs to your neighbor

    10

    if you look at the differences in the commandents you will notice that #6 is the same across the board “Thou shalt not kill/murder” that means abortion! im not saying that its wrong for a woman to make her own mind up thats between her and her God not for me to judge but I as a christian should not stand by and say nothing either and all this fighting is why religion and politics dont mix. yes we need to change with the times but the Commandents have not changed. and just because you have a bible in your purse or have a collection of them does not mean you follow Gods laws. and as far as looking to the methodist they are totally against abortion.

  • so does tv but you didnt throw that out did you and as far as all in the name of a loving God you are forgetting that all the things you mentioned were committed by man not God

  • i agree we are voting for president of united states not heaven Gods already got heaven under control

  • The keeping of the Law cannot save anyone

    Romans 3:20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in
    God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.”

    Titus 3:5 “he saved us, not because of righteous things we
    had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit,”

    We are saved by grace, through faith

    Ephesians 2:8-9 “8 For it is by grace you have been saved,
    through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9 not by works, so that no one can boast.”

    Those who claim righteousness on the basis of their keeping
    of the Law only think they’re keeping the Law; this was one of Jesus’ main points in the Sermon on the Mount SEE Matthew 5:20–48; see also Luke 18:18–23.

    The purpose of the Law was, basically, to bring us to Christ.
    Once we are saved, God desires to glorify Himself through our good works.

    Therefore, good works FOLLOW salvation; THEY DO NOT PRECEDE IT.

    I do NOT think ALL Methodists, ALL Baptists or ALL any
    denomination are against abortion.

    I KNOW THAT SOME United Methodists are in favor of gay
    marriage and there is support for gay clergy.

    1. Conferences reject church’s stance on gays | The
    United Methodist …

    http://www.umc.org/news-and-media/conferences-reject-churchs-stance-on-gays

    2. 500 clergy support gay United Methodist clergy
    who came out

    http://www.umc.org/news-and-media/111-clergy-clergy-candidates-come-out-as-gay

    In think all Christians should vote their conscience, I think they should vote and look to see if their candidate has Christian values.

    At this point, I will vote for Trump as as rough as he is, I think he is better than Clinton

  • Presbyterian, and Trumps connection to it, is only that it is the Presbueriam church government was ensured in Scottand, via is mother’s faith and her ancestry is Scotish. I can claim my parents denomination too, if it were fact, but I’m no longer a Catholic, though my ancestors were Irish and Catholic, it does mean I am still a Catholic. Though I am a Christian, and a practicing one at that. I read my bible, all three of them, and have one on my phone too. All and any bible that has been printed I have access to via an app on my phone. I pray daily, and go to church as many days of the week I can, but never do I pass on a Sunday.

  • Trump is an adulterer. He cheated on all his wives. Even his present one. The Bible says if a man looks at a woman with lust in his heart, he has commitied adultery. Even if he never touched her, which is not even true for the one he is with now, he still inappropriately touches women with whom he is not married, if not outright sex, he lusts after women all the time too, thus he is not only a hypocrite he is an adulterer. The same punishment for homosexuallity is for the adulterer too, death, according to scripture. He covets not only his neighbors belongings, but their wives and daughters.

  • He believed abortion was OK before he thought about running for POTUS. He’s also accepts gay people, and supports homosexuallity. “This is a very dark moment in America’s history,” the presumptive Republican nominee said. “A radical Islamic terrorist targeted the nightclub not only because he wanted to kill Americans, but in order to execute gay and lesbian citizens because of their sexual orientation.”
    Trump went on to label the attack a “strike at the heart and soul of who we are as a nation” and an “assault” on people’s ability to “love who they want and express their identity.” http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/politics/donald-trump-lgbt-community/ And http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2016/07/22/lgbt-republican-donald-trump-gop-platform-struggle/

    So you see, he does support Gays, prostution, adultery and abortion http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914 (before he was against it, then for it, then against it, then for it, than against it.) He is for whoever he is speaking to at that moment, no matter what. “they are just words” to Donald

  • Exactly, the Bible promotes killing more often and against more people than the Koran does. The Koran only says it’s OK if in self-defense only.

  • Christ was an observant Jew until his death. He believed in the Old Testament, even saying he was not here to preach against it, but to fulfill it (The Law – which is the Old Testament, and then some including all the Laws that Jews must follow, not gentiles. Jesus being an observant Jew was against those Jews who were ‘perverting the Law” of Moses (the first 5 books is Moses’ Law, which IS the Old Testament.)

  • Read it.

    Republican Party on Abortion

    FAITHFUL TO THE “SELF-EVIDENT” TRUTHS ENSHRINED IN THE
    DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, WE ASSERT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE AND AFFIRM THAT THE UNBORN CHILD HAS A FUNDAMENTAL INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO LIFE WHICH CANNOT
    BE INFRINGED. WE SUPPORT A HUMAN LIFE AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION AND ENDORSE LEGISLATION TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT’S PROTECTIONS APPLY TO UNBORN CHILDREN.

    SEE Republican Party on Abortion – OnTheIssues.org
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm

    Democratic Party on Abortion

    THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STRONGLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY
    SUPPORTS ROE V. WADE AND A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING HER PREGNANCY, INCLUDING SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTION, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY TO PAY.

    SEE Democratic Party on Abortion – OnTheIssues.org
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm

    We are all individuals. If people like Albert Einstein, Martin Luther King, and Dr. Jonas Salk who invented the vaccine for Polio, where would we be?

  • You are a very confused person. I heard what Trump said, and you have twisted Trump’s words for your own selfish ends. Give us a link so we can read for ourselves.

    A vote for Donald Trump is NOT necessarily a vote for him. It is a vote for millions of unborn babies.

    SEE
    58,586,256 Abortions in America Since Roe v. Wade in 1973
    http://www.lifenews.com/2016/01/14/58586256-abortions-in-
    america-since-roe-v-wade-in-1973/

    Read the following:

    Republican Party on Abortion

    FAITHFUL TO THE “SELF-EVIDENT” TRUTHS ENSHRINED IN THE
    DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE, WE ASSERT THE SANCTITY OF HUMAN LIFE AND AFFIRM THAT THE UNBORN CHILD HAS A FUNDAMENTAL INDIVIDUAL RIGHT TO LIFE WHICH CANNOT
    BE INFRINGED. WE SUPPORT A HUMAN LIFE AMENDMENT TO THE CONSTITUTION AND ENDORSE LEGISLATION TO MAKE CLEAR THAT THE FOURTEENTH AMENDMENT’S PROTECTIONS APPLY TO UNBORN CHILDREN.

    SEE
    Republican Party on Abortion – OnTheIssues.org
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Republican_Party_Abortion.htm

    Democratic Party on Abortion

    THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY STRONGLY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY
    SUPPORTS ROE V. WADE AND A WOMAN’S RIGHT TO MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING HER PREGNANCY, INCLUDING SAFE AND LEGAL ABORTION, REGARDLESS OF ABILITY TO PAY.

    SEE
    Democratic Party on Abortion – OnTheIssues.org
    http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Abortion.htm

    Matthew 25:40 “And the King shall answer and say unto
    them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”

    Rev. Thomas Parrish, the executive pastor of the Hope
    Lutheran Church in Minneapolis, Minnesota said “Silence in the face of evil is itself evil: God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.”

  • I agree that you can go to Church every day of the week and still not be a ‘Christian’ – however, I don’t understand why you keep quoting Paul’s testimony of the divinity of the resurrected Saviour and his summary of the gospel of Christ. Here – let me throw a verse at you – try Matt 7:21.
    Trump is a fake Republican and he is a fake Christian. And yet many evangelicals will embrace him and his mealy-mouthed philandering ways in spite of everything.
    Supporting Trump and his behaviour has cost you any claim to moral high-ground.

  • You referred me to Matthew 7:21 “Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.”

    I suppose you are saying that Trump will NOT enter the kingdom of God.

    How do you know?

    Throughout the Bible there are men who sinned terribly, yet they were saved and entered the kingdom of God. WE ALL CAN CHANGE.

    Moses was a murderer. He lost his temper and murdered an
    Egyptian slave master.

    Exodus 2:12 “Looking this way and that and seeing no one, he
    killed the Egyptian and hid him in the sand.”

    King David was an adulterer and a murderer of Bathsheba’s husband Uriah.

    2 Samuel 11 2: 2-4 “1 One evening David got up from his bed
    and walked around on the roof of the palace. From the roof he saw a woman bathing. The woman was very beautiful, 3 and David sent someone to find out about her. The man said, “She is Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam and the wife of Uriah the Hittite.” 4 Then David sent messengers to get her. She came to him, and he slept with her. (Now she was purifying herself from her monthly uncleanness.) Then she went back home. 5 The woman conceived and sent word to
    David, saying, “I am pregnant.”

    2 Samuel 11 2: 14-16 “14 In the morning David wrote a letter
    to Joab and sent it with Uriah. 15 In it he wrote, “Put Uriah out in front
    where the fighting is fiercest. Then withdraw from him so he will be struck down and die.” 16 So while Joab had the city under siege, he put Uriah at a place where he knew the strongest defenders were. 17 When the men of the city came out and fought against Joab, some of the men in David’s army fell; moreover, Uriah the Hittite died.”

    Yet Moses, David and Paul were forgiven because they believed God and they wrote much of the Bible.

    God is a loving and forgiving God. If he were NOT, no one would enter the kingdom of God as we are all sinners and the wages of are death.

    Romans 3:23 “for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God
    Though we may die”,

    Jesus said on John 11:25 “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.”

    Jesus was speaking of life after death in the kingdom of God.

    Christianity is the ONLY religion that requires only FAITH—nothing
    more, no good deeds–to be saved and have eternal life.

    To be saved one must believe with his mind and his heart 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 “that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures”.

    You a seem to know something about the Bible. I urge you to do more than simply read a few passages. I urge you to pray and STUDY the Bible every day. Ask God to open your eyes.

    I was an alcoholic, a fornicator and an adulterer. It took a
    brain aneurysm in July 2010 due to drinking too much for too long. have studied the Bible some every day ever since. It did NOT take long for me to see the truth of God’s word in the Bible.

    We are all rebellious people and it usually takes some sort of catastrophe in our lives to make us surrender the control of life we THINK we have and surrender to God and follow His desires for our life.

    If you have questions consult those who have studied the
    Bible for years at websites such as (1) https://carm.org;
    (2) http://www.gotquestions.org.

    You simply have to ask questions such as “What does God say
    about homosexuality got questions” or “What does God say about marriage carm”. You will soon get the hang of it.

  • i was talking about Gods laws the ten commandments not mans laws and about saving your soul not the mortal body and you are right about being saved by grace through faith. i also agree with you on voting for Trump we are asking him to run this great country and get us out of the big hole others have put us in and i think he can do it

  • I agree. Though Trump is often a bull in a china shop, he is NOT a polished politician and he doesn’t know how to lie as they do.

  • To “identify” as a Presbyterian is not enough. I actually come from a Presbyterian family, and you have to attend classes similar to caticism it’s called a confirmation of the faith. It usually happens to most people in middle school, in his adolescent years Donald Trump was NOT a Presbyterian, and something tells me that it’s unlikely he took a confirmation class in his 50’s or 60’s. Also hating Islam is not a requirement of Christianity, actually it’s discouraged to hate anyone. The PResbyterian faith is very keen on this. Anyone can collect bibles, he says his fans send him bibles, that’s not the same as buying your own bibles and actually studying them. Actually, the Presbytery in America failed to endorse Donald and actually went as far as to endorse his opponent Hillary Clinton, just so you are aware. Quite a few high ranking members of the Prebytery actually grew up with Bill Clinton……

  • Actually the Presbyterian church doesen’t buy into that anti-homo crap, as a matter of fact the Presbyterian church was the FIRST church to ALLOW gay marriage inside of their church walls and one of the first to bury gays. Also the Presbytery is against abortion, but sees the woman as a victim as well as the fetus, they do not demonize the woman. I know because I was actually raised in the church.

  • I mean the man has done numerous interviews with NE and has gone as far as to endorse the magazine himself in the present and the past.

  • Well, the Presbyterian church became the first church to marry homosexuals, so technically if Donald Trump is a Presbyterian then according to you’re logic he’s not a Christian either. And Hillary is a Methodist just so you know…

  • Why can’t we compromise on abortion? What about cases of rape and incest or cases where aborting the fetus can save the mother’s life and the mother is a single mom of like 7 kids? Don’t you think that SOMETIMES abortion might be necessary? What if you had an 11 year old girl who got raped by your brother? Would you want the child to be born to suffer deformations and mental retardation? Kids don’t ask to be conceived. I think you have a convoluted mentality as to what abortion entails. You should actually research it, objectivally and ask WOMEN what THEY think about abortion. Women, who aren’t part of YOUR church. Side note: Not everyone in the US is Christian either, and the US does not belong to the Christian faith. If we don’t separate church and state then that’s the biggest slap in the face to our forefathers, who left England specifically because of forced Catholocism and Calvinism/Methodism.

  • Just like no one should be forced to practice religion or adhere to the rules imposed by religion nobody should be forced on your hatred of it. It works both ways my friend. Trust me, I’m an atheist too. But that doesen’t mean I go around insulting Christians, well unless they deserve it. But hating Christians is just another form of bigotry. Remember, Hitler was an atheist too and he persecuted many orthodox Christians who objected to his actions. Actually, Hitler killed religious and brown people in general. Why would you want your words to be reminiscent of a man like that? Why can’t you try to change minds with logic and reasoning instead of this Dawkins rhetoric the internet seems to be so fond of these days?

  • Okay, fine you are entitled to your opinion of Trump’s politics. Even though I disagree I won’t voice my disagreement on that. But don’t sit there and act like Trump is a good Christian, especially after these tapes have come out.

  • while you are right, another requirement of being a Christian is not to judge others and to leave that judgement up to God, a big rule you are breaking in all these posts my friend. Trump may be a Christian but he is not a true Presbyterian, that is a fact.

  • I would consider a vote for Ivanka also, but not any of his other kids. Ivanka should really think about getting into senate and working her way up the ladder. The way the polls are going now that may be the only way the Trumps ever see the white house.

  • while I agree with your point against Ann, I think you’re being a little hard on her by judging her for a simple typo. Why would she think Mohammed is spelled “mohamd” come on man, that was obviously a typo from typing fast and you know it.

  • I’ve actually read the Quran and the Hadith and they don’t say that stuff. I studied Islam for a year after high school when I went to Egypt. ISIS and Al Qaeda and Boko Haram teach a convoluted form of ISLAM and they even hide the Qurans from their own members especially BH. REAL Muslims don’t believe in violence for any reason other than self defense. So you can see how groups like ISIS would twist the self defense rhetoric of the Quran and say “the US attacked us first, an attack on them is one is self defense”. They are obviously wrong, but here’s a fun fact, most people in the world ARE Muslim, and most of them reject ISIS, even the ones who support ISIS, many of them are FORCED to do so, remember that. I suggest you actually read the Quran before judging it. I suggest you also read the entire bible too, and the Torah, all three religions believe in the SAME God, just so you know ALLAH is an ARABIC version for YAWEH (the jewish and Christian God)

  • Also, did you know that Mohammed is the most commonly used name in the world? So if you hate Islamic people, you hate about a third of the entire world. It’s okay to hate terrorists, but why hate Islamic people in general? You know, our own Christian bible tells us to stone drunks and cross dressers to death, but we don’t do that do we? It’s the same thing with Islam, their book might say a few outdated and crazy things, those parts tend to get ignored by everyone BUT extremists. Think of Islamic terrorists as Westboro Baptist Church with more members and a bunch of guns and an entire region of Asia to themselves on top of 90% of the worlds Opium and Oil reserves.

  • I’m convinced he never read the Constitution. Notice in the last debate when asked about the 2nd amendment he says “I will never repeal any amendment” but when asked about Roe V Wade he said “I will repeal Roe V Wade”. Roe V Wade is just as much of an amendment as the 2nd amendment. He’s a hypocrite. Just because you disagree with certain parts of the constitution more than others doesen’t mean you get to erase entire amendments, there is an extensive voting process involved that goes beyond appointing judges.

  • There is no convolution of islam by Jihadists b/c Mo. canceled out all his peace verses That the moslem written books (Pearson) will not tell you in high school. What ISIS practices is what Mohamd did himself and mandated. He was a psychopath with every clinical descriptor in the DSM psych manual. Jihad is the greatest act a moslem can do for his phony god, and mandated. Jihad is a pillar of islam which is not a buffet from which a moslem can pick and chose
    Also a fabrication in moslem-written US textbooks is that it is the same god. The Jews & Christians in Mecca did not buy that baloney when Mo. was preaching (he only converted 150 people in 13 years) that Alla was Yaweh. Mo picked out a moon IDOL to enlist Arabs and fabricated it as the god. It’s the greatest hoax in human history until the internet has been able to expose the death and slave machine it has always been, and Mo’s canceling all his peace verses. (Mo was a slave trader that you cannot deny and the reason millions of Africans have been traded over the centuries).

  • Islam is a political ideology masquerading as a religion, though it has plenty of religiosity. Islam is not a person though it does teach to hate unbelievers. As the Psychopath Mo said, “Unbelievers are filth.” “Lie in wait, ambush, kill the unbelievers.” Somehow you are equating that if one abhors the death & slave mandates in this fascist and apartheid ideology, they hate the people trapped in it. There’s a difference.

  • I have been in OBGYN for 40 years, yes abortions are done, including late term o save the mother’s life. Most states allow for rape and incest too. The only time I saw a late term abortion refused by a husband was when a moslem man refused it for his wife who was in eclampsia because the baby was a boy. The husband/father are the only ones who can decide if a woman/their property can get medical care. In this case to save her involved males, and no male is suppose to see a female. The hospital had to get an emergency injunction to save her life, except she died. That might have been a good thing because she would have been blamed if the baby had died and there would have been an honor killing of her. Since he had 3 other wives (called ‘relatives’ to social service so they could all be on Medical), there was someone to take care of the boy he wanted.

  • To be saved, one must believe in his heart and his mind, 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 “that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures.”

    Don’t complicate it.

  • He said he has not and does not need to ask for forgiveness. He’s a charlatan, an imposter, a fraud, a con. Wake up.

  • The Bible, as God’s Word, reveals God’s moral character and
    it shapes the morality of the Christian. The Bible has much to say about homosexuality. A few examples include the following:

    Lev. 18:22 ,”You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”

    Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death.Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”

    1 Cor. 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, NOR HOMOSEXUALS, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

    Jesus Christ is quoted in Matthew 19:4 as saying that God created
    people “in the beginning” as MALE AND FEMALE, AND THAT MARRIAGE IS THE UNION OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN joined together as “one flesh.”

    Jesus Christ is also quoted in Matthew 19:4-5 “4 And he answered and said unto them, ‘Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them MALE AND FEMALE, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and SHALL CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Christ used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and
    Gomorrah as dramatic examples of God’s wrath.

    Mark 6:11 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for SODOM AND GOMORRAH in the day of judgment, than for that city.”

    Luke 17:29 “But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.”

    HILLARY CLINTON IS GLORIFYING HOMOSEXUALS FOR VOTES.

    IN FACT, A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF HILLARY CLINTON’S VOTERS ARE HOMOSEXUALS AND HOLLYWOOD CELEBRITIES WHO ARE ALSO GLORIFYING HOMOSEXUALS WHILE THEY ARE DYING FROM HIV, AIDS AND ALCOHOL AND DRUG ABUSE.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither
    fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, NOR HOMOSEXUALS, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, NOR DRUNKARDS, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.”

  • Let’s forget about Trump and Clinton for awhile.

    Apologetics websites are there to answer your questions and defend the faith. The following can help with any questions you may have as to what God and the Bible say about subjects. Simply put a question in your computers search field and then look for answers from
    one or more of these websites. For example, put a question like “what does God say about marriage” in the search field and look for answers from these websites:

    (1) https://carm.org;

    (2) http://creation.com;

    (3) http://christiananswers.net;

    (4) http://www.biblestudytools.com

    (5) http://www.focusonthefamily.com

    (6) http://www.gotquestions.org;

    (7) http://www.letusreason.org;

    (8) http://www.godandscience.org;

    (9) http://www.icr.org/

    (10) http://www.biblearchaeology.org

    (11) http://www.biblestudytools.com/dictionaries/bakers-evangelical-dictionary/

    (12)
    http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html

    Les Feldick is one of the best teachers of the Bible and he does it by using Bible verses and explanations without anger or hell fire and damnation. He is NOT a preacher, but is an Oklahoma rancher who has taught the Bible for over 30 years.

    He is retired now, but his programs are still on TV. He never asks for
    money, but you can send a voluntary offering if you want.

    Les Feldick is on ION TV every morning M-F from 7:30-8:00 AM. His talks can aloo be read and heard on the internet by searching “Through the Bible with Les Feldick”.

    There are several TV preachers who will help you in your faith. Below are the names of several pastors on TV and a Messianic rabbi on TV who preach Christianity as it is taught in the Bible. They can be seen on TBN and they are in alphabetical order.

    Bradshaw, John

    Evans, Jimmy and Karen (excellent marriage counseling)

    Feldick, Les (not a theologian but one of the best teachers)

    Graham, Billy

    Graham, Jack

    Gray, John

    Jakes, T.D.

    Lacado, Max

    Laurie, Greg

    Osteen, Joel

    Prince, Joseph

    Reaves, Herb

    Reeve, Jim

    Schneider, Rabbi K.A.

    Shook, Kerry

    Stanley, Charles

    Thompson, Dwight

    Youseff, Michael

    If you read the Bible and watch the pastors and the rabbi above, you will soon be able tell those who speak the truth from those who bend the truth or lie outright.

    AVOID the following TV preachers.

    Bakker, Jim

    Popoff, Peter

    Roberts, Richard

    Robertson, Pat

    Swaggart, Jimmy

    Tifton, Robert

    AVOID ALL THESE ON THEIR TV PROGRAM CALLED “CAMP MEETING” as they will als ways ask for a $1000.00 seed or some such rot..

    THEY ARE:

    Bloomer, George

    Cerullo, David

    Coontz, Todd)

    Grillo, Jerry A

    Martin, Dave

    Munsey, Steve

    Murdoch, Mike Martin, Dave Murphy and Terrell L.

    Oritsejafor, Ayo

    Parsley, Rod

    Smith, Jr., John W.

    Stone, Perry

    The “name it and claim it” or “prosperity gospel” is not biblical and is in many ways antithetical to the true gospel message and the clear teaching of Scripture. Jesus did not come to give us health, wealth and happiness now. He came to save us from our sins so that we can have an eternity of bliss with Him. Following Christ is not a ticket to all the material things men desire in this life but a ticket to eternal life. Our desire should not be to have our best life now but to have the attitude of the apostle Paul, who had learned to
    be content “in whatever state I am” (Philippians 4:11).

    The following are “name it and claim it” teachers. AVOID them.

    Kenneth and Gloria Copeland

    Creflo & Taffy Dollar

    Jesse Duplantis

    Pope Francis

    John Hagee

    Matthew Hagee

    Kenneth Hagin

    Benny Hinn

    Sid Roth

    Oprah Winfrey (New Age)

    Avoid any preachers or evangelists who ask you to send them your money, unless they ask that you give to your church first. Avoid any who sell Holy water, prayer cloths and other trinkets with supposed financial or physical healing properties.

    Be careful of those who speak in tongues on TV for they are often fakes who know the Bible, but preach it for their financial benefit. They bend the word of God. Paul warned us to not speak publicly in tongue in church in 1 Corinthians 14. That seems equally applicable for those on TV. An occasional word or 2 in tongue by a TV preacher may be OK.

    Here is one of Paul’s verses about NOT speaking in tongue in church.

    I Corinthians 14:18-19 “I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than you all: Yet IN THE CHURCH I had rather speak five words with my UNDERSTANDING, that by my voice I might teach OTHERS also, than ten thousand MEANINGLESS words in an unknown tongue”.

    Also, in the New Testament, the meaning of “tongue”, singular,
    and “tongues”, plural, is different. I’ll let you research that on
    you own.

  • Trump made a joke and the liberal, homosexual and Hillary Clinton loving liberal media jumped all over it.

    As I said, let’s forget about Trump and Clinton. Your soul is far more important.

    I am done. Good night and goodbye. I’ve written all I intend to write. The rest is between you and God.

  • Can we stop calling Trump a Presbyterian? I can call myself a Boy Scout but if I do not hold membership in the Boy Scouts, I am not one. Trump does not hold an active membership in the Presbyterian Church. Baptism as an infant in the Presbyterian Church does not make one an adult member. And a “regular attender” at Marble Collegiate? — this is what that church said:

    “Donald Trump has had a longstanding history with Marble Collegiate Church, where his parents were for years active members and one of his children was baptized. However, as he indicates, he is a Presbyterian, and is not an active member of Marble,” the statement said. http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/28/politics/donald-trump-church-member/

    Meaning, they assumed he was a Presbyterian, and they don’t see much of him either.

    Here is the Presbyterian Church’s official statement:

    “There is no factual evidence that Mr. Trump currently holds membership in any local congregation.”

    https://www.pcusa.org/news/2015/12/11/pcusa-stated-clerk-responds-questions-trumps-membe/
    And I’m not too sure about the Bible collection either.

  • Yep, I used to rape every chance I got. Then I found a Bible and all has been forgiven. Yes, those victims will never be the same but at least I can sleep soundly at night knowing I get to spend eternity in heaven.

  • Preach brother! I sinned everyday for 42 years. Ruined many innocent lives but then I found God and all was forgiven.

  • Why don’t these people understand? We are right, they are wrong. End of discussion. It doesn’t matter what you do with your life as long as before you die, you truly ask for forgiveness and then all is good.

  • If that’s the truth, you should be in prison.

    Your comments indicate that this discussion is far too deep
    for you so for you and other simpletons, I recommend something on your level.

    Watch the following TV shows and you will see liars like
    Hillary Clinton, fornicators, adulterers, homosexuals, transgenders, thieves, prostitutes, drug addicts, drunkards, and swindlers.

    1. Cops

    2. Judge Mathis

    3. Judge Judy

    4. Jail

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the
    unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

  • That doesn’t agree with your other lying comments.

    You have heard of God.

    You are without excuse.

    “Romans 1;20 “For since the creation of the world God’s
    invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that PEOPLE ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE.”

    You should be very afraid of hell. Jesus didn’t even save the fallen angels, so why should Jesus save you?

    Revelation 12:9 “that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.”

    Jude 6 “And I remind you of the angels who did not stay within the limits of authority God gave them but left the place where they
    belonged. God has kept them securely chained in prisons of darkness, waiting for the great day of judgment.

    2 Peter 2:4 “For if God did not spare angels when they
    sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them in chains of darkness to be held for judgment.”

  • Wow, you’re really good at copy and paste. Hillary does not ‘encourage’ homosexuality or abortion. You are quite delusional.

  • Yep, there you go with the copy and paste again. It looks like you can’t comment without copy and paste. Not only from this article but also with Bible scripture. You have a mind, use it. Have an original thought for once. One that you don’t copy and paste for pity sake.

  • The family of one of the Benghazi victims even tells everyone to not blame Hillary. The mother says that Hillary is not to blame, period. If she doesn’t blame Hillary then who am I to blame her? People want a fall guy. And people want reasons to hate Hillary. Yes, Hillary has her downfalls but don’t we all? If we were in the public eye we would all have skeletons in our closets that we wouldn’t want the public to see. I’m seriously at a loss as to how this egotistical, lying racist got elected. She would have won if it were based on the popular vote. I just don’t get it. He is a reality tv star for Pete’s sake!!! UGH! We are in for a world of hurt!

  • Of course he has endorsed them. Donald was sleeping with a Playboy model while married to Melania the NE paid the model 150K to keep the story quiet. Lots and lots of money buys silence. He is busom buddies with the owner of the NE. Two pieces of garbage.

  • Thank you. The copy and paste tells the story better than I can. Apparently you are too lazy and self-centered to tell the truth. In fact you are too self-centered to believe the doctors and scientists at the Center for Disease Control and warn homosexuals and warn
    hetrosexuals with multiple partners the truth.

    Until you learn to use the internet for something besides inane comments, put the words below in all capital letters in the search field of Yahoo or Google, search and read. I copied and pasted them:

    1. RECORD NUMBER OF LGBT DELEGATES AT DEMOCRATIC CONVENTION

    2. SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES | GAY AND BISEXUAL MEN’S HEALTH | CDC

    3. WHICH SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED INFECTIONS CAN LESBIAN WOMEN GET?

    4. HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLE EXTREMELY VIOLENT

    5. GAY LIFE EXPECTANCY 20 YEARS SHORTER

    6. HILLARY’S RADICAL SUPPORT FOR ABORTION

    7. 2016 US ABORTION Facts‎

    Kellie M, during 2010–2014, an estimated 56,000,000 induced abortions in the United States alone.

    8. CLINTON BACKS ‘OPEN TRADE, ‘OPEN BORDERS’ IN A
    SPEECH TO GLOBALIST BANKERS

    9. HILLARY CLINTON: U.S. SHOULD TAKE 65,000 SYRIAN REFUGEES

    10. PSYCHIATRIST: TRANSGENDER IS ‘MENTAL DISORDER

    11. GENDER DYSPHORIA – DSM-5

    Kellie M, Psychiatrists identify the mental disorder of transgenders as GENDER DYSPHORIA.

  • Before you join the sore losers who are rioting, looting stores and killing police officers, consider the following: Don’t repay evil for
    evil. Don’t retaliate with insults when people insult you. Instead, pay them back with a blessing. That is what God has called you to do, and he will grant you his blessing” (1 Peter 3:9)

  • Good morning. I would have responded sooner, but there are
    many homosexuals, atheists, Muslims and unpatriotic people who voted for Hillary who are disappointed, and like you, they complain to me. Also, I have a life other than dealing with homosexuals, atheists, Muslims and unpatriotic people. So I went to the store and then read for a while and then went to bed as usual and, voila, when I woke up I had another splendidly immature message from you.

    But you will never learn unless you read or hear the Bible. As
    God says in it, Romans 10:17 “So faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.”

    Leviticus 18:22 “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13,”If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act;
    they shall surely be put to death. Their blood-guiltness is upon them.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; NEITHER
    FORNICATORS, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, NOR HOMOSEXUALS, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    Romans 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to
    degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is UNNATURAL, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing INDECENT ACTS and receiving in their own persons the due penalty
    of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

    Jesus Christ is quoted in Matthew 19:4 as saying that God
    created people “in the beginning” as MALE AND FEMALE, AND THAT MARRIAGE IS THE UNION OF ONE MAN AND ONE WOMAN joined together as “one flesh.”

    Jesus Christ is also quoted in Matthew 19:4-5 “4 And he answered and said unto them, ‘Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them MALE AND FEMALE, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and SHALL CLEAVE TO HIS WIFE: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Christ used the destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah
    as dramatic examples of God’s wrath.

    Mark 6:11 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a
    testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for SODOM AND GOMORRAH in the day of judgment, than for that city.”

    Luke 17:29 “But the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.”

    HILLARY CLINTON had 2 methods of birth control. (1) homosexuality and (2) abortion.

  • I think Christians should be very skeptical of this man. Yes he went to church after the election but how is his church attendance now….I think he is the devil in sheeps clothing. Why don’t we hear anything else about his church attendance….looking at his appearance on the howard stern show I think that shows his true nature….disgusting….I don’t buy it…

  • I also grew up presbyterian and you do have to take classes but I remember every election year there were always a few politicians that would start showing up for church. Truth is I do not care what religion he is , his children are a credit to him. I do not know many families that are large as his that do not have a wayward child causing them all kinds of trouble. Hillary and Bill CLinton have no morals anymore and their daughter Chelsea is quoted as saying she left the church when she was 6 because they were against abortion. Please come on what six year old has those type of thoughts? The Clinton’s are rotten to the core!

  • I would assume that all you posters, from the first to last, are Christian?

    Just listen to yourselves. To me, it reads as if you are all frauds of your faith.

  • if any of his kids had caused ANY trouble,,,(I mean besides legally blowing away close to endangered wildlife in their tracks for a head to hang on the golden walls) Do you actually think you`d know about it? Money…lot`s of money does a good job hiring the best of cover ups!

  • What makes you think FLGuy01 supported Clinton? You exhibit your own myopathy by saying he does when nothing in his post says anything of the kind. When you point a finger someone, the rest of your fingers are pointing back at you. I didn’t support or vote for her myself, and FLGuy may not have either.

    That said, I certainly didn’t vote for the man mismanaging the highest office in the land at this very moment. Example of the level of chaos he’s creating in running things is signing the travel ban Exec Order on a Friday night and not having any prepared procedures or protocols for the border guards who have to enforce them. Pretty basic stuff for running a business or a government, but he left our hard-working border people to deal with the mess over an entire weekend.
    Can’t wait for his next Tweet. He proves himself incompetent with nearly every one.

  • Who cares what denomination you choose to fellowship with, a denomination can not save you, only your personal relationship with Jesus Christ can save you and belief on Him alone. Do you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ? Every one needs to!

  • Don’t put on FB if you have to subscribe in order to read. There is already too much everyone have to subscribe to and sign up, blah, blah,blah. I do FB for fun and read this stuff for pleasure and don’t need all this kind of crap to deal with…takes all the good and fun out of it
    And won’t read it….not that important. So no thanks and goodbye.

  • so you agree that Trump IS a liar, a con artist etc? But other people are too so that makes it OK? Sorry am not following your logic

  • Re >>Trump in heaven>>
    The rest of the population of heaven will leave, quickly. It will be just The donald up there …with God the Father who is not real happy with this out of bounds kid of His.

  • Evangelical pastors are praying with Trump in the White House. Obviously you do not know what God thinks. Try reading the Bible and praying. It works for me.

  • Re Not needing to ask for forgiveness.. Because he knows he does not deseve it nor will he get it..

  • Abd then we have the adult male predators,…including some very highly placed men –how do you explain that? Do as U say not as U do?

  • I have no reason to explain anything as it appears you can use the internet and can do research on your own. Your laziness is not my problem. The Bible explains all forms of sin including male predators. Are you inferring that it is alright to be a homosexual because there are male predators?

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