• Nate

    Wheaton college’s Ministry Associate for Spiritual Care is Julie Rodgers, a celibate gay Christian. By “engaged directly,” then, you mean “changed their position about the issue?” What kind of action are you asking for?

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Americans are increasingly angry at these Schools For Homophobia. Freedom Of Religion does not mean anti-gays can attack LGBT Americans and get away with it by calling their homophobia a “sincerely held religious belief.” Homophobia isn’t a “belief,” it is a mental disorder.

  • Eliel Cruz

    I love Julie! She’s great. But no I wasn’t talking about changing their opinion. But about engaging the LGBT student body directly not just in close door meetings but giving them platforms to share their stories/concerns.

  • RE Ramcharan

    Wheaton College is supposed to be one of our leading conservative evangelical institutions. If what Time magazine says is so (and sometimes it is), they seem to have veered off into Westboro Baptist territory. We think this guy is wrong in his critique of the college’s Statement of Faith and the Community Covenant, but anybody who interrupts a chapel service to throw fruit at a speaker with whom he disagrees doesn’t belong in college.
    Worse yet, The news comes two days after another Wheaton College student was arrested for secretly videorecording a woman in the shower.
    The fish rots from the head first.

  • Eliel Cruz

    I wouldn’t say this about Wheaton. A rogue student doesn’t reflect the institution as a whole — definitely not the student body. The situation was handled by administrators and the student is no longer on campus. I’m pointing to a greater issue in which Christian colleges as a whole don’t engage their LGBT students. We need to let them have voices on campuses so incidents like these, in my opinion, are less likely to happen.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    I agree about your central point that allowing LGBT students and their supporters free speech rights will work to reduce incidents like these. But we really don’t know how well Wheaton administrators or other students at that Town Hall event responded, Mr. Cruz. While I understand there are laws about what information colleges can release, I would like to know how many students present identified the student who threw the apple to Wheaton administrators. That unavailable information would determine how well or poorly his misdeed defines the student body. As for “no longer on campus,” what does that mean? “Don’t come to classes until this blows over, get notes from other students in your classes, and you can catch up later”? Or was the student genuinely disciplined? We don’t even know if the dangerous letter was the work of the same person. What will genuinely demonstrate what Wheaton administrators learned from these 2 events is in the future. I suggest Americans will be watching.

  • Doc Anthony

    Wheaton and some other Christian colleges are facing a huge crisis right now, as this incident demonstrates..

    Kudos to Wheaton, of course, for quickly kicking the apple-throwing bonehead out of school. Hopefully the local or state police will visit “Roland Hesse” and discuss the illegality of assaulting people, followed by giving Hesse a personal month-long, 24/7 tour of their best hoosegow.

    But even that outcome would NOT eliminate Wheaton’s huge crisis. Nope.

    I wish some specific quotations had been given about what Wheaton’s president actually said. That’s preferable to a generalized summary-claim like “The President responded skirting the question and reaffirming the stated position of the college.”

    But if Fillion’s summary-claim is correct, then the president’s “skirting” is indeed reflective of the crisis at hand. Under constant pressure from gay activists, Wheaton has been tap-dancing to some degree, around the issue of the Bible versus homosexual behavior. But tap-dancing doesn’t solve the issue at all. What the Bible calls an “uncertain trumpet”, doesn’t help at all.

    So I can’t blame Philip Fillion for asking a question designed to strike directly at the tap-dancing stuff. He probably did Wheaton a big favor, imo.

    The president should have given Fillion a straight honest answer — a straight honest uncompromising 1 Cor. 6:9-11 answer. The president should have told Fillion that he was completely wrong to employ the phrase “spurious theology” in his question. And then the president should have unilaterally extended the Q & A session by an extra hour, so he could caringly, carefully, (and most of all Biblically), explain the situation in detail, taking a clear stand.

    Of course, that’s easy for me to say — my workaday job doesn’t depend on maintaining a degree of official tap-dancing regarding a tough and difficult sin-issue. But THIS crisis isn’t going away, until the tap-dancing stops.

  • Wow!
    What a disgrace to Wheaton College!

    It is very hard to read these kinds of stories and walk away with any respect for religion. People are free to have religion – but it should be about as honorable as if someone says they believe in mermaids.

    The bully’s sign reads, “WARNING….Jesus Christ defines me…fear God!”
    This is how he justifies a physical assault on a harmless kid for asking a question!

    I wonder if Roland Hesse’s parents are proud of this disgraceful thing?
    I would disown the fascist little jerk.

    Christianity continues to be a generator of hate and division since it was invented by hundreds of delusional nut cases 2000 years ago.

    Priests and Pastors who want to help society should take note of all this superstitious, hateful idiocy and quit these horrific preachings.

  • Billysees

    Therefore, accept each other just as Christ has accepted you so that God will be given glory……..Romans 15:7

    Would that verse help the issue of what to do with the LGBT community?

  • Deana Holmes

    What will Wheaton and the rest of the Evangelical Christian Industrial Complex do when GLBT persons are fully integrated into civil society, instead of shunned as pariahs? Will they then retreat into an Evangelical ghetto, as Bob Jones University did for so many years over interracial dating?

    There’s so much more I could say here, but I’ll be blunt: Don’t use your religion to prop up your rank bigotry. We don’t need that here in the USA.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    That’s why Americans increasingly call that other poster’s “religion” Christianism, Ms. Holmes. Christianism is a political movement, not a religion.

  • CarrotCakeMan

    Let’s just hope the apple thrower was genuinely punished. We don’t know that. Of course, the college officials will claim that, now that the threatening letter has been made public.

  • ben in oakland

    Let he among you who is without sin throw the first apple.

    All of us may be sinners. Only some of us are throwing apples.

    Look not for the apple seed in thy brother’s eye, lest you miss the beam of applewood in your own.

    “The man said, “The woman whom you gave to be with me, she gave me fruit from the tree, and I ate.” Then I threw the core at some fag because, y’know, Jeeeeesus.

  • Billysees,

    If you are looking for a verse in a book to express your pre-determined judgement of a situation – You have already acted morally and you never needed the verse. Looking for a good verse is ITSELF THE MORAL ACT.

    Besides, your verse from Romans is rotten and dehumanizing
    because it is directly conjoined to this one:
    “Avoid Them” (Romans 16:17)

  • David

    Ministry Associate for Spiritual Care? Does that mean she’s the one who supplies the apples?

  • David

    “The situation was handled” only after it went public. Prior to that, “the situation” wasn’t handled. And “the situation” was an assault, in broad daylight, in front of the President of the College and an auditorium of witnesses. So yeah, the thug and his thuggery reflect the good work of Wheaton College in shaping its students into true Christians.

  • Billysees


    Check out this — http://biblehub.com/romans/16-17.htm

    That ‘avoid them’ comment would seem to apply to something different than Romans 15:7

    By the way, I always use ‘biblehub.com’ as my quickie source of many translations or parallel verses to help me understand what’s being said. But I get there by googling the word or phrase or sentence and then select biblehub.

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