Iowans: Trump’s attack on Carson’s faith will fail

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DES MOINES — Iowa Republicans say Donald Trump's sneak attack on Ben Carson's religion won't work.

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  • Garson Abuita

    Carson is too progressive?? God “created Sunday as the Sabbath, not Saturday”? [check the Ten Commandments lady]. I think these people might have gone to too many pancake breakfasts. Seriously though, if Santorum as a Catholic could win, Carson can too. He just has to establish his evangelical credentials, like a non-Italian working with La Cosa Nostra [comparison for illustration purposes only, not to equate LCN and the evangelical movement].

  • Larry

    Don’t worry about the Seventh Day Adventist thing, endemic racism in the GOP is more of a detriment to Carson’s chances in the primary than sectarianism. The chances of the rank and file majority of the GOP electing a black man to represent them for president is astronomically low.

    Evangelical voters were willing to hold their noses to vote for a Mormon the last time around. They would do so for a Seventh Day Adventist.

    In the wild chance it does happen, it will be hilarious when the various conservative Catholic organizations give him their endorsement (as they do all Republican candidates for president). The SDA is virulently anti-Catholic. Moreso than most Protestant sects. Not just minor passive-aggressive hostility and anti-pathy, the SDA has a full blown hatred of the Catholic sect at its core. Calling them all sorts of Eschatological insults.

  • TTP

    Ben Carson sticks to the Truth that God/Jesus made it known that He is
    real through the miracle of creation because the earth didn’t creat itself
    but man chooses to deny God/Jesus/the Truth cause they love their sin.
    God is eternal/was not created so that’s where faith comes in to trust Him.

  • Larry

    The guy is a creationist. That means he cares little for truth and is willing to lie in service of his faith.

    There is no such thing as honest Creationism. An honest person states they believe because they have faith. Faith is belief in the absence of evidence or reason. A creationist claims faith is unnecessary and pretends to have evidence to support their belief.

    Creationists will say anything to support their religious belief. They care nothing of evidence or of credible methods of fact-finding. Its merely means to an end for validation. A very immature take on both rational methods of proof and religious belief.

  • Jack

    I got a chuckle out of that, too — ie God creating Sunday as the Sabbath.

    That sounds like an old “church lady” skit from Saturday Night Live.

    But the real fact that makes evangelicals look awfully silly is how more of them want Trump than say, Cruz. If they want a person of authentic faith like Carson, but they don’t want Carson, then Cruz, not Trump, should be their logical choice.

    I think this is a reflection of how evangelical Christians in America are intellectually the runt of the litter compared to evangelicals in other nations. I hate to say it, but it needs to be said. Support for Trump is just one more piece of evidence for it.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    That’s an interesting point. I haven’t met any fundamentalists from other countries, but I know there are some. If they subject themselves to more intellectual rigor than American fudagelicals do, that’s excellent, because right-wing American religion is certainly informed by stupidity. They also are not trying to institute theocratic dictatorship like American fundagelicals do, either.

    The Seventh Day Adventists are said to have grown out of the “Millerites,” some disciples of a the-end-is-here guy named Miller, after their “Great Disappointment” when the world didn’t end and presumably all the people they hated were carted off to hades or whatever. They do operate an impressive medical college and teaching hospital at Loma Linda, California, where I have received healthcare services when I lived in San Bernadino county there. That “the Sabbath must be on Saturday” stuff has got to be one of the most obscurationist arguments ever though.

  • George Nixon Shuler

    As to the author’s thesis, sure, it’s right – Iowa Republicans take their advocacy of theocracy seriously. Trump’s a Presbyterian? I’ll bet a C-Note his church is PCUSA, the liberal Presbyterian denomination which is a lot like Episcopalian, Methodist, etc., in other words, normal. that makes him practically a commonist as far as right-wing Iowa GOP caucus goers think.

  • cheryl

    words in this article sure did not sound like persons of faith…. sounded MORE like political hacks. What Donald Trump said was not in attack in anyway… it was a factual statement. And anyone who could EVEN consider Ben Carson presidential material has a screw loose! The man has a background NOBODY wants to talk about..so lets talk about how he IS today! He talks with his eyes closed, parches his words as though he is always reading a script and has changed his mind within DAYS on every issue that gets any controversy. Donald Trump is very focal about how he feels on nearly every issue and NEVER changes what he says…regardless of who does not like it. Very much a man of conviction, as well as years of PROVEN business success and negotiation skills, NONE of which Ben Carson knows the LEAST about…so unless Iowans need brain surgery I really cannot figure out exactly after he attends church every Sunday WHAT they expect him to do for this Country? COMMON SENSE please.

  • Bernardo
  • Garson Abuita

    Yes Cheryl, “I don’t know about Seventh-day Adventism” was a factual statement on il Duce’s part, just not in the way you meant it. Trump never changes what he says…except concerning Hillary Clinton, drugs, foreign wars, the flat tax. Minor things. I also agree that his business skills are proven — he’s so incompetent that he filed for bankruptcy four times. A man of conviction– yes, he certainly was convinced that he didn’t want to be blown to pieces in Vietnam so he got deferments for his toe ouchy. Finally, did you really read this entire article and miss the fact that Carson doesn’t go to church on Sunday? Now tell me that Obama supporters are low-information voters.

  • Jack

    Theologically, I consider myself to be evangelical, although I’m one who attends a mainline, albeit evangelical-leaning, church. But on the whole, I’m a lot more impressed with the like-minded people I’ve met elsewhere in the world, from Denmark to Britain to Germany. The intellectual level is higher, and in many cases, I see more signs of spiritual maturity. I think that if evangelicals in America were to face real tribulation or persecution, too many of them would fold like a house of cards. There’s far too much whining here about how the culture is declining, and not enough tough introspection on how the laziness of evangelicals, spiritually and politically (most don’t vote), is playing a big role.

  • Jack

    In other words, George, evangelicals in America are too nice, too complacent, and too passive. They are being accused of being the opposite precisely because too many of their enemies know it and know that not enough are going to fight back.

    The situation is similar to the reaction of America’s enemies to America in the post-9/11 world. If America were really the bully it was accused of being, its foes would be too scared to say so. It is precisely because America’s response to 9/11 and to terrorism in general has been so minimalist — even under the supposedly tough President Bush — that it has emboldened its enemies to say the opposite.

  • Fran

    The truth is that God has no beginning and no end (Psalm 90:2), but Jesus, the son of God (Matt. 3:17) had a start, and he is referred to as the “Amen, the faithful and true witness and the beginning of the creation by God” (Revelation 3:14). Jesus will now have no end since he proved faithful to God until his death on earth.

  • Jack

    Bernardo, most people never have and never will cast their votes for President based on the candidates’ views on abortion. Rightly or wrongly, other issues rank far higher in their calculus.

  • Fran

    This is in reply to TTP’s post.

  • Bernardo

    Please read the website and others previously presented that show that abortion is an important issue when voting.

  • Larry

    Because they haven’t started voting on a national level and the establishment hates Trump.

    “America’s party of racism historically has been the Democratic party”

    Which stopped being relevant after 1964 when those segregationist Democrats jumped ship to form the social conservative/religious right base for the Republican Party. Of course this has been pointed out to you numerous times. But you just ignore and repeat it. Like many things. A useful lie never dies if it can serve a purpose. 🙂

    Of course your premise that black people don’t know any better and are too ignorant to vote Republican (who obviously have their best interest in heart) is even more racist than you can possibly imagine.

  • Jack

    Bernardo, I read the article and looked at the chart.

    Maybe you should do likewise.

    Nearly 80% of Americans still say that they will not vote for or against someone based primarily on the abortion issue. That’s been my point from the get-go. That’s a huge majority.

    Moreover, the article says that pro-lifers are more intense than pro-choicers. That doesn’t surprise me a bit, because a huge percentage of self-identified pro-choicers really aren’t pro-choice at all, if by pro-choice, we mean supporting abortion at every stage in the pregnancy.

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