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Are evangelicals expecting too much from a Trump presidency?

President-elect Donald Trump, right, and Vice President-elect Mike Pence clasp hands at their post-election rally in New York City on Nov. 9, 2016. Photo courtesy of Reuters/Mike Segar

WASHINGTON (RNS) Had evangelical Christians stayed home on Election Day – “or if the Rapture occurred” – Donald Trump would have lost the 2016 presidential election by a landslide, according to Ralph Reed, founder and chairman of the Faith & Freedom Coalition.

As it is, white evangelicals made up a little more than a quarter of those who turned out to cast their ballots. And by winning 81 percent of their vote, Trump was assured the presidency.

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Now, evangelicals are expecting much in return from a president-elect who did not mention God in his victory speech, who was “strongly” in favor of abortion rights until he was against them, who has said he does not believe in repentance, who has made lewd comments admitting to sexual assault.

Ralph Reed speaks at the National Press Club about the evangelical vote on Nov. 9, 2016. RNS photo by Jerome Socolovsky

Ralph Reed speaks at the National Press Club about the evangelical vote on Nov. 9, 2016. RNS photo by Jerome Socolovsky

“When it comes to his very strong statements on life, on support for Israel, on the Iran nuclear deal, on religious freedom and on judges, we fully expect him to keep his pledge … to the American people,” Reed said Wednesday (Nov. 9) at the National Press Club in Washington.

“And based on my interaction with Donald Trump, I have found him to be somebody who, when he says he’s going to do something, he does it.”

In a speech last month at Liberty University, where President Jerry Falwell Jr. was an early and vocal supporter of Trump’s candidacy, Reed laid out the evangelical case for the then-Republican presidential nominee: chiefly, his turnaround on abortion, his pledge to appoint conservative Supreme Court judges and his expressed support for religious liberty.

Those are themes evangelicals echoed in discussing their support for — and expectations of — the president-elect both before and after Tuesday’s election results were in.

In the days before the election, Franklin Graham stressed that evangelicals were concerned about who would fill the Supreme Court vacancy left by the late Justice Antonin Scalia.

“I think this election is not about his potty mouth or her missing emails,” Graham told RNS on Thursday (N0v. 3).

“It comes down to the Supreme Court, and who do you trust to appoint to the Supreme Court? Hillary Clinton says she will appoint progressives, and basically progressives are people that are atheists.”

After the vote, Ronnie Floyd, senior pastor of Cross Church in Arkansas, called Trump’s releasing a list of possible nominees for Scalia’s seat a “brilliant” move.

Floyd, a past president of the Southern Baptist Convention and a member of Trump’s evangelical advisory committee, said he believes that within Trump’s first few days in office, he will nominate somebody who is “very conservative, a strict constitutionalist,” to the court.

“The first 100 days he is president, I think he will think about this: Mr. Trump’s going to think, ‘I’m a business leader, I’ve been given a job, I’m going to get this job done,'” he said.

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Anti-abortion activists expect a Trump presidency to defund Planned Parenthood and strengthen the Hyde Amendment, a provision that limits certain federal funding for abortions and which the Democratic platform this year wanted to repeal.

Penny Nance of Concerned Women for America Legislative Action Committee said she did not support Trump in the primary, but overcoming “the rockiness in our relationship” had helped Trump understand them better.

“Now, with clarity, we can stand up and say, ‘This is what he thinks on our core issues,’ ‘This is what he has agreed to.’ He has agreed to pro-life justices and judges. He has agreed to the Hyde Amendment when Hillary Clinton said the opposite. He understands that we want to shift funding from the nation’s largest abortion provider,” she said.

Marjorie Dannenfelser of Susan B. Anthony List said the anti-abortion rights movement has been re-energized since the last election through grass-roots efforts.

“That’s why we’re poised to really believe all of the very specific promises that Donald Trump made,” she told reporters in Washington.

Evangelicals also expect Trump will not require businesses to serve LGBT customers, said Michael Wear, who did faith outreach for President Obama’s re-election campaign.

The Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, president of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, said, “The idea that the evangelical community was walking in lockstep with anything and everything Trump said and did is totally erroneous.”

At the same time, Rodriguez said evangelicals have an “unbridled spirit of expectancy” that the president-elect will act on the issues that matter to them.

“I really do believe that 81 percent — that evangelical, unbelievable turnout — was critical for his victory, but … the evangelical community is not there to rubber-stamp President Trump’s administration or policy.”

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Emily McFarlan Miller is a national reporter for RNS based in Chicago. She covers evangelical and mainline Protestant Christianity.

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  • Just by defeating Hillary Clinton, that’s worth four or five promises’ worth of free credit all by itself.

  • What they are interested in is power, money, and dominion.

    His mOrals,or lack of same, have nothing to do with it.

  • I don’t even need to read the article to observe, that if Evangelicals have high expectations about the political capital they have earned by supporting Mr. Trump, they are both naïve and bound to be disappointed. Rather than place their confidence in the president-elect, they should be praying that he receive and accept guidance from God.

  • Just replacing Scalia is not enough. One more justice needs to be replaced and things can definitely change regarding abortion. Same with gay marriage and lgbt rights. If the federal courts don’t deal with it then the state laws will stand. Also they can refuse to deal with or uphold separation of church and state and let the status quo remain and not interfere with states who want to teach creationism. But even Scalia suprised the right a few times because of his stand as a Constitutionalist.

    Plus Trump can rescind Obama’s executive orders dealing with issues near and dear to christian conservatives.

  • Can someone please set the religious establishment straight in the absurd notion that this or any election is only about conservative judges on SCOTUS in order to insure a reversal in Roe v Wade? Since 1950 there have been 17 Republican court appointees and only 8 Democratic appointees. In 1973, (the year of Roe v Wade) there were 6 sitting Republican appointees and 3 Democratic appointees on SCOTUS.

    OK – perhaps Eisenhower, Nixon and Ford weren’t “conservative” enough for their appointees to count for anything. So let’s look at the same numbers from the moment the Moral Majority first made the reversal of Roe v Wade the preeminent litmus test in American politics. Since 1980 there have been 7 Republican appointees and only 4 Democratic appointees. At no time was the 1973 ruling ever in serious jeopardy of being overturned. In that timeframe there have been 20 years of conservative, christian, Presidential leadership, appointing 7 Justices. Now the same morality police want us to believe that this President-Elect has the moral compass to steer the High Court into doing the bidding of the religious right when neither their ideological hero, Reagan or their confessing, born-again, favorite-philosopher-quoting-Jesus – GW Bush couldn’t get the job done.

    So knowing the history and numbers, Ralph Reed, Franklin Graham, Robert Jeffress, and countless other feckless, pharisaical, frauds have led many devout Christ-followers to believe that it’s okay to vote for a vulgar, narcissistic, misogynistic, bigoted, xenophobic bully with all the horrific political and sociological implications that come with those character flaws – in the very outside chance one SCOTUS decision can be overturned.

    As a follower of Christ I am outraged. I’m not outraged by The Donald’s candidacy, or even by him winning. I am outraged by the lack of thoughtful and humble Christian leadership in this country. I’m outraged by the silence of those conservative voices who did oppose his candidacy and who left lone voices like Russell Moore’s blowing in the wind.

    I am outraged that American Christianity has abandoned the priorities of their Christ. This Christ Who came for the guilty not for the innocent; this Christ Who commanded us to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, visit the imprisoned and infirmed; this Christ Who called us to love our enemy and to turn the other cheek; this Christ Who called us to take up our cross and follow Him.

    As of yesterday – I am a #postevangelical. My money and time will continue to go to the poor and my friends in prison. I will not support in word or financially – what did Christ call them? – these vipers.

  • Replacing Scalia with another Scalia leaves us with the same court makeup. A Kennedy based majority for fiscal conservative issues and social liberal issues.

  • ““And based on my interaction with Donald Trump, I have found him to be
    somebody who, when he says he’s going to do something, he does it.”


    Ralphie, why don’t you tell that to Trump’s former investors, employees, contractors who did work for him or ex-wives! Trump has never made a statement he couldn’t weasel out of or flip-flop on. He has never kept his word to anyone.

    Evangelicals either got played or are desperate to cling to anybody. None of their candidates in the GOP primary could muster decent numbers. They were stuck with a guy who didn’t give one iota about their agenda. Trump knew they weren’t going to vote Democrat if Jesus himself ran under that party.

  • Dear Evangelicals,
    You have elected a vulgar, unrepentant conman who has been unfaithful in all phases and aspects of his life, except to himself. What are you going to do when you realize he has gotten what he wants from you, and you received nothing? You will reap what you sow, that’s what you will do.

  • Good for you.

    As I said below,

    What they are interested in is power, money, and dominion.

    His morals, or lack of same, have nothing to do with it.

  • Reed did not destroy his “Christian” credibility by supporting the pres-elect like F Graham did. Reed did that long, long ago. Now he’s simply a power loving political operative who uses religion as a tool, as are the other “Christians” who trashed their credibility by supporting a misogynist, lying, racist, sexual predator bully. FGraham, Dobson, Jeffress, Falwell, etc. Shame, shame, shame.

  • That would be the true Christian thing to do. But those guys have been pretty clear that religion is simply a means to an end.

  • Excellent and courageous comment Dan. The best thing that can happen to evangelicalism is more voices like yours.

    I say that because evangelicalism has done many, many good things in the world. I’d like to see that continue. Evangelicals need to reclaim their roots and focus.

  • Do you really think that your idealized Trump conservative SCOTUS would simply decide to take away rights already given? On what grounds would that be based? And do you really want our country’s government to be based on an “Indian-giving” (pardon the term) process where one president gives and the next one takes back? Eventually, those things they give and take back will more directly affect you or your people, so be careful what you wish for. I think the view you expressed above tends to answer the article’s question of “Are evangelicals expecting too much from a Trump presidency?” with a resounding YES.

  • Trump is not fit to shine the shoes of Washington, Jefferson, Lincoln, Roosevelt or Obama. He shames our country. Clinton won the popular vote but was cheated out of the White House by the outdated flawed Electoral College.

  • I voted for Clinton. I was pointing out that adding new justices to the SCOTUS is not going solve the evangelical’s problems.

  • Apologies…I misinterpreted the voice of your comment. I do think that many Trump voters believe–and Clinton voters fear–that there will be attempts to reverse those rulings, which seems unrealistic. In other words, I agree.

  • Thank you,Her Leftness!! The fact of the matter is, Graham,Dobson,Jeffries, have turned America into an idol at whose political altar they now worship,mewling about “taking America back” to some fantasy era that NEVER EXISTED!!?. The United States of America has NEVER been a”christian nation”, whatever that even means; there’s never been any such entity. There are only nations and countries in which Christians live. The presence of my ancestors( Displaced Africans) and the wanton destruction of the Native Peoples make a blatant lie out of the so-called “christian america” concept. Don’t misunderstand me,please: I love America,and wouldn’t want to live anywhere else…but I live in the real world, not some pseudo-“christian” fantasy world. PEACE IN CHRIST , ,ALWAYS!!?.

  • Trump pivots so many time, that he is probably dizzy. I hope that if he attempts to load the SCOTUS with right wing nuts that he will be faced with a filibuster, from the Democrats. Oh, but on the other hand, he may pivot, once again and nominate moderate to liberal justices. HOORAY
    To RBG: Please, please, stay healthy and cogent and remain on that SCOTUS. RBG, I love you, as do millions of others.

  • Hmm. So now we’re “Post-Evangelical”, are we? Well, okay. Honestly there’s no reason for us “Evangelicals” to go to war with you about it. (At least not for the next four years, eh?)

    May your financial and time investments to help the poor and the incarcerated in Christ’s name, seriously prosper and multiply with Christ’s help, and bring many desperately-needed blessings to all the people that you’re ministering to. No sarcasm, no joke, no disrespect there.

    But I’m not gonna lie to you — that “viper” and “fraud” and “pharisee” Franklin Graham, has fed a whole lot more poor people (via Samaritan’s Purse) than **you** have.

    He’s been very focused and intentional about getting food to hungry people. So you’ll need to work VERY hard from now on, in order to beat Graham’s time.

    By the way, I selected Graham’s example because it was **his** explanation regarding Hillary and Trump that helped me decide who to accept or reject. I’ll just close on that note:

  • That is an invalid argument. As a voting citizen I have every right to weigh in on a legal issue. I am pro-choice, by the way.

  • No my fault. I try to look at things from the other side or as a devil’s advocate and it sometimes works too well.

  • Funny how your lady Hillary (and all her shills in the national media) never ONCE complained about the Electoral College prior to the election. In fact they all loved the Electoral College.

    In fact, everybody **enjoyed** the fact that Hillary had “multiple paths to victory”, while Trump had next to none or just plain none. Everybody had a good ole time, laughing at Trump’s virtually non-existent Electoral College chances.

    So how come you’re no longer laughing, Edd?

  • Thank you for being willing to engage on this. Let me be clear. There would never be a reason for you to go to war with me over my decision to no longer identify with your Evangelical group. It is with a great amount of grief that I make this decision after 57 years of serving in this community. Your use of the word “war” with regard to our seeming disagreement is just more confirmation that your group and I do not read scripture in the same way and therefore I should no longer identify.

    I understand that Rev. Graham didn’t endorse Mr. Trump – but it was his comments on the issue of the Judiciary that was a clear signal to his followers which way he would have them vote. But as I laid out the case above, that is historically a moot point.

    As far as Rev. Graham feeding more people than I have, I would have no wish to challenge that statement, as feeding the poor has never been a contest. What I do know, is that Rev. Graham’s part-time job as the CEO of Samaritan’s Purse (he is also the CEO of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association) has made him a very wealthy man. His salary from Samaritan’s Purse alone is $622,000 a year which is a sum 2x what other CEOs of large non-profits take. In addition to that sum, he also takes a large sum of money from BGEA annually. His total salary is calculated at more than 1.2 million.

    The problem with this is, he takes money from the poor to feed the poor. He takes money from my elderly mother and my disabled sister who both live on fixed incomes with the promise of God’s eternal reward for their support. Yes, he is a fraud and the very definition of a Pharisee from Matthew 23.

  • Hey it WOULD be nice if all the big money folks on the Democrat and GOP sides, would do ALL the funding for Samaritan’s Purse, World Vision, your own ministry, and the many others out there. But it don’t work that way. Never does.

    I can predict for you right now Dan (and I’m no prophet but I know what I’m talkin’ about), that YOU will be soon be very grateful to God for EVERY last plugged nickel that is given to your Food & Prison Ministry, freely donated to you from the impoverished hands of Food Stamp Recipients, and also the Fixed-Income Elderly and Disabled Ladies on Medicare. No joke.

    It won’t be Big-Democrat George Soros or Big-Republican Charles Koch who funds your God-given ministry. Oh-Hell-No. Some of your money will just be the kids with too-small piggybanks who give up a Big Mac for you. And It WILL be the low-income, fixed-income old church mothers and the disabled sisters who put down their cash on YOUR life and ministry, when others won’t.

    Why? Why would God let them sacrifice for YOU instead of the big names? Because they have got real faith, (after all, you’re not the object of their gifts, GOD is!). God helps them. And for you, Christ may allow it in order to really boost your faith, by forcing you to pray like a mangy-hide dog every day for your ministry needs. (Very helpful faith technique, according to rumor.)

    And here’s another secret: if you DO succeed in this great venture, and the media starts writing good things about you, watch out for SOME folks to start asking about you taking poor people’s money. So Consider well!

  • Two huge things Evangelicals overlooked on Trump in their rush to proclaim him as their political savior:

    1. He’s repeatedly declared himself a “businessman who negotiates deals”. What part of that speaks to banning abortion and stripping gay people of their Constitutional rights?

    2. He has no moral core or moral principles. How hilarious is it that he conveniently “found God” right before he decided to run for President? Exactly how gullible are Evangelicals?

    I bet you any money that Evangelicals are gonna be crying bitter tears of sadness when Trump betrays them on social/religious issues. Hide and watch.

  • Yes, but God is greater, I do not doubt the sincerity of the bulk of evangelicals, as to those who are working towards their own ends they can and will be defeated if they are functioning outside God’s will in the end. But you and I are both sincere and committed believers, yet we have substantially different perspectives on a number of issues, despite that we can be cordial and find some areas of convergence. It is my firm belief that prayer can be an effective means to bring understanding and reconciliation in many areas. Even if one disapproves of Mr. Trump as chief executive, is he not still in need of our prayers. As I write this, anti-Trumpers are rioting not thirty miles from me in Portland. Is this the response we can continue to expect from the Left in their disappointment…a temper tantrum which results in the destruction of the private property of one of the most left leaning cities in the nation. That’s like burning your own house down around your ears. If I sound a little irritated, pardon me, but I do not understand how violence functions as a proper response to a political disaffection which has yet to be validated by the yet future actions of the president elect. Until we face the types of oppression that is common in other parts of the world, we should keep our powder dry as it were.

  • I have become more convinced that putting our hope in political processes to achieve spiritual aims is a virtual dead end, whether from the Right or the Left. In a sense Evangelical is a mere semantical term which covers a broad range of perspectives among Christians. I identify as such based on the biblical use of the term, that is one who wishes to share the Good News that Christ died to save sinners…and we are all sinners. I hope that you can come this far with me.

  • I’m sorry if I misled you to think that I have set up a non-profit ministry and am soliciting funds for any reason. I have not and do not solicit funds from others to do the work for which God has called us all. I’m not looking to succeed in some great venture rather I am seeking be faithful with what I’ve been given. In my lifetime, I’ve had to pray like a mangy-hide dog for my own needs, so that does not bother me to think that I may one day have to do that again.

    I think this string has left the original intent of my post so I will leave it here, wishing you well as you work out your own salvation.

  • Thank you for your kind and thoughtful comment. I agree wholeheartedly with your first statement that the idolatry of politics – Right or Left – is a dead end. I however, no longer hold that the use of the word “evangelical” can vary depending on context. Like much of our lexicon today “evangelical” has been redefined and appropriated for other uses.

    As an example of words being redefined – I know of no heterosexual today that would identify themselves as “gay” even though the original use of the word would identify that person as “joyful.” That’s because the word “gay” has been redefined and made to be an identifier of a specific group of people. Likewise, “evangelical” has been appropriated to identify a political mindset rather than a person who shares the Good News of Christ.

    I feel a close kinship with anyone who shares the love of Christ in word and deed. I would much rather be known as a sinner – as you identified above – than as an evangelical given the context of the last 36 years of political discourse.

  • As usual the evangelicals have it backwards: They need to increase their prayers and petitions that God will work on President-elect Trump’s heart, to lead him to truly align his campaign promises to his actual deeds. Given how Trump is an outsider and new to politics, it would certainly be truly novel among politians. It might even catch on!

  • Spuddle, Hilliary Clinton’s corrupt baggage with the Clinton Foundation, pretty much guaranteed that voters were sure Jesus wasn’t camping out anywhere near that party!

  • Bringing up Clinton’s corruption and ignoring Trump’s far worse actions is like firing Cheech and Chong for their drug use and then hiring the cast of Trainspotting as a replacement.

    There were plenty of people named Jesus camping around the democrats. 🙂

    Seriously, show me anything related to the Clinton Foundation which matched using the Trump Foundation to pay off a personal lawsuit settlement. 🙂

  • There’s plenty of evidence that the Clintons have used funds from the foundation to pay for extravagant travel and living it up on the tax-free dime! Thank God their influence-peddling is coming to an end with Hilliary’s loss of the presidency Their speaking fees will now settle down to around $75,000 per speech–what less-corrupt politicians are getting! With a little bit of luck that should sustain them adequately in the manner to which they have become accustomed.

    It’s Veterans’ Day, a holiday everywhere today, so we understand how you’ve got all this extra time on your hands. I would suggest you get some rest and let your brain and keyboard catch up with your colon!

  • Wise words, Lefty-herness! It’s like Hilliary Clinton and all the other politicians, whether Democrat or Republican.

  • We can! We can! I’ve argued here for a year or more, that political entanglements for the Christian are a wasted of good time and energy. Elegantly said, Mr. Borges-Silva.

    Happy Veterans Day!

  • And that “flawed Electoral College” has been functioning the same way since we ratified the Constitution. Everyone knew the game going in, and they managed their campaign cash and travels accordingly.

    Hilliary Clinton may not even have won the popular vote. It’s well known that she hated the Electoral Collage, and if she had been elected she would have quietly changed the system to elect presidents strictly by popular vote. That would guarantee a Democrat president in perpetuity, as they could easily amass a majority from as few as 12-15 major cities.

    No recent president can shine the shoes of Washington, Jefferson, et all.(Trump would simply contract out that job to the best shoe-shiner he can find!) It would be rather hard to shine Obama’s shoes, as he’s scuffed them up so badly, kneeling in front of dictators and despots around the world, begging their forgiveness for America’s evil role in fighting wars that kept other nations free! Is it any wonder that the world is in much worse turmoil than when Obama took office?

  • I said show me. As for speaking fees, you are criticizing something done by all political figures on both sides of the fence. It is not evidence of wrongdoing. Not like using a charity to pay off personal debts. Not even close.

    Were you going to get all annoyed over Sara Palin’s current career as a public speaker? Of course not. Nor would you criticize any other politician doing the exact same thing.

    Maybe you should take a less hypocritical and ignorant line of argument. I suggest maybe you should educate yourself more on the guy you helped elect to president before singing his praises. Have a nice veterans day.

  • Quietly changed the system?

    That would Require a constitutional amendment. There is no way to do do that quietly.

    Mr. Obama inherited the mess that shrub left. To blame him for it is simple blindness.

  • That’s a really weak response! Now go take my advice before you make yourself look like a really out-of-touch Hilliary Clinton shill! There just ain’t no future in it!

  • Dude, Hillary Clinton is gone. Now you are stuck with defending the MERITS of Weasel Haired Cheeto-American. Have fun with that.

    The fact that you thought Clinton’s foibles were worth mentioning in light of Trump’s more obvious ones doesn’t speak well for your sense of perspective. There are far less ignorant arguments you could have been making, but didn’t.

    I am actually glad Clinton is out of the spotlight once and for all. Good riddance. She was the elephant in the room for the DNC. Now the party Progressive wing can show some ambition without being obstructed by the last remnants of Clintonian kowtowing to the right.

    So what was so great about Trump anyway? I am all ears.

  • “…putting our hope in political processes to achieve spiritual aims is a virtual dead end.”

    It’s supposed to be that way by design.

  • I think it’s an interesting idea to only allow those who could become pregnant weigh in on the abortion issue. My guess is that the result would be overwhelmingly pro-choice.

  • En realidad Sabelotodo no sabe nada de nada.Trump was right about only one thing: the election was fixed, fixed by Republican politicians suppressing the votes of minorities. Hillary, with all her faults, won the popular vote over the least well qualified candidate in US history. The electoral college is an outdated, harmful relic of the 18th century.

  • Edward, I wouldn’t classify the protests as tantrums. (BTW, they are happening here in Minneapolis too.) There is genuine fear among POC. Latinas worry that their student visas will be rescinded. Muslims fear they will be deported based on their religion. Children born here of immigrant families are fearful that their families will be torn apart.

    These are all things the president- elect has pledged to do, so there is real basis for those fears. In addition, Black Americans worry about greater discrimination and police violence. Incidents of racial and religious violence against POC and non Christians has already increased.

    To be sure, these issues do not mean that the pres-elect will foster discrimination based on religion or skin color, but their fears are legitimate.

  • Socialist/Marxist protesters rioting in Portland–how novel! Don’t forget to pray for those poor, delsuional individuals alongside of Trump!

  • Believe it or not I have done so; or rather I have prayed that God will send angelic agents to counter the influence of the spiritual minions of Satan influencing and encouraging them. Among skeptics I fully expect to get the Raspberry for my belief in both angels and demons, but as the bible treats the existence of both as a distinct reality, so do I. The irony is that the S/M protestors to which you refer live in a haven of the same. Nothing like pulling your own house down around your ears. As a native Portlander for most of my life, I’m happy to live at a short geographical remove, though as a city Portland is in fact quite beautiful in it’ s setting along the Willamette River.

  • I think we will find that there will be a difference between campaign rhetoric and reality. Already Mr. Trump is hedging on changing certain aspects of the ACA, chiefly the question of children remaining on their parent’s policies until they are 26 years of age, and the issue of pre-existing conditions, both of which provisions of the Act I support. He appears also to be backtracking on “The Wall.” Not to mention we still have a Congress and Federal judiciary. I wish that I could offer more arguments to assuage other’s fears, but these I think are sound.

  • I do not understand your point, unless you are referring obliquely to the US Constitution as you understand it.

  • I understand your point, but I want to reclaim the term on behalf of it’s original intent. Cheers.

  • I agree Edward. I think there is a great deal the pres-elect promised that will not come about. I fear many of his supporters will be very disappointed in their choice. That does not please me as I dislike seeing anyone taken advantage of.

    I am not nearly as concerned as many of my colleagues. The US has survived a great deal in 240+ year and I believe it will continue. I did not support the gloom and doom prophecies of either side.

    My greatest concern is the recent immigrants from the Middle East. They’ve endured such trauma already due to living in the midst of a horrific war zone. They are understandably much more prone to high levels of fear. They’re really struggling and I’m trying to offer support whenever I can.

  • I’m guessing that Jesus Christ himself could never convince you that there’s anything good–or even any potentially good, about Donald Trump. Weasel-Haired Cheto-American? Mr. Spuddle, you’ve just advertised the fact that you’ve been reduced to name-calling! That’s all that’s left after you’ve lost every argument here.

    Get some rest this weekend, and make another effort on Monday!

  • Bien se yo que 29% de los Latios eran en lado de Trump, y probablemente eran el aspecto que hecho la diferencia en este eleccion!

    Que sabe Ud.?

  • No se nada de nada? Bien se que Hilliary knew the game when she went in. So the election is “fixed” against her? Did you miss the fact that with all her billions in attack ads and fawning liberal press, she somehow failed to inspire and mobilize her natural constituencies and the old Obama coalition, to go to the polls and vote for her? That’s pretty weak stuff you’re offering up here! Talk about an irrational, sore loser calling someone else ignorant!

    Necesitamos tiempo para que Ud. y Hilliary puede aprender lo que no sabia, durante esta eleccion.

  • The only time Jesus Christ is logically mentioned with Donald Trump is when people exclaim, “Jesus Christ!, Donald Trump is an (expletive of choice)”

    As for the name calling, I am simply addressing him at the level he has been used to doing himself.

  • Trump pivots so many times it keeps everyone off balance. That explains its usefulness to him. Look at what he most recently said about Obamacare. He is now going to keep at least some key features of it. Nobody even expects him to be consistent. This leaves him an enormous scope to do what suits him at the moment.

    Similarly, I am sure he will appoint to the Supreme Court the ones he wants to appoint, and I doubt that overturning Roe Vs Wade is going to be his top priority. The idea that he will be bound by what he said – or appeared to have said – to Evangelical and Catholic voters is a delusion.

  • So you’re admitting it was that easy for him to drag you down to his level?! You don’t have the spiritual strength to rise about that, and “go high,” as Michelle Obama counsels?

    You should stop before you get any farther behind here.

  • You are doing a poor job of demonstrating the merits of our president elect. Too late to play high and mighty now. Time to turn into the skid and embrace the ridiculousness we call our nation right now. 🙂

  • Perfectly understandable. As to his promises, every president once in office discovers that he is not quite so free to do as he pleases as he imagined in the “most powerful office on earth.”

  • Please don’t try to provide me with a history lesson, I’m quite well read on the history of this nation, and the fact that riotous acts are nothing new, I merely point out that on par they are counterproductive to legitimate ends. The recent riots were a function of outrage at the results of a democratically held election. There is a great deal of social evidence that those most prone to riot are those who failed to exercise their franchise. I don’t know who “you folks” are, but President Obama was certainly worthy of our prayers, and I admit that I did not pray for him as often as I should, nor subsequently have I prayed for Mr. Trump as often as he needs it. To your point about riots plausibly serving a legitimate purpose, the events in my neck of the woods did not meet the case.

  • What evidence do you have that I or mine were any part of that display? The answer is: None!

  • Voting is the individual responsibility of the voter, if one is dissuaded from voting merely by fake news, or is influenced so easily in such a matter, then the responsibility lies with them and no one else. RealClear Politics indicates that the cost of the Syrian missile strike cost around 60 million dollars, approximately 1 million per missile; some staggeringly short of your claim of a “billion” dollars.

  • Trump is hardly my favorite politician; quoting Samuel Johnson, “Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” Conversely: Politics is the 1st refuge of a scoundrel.

  • Ralph Reed is a spiritual fraud: telling his supporters that he was opposed to gambling when, in fact, gambling was making him rich. He is in it for the money and loves Trump for his money.

  • I voted for Trump as an anti-Hillary vote. In any case it didn’t matter, Oregon (my home state) went solidly for Hillary. Still, I did not expect him to win. As to incitement, each individual is responsible for their own choices, we are not automatons. Extremism and censorship is common to both the Left and the Right, it’s not a zero sum game.