Self-described Christians sniping on email have forgotten Jesus’ teachings (COMMENTARY)

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David Iglesias, Director of the J. Dennis Hastert Center for Economics, Government, and Public Policy. Photo courtesy of Wheaton College (Ill.)

David Iglesias, Director of the J. Dennis Hastert Center for Economics, Government, and Public Policy. Photo courtesy of Wheaton College (Ill.)

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WHEATON, Ill. (RNS) The vile emails that so-called Christians send to an outspoken church-state watchdog activist display an appalling rejection of Christ’s message of peace, forgiveness and reconciliation.

  • Karla

    The Bible says if you have a sharp tongue your religion is worthless so
    mean people need to bridle their sharp tongue but with so many people
    today that are only focusing on gay marriage and abortion other sin like
    being mean/sharp tongues,gossip,gambling,getting drunk,jealousy are
    being forgotten, Luke 13 says Repent or perish! We all must Repent!

  • “the weaponized use of Scripture….claim to be Christians and then write the most un-Christ like emails I’ve ever seen. What would Jesus do with his opponents today? He wouldn’t threaten violence and death to those he disagreed with …..”


    “The master shall cut him to pieces” – Jesus (Luke 12)
    JESUS describes what he intends to do to his own enemies.

    “..bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King, and execute them in front of me.” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    “Drown him with a millstone” (Matt 18:6)

    “And why do you break the command of God
    for the sake of your tradition? …. ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’ ” (Matthew 15:3)

    “…if they are unworthy..REMOVE your blessing of peace.” – JESUS (Matt 10:13)

    “I have come to bring FIRE…What constraints! I am impatient to bring NOT PEACE BUT DIVISION.” – Jesus (Luke 12:49-51)

    “Hate your parents…hate your life” – Jesus (Luke 14:26)

    “Eat of my body” and “Be baptized and believe” or “Be condemned to Hell” – Jesus (John 6:53-54) (Mark 16:16).

    “I shall kill her children with Death” – Jesus (REV. 2:23)

    “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death…for ME.” – JESUS (Matthew 10:21)

    “I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his daughter, and a daughter against her mother, AND A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW AGAINST HER MOTHER-IN-LAW; and A MAN’S ENEMIES WILL BE THE MEMBERS OF HIS HOUSEHOLD.” – JESUS (Matthew 10:35)

    “And whosoever will not receive you, when ye go out of that city, shake off the very dust from your feet AS A TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM.” – JESUS (Luke 9:3-5)

    “For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commands and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” – JESUS (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

    “not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law” – JESUS (Matthew 5:18-19)

    Inhabitants of conquered cities
    Victims of rape
    People who work on Sunday
    Uncircumcised men
    Men who have sex with women who are menstruating
    Ignorers of Priests
    Ignorers of Sacraments
    people who drink blood
    People who eat peace offerings
    People who let food go bad
    People who do magic tricks
    People who go to temple while filthy
    fortune tellers
    False prophets
    People who approach the Tabernacle
    Pretenders of witchcraft
    Pretenders of other religions
    Stubborn children
    Rebellious children
    Children who disagree with their parents
    Women who marry their daughters
    People who are irresponsible with their bulls
    People who pretend to worship idols
    People who actually worship idols
    Unruly children
    Slaves who run away
    Slaves who disobey
    Wives who disobey
    Men who steal
    Women who steal
    Children who steal
    Children who pretend to be witches

    There would be nobody left.


    (1 Corinthians 5:11)

    “Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals.” (1 Corinthians 15:33)

    “But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.” (1 Corinthians 5:11)

    “If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting” (2 John 1:10)

    “Avoid Them” (Romans 16:17)

    “For whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.” (2 John 1:11)

    “If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault.” (Matthew 18:15)

    “As for a person who stirs up division, after warning him once and then twice, have nothing more to do with him, knowing that such a person is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned.” (Titus 3:9-11)

    “Let him who has done this be removed from among you.” (1 Corinthians 1:13)

    “have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.” (2 Thessalonian 3:14)

    “Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.” (2 Thessalonians 3:6)

    “If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed! Come, Lord!” (1 Corinthians 16:22)


    “deem them unworthy…remove your blessings of peace.” – JESUS (Matthew 10:13)

    “Don’t waste….on the people who are unholy. Don’t throw your pearls to pigs!” – JESUS (Matthew 7:6)

    “shake the dust off…FOR A TESTIMONY AGAINST THEM.” – JESUS (MARK 6:11)


    Other than that, I don’t see where Christians
    get this idea of wanting others to be mutilated and blown to bits.

    “My peace I leave you”- Jesus

    Right. Thanks for nothing Jeebus.

  • Karla,

    “if you have a sharp tongue your religion is worthless..”


    “You fool!” – JESUS (Matthew 5:22)
    “They are dogs!” – JESUS (Matthew 15:26)
    “they are swine!” – Jesus (Matthew 7:6)

  • Doc Anthony

    Ummm…this is one of those times in which the Atheists might need to tone it down as well.

  • Doc,

    “Atheists might tone it down as well”

    But I was completely silent.
    All I did was quote Jesus and the scriptures
    yet you suggest I ‘tone it down’? I said nothing.

    Oh, the irony.

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  • Wingsthree

    Oh the irony is an understatement.

  • Chris K.

    “But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.” Sounds like these “Christians” are turning out some pretty rotten fruit, indeed. No Spirit there.

  • Ben in oakland

    If you really want an earful of what constitutes the hearts of some so called christians, try being a gay person at the receiving end of Christian love. one of my recent favorites was Patsy Robertson’s claim that gay men in San francisco has special rings to cut the hands of people and give them aids. Calling us child molesters has always maintained its popularity ever since the Orange Queen first raised her well coiffed reptilian snout above above a Florida swamp 37 years ago. There is also always Cardinal George and his gays people have lost touch with their humanity jingle.

    The only thing that drown out the voices of the NALT christians are the blatant lies of the people like Robertson. The only noise that drowns THAT out are the cries of persecution and intolerance when the exactly-like-that christians get called on it.

  • Ben,

    “The only noise that drowns THAT out are the cries of persecution and intolerance when the exactly-like-that christians get called on it.”

    And I never tire of it.

    Religion finds baseless reasons to divide communities and it argues for death – not only to sinners but for oneself.
    The Christian theory of life is a profoundly evil and despicable set of preachments:

    “have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.” (2 Thessalonians 3:14)

    What civilized person could teach a child such evil garbage?

  • Doc Anthony

    NOT too impressed with the non-Christian side of the fence either.

  • Charles

    This is the most logical, best researched, and Christlike response I have read yet. Every time one disagrees with those who wish to condone sin, they start yelling hate. What is wrong with hating sin and labeling those who OPENLY practice it as sinners? Jesus hated sin and loved the sinner, which is what we should do. However, sin often blinds one to just what sin is. Recognizing openly committed sin does not require super intelligence, just a bit of common sense.

    Matthew 7:20King James Version (KJV)
    “20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

  • Why are you not impressed with Oxfam International? Or Doctors Without Borders? Or International Red Cross and other non-Christian, non-religious efforts to save the world.

    They don’t discriminate against anyone.
    Unlike Catholic Charities which won’t give condoms to the wives of AIDS patients and refuses care of endometriosis and other female problems.

  • Jack

    Ho hum, another day, another Max spam….

    Comic relief of sorts.

  • Charles,

    “Every time one disagrees with those who wish to condone sin, they start yelling hate.”

    Isn’t it immoral to behead people or cut off their limbs just because they made a small mistake?

    “Execute them in front of me” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    Or am I just being old fashioned by calling that disgusting?

  • “Christianity” is not something to respect.

    “The Christian Way” is not a way of forgiveness or goodness.
    It is a dictatorial, delusional and dangerous.

    I never tire of pointing it out.
    Hopefully one or two other people will agree that this stuff needs to be completely re-considered and properly debunked.

    Religion must be abandoned.

  • Jack

    The Mikey Weinstein saga is an interesting sign of our divided times. It’s a saga without heroes on either side.

    Weinstein saw clear instances of professing Christians in the armed forces overstepping all bounds. These were not the majority of Christians, including evangelicals. They were a small, vocal group of dominionists, those believing in a theology that virtually every organized group in Christendom has condemned as heresy, from Catholics to the Assemblies of God.

    Part of this heresy teaches a form of triumphalism, that Christians are supposed to take over every institution of society, essentially imposing what looks to me like a theocracy, and rule before Christ’s return. In its most extreme forms, it even denies the literal return of Christ, something that every church has affirmed from the dawn of Christianity.

    Given that some of these folks occupied positions of real authority in the military, they made some trouble, especially for the majority of evangelicals who wanted nothing to do with such teachings.

    And they also provided a great excuse for people on the opposite side of the cultural divide — those who want to drive all forms of religious expression out of the public square, something that is clearly unconstitutional. (Freedom of expression means freedom of expression, religious as well as non-religious expression)

    That appears to include Weinstein, who has used slash-and-burn tactics in his own overreaching. He has rightly stood up against the theocratic impulses of the dominionist people, but he sided with the opposite extreme and essentially supported what amounts to a broader witch hunt against those who were not dominionists.

    Mainstream Christians, in turn, blundered by closing ranks rather than admitting that Weinstein at least had a point about the dominionists. He didn’t make his case easier by painting with a broad brush, but theologically intelligent Christians should know the difference between the historic Biblical faith and heresy.

    Result: This turned into the latest ugly battle in the culture war.

    Shame on all sides for this.

    And special shame goes to those who wish terrible things to happen to their fellow human beings. I reserve such hatred for tyrants and mass murderers.

  • Jack

    Be careful what you wish for, Max.

    The last time I examined your laundry lists of spam carefully, I detected errors not only of interpretation, but simple quotation. You couldn’t even be trusted to quote a passage accurately. And when you were called on it, you pretended nothing had happened and continued posting erroneously.

    Question: if you’re confident of your position on God and the Bible, why the need to lie and distort — and the inability to come clean when caught in simple errors of fact?

  • Jack,

    You mean quotes like this?

    “And the Lord said, ‘Bring forth my Zombies of death’ ” – (Matthew 27:52)

    Until you explain how the zombies of the Lord actually grew their vocal chords I’m going to keep asking you.

  • Re: “Part of this heresy [dominionism] teaches a form of triumphalism, that Christians are supposed to take over every institution of society, essentially imposing what looks to me like a theocracy, and rule before Christ’s return.”

    Interesting you’d call dominionism a “heresy.” Because there was a time when Christians dealt rather strongly with “heresy.” They rooted it out and destroyed it wherever they could find it. A lot of the time they were successful. Frequently they used violence to do so, but they also employed other, more humane tools, such as excommunication and shunning in order to do so.

    One wonders why such tools aren’t being used now. Seems to me, if dominionism is the “fringe” notion it’s claimed to be, it’d be trivial for more reasonable Christians to marginalize them and relegate them to the sidelines, never to be heard from. But that’s not what they’re doing. Not at all! Quite the opposite, what they’ve done instead is to elect them to important offices such governor (e.g. Sam Brownback), the House (e.g. Louie Gohmert), the Senate (e.g. Ted Cruz) and state Supreme Courts (e.g. Roy Moore), etc.

    Sorry but simply don’t buy that most Christians in the US view dominionism as a “heresy.” At least, they don’t behave collectively as though they think it is one. Seems to me they actually sort of like the idea of it and are looking to see if it plays out in their favor.

  • Jack


    You’ve just been caught in yet another lie:

    Jesus does not call anyone a “fool” in Matthew 5:22. On the contrary, He is criticizing others for doing exactly that:

    “But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother shall be subject to judgment. And whoever says…..’You fool!” shall be subject to…[Gehenna].”

    This is not the first time you’ve been caught lying about what the Bible says…and I suspect it won’t be the last, either.

  • Jack

    Note that I wrote this post before discovering yet another Max fabrication — his claim that in Matthew 5: 22, Jesus calls people fools. So I checked Matthew 5:22, and sure enough, Max was lying again. In that verse, Jesus was actually criticizing people who call other people fools. He was saying exactly the opposite of Max’s accusation.

    Clearly, Max cannot be trusted to tell us what Jesus or anyone else is saying in the Bible. There’s no substitute for readers to check out the verses for themselves.

  • Ah. Gotta love it. A sterling example of the old “tone argument” (

    For the record, the “tone” of the Christians quoted in the original article kind of makes it hypocritical for Christians to later use the “tone argument” against their religion’s critics. After all, wasn’t it the founder of your own religion who said something along those lines?

    Oh, that’s right, here you go … the words of Jesus ripped right from two gospels:

    “Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ and behold, the log is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.” (Mt 7:3-5)

    “Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Brother, let me take out the speck that is in your eye,’ when you yourself do not see the log that is in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take out the speck that is in your brother’s eye.” (Lk 6:42)

    The bottom line: If you object to atheists’ “tone” and complain when you think it’s not acceptable, you must first be willing to police the “tone” of your co-religionists. If you can’t or won’t do that, you have no moral grounds for critiquing anyone else’s “tone.”

  • JACK,

    “another lie”

    I pointed to Matthew 5:22 because it is EXACTLY the demonstration of nonsense which appears with Jesus. If you knew your Bible you would know that Matthew 5:22 is the set up for the blatant cursing that Jesus does only a few chapters later !!

    “You BLIND FOOLS”…JESUS (Matthew 23:17)

    I do get very tired giving Bible lessons to people who claim to know it better than an atheist!

    ATHEISTS are the authority on the Bible. Reading it is how we became Atheists to begin with!

  • @Jack,

    “Max lies and distorts!”


    “You BLIND FOOLS!” – Jesus (Matthew 23:17)

    I pointed to Matthew 5:22 to show exactly where Jesus warns against the very same thing he tells others not to do!

    My only mistake was to assume you actually have a working knowledge of the Bible!

  • Psi,
    Well, said.

  • Jack

    Max, just admit it… were caught yet again in a whopper of a lie, as everyone can attest who compared your post to my posting of what Matthew 5:22 actually says. The verse says precisely the opposite of what you led your readers to believe it said.

    The word for that is “lying,” and that’s what you just did.

    If you’re so sure you’re right in all your posts, you wouldn’t have to resort to such deceit. The fact that you do so repeatedly speaks volumes.

    People who truly believe what they’re saying will not habitually lie in service to their arguments.

  • Jack

    Wrong, Max. You made a specific claim that Jesus said one thing in Matthew 5:22, when He said exactly the opposite in that verse.

    You had hoped that nobody would fact-check it, since nobody has the time to fact-check all of your scriptural references and whether they all fit with your spin on them.

    But from my perspective, Max, every time I have had a serious question about one of your interpretations and have gone to the verses themselves, I’ve found you’ve lied blatantly about their content.

    Remember your “zealot” claim, Max? That’s one of many…..including your latest whopper.

  • Jack

    I can’t speak for politicians because politicians aren’t exactly known for strict adherence to anything other than getting elected. But I can definitely say that at least in its purest form, dominionism is condemned by virtually every denomination, communion, and movement in Christendom. As I mentioned, the logic of it — if we follow it to its conclusion — leads to denial of the second coming of Christ….since if Christians can perfect the world, why would a return be necessary?

  • @Jack,

    You have been caught not knowing your Bible. Get over it.

    Jesus not only is a name-caller (as I correctly claimed)
    but according to Jesus he is the worst kind of name caller – Jesus is worthy of HELL.

    “…And whoever says, ‘YOU FOOL,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.” – JESUS (Matthew 5:22)

    “You blind FOOLS”- JESUS>/b> (Matthew 23:17)

    You were wrong.
    I was correct. Get over it.

  • Jack,

    “You made a specific claim that Jesus said one thing in Matthew 5:22, when He said exactly the opposite in that verse.”


    I was specifically responding to KARLA who said:

    “if you have a sharp tongue your religion is worthless..”

    I referred her to three chapters and verses where that question is addressed and KARLA seems to have fully accepted them:

    “You fool!” – JESUS (Matthew 5:22)
    “They are dogs!” – JESUS (Matthew 15:26)
    “they are swine!” – Jesus (Matthew 7:6)

    How many times do you want to go over this?

    I do not need to tell lies.
    Jesus tells the lies, I am here to correct them.
    Matthew, Mark, Luke, John and Paul spread the lies – not me.

    THIS is an example of a lie:

    “The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.…” – (Matthew 27:52)

    The bible is full of this nonsense. I’m happy to list as many lies as you want to throw at me.

    Imagine the irony
    of you accusing people of lying while you sell this pack of Zombie lies as if it is true. Astonishing blinders you have there!

  • Jack

    Max, you lied about the verse. It says the opposite of what you said. And it says so plainly….unmistakably….

    So not only do you lie repeatedly, you can’t even admit it when you’re caught red-handed…..again….and again….and again.

  • Jack

    Max, you have been lying habitually, and the proof is that each time you are called on it, you go on to post the same thing as though you’d never been corrected. For example, you repeatedly claimed Paul was a member of the Zealot party, and then cited two verses that said nothing of the kind. I then posted those verses and after your making several attempts to weasel out of it, despite several posters calling you out on it, you ended up reposting your original error.

    You have the right to your own opinion on anything, Max, but you don’t have a right to misrepresent what writers are saying, going so far as to say they mean the opposite of the plain words….and hoping nobody will fact-check you.

    The fact that you have to resort to this shows how weak your position really is in your own eyes. You should have no need for such deception if you were convinced in your heart that you were right.

  • @Jack,

    Your “Christian sniping” is very apropos of this story.
    My response to Karla was completely honest.

    Karla had no idea that Jesus was a name caller.
    I pointed her to relevant chapters and verses which I am happy to keep repeating.

    It is apparently burning you up that an Atheist like myself has a better working knowledge of the Bible than most Christians.

  • @Jack,

    “You should have no need for such deception if you were convinced in your heart that you were right.”

    Paul was a Zealot. I stand by that comment.
    Jesus was a name-caller. I stand by that comment.
    Jesus indicted himself as worthy of Hell. I stand by that comment.

    I never backed away from these statements. But if evidence were to be presented to change my opinion on those comments I would gladly re-assess – you have shown no evidence and no argument that shows I am wrong.

    Jesus is a fictional character and the Bible is a book of fables. It was written by hundreds of people – maybe thousands – and the contradictions and bogus in its pages is embarrassingly high.

    Paul appears to have been a real person. But not Jesus, not according to the stories which depict Jesus as a retread of other myths and legends.

    Telling anyone that this Bible “is true” is to commit the biggest lie in history and that is the lie you push with every post you make.

  • Fran


    How can Christians perfect the world since all mankind are sinners, imperfect and continue to die? (Romans 5:12)

  • Re: “But I can definitely say that at least in its purest form, dominionism is condemned by virtually every denomination, communion, and movement in Christendom.”

    I will repeat my question: If dominionism is such an extreme, “fringe” heresy, how and why have so many other Christians — most of whom, one assumes, belong to denominations that condemn dominionism — voted so many dominionists into power?

    Please explain.

    As far as I’m concerned, people are what they vote for. If they vote for dominionists, then they’re dominionists. The clear lesson here is that, by virtue of how they vote, Christians don’t actually view dominionism as the extreme “fringe” heresy you claim it to be.

    If they’re wrong about this, then you need to correct them. Telling me to ignore it, is sort of like the Wizard of Oz booming out, “Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.” This was a laughable line in the movie, and it’s laughable for you to use it on me. I refuse to do ignore the rather obvious dominionist leanings of American Christendom. So stop telling me I must do so. Instead, go out and correct your co-religionists. The sooner you do so, the better it will be for all of us.