Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, arrives for the start of a closed-door security briefing at the Capitol in Washington, Wednesday, Oct. 25, 2017. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

As a fellow Mormon, I'm proud of Jeff Flake

Sen. Jeff Flake, R-Ariz., a member of the Foreign Relations Committee, arrives for the start of a closed-door security briefing at the Capitol in Washington on Oct. 25, 2017. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)

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(RNS) — On Tuesday (Oct. 24), Sen. Jeff Flake of Arizona denounced President Trump's administration from the Senate floor, saying that he refused to be "complicit" with the behavior of a president he described as "mercurial" and prone to "reckless provocations, most often for the pettiest and most personal reasons."

[Read the full text of Sen. Flake's speech here.]

Several senators in attendance gave Flake a standing ovation, including fellow Arizonan John McCain and Tennessee's Bob Corker, both outspoken critics of Trump. Others in the Senate were upset by the fact that Flake also announced that he will not run for re-election next year, including Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia.

"When someone as good and decent a person as Jeff Flake does not think he can continue in the body (of the Senate), it's a very tragic day for the institution," Kaine told CNN.

As someone who often votes with the other party, I doubt I have much in common politically with Sen. Flake, who has described himself as a traditional conservative.

As a fellow Mormon, though, I'd like to buy that man a cup of not-coffee.

I'm proud that someone of my faith had the moral courage to stand up to a dangerous and narcissistic president who seems hell-bent on undermining many of the basic democratic institutions Americans ought to hold dear.

Flake's speech is filled with old-fashioned words and concepts that still mean something to our Mormon people.

Things like duty and conscience and moral authority.

Things like real strength coming from our most cherished values, and not from attacking the weak.

I was particularly struck by this part:

It is often said that children are watching. Well, they are. And what are we going to do about that? When the next generation asks us, ‘Why didn’t you do something? Why didn’t you speak up?’ What are we going to say?

As a Mormon, I've found it disheartening that about half of Latter-day Saints in the U.S. did vote for Donald Trump a year ago; exit polls ranged from between 45 percent and 60 percent, depending on the geographic area. And it is profoundly upsetting that there are even now Mormons who defend the president's ongoing incompetence, ignorance and bullying behavior.

On the other hand, Mormons were among the first in the GOP to sound the alarms about Trump.

Mitt Romney called him out publicly, even after he became the party's nominee, because there were bigger issues at stake than party loyalty.

The Mormon-owned Deseret News spoke out against him a month before the election, saying he should resign his candidacy.

And now Flake has publicly denounced a sitting president from his own party, possibly at the cost of his own political career. There are some principles, Flake suggested, that override the individual — a lesson someone like Donald Trump will never understand.

In retrospect, the Deseret News' words from last October seem eerily prophetic, so I will close with them.

"For 80 years, the Deseret News has not entered into the troubled waters of presidential endorsement. We are neutral on matters of partisan politics. We do, however, feel a duty to speak clearly on issues that affect the well-being and morals of the nation.

Accordingly, today we call on Donald Trump to step down from his pursuit of the American presidency.

In democratic elections, ideas have consequences, leadership matters and character counts.

The belief that the party and the platform matter more than the character of the candidate ignores the wisdom of the ages that, “when the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn.” (Proverbs 29:2)




  1. Mormonism being a business cult with a religious front vitiates this whole discussion;

  2. I have to disagree, Jana.

    Flake: “When the next generation asks us, why didn’t you do something? Why didn’t you speak up? What are we going to say?”

    YOU’RE going to say, “I’m a rat, this is a sinking ship. What do you expect?” By quitting, you are abstaining from any chance of doing something, but also, from any responsibility for NOT doing anything,

    You were just fine with it when you stopped thinking about the country. You were fine with it as long as the democrats lost. It wasn’t really the point if you won, and in any case, you thought you control your creation, and none of the drek would stain that nice polyester suit,

  3. It is rare, but we agree on this. I was a Republican for over 30 years and fought for many conservative principles and candidates. But twitter wars and name-calling and Russian alliances and threats to fundamental liberties and so forth are far from conservative. I was open to listening to what Donald Trump had to say. I listened. He convinced me he was wrong. I actively opposed his candidacy to the upset of many of my extended family and fellow Mormons. He brought out the worst in many of them. He came packaged with too many low associates. Sure, some of his appointments and policies are good (some). But how we win matters. Politicians on both sides have long since vacated the moral high ground with only a few left standing strong. Flake had tried to be one. Donald Trump has not drained the swamp, he is bottling and selling it to the country as their morning drink–one twitter rant, collusion, and insult at a time. Too many churches are drinking the unholy water. If you disagree with the low discourse and take a stand you can plan to be threatened, called names, insulted, and bullied–often by people filling the Sunday pews. And if you are like Flake, you can expect to get hit with garbage from both sides, because food fights will make American great again.

  4. I had to give props to Flake yesterday when he gave his speech. He may be a bit late to the party but I welcome him with open arms. We need more republicans standing up to a man who is neither intellectually or emotionally able to lead this country. When I see so many members who foolishly think they are supposed to vote republican no matter who the candidate is, it shows how out of touch they are and how so many members are simple sheep being led astray. The man is a disgrace to this country.

  5. That was a churlish and unnecessary aside.

  6. That is a rather harsh indictment, many who voted for Trump reluctantly did it with same hope that Senator Flake once evinced. It is patent now that such hope was misplaced. It is likely that there will be electoral repercussions resulting from the present course of the administration, and perhaps happily, Mr. Trump’s hands will be tied more firmly by the next Congress. Thus far he has not really been able to forward any part of his agenda effectively for good or ill, and it may prove that legislatively and administratively the country will remain in stasis until the next presidential contest.

  7. I’m frankly disappointed in the Riess. As a Mormon are you really disappointed that more than half of the LDS church voted for borrish rude person or the fact that 40% voted for someone who is the anti-thesis of your doctrine in almost every single way? Too many Mormons and conservatives are ringing their hands over Trump’s behavior rather than his actual actions. Trump has called people names, got into feuds with various people, and shown a lack of twitter commentary judgement. On the other hand he’s also cutting down social regulations that have been aimed at religion, installed conservative cabinet members, and filled district court seats with those that are more sympathetic to conservative and more importantly, Mormon values.

    Both the USA and the church has gotten their hands dirty to further its overall mission or defend itself when the need arose. No one should care how he acts, only how he legislates. Putting the office of the President on an ivory pedestal and acting like that is the most important thing when the enemy has been at the gates and making headway in social legislation is asinine. Romney was a limp wristed fluke and has shown consistently that he never had the chops to deal with Democrats as they’ve run roughshod over moderates for ages now. Why are we holding him up as some paragon? Because he’s Mormon? Ted Cruz would have been a better example by far.

    Flake isn’t a person of strong character. He’s a coward and a RINO. This has been playing out for the past two elections where his numbers have been dropping as has his popularity with his own base. Predictions already had him at a 50-50 chance of winning his next election. He hasn’t pushed any good legislation and has even crossed lines on subjects that he had no business making bipartisan. Politicians like him have kept giving Democrats more and more inches expecting reciprocity and yet its been cut throat for the past 8 years. There has been no crossing their lines to offer fig leaves on any conservative legislation. His base has noticed that and like McCain, they’re getting frustrated with his wishy washy stance on everything. Now he has the perfect out. He gets to blame Trump for his woes. He won’t have to face the possibility of losing an election but would rather cop out and pretend that he left on his own accord.

    The GOP needs fighters. Flake isn’t one.

  8. Not really as all religions are relegated to the myth pile in less than 30 seconds:

    As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of
    Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism,
    Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    There was no Gabriel i.e.Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that
    we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a


    “The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth
    century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its
    later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today
    (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a
    shooting star; carried in his mother’s womb for eighty-two years; and born a
    full grown wise old man. “

  9. Edward, I’m going to be uncharacteristically blunt.

    Anybody with a functioning brain could see who trump was and what he promised to do. But they didn’t care as long as That Black Man was no longer President, and That Woman would not be president. It was about the absolute contempt for “liberals”, facts, and change evinced by the republican Party for the past 25 years, and how well that all plays into white people afraid of brown people. It’s about republicans gerrymandering left and right in order to keep control of the house, and not caring about the damage it has caused.

    And I am very convinced that what caused evangelicals to abandon what few values they claimed to have was something as simple as “get the gays”, though if I wish to be kinder, I would call it a lust for power, money, and dominion because they saw the people they have the greatest contempt for being treated as their equals, their worst fears realized as the theological con game they have been playing for 2000 years about us coming to an end

    Flake and his fellow travelers thought they could control Cheetolini because they were able to maintain control of Congress. What they couldn’t see was that there were two republican parties— the ever more right wing republicans, and the loonie far right that they also thought they could control.

    I think I had it exactly right about Flake, and quite a few others who won’t be coming back— corker and McCain, though at least he has cancer as an excuse. But McCain is at least as guilty as all of the rest of them of the degradation of our country when he brought that Feral Snow Barbie onto the national scene and pretended she was anything but the iggerunt snowbilly she so clearly is, all to please the fake Christians, the gun nuts and look mildly progressive, but not threateningly so. Between 2Rump and snowBarbie, it’s hard to tell which is more the complete opposite of presidential.

  10. How could you! Everyone knows it gay people and liberals that are the bullies of all The Good and the Holy.

  11. Maybe we can have a new program on the Telly. We’ll call it “Will and Disgrace.”

  12. I didn’t vote for Trump, and won’t next time even though so far he passes the “bag of hammers” test. That said I doubt I would vote for Flake either, if I lived in Arizona, and apparently a majority of Arizona Republicans agree with me. Still, I’ll give him kudos for calling a spade a spade.

  13. One is an unstable bore with no class and the other pretends to have class, but deep down both are a real threat to the Republic and our freedoms. Flake voted to removed our right to sue dishonest banks and take away heathcare while he denounced Trump. The drama and chaos over name calling or debating who acted appropriate in a publicity move are all minor issues to distracts the public via a complacent media focussing on the little issues while Flake and Trump’s political party rapes the nation.

    Perhaps if Flake and a few others in the Senate and the House quit the Republican party and struck out as independents, this would put the Republican party in a minority position and force some real changes and checks on Trump.

  14. The three people I know who voted for Trump all say they did so because they were convinced (by their church/pastor) that Hilary was even more evil than Trump.

  15. Jana – I am surprised at, and rather disappointed in, you.

    “…concepts that still mean something to our Mormon people.

    Things like duty and conscience and moral authority.”

    Not because you claim that some Mormons respect such concepts, I’m sure some do (though I doubt many are well up the hierarchy) but because of the clear implication that this is somehow a Mormon plus.

    No doubt unconsciously, you have implied that those traits you identify are peculiarly Mormon (Joseph Smith exhibited them – yeah right). They are human traits and can be found in adherents to most religions, cults, sects and also to those who are unable to believe in supernatural entities.

    Religion and the traits you mention sometimes, and only sometimes, overlap – there is no valid basis for assuming cause and effect.

  16. If I may say so, as kindly and gently as I am able, bluntness is not wholly uncharacteristic of you (nor of me, for that matter). Beyond that, it is obvious by the language you have used in this text, that the fires of your indignation are burning quite fiercely at present. It took me a moment to comprehend whom the “Feral Snow Barbie” you are referring to is, as she has largely passed off my radar in light of subsequent events. I might wax as equally vitriolic about certain personages of the Left based on my own political perspective and social views, but I won’t because I see no practical end in doing so. Different parties, different sets of values, difficult choices; this is all part and parcel of American polity.

  17. You keep repeating the same assertions, assertions made from evidentiary bases that are convincing to you…others find them less convincing. In any case that does not militate against the substance of my first reply. Passion for point of view should not lead to incendiary vitriol, it does not improve the force of an argument.

  18. Added details:


    A business religious cult based on Joseph Smith’s hallucinations which has bought respectability with a $30 billion business empire, the BYU “mission matured” football team and a great choir.


    “The first divergence between Mormon economics and that of
    other denominations is the t-ithe. Most churches take in the greater part of
    their income through donations. Very few, however, impose a compulsory 10%
    income tax on their members. Ti-thes are collected locally, with much of the
    money pas-sed on informally to local lay leaders at Sunday services. “By
    Monday,” says Elbert Peck, editor of Sunstone, an independent Mormon
    magazine, the church authorities in Salt Lake City “know every cent that’s
    been collected and have made sure the money is deposited in banks.” There
    is a lot to deposit. Last year $5.2 billion in tithes flowed into Salt Lake
    City, $4.9 billion of which came from American Mormons.”

    “The Mormons are stewards of a different str-ipe. Their charitable spending and temple building are prodi-gious. But where other
    churches spend most of what they receive in a given year, the Latter-day Saints
    employ vast amounts of money in investments that TIME estimates to be at least $6 billion strong. Even more unusual, most of this money is not in bonds or
    stock in other peoples’ companies but is invested directly in church-owned,
    for-profit concerns, the largest of which are in agribusiness, media,
    insurance, travel and real estate. Deseret Management Corp., the company
    through which the church holds almost all its commercial as-sets, is one of the
    largest owners of farm and ranchland in the country, including 49 for-profit
    parcels in addition to the Deseret Ranch. Besides the Bonneville International
    chain and Beneficial Life, the church owns a 52% holding in ZCMI, Utah’s
    largest department-store chain.

    All told, TIME estimates that the Latter-day Saints farmland and
    financial investments total some $11 billion, and that the church’s nont-ithe
    income from its investments exceeds $600 million. ”

    “Members of the church celebrate the Lord’s Supper with water
    rather than wine or grape juice. They believe their President is a prophet who
    receives new revelations from God. These can supplant older revelations, as in
    the case of the church’s historically most controversial doctrine: Smith
    himself received God’s sanctioning of pol-ygamy in 1831, but 49 years later,
    the church’s President announced its recision. Similarly, an explicit policy
    barring black men from holding even the lowest church offices was overturned bya new revelation in 1978, opening the way to huge missionary activity in Africa and Brazil. ”

    The leaders of the Mormon Church/”Cult” are not paid? Actually, they are paid via being executives of the large Mormon-owned businesses:


    “The Quorum of Twelve’s
    president Ezra Taft Benson was a director of Beneficial Life Insurance Co.
    Apostle Howard W. Hunter was president of the Polynesian Cultural Center
    (Hawaii), and director of Beneficial Life Insurance Co., of Continental Western
    Life Insurance Co., of Deseret Federal Savings and Loan, of First Security Bank
    of Utah, of First Security Corp., of Heber J. Grant & Co., of PHA Life
    Insurance Co. (Oregon), of Watson Land Co. (Los Angeles), and of Western
    American Life Insurance Co. Apostle Thomas S. Monson was president and chairman of the board of Deseret News Publishing Co., vice-president of LDS SocialServices and of Newspaper Agency Corp, and director of Beneficial Life
    Insurance Co., of Commercial Security Bank, of Commercial Security Bankcorporation,
    of Continental Western Life Insurance Co. (Iowa), of Deseret Management Corp.,
    of IHC Hospitals, Inc., of Mountain States Telephone and Telegraph Co., of
    Murdock Travel, of PHA Life Insurance Co. (Oregon), of Pioneer Memorial
    Theater, and of Western American Life Insurance Co. Apostle Boyd K. Packer was
    chairman of the board of Utah Home Fire Insurance Co., while also director of
    Murdock Travel and of Zion’s First National Bank. Apostle Marvin J. Ashton was
    president of Deseret Book Co., chairman of the board of ZCMI, and director of
    Beneficial Development Co., of First Security Bank of Utah, of First Security
    Corporation, of Laie Resorts (Hawaii), and of Zion’s Securities Corporation.
    Apostle L. Tom Perry was director of American Stores Co. (which operated Skaggs Drugs and Alpha Beta supermarkets), of ZCMI, of Zion’s First National Bank, andof Jewel Companies, Inc. (Chicago), and trustee of LDS Social Services and of
    Nauvoo Restoration. Apostle David B. Haight was director of Bonneville International
    Corporation, of Deseret Management Corporation, of First Security Bank of Utah,
    of First Security Corporation, and of Valtek, Inc., while also a trustee of
    Deseret Management Corporation Foundation. Apostle James E. Faust was
    vice-president of Deseret News Publishing Co., director of Commercial Security
    Bank, and of Commercial Security Bank Corporation, while also a trustee of
    Ballet West and of LDS Social Services. Apostle Neal A. Maxwell was director of
    Mountain Fuel Resources, Inc., of Mountain Fuel Supply Co., and of Deseret News
    Publishing Co. Apostle Russell M. Nelson was director of Zion’s First National
    Bank. Apostle Dallin H. Oaks was chairman of the Public Broadcasting System
    (national), while also director of O.C. Tanner Jewelry Co. and of Union Pacific

    Bottom line: Mormonism is a business cult using religion as a front and charitable donations and volunteer work toadvertise said business.

  19. They should be for you, too. Health care gutted so that billionaires can get tax breaks? Threats of even more treasury draining interventions?

  20. All you’ve shown is that the Church takes a systematic approach to resource management. You also spent an awful amount of space rebutting a comment nobody here made regarding compensation of general authorities.

  21. This looked familiar to me, and then I realized that you have copied and pasted from a previous discussion. You’re trying to pull one over on Mr. Borges-Silva, but I have already addressed this:

    “Wow, you’ve dumped a lot of information, but most of it irrelevant. Many of these are Church holding companies, which are owned by the Church as an institution as a way to fund programs well into the future. For legal reasons, each of these has to have directors, and so it naturally falls on the leaders of the organization that owns the holding companies to take those positions. Many boards, especially of holding companies, meet only occasionally (maybe once a year), leaving the rest up to managers, many of which are managed as a portfolio by a single person or small group of people (e.g. Bonneville International Corporation, Deseret Management Corporation). Other entities listed are not at all related to the Church, and so there’s likely no connection between their membership on the board and their Church service (e.g. Union Pacific Railroad, O.C. Tanner Jewelry Co., American Stores Co.). Others are boards of philanthropic/arts/charitable/arts institutions, which leaves me wondering why you included it at all (e.g. LDS Social Services, Ballet West, Nauvoo Restoration).

    “In short, you have demonstrated (1) that some apostles serve on boards of organizations owned by the organization they run (a complete non-surprise), but you haven’t shown that their time is consumed by these positions or that they are paid much (or anything) for their service on those boards; (2) that some apostles, through their personal business connections, ended up serving on boards of some businesses; and (3) that some Apostles serve on the board of non-profit organizations related to the Church or in which they have a personal interest.

    “Nice try.”

  22. He did not stand up to him in any real fashion. He was a phony.

    He voted with Trump most of the time

    Now he is stepping aside to allow a pro-trump candidate run for his seat. Whatever “resistance” he made to Trump was done just to preserve his reputation in the last minute. If he had any kind of spine, he would continue to run and actually bother to vote against Trump.

    But instead, we have fecklessness masquerading as valor here.

  23. Reiteration is great for the learning process.

    As is reading and rational thinking followed by conclusions based on all of it.
    As in the conclusion: “Mormonism is a business cult with a religion front based on the hallucinations of one Joseph Smith. ”
    Again, the LDS apostles get paid by being the heads of Mormon businesses. Tis interesting that the books are only available to the Prophet and his all male Apostles.

  24. Is ignoring a counterargument and simply repeating your prior conclusory statement great for the learning process? I agree that reading and rational thinking followed by conclusions are great. However, after looking through your comment history, it looks like you’re not really interested in that sort of thing. You seem to typically post lengthy excerpts from sources whose provenance is often unclear without explanation, and when confronted with opposing facts or arguments, you brush them aside without addressing them (as you’ve now done twice with this argument).

    It does not follow from the facts cited (that LDS leaders serve on boards of businesses owned by the Church) that “Mormonism is a business cult with a religion front.” Many non-profits routinely employ for-profit subsidiaries to fund their activities. See here:

  25. Strange that there is no rebuttal about the hallucinations of Joseph Smith and his mythical angel Moroni whose gaudy statues are on the top of Mormon temples. Of course, there is lot of tithe money to be had in these illusions. Could it be that the defenders of Mormonism all work for the Mormon church and/or its substantial business holdings? Hmmm?

  26. Yeah, there are volumes of rebuttal. Go to and browse around.

    “Could it be that the defenders of Mormonism all work for the Mormon church and/or its substantial business holdings? Hmmm?” Unlikely, given that I do not work for the Church, and I regularly defend Mormonism. There are millions like me.

  27. I agree there are many things he does not get props for. I do give him that for the speech. That is more than Church leaders have done. They are too scared and timid to stand up to Trump in a meaningful way. It is also more than most members have done who voted this fool into office.

  28. My internal responses are predicated on the on the skeptical assessment that all these present problems remain unfixable in the current climate. I am resigned.

  29. They are quite fixable. Stop voting republican and pretending that Mrs. Clinton was the personification of evil.

  30. The blog? Simply a regurgitation of the Smith hallucinations. Tis the 21st century and time to give up childish things like belief in angels and other spirits!!!!

  31. You see the world through a very interesting lens. Could you give an example of how Hillary was fit to run the nation? Can you name any accomplishment she should have ran on that would make her qualified to be Commander in Chief? Do you still think this way after what Donna Brazile revealed?

  32. Still fighting the last election, are we?

    If you need me to explain how she is qualified, then you aren’t interested in the answer, even though the answer is your answer that she is Involved in every politiconspiracy since the illuminatis, has her finger in every government and every financial pie, and has orchestrated the deaths of thousands, all while keeping everything so secret that only the Tin Foil Rightists know about it.

  33. Haha, kinda hard to fight a slain opponent. Just curious what she has accomplished. I don’t like one or the other but the Trumpers have no trouble naming his accomplishments whether I agree with them or not. Her supporters seem to have a tough time. Don’t really get into all the “conspiracy” mess. There is truth and then everything else. Now saying that I wouldn’t want to be Donna Brazile right about now. 😉

  34. I was born a Mormon and learned November 11th a few years back regarding the truth of my church. So to call our Trump is actually hypocritical. Do your due diligence on the Mormon history and you will find anyone that did not belong to my birth church was called an infidel. I’d say that that is pretty harsh language and is reminiscent of ISIS. So tread carefully and follow your religion to not judge or be not judged. I love God and so much moral ground was lost years ago – There are so many good Mormons in this world no doubt, but I choose to not practice because I found out the truth about why it was formed and read what was made open to the public by the church’s prophet. Ask yourself – does Trump make jobs for your country? Does he care about Americans and their success as a country? There are things that you and I do not know that are going on in higher places and I would trust your president any day over our Prime Minister. Be grateful you don’t have ISIS being integrated back into your country with our tax dollars paying for their reintegration. Trump would never have allowed that. Protect your country and support any leader that will keep your borders and your people safe first and foremost. The rest can be solved. God bless America & save Canada

  35. There is nothing good,or holy about the mormon cult….How’s smith and his seer stone doing..The most ridiculous perversion of Christ to date…

  36. Any member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints needs to really study the issues and people running for office before supporting them. Many people are deceived by the mainstream media so always go to the source when you can for information. Look at many sources when investigating things and pray for guidance to find the truth.
    One source I like is congressional hearings. I found one where James Comey ( Director of the FBI at the time ) admitted to Trey Gowdy that Hillary Clinton lied to the FBI at least 7 times. Yet she was not punished. When others have lied to the FBI, their lives are destroyed! Our government and Department of Justice and FBI is a swamp that needs to be drained. Those who are really in control of our country control the mainstreem media and they have their own agenda which is not in our best interests.

  37. (Phony HYPOCRITE) Flake bitterly objects to Trump’s behavior as unacceptable and abhorrent, while Flake has no such objection to his own beloved Mormon cult religion that was started by a psychopath (Joseph Smith Jr of Palmyra NY) who specialized in tall tales (LIES), forging scripture, raping teen age girls, stealing others men’s wives, robbing people blind, and all sorts of criminal behavior, all in the name of Christ. And speaking of heavy handed control tactics, Smith also destroyed a printing press that was being used to expose his devious behavior that Smith desperately needed to keep secret in order to carry on with his MORmON scam . After Smith got himself killed for being such a dirty scoundrel, Brigham Young took over (the scam of) MORmONISM by using murder and lies. Young moved his MORmON flock to the frontier isolation of Utah to carry on with the Smith style debauchery of MORmONISM mislabeled as polygamy, and so Young could be completely unhindered in fleecing and raping his MORmON flock…….in the name of the MORmON version of Jesus. As the unchallenged leader of the MORmON cult for 3 decades, Young became a full on despot and a mass murderer. ……..SO what were you saying about Trump and despotic behavior ?? and being proud of Jeff Flake the devoted MORmON ????

  38. AS IF your advocacy of the story of the guy who supposedly saw god and the angel, and who had the gold plates in question taken up to heaven constitutes some kind of legit claim. The MORmON Jesus really messed up by having the golden tablets taken to heaven to avoid them being inspected while leaving the supposed story contained on the golden plates around for inspection, which proves that MORmONISM is a very bad joke.

  39. “MORmON”. Very clever. Did you come up with that all by yourself?

  40. MORmONS are stupid, bias and ignorant about many things socially, psychologically, Emotionally. They don’t belong in office and are not suitable for leadership positions as long as they continue to believe the b.s. that Joseph Smith started.

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