A wall mural in downtown Las Vegas transforms a pistol into the word "peace."

The gospel for gun-loving Christians

(David Gungor wrote this post as a guest writer for Jonathan Merritt's column.)

(RNS) — At a church where I used to serve, one of our lead pastors owned an assault rifle. It was a glorious specimen as far as guns go, a black AR-15 type of weapon. The same kind that was just used in Las Vegas.

I remember the day this pastor (and my boss) showed all of “the boys” on our staff the picture of his new weapon mounted on the wall. Amid all of the congratulations, I kept thinking, “How can this be okay?”

From the outside, our church appeared to be obsessed with social justice. Our vision statement was taken straight from Micah 6:8: “Do justice, love mercy, walk humbly.” To make sure no one forgot it, we printed that slogan on bumper stickers, plastered it on coffee mug, totes, and repeated it in front of our congregation with regularity.

And yet, with stunning irony, one of the leaders and pastors of this “justice-obsessed” evangelical mega-church was bragging about owning a powerful weapon that was created for the purpose of killing humans who are made in the image of God. How exactly can someone do justice, love mercy, and walk humbly while carrying a deadly assault rifle? My pastor friend was one of the most empathetic and loving people I knew at the church.  So I had a hard time understanding how could one reconcile the Micah 6:8 message, let alone the Sermon on the Mount or Jesus' life, with the ownership of such a weapon?

Years later, I’ve realized that the tension I experienced in my former congregation is a microcosm of a sweeping problem now facing the American church. I’ve witnessed it firsthand. I grew up an evangelical pastor’s kid and I’ve worked in four churches since I was 18. I’m a full-time musician now, and I’ve led worship at churches all around the country in the last dozen years. Along the way, I’ve witnessed countless Christians who celebrate violence but claim to follow the Prince of Peace.

So what is the gospel for gun-loving Christians?

Our recent history has made this question difficult to answer. After Sandy Hook, a certain part of my American idealism died with the fact that Americans could ignore the issue of gun control. In subsequent tragedies—from San Bernardino to Las Vegas—my idealism has been driven deeper into the grave. Many Christians and proponents of non-violence feel similarly.

In a world of mass murders and school shootings, Christians must find a way to model peacemaking. Amid the darkness and bad news, the human tendency is to self-medicate by stockpiling whatever makes us feel safe and in control. But modeling the Jesus way requires us to dismantle the idols of power and security and fear in our own lives.

There’s no turn-key process for tearing down these strongholds in our lives, but I think the process begins by reminding ourselves of three major themes in the Christian faith:

  • You are not in control: If the Bible teaches us anything, it is that we are not in charge of what happens on this spinning rock called earth. As Proverbs 16:9 says, “In their hearts humans plan their course, but the Lord establishes their steps.” The principle of letting go is found in all great spiritual traditions and it is central to the Christian faith as well.
  • Death is nothing to fear: Humans naturally resist their own finitude and strive for immortality. We are always searching for the fountain of youth. But the Christian way does not seek to escape death. Instead, it centers its hope in a Jesus who chose death and grounds itself in a tradition of martyrs who weren’t afraid to die. Modern Christians would do well to recite the words of Psalm 20:7: “Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the Lord our God.”
  • Love reigns: The entire Christian gospel can be boiled down to this: “God is love.” The very essence of the divine is love, and because of this, Jesus was able to say things like, “love your enemy” and “turn the other cheek” and “those who live by the sword will die by it also.” These words are just as scandalous and difficult to live by today as they were in first century Palestine. Perhaps more so.

In addition to these central themes, the Christian tradition asks us to engage our word with prayer. Indeed, prayer is where spirituality and protest collide. As the late Catholic mystic Henri Nouwen wrote, “Through Prayer we can carry in our heart all human pain and sorrow, all conflicts and agonies, all torture and war, all hunger, loneliness, misery, not because of some great psychological or emotional capacity, but because God’s heart has become one with ours.”

But while prayer is a good starting point, it is not nearly enough. The gospel requires us to go. To journey with others to the place where they are blind, weak, vulnerable, lonely, and broken. To offer healing through our presence and collective action. This means, among other things, advocating for more just laws that will help build a more just world. And it also means evaluating whether our lives reflect a truly Christian vision for the world. These kinds of changes require the courage to have difficult conversations and ask difficult questions.

Yesterday, while I was still drenched in anger and sorrow from news of the Las Vegas shooting, I decided to contact the assault-rifle owning pastor from my previous church. He was willing to talk and embodied humility. He told me that he still owns the AR-15 that he had bragged about so many years ago. He confessed that he bought the weapon when he was more “immature” because it felt “exciting” to “shoot a gun that our soldiers use.” But after he shot it, he didn’t get the rush he expected. So the gun had laid dormant for years, locked in his gun closet.

We talked for 45 minutes, and I learned that we shared many of the same feelings and beliefs. I was struck that he could articulate so many of the inconsistencies in our gun laws and regulations. I wanted to know how he could reconcile assault rifle ownership with the gospel. When I asked him why he hadn’t gotten rid of it as he has matured, his candid answer surprised me: “Actually, I gave this a lot of thought. It’s really challenging to think through this. The easy answer is that this is my right. But that’s not a healthy answer.”

He also wrestled with what to do if he decided to get rid of it. He didn't want to sell to just anyone. He was afraid of putting this weapon into the wrong hands.

My curiosity lead me from a place of angst to a place of compassion for him. He no longer believed the way he used too. And he was really wrestling with how to be responsible with such a weapon.

Toward the end of our phone call, he offered a stunning confession: “Before you texted me this morning, I had this conversation with my wife. I told her that I am thinking about getting rid of my AR.”

I don’t know the future of my pastor’s AR-15 anymore than I can predict the future of our nation, but the conversation gave me hope. He is a hunter and will still own many guns. While I believe that gun-loving Christians are misguided in their beliefs, I believe that our stance towards each other with those we disagree with should be one of compassionate listening, before writing people off. I also believe that the gospel is transformative in ways we cannot foresee.

Despite our anger and grief, the good news is still good. And we need it now more than ever.

David Gungor currently serves as worship pastor at Trinity Grace Church in the Tribeca neighborhood of Manhattan. He is also the lead singer for the popular band, "The Brilliance."


  1. Hey, great article! Pretty sure the author meant to say: “If the Bible teaches us anything, it is that we are NOT in charge of what happens on this spinning rock called earth.” Just wanted to point out the typo before the article gets shared more.

  2. So you want to sell it, but are afraid it will land in the wrong hands? Outside of the military and the police, and even the latter is questionable, THERE ARE NO “RIGHT HANDS” FOR THIS WEAPON OF MASS MURDER TO LAND IN.
    So, instead of trying to make some money off of it, why don’t you demonstrate some real principle, turn it in to the nearest big city police department, and ask them to destroy it for you. Or better still, stand in front of your congregation with a hack saw or a sledge hammer, and make it completely inoperable ever again.

  3. A very thoughtful piece, worthy of mature consideration by even the most ardent Christian gun owner.

  4. Right on, Ben. Unfortunately, most Christian preacher screachers don’t have enough of a backbone to say what you suggest. They are just con artists, selling their rusty excuse for a “god” -which they should also take a hacksaw to.

  5. Windy Edward Cooper BS Boswell, Ben’s comment above is far more thoughtful, concise, and appropriate than the article is.

  6. The advice to turn it in to the local police department may be the wrong thing. Many police departments auction off the weapons after a period of time, or send them to other police departments/agencies, where they are auctioned to raise funds. Some states forbid them from destroying guns, and require that they be put back in “circulation” via auction as surplus property.

    The best thing to do is “disable” it permanently or destroy it. Permanently disabled, it could be a teaching tool (“object lesson”) about guns and violence.

  7. My first thought when I read the article, was “My Precious.”

    There is an strain of that obsession with gun ownership in America, isn’t there? Lot’s of lip service to God being in control, fear not, etc., but it’s not enough to actually let go of something as—there’s no other word for it—murderous as an assault weapon.

  8. Asked my chaplain friend to reflect on this. Gave me this:
    Jesus said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and
    likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and
    buy one. (Luke 22:36)

    Occurs to me that there are millions of legal users of alcohol, but there are many more people killed by DUI than by psychopaths killing people with firearms. Maybe we should double down on those bible passages against booze and insist on prohibition again.

  9. Swords into ploughshares. Too bad not enough Christians believe in it.

  10. No, it is too bad that Muslims don’t believe in it. If they did, we would need fewer guns to protect us and our families.

  11. Wrong in that every man is still in charge of what he does.
    We do still have free will, do we not?

  12. I don’t begrudge the hunters their hunt or the skeet shooters their fun. Nor do I mind someone living in the boondocks surrounded by bears and coyotes their protctivee rifles. They are the responsible gun owners who don’t use 30 round magazines or other enhancements. They keep their guns locked up. They know how to use them safely. I have had wonderful venison as their guests. They are not out to kill people. They will not turn pique into mass murder and they don’t need Wayne Lapierre telling them that their guns are going to be taken away. The responsible owners don’t think their guns are anything but guns and they don’t treat the weapon as a bigger and better penis.

  13. Really? Take your Islamophobia elsewhere such as one of the Fascist sites where you belong.

  14. When was the last time a domestic gun protected anyone from Muslims?

  15. Take it to a welding shop and have them cut it up using a plasma torch making sure the action is destroyed. Video the destruction and play it to the congregation.

  16. where do you live that you are in physical danger from Muslims? Alabama? Georgia?

  17. All depends on if our actions are known by God ahead of time. If so, then I don’t know how we can have free will.

  18. When rifle=penis, you know there’s bloodshed in the future.

  19. Actually, Truthseeker belongs to God, along with every Muslim on this planet – whether they acknowledge this or not. He also belongs in a community of faith that will not consign him to fascism for his deeply misguided fear of his Muslims neighbors.

  20. They “explain”. Or more likely, “mansplain” it by claiming that somehow, they “know” that god “stands” outside of time, whatever that means, and however it is that they “know” it. Thus, he can see everything that has happened or will happen, but doesn’t interfere is what people choose to do, thus Giving them “free will.”

    Of course with that explanation, they make god completely irrelevant. That was one of the exp,anations of free will that showed me that I was right when I rejected Christianity, some fifty years ago. It’s why I call myself an it-doesn’t-matterist, and not really an atheist.

  21. The vast majority of neuroscientists involved in experimental research on how the brain works do not believe we have what is usually meant by “free will”.

    Through the use of fMRI scanners we see activity in the deep brain (the unconscious), then the start of bodily action and then, and only after the start of activity, the awareness that we have made a decision (conscious). It seems that we “do what we will, we do not will what we will”.

    In other words our responses to situations are automatic based on our unique mix of our parents’ DNA (nature), our life experience (nurture) and the effects of epigenetics.

    We think we have free will because our brain apparently needs to think it’s cleverer than it is, that would explain sight (most of what we “are seeing” is actually memory) and memory (most of memory is made up as we “recollect” – it’s a story we spin from “probably” based on a few “bullet-point” real memories and a fictional lattice to hold them together.

  22. Who said a ‘black AR-15 type of weapon’, was used? Nothing official has been confirmed. Besides the sound of the weapon heard on the videos is an automatic weapon. Whether or not it’s an AR that’s been modified (which some dispute possible as it would likely overheat) or an automatic, it’s already an illegal weapon. So what use is there in banning a weapon that was already banned 30+ yrs ago?

  23. I thought your God protected you?????

  24. If the Settlers, PIlgrims and Pioneers did not have guns as they travelled West, there would be no “The United States of America”.

    But……….most people here would think that a good thing.

  25. “…He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. ” Luke 22:36
    SELF-DEFENSE purposes only.
    The Bolsheviks would love nothing more than for Christians to turn in their weapons.

  26. Turning the other cheek doesn’t mean you open your door for everyone to come and rob, rape and murder.

  27. The guns they used to slaughter the people who were already living there? The guns they used to steal by force the lands from the people who were already living there? the guns they used to slaughter the animals that the people who already lived there needed to survive?

  28. You are perhaps the least competent judge of literary criticism it has ever been my displeasure to encounter.

  29. Hey dumbass, the Gospel isn’t about what you have to do, it’s about what Christ has done for you through His cross of suffering and His victory over death and the grave in His resurrection.

  30. If gun control was the answer, why isn’t it working in Chicago, Baltimore, and DC? The problem isn’t the presence of guns in this country, but the reality of evil in this world.

  31. I don’t feel guilty about something I didn’t do. But I recognize a great evil when I see one. Obviously, genocide is just fine with you.

  32. As the Coundenhave-Kalergi plan for white genocide continues to roll right along………………..I wonder, will you stick up for the Caucasian race when it becomes “genocided”???

  33. Add “Scalp Dance” by Thomas Goodrich to your library.
    Goodrich wrote another must read — “Hellstorm”. You can watch a great documentary as well — “Hellstorm” by Kyle Hunt.

  34. I recognize only one race…the human race.
    Personally, I don’t understand how anyone could live in the kind of head space/world you inhabit– a world where you invent stuff to scare yourself with, where imaginary enemies who imaginarily control everything are all out to get everyone, but especially you. It must be very difficult to live in that world.
    I googled “the plan”, never having heard of it before. The first website that came up? Golden Dawn, fear, hate, paranoia, imaginary persecution. It’s all there.
    Why do you choose to live in a world like that? What do you get out of it, besides the usual delusions of grandeur and delusions of persecution because of that delusional grandeur?

  35. Yea…………….Coudenhave Kalergi is just a figment of my imagination. Just like Barbara Lerner Spectre and Steve Gutow.

  36. No. Your persecution is a figment of your imagination.

    Here,s the reality of this great “plan.” White people are voluntarily intermarrying with those lesser people. They aren’t being genocided, they are being suicided.

    Except of course that the whole thing is a figment of your imagination.

    Which takes us right back to where we started.

  37. Like I said, whatever you need to believe. No matter how dark.

  38. From the Guardian — The global centre of gravity is changing. In 1900 Europe had a quarter of the world’s population, and three times that of Africa; by 2050 Europe is predicted to have just 7 per cent of the world population, and a third that of Africa.
    My Lying Eyes!
    Let me ask again…………..I wonder, when the Caucasian population becomes the outcasts of multicultural society, will you speak out for her??? Will you vote for our “Affirmative Action”?

  39. “Around the time that President Kennedy went to Germany and gave his ‘Ich bin ein Berliner’ speech, Europe represented 12.5 per cent of the world’s population. Today it is 7.2 per cent, and if current trends continue, by 2050 only 5 per cent of the world will be European,” states Russell Shorto in the New York Times.
    My Lying Eyes! Figment of my imagination.

  40. You left out the words “pure European” not that there is such a thing anyway. But whatever. As I said, you want to live in a dark world. Have at it.

  41. Yea…………….my lying eyes! LOL. You are funny Ben. What I’d pay to see your face.

  42. In the 1622 – Jamestown massacre: Algonquian Indians killed 347 English settlers around Jamestown, Virginia, a third of the colony’s population. Chief Opechancanough of the Powhatans led a surprise attack on 30 towns along the James River. Jamestown was saved by an early warning; other towns weren’t so fortunate. Homes were burned, livestock killed, and 347 colonists slaughtered. Historian Betty Wood writes: “By virtue of launching this unprovoked assault native Americans had forfeited any legal and moral rights they might previously have claimed to the ownership of the lands they occupied.”

    Wood quotes a Virginian settler:

    We, who hitherto have had possession of no more ground than their waste and our purchase at a valuable consideration to their own contentment. . . may now by right of war, and law of nations, invade the country, and those who sought to destroy us: whereby we shall enjoy their cultivated places.

  43. American Jewess Barbara Lerner Spectre, moved to Sweden and founded Paideia – The European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden. In a 2010 interview with Israeli IBA-News Barbara Lerner Spectre stated:

    “Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think WE are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that THEY once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. THEY are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of OUR leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.” https://youtu.be/MFE0qAiofMQ

    — Oh look, another (((COHENcidence))).

    There is no place in modern europe for ethnically pure states, that’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.” – (((Wesley Clark)))

    Wesley Clark told The Jewish Week in New York, that his ancestors were not just Jews, but members of the priestly caste of Kohens.

    Jewish General Wesley Clark, led the 78 day NATO bombing of Orthodox Christian Serbia, in 1999 which tore away Serbia’s Orthodox Christian heartland, Kosovo and handed it over to the Narco, organ trafficking Islamic Albanian KLA. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss

  44. The UN’s special representative for migration, Peter Sutherland, stated that the EU should “do its best to undermine” the “homogeneity” of its member states. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395


    The UN’s special representative on migration, Peter Sutherland, stated that the EU should deliberately use immigration from the 3rd world to undermine Europe’s racial demographics, i.e. reduce Native White Europeans as a percentage of Europe’s population.

  45. The Dalai Lama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989, often speaks about the dangers of mass Chinese immigration into Tibet: “…the unabated influx of Chinese immigrants to Tibet, which has the effect of overwhelming Tibet’s distinct cultural and religious identity and reducing the Tibetans to an insignificant minority in their own country, amount to a policy of cultural genocide.” — Dalai Lama.

    Is The Dalai Lama a “racist”, or does he get a pass from you anti-racists because he’s isn’t White?

    Labour threw open Britain’s borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a “truly multicultural” country, a former Government adviser has revealed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html

  46. Are the indigenous White peoples of Europe supposed to believe that the leftist EU bureaucracy accidentally forgot to include Christianity, which is the religion held by a majority of Native White Europeans, but made sure to include the religions held by Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and Muslim minorities?

    The European Commission has come under fire for producing more than three million copies of an EU diary for secondary schools which contains no reference to Christmas but includes Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and Muslim festivities.

    More than 330,000 copies of the diaries, accompanied by 51 pages of glossy information about the EU, have been delivered to British schools as a “sought after” Christmas gift to pupils from the commission.

    While the euro calendar marks Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish and Chinese festivities as well as Europe Day and other key EU anniversaries, there are no Christian festivals marked, despite the fact Christianity is Europe’s majority religion.

  47. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/the-eu-has-revealed-its-true-nature-a-federalist-monster-that-wi/
    The EU has revealed its true nature: a federalist monster that will not stop until nations are abolished. At the entrance to the Visitors Centre of the European Parliament, there is a plaque with the following words written by British diplomat Philip Kerr, later the Marquess of Lothian:

    National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

    Diplomat Philip Kerr’s addiction to federalism is shared by the EU today, hence the special place given to his chilling utterance. Viviane Reding, vice president of the European Commission and the longest serving Brussels commissioner, has called for “a true political union” to be put on the agenda for EU elections this spring.

    “We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a “Senate” of Member States,” she said.

  48. — Another (((COHENcidence)))?

    In 2010, after Arizona Governor Jan Brewer signed into law bill SB1070 which made it a misdemeanor crime for an illegal immigrant to be in Arizona without carrying the required documents, requiring state law enforcement officers to attempt to determine an individual’s immigration status during a “lawful stop, detention or arrest”, the Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS) coordinated a letter to Congress that was SIGNED BY MORE THAN 65 JEWISH ORGANIZATIONS and public figures, condemning the legislation.

    As a result, the US Supreme court threw out three provisions in the Arizona law. The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society (HIAS), describes itself as the “global migration agency of the American Jewish community”


  49. — More (((COHENcidences)))!

    “For perhaps another generation, an optimistic forecast, the Jewish community is thus in a position where it will be able to DIVIDE AND CONQUER and enter into selective coalitions that support our agendas.” — (Stephen Steinlight, National Director of the American Jewish Committee, writing in the article: “The Jewish Stake in America’s Changing Demography: Reconsidering a Misguided Immigration Policy.”)

    Jewish politicians Behind The Hart-Celler Open Immigration Law of 1965 included: Senator Jacob Javits (NY); Congressman Emanuel Celler (NY); Leo Pfeffer (Former President of American Jewish Congress (AJC); Norman Podhoretz (Writer and Member of The Council on Foreign Relations,– former leftist, now a Jewish neo-con); Senator Charles Schumer; and Representative Elizabeth Holtzman.

  50. “Civil Rights,” “Desegregation,” “MultiCULTuralism and DIEversity,” are all enforced by a tyrannical Zionist Occupied Government, and are all designed to miscegenate people of White European racial ancestry out of existence. School desegregation was enforced literally at bayonet point, see image. http://s719.photobucket.com/user/ThisDayInHistory14/media/ForcedIntegrationatBayonetPoint001.jpg.html

    “Jack Greenberg, the Jewish Lawyer Who Used Law as a Weapon To Desegregate America’s Schools”

    Why aren’t there any Jewish organizations working to desegregate schools in Israel, so that Arabs can attend classes with Jewish schoolchildren? (((They))) only want to force desegregation and assimilation with non-whites, and non-christians, on White Christians.

  51. Except that Ben isn’t White, he’s Jewish, ask him.

  52. People who repeatedly view terrorist content online could face up to 15 years behind bars in a move designed to tighten the laws tackling radicalisation the home secretary, Amber Rudd, is to announce on Tuesday. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/oct/03/amber-rudd-viewers-of-online-terrorist-material-face-15-years-in-jail

    “I want to make sure those who view despicable terrorist content online, including jihadi websites, far-right propaganda and bomb-making instructions, face the full force of the law,” said Rudd.

    Since when does “far right propaganda” equate to terrorism? If a person is found to be repeatedly viewing a far right website that promotes violence and contains bomb making instructions, I agree that this is a cause for concern, that should warrant an investigation and possible imprisonment. What concerns me is that it is not clear from Amber Rudd’s statement, whether a person will be subject to imprisonment if they visit a non-violent far right website, whose content simply contains non-violent, political, social, racial, and religious arguments opposing multiculturalism, mass 3rd world immigration into Europe, and globalism, as this would appear to be straight out political persecution. Notice also, how Amber Rudd leaves out any mention of far-left propaganda. Tells you a lot about where the political sympathies of the UK political establishment lie.

  53. https://www.lifesitenews.com/mobile/news/former-heads-of-state-call-on-eu-to-set-up-state-surveillance-of-intolerant
    The European Council on Tolerance and Reconciliation (ECTR), a “tolerance watchdog” launched under the leadership of former Polish president Aleksander Kwasniewski and Moshe Kantor, President of the European Jewish Congress, called for the establishment of government surveillance bodies to directly monitor the “intolerant” behaviour of identified citizens and groups.

    European Dignity Watch, a civil rights watchdog group based in Brussels, has warned that this directive “aims to impose governmental control over the social and economic behavior of citizens in the widest possible sense.”

    Sophia Kuby, spokesman for European Dignity Watch, said the Framework betrays the essentially totalitarian mindset of significant elements within the European Union’s apparatus. The document, if adopted by the European Parliament, she said, “could lead to situations in which vague or unwarranted accusations are leveled against individuals and groups.”

    “Faith-based groups and schools, adherents of a particular religion or even just parents who want to teach their children certain moral values would all be put under general suspicion of being intolerant.

    “Even worse,” she said, this language “could lead to the possibility that charges are brought on unclear or even without legal grounds.” She said it would “be a significant step backward,” and “would certainly be a DARK DAY for European democracy.

    If you don’t allow the school to take your child to the Mosque, you will be investigated & your child will be labelled a racist!

  54. Kind of a mile wide and an inch deep. Once one learns to distinguish innocence from guilt, the use of a weapon (here a smei-automatic rifle, not an automatic weapon – often lost among my liberal friends) becomes a catalyst for either evil or good. There are hundreds (some argue more, but I’ll take the more conservative stat) of occasions each day across America where brandishing or using a weapon to prevent crime has saved blood and sorrow. Please stop with the nonsense about “violence being bad” without the distinction between good and evil. Integrity, son of a pastor, demands it.

  55. Any man Christian or otherwise who stands in the way of the common sense control laws adopted all over the world (Except America) with great success….has the blood of men , women and children dripping all over them.

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