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  • Scott Shaver

    Wonder how that UMC divestment of fossil fuel portfolio is going.

  • DougSlug

    Christians need to adopt a broader view of the world. Man is not “destroying God’s creation”. If anything, man may only be making the planet less hospitable to the many species who have evolved to survive in its current state. Climate change has always been happening, and always will as long as this planet exists, whether man is part of it or not. Our presence here represents an infinitesimal slice of earth’s life cycle.

    If or when the current set of species can no longer survive, others will evolve to replace them. The earth will heal, organisms will evolve to feed on all the plastic and other waste we left behind, and the new species will have an entirely different consciousness, ideally without the ridiculous ideas of an invisible man in the sky who makes and controls everything. Don’t worry, the earth will be fine–it’s “been there, done that” countless times before. Man, however, will not be fine ultimately, and there’s no fairy tale in the world that will fix…

  • hseneker

    Climate will do what climate will do. Meanwhile, policy needs to be based on hard facts.

    There are some crucial, verifiable fats – with citations – about human-generated carbon dioxide and its effect on global warming people need to know at


    The discussion is too long to post here but is a quick and easy read. I recommend following the links in the citations; some of them are very educational.

  • “God is revealed to us not only through creation, but even more so through the suffering we feel on account of our love for it.” YES! And the church must acknowledge and help people process the very real grief we experience in the face of climate change and environmental degradation. (Even denial is a grief response.) What a powerful witness!

  • DemocracyMan


    As DougSlug points out above, humans aren’t hurting the planet so much as they are making it less and less habitable for themselves and the other life that has evolved to survive here and now. But that misses the point: Humans, by are actions, are causing suffering to other humans, and that is wrong and unnecessary. We have the technology, and will develop much more, that will enable us to wean ourselves from fossil fuels. And we will! It’s only a question of how long it takes us to realize that this is right and necessary, and how many more lives – future and present – will be damaged by the effects of climate change because we postponed the inevitable.

    Humankind will look back on the 20th Century as defined by our rapid development due to the availability of cheap energy, and on the first decades of the 21st Century as defined by our callous disregard for the well-being of future generations in favor of our own short-term economic gain (or more accurately…

  • DemocracyMan

    …the short-term economic gain of a small sliver of humanity). We knew! And yet we had to be dragged, kicking and screaming, by people like this author and others like her who recognized the grave injustice and unnecessary suffering caused by our burning of fossil fuels. There is absolutely no doubt about our role in causing global warming – none – the scientific consensus is overwhelming (save a few misguided souls who are being bribed by the fossil fuel industry.)

    And again, we have the technology (it will only improve) and frankly the economic necessity to build an alternative energy economy in the country, before China and etc. corner the market and we lose out on millions of jobs. It’s a no brainer in both moral and economic terms. Cheers, Rosina, for helping others see the moral necessity of climate action!

  • DemocracyMan

    DougSlug, see my comment below; you are right, but you miss the point. Yes the planet itself will be fine. But it is actual human suffering that we are trying to avoid, and that is a moral imperative for all of us, Christian or not.


    P.S. You seem to criticize the author’s view of God (“invisible man in the sky…”) but take another, look: she explicitly says that’s not the vision of God she believes in and is motivated by. Seems like a pretty progressive, enlightened (excuse the pun) vision of Christianity and of action based on faith.

  • Barbara Litt

    LOVED reading this! You are so right on! Nature is God, and humans are messing with the divine spirit! Love to hear you preach some day!

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  • Tom

    My ancestors were Norse. They established settlements in Greenland when it was a much warmer climate there and in Europe. Mankind at that time had no significant amount of industrial activity which would have caused this.Now Greenland is freezing cold and you can’t live there like my ancestors did. Maybe the Earth’s normal climate change was a factor in my people becoming Christians!

  • DougSlug

    DemoMan, I agree with almost every point you made. The one I disagree with is “There is absolutely no doubt about our role in causing global warming…”. Before you assume I am a classic “doubter”, please consider that I own not one, but two Prius, and I am an engineer quite interested (and knowledgeable) in alternate energy technologies.

    The reason I disagree with this point stems from my engineering background. I don’t believe it is possible to draw that conclusion based on such an infinitesimally small set of data. We have only been monitoring global temperature for around 165 years or so. When one looks at ice core data, it can be easily seen that relatively small fluctuations in temperature similar to what we have measured in that time show up as noise and cyclical behavior spanning thousands (in some cases, many thousands) of years.

    I was merely trying to make the point in my earlier post that we may not have as much control as some would like us to believe.