• Ben in oakland

    Another precious child, sacrificed on the altar of ignorance, anti-gay hatred and religious judgmentalism, and Christian based therapeutic quackery.

    In Leelah’s suicide note published to Tumblr in the wake of her death, Leelah recounted her mother’s “extremely” negative reaction to her coming out as trans:

    “After 10 years of confusion I finally understood who I was. I immediately told my mom, and she reacted extremely negatively, telling me that it was a phase, that I would never truly be a girl, that God doesn’t make mistakes, that I am wrong.”

    Leelah’s letter also mentioned the religious counseling she receiving after coming out:

    “My mom started taking me to a therapist, but would only take me to christian therapists, (who were all very biased) so I never actually got the therapy I needed to cure me of my depression. I only got more christians telling me that I was selfish and wrong and that I should look to God for help.”

    Yet another precious child.

  • Well said. Gender minorities and frankly other minorities too, don’t choose to be born the way they are. They don’t choose their sexuality or gender anymore than they choose whether they need glasses or are allergic to bees. The hardest thing for the Christian community to grasp is that it’s not sinful to love someone you don’t understand or identify with. Even if you believe that something is a sin, it’s not contagious. You aren’t going to get dirty by allowing the space for people to walk their own journeys. Christ never forced people to follow him, He simply invited them. His rage attacks were saved for the pharisaical self righteous religious leaders. Hate and exclusion is not his method of operation. We fail humanity each time someone chooses to take their lives because they cannot get the words of a believer out of their minds.

  • Tying an agenda to a suicide note is risky business. Suicide is in some ways contagious, see http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/14/upshot/the-science-behind-suicide-contagion.html.

    People are complex as are the reasons they chose to end their lives. Are we using her death in service of activism for a cause? This troubles me.

  • I agree that Christians should be a refuge for all LBGT, but do you think Jesus affirms all lifestyles? Are there any lifestyle Jesus says need to change? Thank you for considering.

    Also, here’s an article I put together: What Would Jesus Have Said To Someone Like Leelah Alcorn?


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  • ben in oakland

    The very use of the term “lifestyle” pretty much disqualifies you from having any informed opinion on the subject. And you didn’t disappoint me.

    And sure enough: yackety yack yack, sin sin sin, brokenness, brokenness, brokenness. Just give it all to Jesus, and jesus will take care of you– despite the trail of tears of all of the gay and transgendered kids who have tried desperately to be someone they were not, and for whom Jesus did not a thing.

    Did it EVER occur to you that the church, and its insistence on giving an ancient, ignorant, durable, stupid, and vicious prejudice some sort of godly-holy sheen as sincere religious belief, a belief based upon nothing but ignorance and a wholly imaginary superiority…

    did it EVER occur to you that maybe the church is broken on this subject, and has been for 2000 years?

    you may see yourself as compassionate, benign, and loving. We gay people have been listening to this trash for 2000 years, especially the trashiest part where a certain class of so-called Christian for “loving” gay people, to our harm, to our detriment, and sometimes– far too often– TO OUR DEATHS.

    You wrote: “Find a Bible-believing, Spirit-led community that will love you and walk with you.” That’s PRECISELY the problem– following these people who prattle on about love, but revel in ignorance. As in your statement HERE:

    “Because of that, I believe that God creates people as either male or female and that our biological make up shows what He intends.” Belief, not fact. A five minute search on the internet will show you the wealth of knowledge on the subject–not beliefs, but FACTS.

    I do believe that within your perspective, you believe that you are spreading the love of Jesus. someday, you will actually come to humility, and the understanding that you aren’t god, you don’t represent god, and you don’t speak for god.

    Unfortunately, it is clear form your posting that you don’t understand anything about this subject at all. But you do feel free to take this child’s pain and turn it into more of the same for other gay or trans kids.

  • Billysees

    Eliel writes, “…If you’re a Christian who has an LGBT child please affirm them for who God made them to be.”

    I would make that better by rewording as follows — “…please affirm them for who God made [or allowed] them to be.”

    Three times….three times it is written that ‘all things’ are allowable, lawful and permissible. Surely, an LGBT issue like ‘transgender’ can easily fit into any of those three declarations.

  • “If you’re unwilling to raise, support, and affirm an LGBT child – you shouldn’t be having children.”

    Can’t love ’em, don’t have ’em!

  • The Great God Pan

    “The church has failed to equip parents with the resources to affirm their transgender Children. Indeed, if the church has done anything it has contributed to a fear mongering narrative that led to the Alcorn’s rejecting Leelah.”

    Don’t mistake for a bug what was intended as a feature. Their intentions aren’t good and their ignorance is willful.

    “Despite their lack of support for their transgender daughter, which I’m sure came from a lack of understanding, no parents want to bury their child.”

    Would they have preferred a living “Josh” over a dead “Josh?” No doubt. Would they have preferred a living Leelah to a dead “Josh?” Don’t be so sure. Not everyone is nice, and assuming that they are won’t make it so.

  • “Name”

    “She”, “herself”. Come on, at least get the pronouns right.


    January 2, 2015

    Your comment is less than helpful and quite frankly ignorant. Having spent the better part of the past 6 years reporting on cases like this for a national LGBTQ news media operation I can tell you that you need to get educated and quickly.

    The only agenda here is to put a stop to the unrelenting attacks on the LGBTQ community and its most vulnerable members predicated on flawed interpretation of some idiotic religious ideology.

    Religious liberties and rights DO NOT triumph over nor trump Human Rights. Sadly it seems that this young lady had a better handle on that reality than the adults around her.

    Yes, her death needs to be used for activism just as Matt Shepard’s was before her and the list goes on. That troubles you? Well then- do something about it and stop the bigotry and attacks eh?

  • Jesse

    Very well said, Brody Levesque

  • Fran

    Well said, Cheryl. I am thinking myself of the Sonny and Cher show on TV I used to watch quite some time ago.

    They had a darling daughter named Chastity; that darling daughter has grown up and transformed herself into a man, Chaz.

    Although I cannot understand the reason for the change and don’t know anyone personally who has gone through this experience (and my daughter is still a daughter and happy because of it), it appears Chaz is doing fine and that his Mom supports him.

    I just know I will always love my daughter, even if she may do things I do not understand or do not agree with……….. 😀

  • Jennifer

    Considering you have nothing better to do but to post hateful spam on a website asking for tolerance, in response to someone who killed herself because of her parents’ actively hateful actions, I shudder to think that you can even exist around other people.

    I know who I am. Leelah knew who she was. Every other transgender person knows who they are; finding out who we are is a journey that we all take. The true tragedy in this world is that people will hate others simply for existing.

  • Jennifer

    You have “Leelah” in quotes, you’re misgendering her. Have you no shame? You might as well have been driving the truck, the way you’re acting.

  • Caz Holly

    Witness the hate in the name of Christ. Just the way Jesus would do it.
    “There is no longer slave nor free, Jew nor Greek, male nor female, for we are all one in Christ Jesus”

  • Ken Frensly

    Why isn’t the blame laid at the feet of Gays, Lesbians, Bi-Sexuals and Transgendered folk? Why “Christians?” There is nothing wrong to oppose the LGBT culture if you are Bible believing Christians. It utterly tears asunder the whole framework of the New Testament. And maybe that’s the goal. Humanism hasn’t done it. The “New Atheists” haven’t done it. The Democrats haven’t done it. Not even the materialism of the Right Wing has crushed the life out of The Church. But LGBT-ism stands to do just that. To literally alter Christian life into some kind of a cabaret orgy. And the laying on fo blame for some mentally ill child’s suicide if a perfect way to do it. BUT, where is the wonderful promise of a fabulous LGBT life? Why didn’t the lure into the wonderful rainbow splendor of LGBT life make all of troubles for this young man just fade away into a new and joyous life living as a gender he wasn’t born as?

    No, no and no. Lay the blame for this suicide precisely where it belongs. The LGBT community.


  • Ben in oakland

    blaming he victim! Blaming a 14 YEAR OLD VICTIM! And repeating a bunch of slander and lies, smugly and without the slightest hint of shame or irony.

    Christian love and compassion at its very best.

  • Ben in oakland

    “It utterly tears asunder the whole framework of the New Testament.”

    Who knew we were so powerful? Who knew that the entirety of Christian thought doesn’t boil down to “Love God. Love your neighbor,” but to “Get the gays.”

    The one thing that defines homo-bigoted Christians is their hysteria over the thought that this vicious prejudice is finally going to end.

    BTW, you’re dead wrong. They may be your physical children. but they are our spiritual children. and we WILL protect them.

  • The Great God Pan

    Christianity is a progressive ideology that is really just about spreading love and lifting up the downtrodden, not hatred and truth claims derived from literal interpretations of ancient texts.

    Just read the comments on this piece (do it quickly, they might get deleted in support of the myth).

  • You really took the Bible out of context. The “all things are permissible” passage is Paul talking about Christians arguing about eating food that has or hasn’t been sacrificed to idols. It’s not talking about gender or sexuality issues.

  • You’re misusing the Bible (taking it out of context). The passage you cite is Paul’s defense for salvation being possible for more than just the Jews. Following the Law doesn’t save us any more – following Christ saves us. Paul was not making a defense for blurring the lines between gender but talking about spiritual equality before God.

  • Frank Davis

    I am Frank “Mike” Davis, Next-Door-Neighbor of Leelah Alcorn (and husband of Annie Davis) writing this Comment: Leelah went to school with my children, and Leelah expressed her utter devastation when Leelah’s parents, upon learning she was “gay”, yanked Leelah from school, confiscated Leelah’s cell phone, deleted Leelah’s facebook profile, and isolated Leelah within her bedroom. She was no longer permitted to associate with my son who shared classes with Leelah at Kings High School. My son supported Leelah’s “coming out” and was one of few people who knew about Leelah’s transgender issues. …Leelah was always kind and soft spoken around me. I deeply regret that Leelah was forbidden to visit our home because my family has always wholeheartedly accepted Leelah without judgment and, maybe…just maybe…this tragedy would not have occurred if we could have shown our love and support for Leelah. …When the grief has been processed, Leelah’s parents need to admit and to believe that they made a mistake, rather than sanitize Leelah’s suicide, before any healing can begin in this Community.

    P.S. Must See Excellent Video: http://youtu.be/qW1tuFZ69ps

  • Ben in oakland

    Thank you, Frank.

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  • Ben in oakland

    Effin’ unbelievable. Words fail me–almost. So this is what Christian love, compassion, concern, and intelligence produce. Well, not Christian, but a certain type of so-called Christian, whose wholly imaginary superiority gets called forth whenever anything LGBT comes up.

    Not an ounce of sympathy or care, just moralizing, judgment, and despite. Comments like yours are everywhere on the internet where Leelah’s story is being told. It’s sickening.

    So much hate and ignorance, bile and despite, in just THREE sentences. If you are told you are damaged, worthless, and an affront to God every day of your childhood, it’s psychological torture of the worst sort. I was subjected to that when I was a child because I was also different. My gay brother was also subjected to that. He’s now my dead gay brother, dead by murder or suicide or both in a Mexican desert. Told by quack therapists that all he needed was to do some pushups or something, have sex with some girl, anything but being told to learn to love himself.


    When that is coming form your own parents, your bio-mom and bio-dad that so many so-called Christians insist is a must for every child– despite the evidence– it’s even worse. Being dismissed and rejected by your own parents is also psychological torture.

    Here’s a fact for you. Some people– the lucky ones like me– can stand up to it. Some, like my brother, cannot. Suicide was Leelah’s choice, absolutely. That which led to her suicide was not Leelah’s choice, but the choices of her uncompromising parents, her uneducated trash church, and “therapeutic” quacks who prefer their ideology to actual therapy, and who ought to be prosecuted for malpractice.

    Unconditional love in emphatically not love that comes with conditions. Leelah’s parents may have loved their son Joshua, and probably miss him. But I suspect that they really didn’t care at all for Leelah, and are glad she is gone.

    I have no idea if that’s the case. What I do know is that people whose despite of gay and transgendered children exceeds both their intellectual and compassionate abilities should not be allowed anywhere near such children.

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  • FreedByApostacy

    I can’t help but ask the question: Where was the love of your god in her life? Why didn’t the lure of everlasting life and peace sweep her off her feet into a life of joy and grace?

  • Robin

    It’s hard being a parent and wanting the best for your children..that said the only thing we can do is to love and accept them without condition, to leave them in the hands of Jesus, to let them know that nothing can take our love away from them. I think this is all we can do.

  • Doc Anthony

    So let’s just blame a couple of devastated, bereaved Christian parents for refusing to instantly convert to the LGBT religion when Joshua Alcorn made his own choice to become “Leelah Alcorn”. Let’s just blame those parents for holding firm to their biblical beliefs (instead of giving up and proclaiming “God made them LGBT” like some have done).

    And let’s also blame those parents for not feeding into Joshua’s crisis by using that false name of “Leelah”, and declining his request for sex-change surgery (the parents report that they did not have the money to do so anyway.)

    And let’s blame the parents for not allowing Joshua visit people who would effectively and immediately encourage Joshua to go down the transgender path, “come out”, and become “Leelah”, against the wishes of those parents. Let’s also blame the Christian parents for seeking out Christian therapists in an attempt to help Joshua.

    And let’s just keep on blaming those same devastated bereaved parents, even “after the grief has been processed”, until they “admit and to believe that they made a mistake” as you say.

    In fact, let’s all do like that pundit Dan Savage and tweet unbelievably vicious things like “Leelah Alcorn’s parents parents threw her in front of that truck….Charges should be brought.”

    Otherwise, you say, “healing (cannot) begin in this Community.” Am I hearing all this correctly, Mr. Davis? For real?

    If so, then wow. Just…wow. There truly is no middle ground in this homosexuality debate – nay, make that “No middle ground in this war.” Yes, I understand what you wrote. But Paul VanderKlay is correct: somebody IS tying an agenda to a suicide note.

    Let’s be honest: the LGBT community and their allies are ***exploiting*** a Christian family’s time of tragedy in order to sell THEIR socio-political agenda, and sell THEIR “gay theology”.

    There can be NO “healing in the community”, (to borrow your phrase), with all that LGBT you-better-surrender pressure being brought to bear upon that Christian family.

    I’m sincerely sorry to say this to you Mr. Davis, but the level of attack and hatred against those Bible-believing Christian parents, (who to all appearances did love their son and tried to do the best they could on a very difficult family problem), is approaching the demonic, in my opinion. Unbelievable.

    Right now that grieving family probably just wants to be left alone and slowly give their pain to God with the support of those who actually KNOW that family and share THEIR beliefs. No pundits, no media, no haters. Just needing privacy and time for God’s grace, healing, comfort, restoration.

    (The God of the Bible, that is. These days, you have to specify things.)

    If I find a public website that offers support for the Alcorn family, I will surely sign on and make some kind of contribution to them. No joke.

  • Well said, Brody.
    I want to know exactly what we can do to be more helpful to LGBTQ people.

    I agree that we all need to get up to speed fast.

  • @Ken,

    “Why isn’t the blame laid at the feet of Gays, Lesbians, Bi-Sexuals and Transgendered folk? Why “Christians?”

    The blame is not on ‘Christians’.
    It is on anyone or any philosophy that rejects being kind to innocent people.

    Yes, religion is full of hate for gay people. No kindness built in at all!
    “Kill homosexuals” – (Lev. 20:13)

    IF that is you, then the shoe fits.

  • Ben,

    “So this is Christian….?”

    It is sad, isn’t it? But let’s remember Christianity is – and has always been UGLY, VILE and INTOLERANT. That is its foundation.


    “Avoid Them”
    (Romans 16:17)

    (1 Corinthians 5:11)

    “Do not be deceived: Bad company ruins good morals.”
    (1 Corinthians 15:33)

    This cruelty must end.
    Not by law or by decree, but by sensible Christians finally waking up and dumping this divisive, sad nonsense.

  • @Chris Linzey,

    Paul was an inhuman, vile individual who promoted more hatred and misery on this earth in his vile letters than few other person in history!

    “have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.”
    (2 Thessalonian 3:14)

    “Keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.”
    (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

    “If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed!”
    (1 Corinthians 16:22)

    Ugh! The inhumanity!
    For shame! Wake up, people.

  • @Chris Holly,

    “Bring to me those enemies of mine and EXECUTE THEM IN FRONT OF ME.” – JESUS CHRIST (Luke 19:27)

    “The master shall cut him to pieces” – JESUS

    “Drown him” – JESUS

    “They are Dogs” – JESUS

    “They are Swine” – JESUS

    “They are fools” – JESUS

    “HATE YOUR MOTHER and father! hate your family, HATE YOUR CHILDREN – hate your very life” – JESUS (Luke 14:26)

    So despicable.

  • Larry

    Wow can you be a more callous d-bag Doc? You are sinking to a new low.

    Her parents are the ones who drove her to suicide because they followed the same hateful brand of Christianity as people like yourself. Your version of God is worthless. It brings nothing to society besides excuses to act badly to others. You are rejoicing in the suicide of a confused troubled teen and essentially saying the world was better off without her.

    There is definitely an agenda tied to the suicide note. One that people like yourself are the reason such teens contemplate suicide. The fact that people like yourself will find any excuse to attack such a person in their attempt to live with a modicum of dignity.

  • Doc Anthony

    Forget the name-calling, Larry. Besides, nobody is asking you to have any empathy or sympathy (or even rationality) towards these bereaved Christian parents who have had to walk through this situation, and you wouldn’t anyway.

    So please continue mindlessly hating on them; it will not make any difference. But do try to understand that absolutely nobody is “rejoicing over the suicide of a confused troubled teen.” Sheesh.

    By the way, that’s an interesting choice of adjectives you employed to describe Joshua Alcorn. “Confused” and “troubled.” People on both sides of this issue would agree with your choice of words, and me too. What we don’t agree on, is the difficult issue of transgenderism, and how **Christian** parents should respond to it.

    But that’s the rub, isn’t it? You sit on your throne and proclaim that Joshua’s mother drove him to suicide. Why? Because she IS a Christian who not only loved her son but also accepts the Bible’s statements about reality and based her responses towards her own “confused and troubled teen” from that position.

    And that’s the one position — biblical Christianity — that you hate most of all in this world.

    Hence you have no hesitation at all to toss your blame and hatred on those Christian parents for failing to convert to the LGBT religion and failing to throw in the towel regarding their son’s situation.

    Well, I disagree with such hatred, Larry. I really do. I don’t think Joshua’s parents deserves the threats and hate and viciousness that they’re getting. So I am speaking out against it. You don’t have to do that. I’ll do it for you.

    By the way, I found a brief article from Denny Burk that expresses much of what I personally believe about the transgenderism situation. May I share that one item, just to let you see where I’m coming from?


  • Larry

    Ask me if I care for an explanation for your statements? You have nothing to say that is remotely worthwhile.

    You pretty much admitted my statement. That the teen’s parent’s brand of Christianity drove her to suicide. One you wholeheartedly endorse.

    “What we don’t agree on, is the difficult issue of transgenderism, and how **Christian** parents should respond to it.”

    The issue of “transgenderism” is the issue of letting them live as human beings. Something you obviously do not approve of. You prefer them dead. The “issue” is handled by parents by treating their children with the kind of unconditional love one expects from sane normal parents who give a damn. Torturing them, ostracizing them, cutting them off from contact with others is hardly that. You may think such behavior is “Christian”, but that shows how worthless, spiteful and nasty your brand of religious belief is.

    “And that’s the one position — biblical Christianity — that you hate most of all in this world.”

    There is a compelling reason to dislike your version of Christianity. Your brand of “Biblical Christianity” has nothing to respect. It encourages ignorance, dishonesty and hate. There are no socially redeeming features to your brand of belief. The only difference between your brand of religion and the Taliban is access to heavy weaponry and petrodollars.

    “I don’t think Joshua’s parents deserves the threats and hate and viciousness that they’re getting.”

    They don’t deserve as much as people like yourself. Those who make excuses for their abusive destructive behavior. Those who are gladly rejoicing in cajoling a teen to suicide, like yourself. The parents deserve every bit of the blame. Take the religious excuses out of their behavior and you see abuse and torture. Its amazing how immoral one can act when they think God excuses their behavior.

    Could you be a more callous d-bag? Yes, just keep talking.

    Btw Denny Burk’s opinion on any given subject is worthless to me or any other sane human being.

  • Ben in oakland

    Denny Burks comments are justmore of the same. find the answers in the bible. If the bible had any answers on this question, there wouldn’t be one more dead child.

    Here isKathy Baldocks answer to Denny Burk.

    I would challenge you to take a college-level class or non- biblical based class/seminar on this issue.

    The Bible is not a treatise on gender studies. The concept of a person’s gender being incongruent with their biological sex has only gained medical recognition and acceptance within the past 75 years. Looking to the Bible for modern understanding and guidelines on gender is far outside the scope of its intent.

    If Christians alone were to treat cancer or any other medical condition per 1st century standards, that would be seen as ridiculous.

    I sat in the front row-center listening to you at ERLC. There will come a day when you finally realize that people are transgender and that it is not a moral issue or a condition praying or submission to God will “fix.”

    You may then realize the damage YOUR teachings and ideology infused theology has caused.

    Until then, PLEASE get out of your Bible bubble and seek EXPERT input. You are wrong on this issue. Your teachings and beliefs are counter to every major professional medical association.

    So either all those professionals are wrong, OR, you just might be.

    People look to leadership to lead and tell the truth. Find out the truth, then. please, lead in telling it.


    BTW, Doc, am I ever going to hear from you about your vast error on the subject of To’evah? will you ever explain why you are so virulently antigay?

  • Peter Newman

    Jesus would have shown Leelah love, compassion, respect and acceptance, four things denied her by her so-called Christian parents and fundamentalist religious hypocrites like yourself. Your article “What would Jesus Have Said…” is absurd in the extreme. Just a bunch of soft-soap hogwash designed to make you feel good about your own outdated religious delirium.

  • Doc Anthony

    Those are some interesting remarks from the pro-gay activist Kathy Baldock, Ben. Let me offer a response.

    In a nutshell, who is Kathy Baldock? Dr. Michael Brown, while discussing her review of one of Brown’s excellent books, summarizes her position this way:

    “While Kathy and I have never met, both of us profess to be committed followers of Jesus and to love the GLBT community, yet we have markedly different perspectives on what the Bible says about homosexual practice and on what our response to homosexuality should be.”

    That sounds about right. But actually, Dr. Brown is being a bit charitable. For Kathy Baldock’s stated perspectives on what the Bible says on topics like homosexuality / gay marriage, are as wrong as a 3-dollar bill.

    She had better not EVER engage either Michael Brown or Denny Burk in a one-on-one public debate (whether a university, church, or internet venue) regarding the Bible’s position regarding homosexuality, gay marriage, or transgenderism. If she does, she will lose very clearly and very badly.

    So it does not surprise me to see Baldock calling on Denny Burk to simply abandon the Bible’s perspective on these issues (in this case transgenderism), and instead to “seek EXPERT input.”

    Well, let’s work with that for a second. Burk wrote, “You are going to hear some people claim that transgender feelings in children are fixed and immutable. What you likely won’t hear is that about 70%-80% of children who report having transgender feelings eventually grow out of them.”

    Well, believe it or not Ben, that IS some “expert input” right there on the table, that Professor Burk provided. Here’s the proof:

    “Over the past 30 years, Dr. Kenneth Zucker, a psychologist and head of the gender-identity service at the Center for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, has worked with about 500 preadolescent gender-variant children. In his studies, 80 percent grow out of the behavior, but 15 to 20 percent continue to be distressed about their gender and may ultimately change their sex.” — from the article “Child Healing: Strengthening Familes”, (Institute of Marital Healing, psychiatrist Dr. Rick Fitzgibbons and staff, Catholic-oriented), located at:

    So yes, Kathy’s request for “expert input” was already included by Burk anyway.

    Therefore, while I sincerely thank Ben for taking the time to read Denny Burk’s article and search for any rational criticisms of it, (You see what Ben did, Larry? That’s what YOU should have been able to do!), I nevertheless find Denny Burk to be far more convincing than Kathy Baldock on these important issues. It is Burk, NOT Baldock, who is providing the correct leadership around here.

    On another issue, I would be happy to re-visit the to’evah abomination issue if you like. I think the Bible is pretty clear on it.

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