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World Vision reverses course on same-sex marriage policy

Teams from the Christian relief agency World Vision distribute food aid to villages in Myanmar by boat because many roads were washed away by Cyclone Nargis, which claimed more than 140,000 lives when it roared ashore on May 1, 2008. Religion News Service photo courtesy of Wah Eh Htoo/World Vision
Teams from the Christian relief agency World Vision distribute food aid to villages in Myanmar by boat because many roads were washed away by Cyclone Nargis, which claimed more than 140,000 lives when it roared ashore on May 1, 2008. Religion News Service photo courtesy of Wah Eh Htoo/World Vision

Teams from the Christian relief agency World Vision distributed food aid to villages in Myanmar by boat because many roads were washed away by Cyclone Nargis, which claimed more than 140,000 lives when it roared ashore on May 1, 2008. Religion News Service photo courtesy of Wah Eh Htoo/World Vision

(RNS) After announcing earlier this week that it would no longer define marriage as between a man and a woman in its employee conduct manual, Christian relief organization World Vision reversed course Wednesday (March 26) and said it would no longer recognize the same-sex marriages of its employees.

Heavy criticism from evangelicals may have prompted the reversal. Soon after the earlier groundbreaking decision, the Assemblies of God urged members to consider dropping their support.

The loss of child sponsorships may have also been at play.

Ryan Reed tweeted on Wednesday: “My wife works for WV. In today’s staff meeting Stearns announced that so far 2,000 kids dropped.”

World Vision’s child sponsorships are $35 a month, which means the organization could have lost at least $840,000 in annual revenue over the long term.

About $567 million of World Vision’s $1 billion budget comes from private contributions, according to the 2012 annual report, Christianity Today reported.

“We’ve listened,” World Vision president Rich Stearns told reporters. “We believe we made a mistake. We’re asking them to forgive and understand our poor judgment in the original decision.”

Since its founding, World Vision has always been a Christian organization, said Stearns. “The decision we’ve made is based on biblical principles.”

Supporters made it clear that same-sex marriage was not consistent with  the organization’s views of the Bible.

“World Vision has been committed to the authority of the Bible … and we believe what Scripture says about marriage,” he said.

He noted how divisive the change has become in the past few days.

“What we found was we created more division instead of more unity, and that was not the intent of the board or myself.”

The board voted overwhelmingly for the initial decision and voted overwhelmingly to reverse itself, Stearns said.

“We hadn’t vetted this issue with people who could’ve given us really valuable input at the beginning. In retrospect, I can see why this was so controversial for many of our supporters and partners around the country. If I could have a do-over, it would’ve been that I would’ve done more consultation with Christian leaders.”

When explaining the earlier policy, Stearns said World Vision was deferring to churches because its employees represent more than 50 denominations, including those who conduct same-sex marriages.

When asked whether parachurch organizations such as World Vision should defer to churches on theological issues, Stearns said that the organization’s policy on marriage could not defer to churches that do conduct same-sex marriages.

“I think what we are affirming is there are certain beliefs that are so core to our Trinitarian stance, we cannot defer to frankly a small minority of churches that have taken a different position,” Stearns said.

The following is the letter the organization sent on Wednesday:

Dear Friends,

Today, the World Vision U.S. board publicly reversed its recent decision to change our national employment conduct policy. The board acknowledged they made a mistake and chose to revert to our longstanding conduct policy requiring sexual abstinence for all single employees and faithfulness within the Biblical covenant of marriage between a man and a woman.

We are writing to you our trusted partners and Christian leaders who have come to us in the spirit of Matthew 18 to express your concern in love and conviction. You share our desire to come together in the Body of Christ around our mission to serve the poorest of the poor. We have listened to you and want to say thank you and to humbly ask for your forgiveness.

In our board’s effort to unite around the church’s shared mission to serve the poor in the name of Christ, we failed to be consistent with World Vision U.S.’s commitment to the traditional understanding of Biblical marriage and our own Statement of Faith, which says, “We believe the Bible to be the inspired, the only infallible, authoritative Word of God.” And we also failed to seek enough counsel from our own Christian partners. As a result, we made a change to our conduct policy that was not consistent with our Statement of Faith and our commitment to the sanctity of marriage.

We are brokenhearted over the pain and confusion we have caused many of our friends, who saw this decision as a reversal of our strong commitment to Biblical authority. We ask that you understand that this was never the board’s intent. We are asking for your continued support. We commit to you that we will continue to listen to the wise counsel of Christian brothers and sisters, and we will reach out to key partners in the weeks ahead.

While World Vision U.S. stands firmly on the biblical view of marriage, we strongly affirm that all people, regardless of their sexual orientation, are created by God and are to be loved and treated with dignity and respect.

Please know that World Vision continues to serve all people in our ministry around the world. We pray that you will continue to join with us in our mission to be “an international partnership of Christians whose mission is to follow our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in working with the poor and oppressed to promote human transformation, seek justice, and bear witness to the good news of the Kingdom of God.”

Sincerely in Christ,
Richard Stearns, President                     
Jim Beré, Chairman of the World Vision U.S. Board

Reactions came as swiftly as before, including tweets for and against.


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  • It is very sad that World Vision caved in to political pressure from the Religious ultra Right wing and reversed its decision. The hypocrisy of the following paragraph is astounding:

    “While World Vision U.S. stands firmly on the biblical view of marriage, we strongly affirm that all people, regardless of their sexual orientation, are created by God and are to be loved and treated with dignity and respect.”

    Yeah…”loved and treated with dignity and respect”…but you still can’t work here. That’s like a segregated business in the 1950s South saying that African Americans deserve to be loved and treated with dignity and respect.

    The sad devotion to the selective reading of scripture without any attention to the love of Christ is depressing. I guess kneeling before Tony Perkins, James Dobson, et al., was less scary than losing donors.

  • I am not angry. I am disappointed. World Vision’s decision to reverse their policy revision is only in light of the financial impact of their convictions. They say they failed to seek the counsel of their Christian partners. What about the counsel they should have sought from the God of their Christian partners? I seriously doubt that anyone seeking God’s will first would have come to this decision.

    I agree that all people are created by God and deserve to know love: however, there is nothing dignified in peddling lies for truth, or letting your fear of offending someone lead them away from God’s will. As people of God we will stand on His truth or we will fall. World Vision has fallen. It will take more than a letter to undo the harm and confusion they have caused.

    The real losers are the children they promised to support through their donors. They have done nothing wrong, but will inevitably suffer the consequences of another’s sin. It is a sad day. Christianity takes yet another blow.

  • Selective reading of the bible?? How about calling it what it is? An honest and true reading of the Gospel! As a ministry of Jesus Christ, one simply has to follow Jesus Christ to be part of that ministry. Do you expect a minister to be able to continue preaching the Gospel to a congregation while he openly rejects Christs teaching on fornication or adultery? So, why should anyone expect those who openly violate Christianity’s prohibition of homosexuality? The only answer possible answer is that you simply reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ .

  • I think it’s truly sad so many choose to drop sponsored kids over this, in what one or two days? Seems like a knee jerk reaction.

  • “. . . many of our friends, who saw this decision as a reversal of our strong commitment to Biblical authority.”

    Wait a minute. World Vision’s “friends” rightly saw WV’s world-appeasing move as apostasy, but World Vison didn’t? That explanation fairly beggars belief. How else could it possibly be seen by anyone who recognizes the authority of the Bible?

    Russell Moore stated a biblical orthodoxy that World Vision seems to have belatedly acknowledged only after the threat of an $840,000 income loss:

    “At stake is the gospel of Jesus Christ. If sexual activity outside of a biblical definition of marriage is morally neutral, then, yes, we should avoid making an issue of it. If, though, what the Bible clearly teaches and what the church has held for 2000 years is true, then refusing to call for repentance is unspeakably cruel and, in fact, devilish.

    “The devil works in two ways: by deception, “You shall not surely die” (Gen. 3:4); and by accusation, “the accuser of the brethren” (Rev 12:10). For some people, the devil wishes to assure that there’s no need for repentance, for others that there’s no hope for mercy. Some people are deceived into thinking they are too good for the gospel while others are accused into thinking they’re too bad for the gospel.

    “The gospel of Jesus Christ tears down both strategies. The gospel clearly calls us to repentance, even when that repentance is hated by the outside world. And the gospel clearly calls us to mercy by faith in the blood of Christ, even when we can’t believe that we’d ever be received.

    “We empower darkness when we refuse to warn of judgment. We empower the darkness when we refuse to offer forgiveness through the blood of the cross.”

  • “Religious ultra Right Wing” is a favorite media, liberal propagandist use of language. George Orwell, the late British writer of “1984” would see this tactic for what it is.
    All around the world –except for in the dying secular West-a stand taken promoting gay “marriage” would accurately be considered ” Radical ultra Left Wing.”
    The middle of the road is historically male marrying female, but as Orwell saw, he who controls the vocabulary controls the debate. This is why gay activists (with media complicity) refuse to use accurate words in the debate.

  • Let’s see if I’ve got this straight. So the good Christians will take the food out of the mouths of countless children because of the employment policies of World Vision. Now that’s a linkage that certainly tells us what they really care about. Talk about Christian witness…

  • I was reminded from this whole mess that God hates fags and our families more than Gods hates starving and dying children. Thanks for reminding me, Evangelicals!

  • “Christian” churches and hetero dominated governments have had a strangle hold on defining the terms used to describe sexual conduct for two thousand years.

    Now they are screaming to high heaven that gay people be treated like human beings.

    You deserve far worse than the description “Religious ultra right wing”.

  • Yes, in this case the lie is that gay people are sinning when they love each other and form the bond of marriage.

    This is a heinous use of scripture and you will certainly answer for it.

  • With all respect, what is your deep theological thinking?? And please try to refrain from all the revisionist readings of the Old and New Testament, if you can.

  • No one is screaming about gay people being treated with love and respect. Unfortunately, gay activists are screaming because real Christians insist that God intended for marriage to be a man and woman only. Christ made this claim with ALL love and respect. Christians simply follow Christ in this regard and all His commandments.

  • Really, a lie that homosexuality is sin? Christ would have to disagree with you. Sorry, the only thing heinous here is the rejection of the Gospel to suit ones own needs. There is NO true reading of the bible AND Church Tradition that would even suggest that homosexual sex is not a sin. All people should love one another, even those with same sex attraction. But since when did such love require sex? It doesnt! Some love, such as that between friends, between a parent and child, between a brother and sister should in fact NOT involve sex. What makes sex between same sex friendship any different? Nothing. All are equally wrong in the eyes of God. The only difference is that the activists for child/adult sex or sibling sex have not yet gained strength.

  • @mickey,

    “Christ’s teachings” are mostly an abomination to humanity. Most people don’t bother to actually look at what they are!

    In an effort to “do as Jesus did” millions have been killed.
    Love your enemies? Yes. But never love the Lord’s enemies:

    Jesus didn’t forgive his enemies – he sent them to Hell! (Mark 16:16)
    Jesus cursed his enemies – “Thou Fools!”, “swine!”(Matt. 23:17)
    Jesus stole things – “untie them” “and bring them to me” (Matt. 21:2-3)
    Jesus destroyed his enemies – “execute them in front of me”(Luke 19:27)
    He didn’t love most of his neighbors, – They are ‘Dogs’!(Matthew 15:26)
    Jesus told people to judge others – “Remove your blessings”!(Matt 10:14)
    He was bigoted – “They are swine” (Matthew 7:6)
    Jesus violently whipped people – attack on the temple (John 2:5)
    He didn’t want peace – “I do not bring peace.”(Matt 10:34)
    Jesus lied to people – “He went in secret” (John 7:8-13)
    Jesus prepared for war – “if you have money, buy a sword” (Luke 22:36-37)

    Of course this nonsense must be thoroughly rejected.
    Any decent person must reject most of the teachings of Jesus.

  • No sir. You and the late Pastor Phelps are the only one saying God hates gays. No one has said they will stop helping the causes they have been supporting through WV. These are only straw man arguments you have constructed that have basis in reality.

  • @Deacon,

    World Vision is subject to Jesus, indeed.
    And “Christ like” is indeed the most vicious thing to be.

    “bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King, and execute them in front of me.” – JESUS (luke 19:27)

    I wonder how many people really understand the depravity of this Parable of the 12 Minas and the misery it has caused humanity.

    Want to do some good? Leave religion and join one of the secular groups saving the world: Oxfam, Doctors without Borders or the Red Cross. These are not religious organizations and they won’t waste time and money on superstitions and voodoo.

  • If you hear someone say “Christ – like” run away as fast as you can!
    It is fascism itself.

    “He who has money, go and buy a sword.” – Jesus (Luke 22: 36-37)

  • The Atheist/non-Religious charities like “Doctors Without Borders” would never deny service to the needy.
    They have 22,000 people volunteering around the world every day.

  • Not true. At least 2000 child sponsorships were lost by Christian sponsors who were more concerned about whether or not World Vision employed any married gay people than they were concerned about whether or not starving & dying children had sponsors. Did I not read the top of this article correctly? Did I not read the numerous comments in the prior thread from WV sponsors who’d dropped their sponsorships over the gay family issue? What am I missing, “Mickey30981”?

  • “And please try to refrain from all the revisionist readings of the Old and New Testament, if you can.”

    You first. Or do you believe that we should still have slavery?

  • Not that facts matter in the world you inhabit, but, um, yeah plenty of “Christians” have said they will stop funding WV and the children it helps.

  • Latest Gay Propaganda Lie:: That Christians who do not want to donate money through organizations which condone immoral activity will not find some other organization(s) to donate to which follow Biblical and Traditional moral values. It is just more hate speech that gays and their allies have become masters of.

  • That’s an incredibly strange and out-of-context quote — part of a larger story, NOT a command from Christ. Please do not cherry pick verses so unwisely, or it’s no better than Christians who choose a single verse and argue it’s indisputably “black and white.”

  • “Real Christians”? Can you not appreciate how that sounds? The bible is such a mixture of voices and opinions of their interpretation of what someone told someone Jesus said and did. The Old Testament is an ancient peoples’ mythology to explain things they did not understand. The bible is so convoluted, even people who REALLY believe and call themselves Christians cannot agree on what is the right interpretation.
    How about just treating people the way you would like to be treated? Most cultures came up with this simple rule way before the Bible.

  • Wrong. No one said that. We are saying that right wing fundamentalists make judging other people their priority over the continued care of a needy child. What is worse, their self righteous judgement is based on claims that they KNOW what god or Jesus wants them to do about World Vision. If it weren’t so sad, it would be funny.

  • Grateful to see a humble admission of wrong doing! Thank you for correcting this mistake so quickly and thoroughly.

  • Speaking of selective reading. What is your position on re-married heterosexual people? Christ stated that any man who married a divorced woman is an adulterer, and adulterers are included with homosexuals on the list of those who are barred from heaven.
    I don’t seem to see many fundamentalists consigning the re-married to Hell.

  • George Orwell, the late British writer of “1984″ was a socialist. A LIBERAL socialist.

    Still going to stand by his authority and wisdom?

  • @Julie,

    In this matter of World Vision….Are Gays not being treated as the enemy of Jesus here?
    Is Gay marriage NOT being treated as an ‘abomination’ to Christ Himself?

    I am pointing out what Jesus has said about what is proper punishment for particular enemies. I will remind you that those are the closing words of the Parable of the 12 Minas – the “lesson,” if you will of Luke 19.

    Whoever claimed that Gay marriage is a ‘sin’ against God is the one who needs to know Jesus’ point of view regarding enemies of the Lord.

    In other words. Hate the sin. And hate the sinner, too – if we are talking about enemies of the Lord.

    “Forgive YOUR enemies” – Jesus
    “but Kill the enemies of the Lord” – Jesus (Luke 19:27)

    This is why I dispose of the entire Bible.
    It is snake oil.

    Let everyone be who they are
    without this ancient mind-pollution.

  • If you look at the Final Judgement, it’s actually the people who fail to feed the poor who have to answer for what they did. Not the people who were mistaken on which laws apply when.

  • “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

    How do you reconcile that with the sword thing?

  • I know – we could take all the money we spend through our tax dollars on killing unborn children here in the USA, and put that toward helping the starving children…..whaddya say?!

  • Saying people should not fall in love and be happy just because they are the same sex is completely uncivil. Banning such a thing is therefore uncivilized.
    And don’t we all know that already?
    But then… there will be no room for free people if all the authority of civilization is handed upward to a poof of air called a ‘God’ and that poof requires interpreters who dispense that authority on that gods behalf.
    Which alway’s seems to go exactly the way….they….wished it would 😉

  • I too thought immediately that the reversal of WV seems to be for no other reason than that they will lose so much money….how could they really expect us to believe they made a “mistake”…..I believe they wish they could have held publicly their pronouncement and probably secretly still do believe in their pronouncement…just back-stepped when they realized it would put them out of business…..well at least they aren’t going to support gay “marriage”…which I put in quotes because there is no such thing…..God created marriage… we all know what he created.

  • As far as the money mean hearted Christians withheld due to this fiasco….how about if we all take the money we spend in the USA on killing unborn babies in abortion clinics….and give it to the starving needy children….?

  • Yes, it’s a heinous use of 1 Cor. 6:9-11. Umm, exactly what does that text say? Let’s see now.

    “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers,

    “nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,

    “nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.”

    Yes yes, very heinous, very heinous. ALL homosexual behavior, ALL homosexual “marriages”, are clearly SIN just like the other sins. That is the Bible’s position; it never states otherwise.

  • “What we found was we created more division instead of more unity, and that was not the intent of the board or myself.”

    Your job is to represent and be faithful to the Word of God…not to “create unity”.

  • More to the point, what about non-Christians in male-female marriages? Why no one voicing such loud dissent to Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, Hindu, etc. men and women marrying? After all, they are living in sin, too.

  • What seems more important than debating is that the sponsored children do not lose in this situation.

    Instead of making bold accusations, using scripture verses out of context, and throwing stones from glass houses – maybe we should all take a deep breath and think before we speak (or type).
    Regardless of whether people are upset that World Vision changed their employment policies in the first place or because WV reversed the decision two days later – one decision should not rule out the positive benefits this organization and its partners have contributed.
    While it’s easy to point fingers, judge, and publicly claim any loss of respect for WV – difficult situations like this call for forgiveness, compassion and understanding. For both sides. If we all take this as an opportunity to argue our own views but don’t gain understanding or show graciousness towards others, does anyone benefit?

  • They are saying they won’t help through WV. Those Christians who removed their money would put it through a charity whom they agreed with. They didn’t actually plan to stop caring for the poor.

  • In which gospel does Jesus condemn homosexuality? He repeatedly condemns those who presume to judge others, but I don’t remember him saying a single word about the gays. Do correct me if I’m wrong.

  • It seems evident that some people do not read all the posts in a thread. At least two same sex advocates in the above thread argued that children would suffer from the mean hearted Christians; Stephani’s comment is therefore without basis. Parenthetically: Yes children will suffer, but the numbers will not necessarily increase. Others in this thread declared that they would simply redirect their giving. As a long time WV contributor, I too informed them this was my plan, but in light of their reconsideration I am prepared to continue my support. It’s not about homophobia, it’s about the clear, plain, straightforward teaching of scripture. While Jesus did not specifically address homosexuality in the Gospels, His closest disciples did in the epistles (Spiritually this includes Paul)..

  • Yes, all this talk about the “mean Christians” are now trading starving children for Biblical truth is rather hypocritical coming from the Left who believe in the “choice” to kill children when their birth is inconvenient. I love your suggestion to take the billions that is used every year in the US to abort children and begin using it to begin taking care of them here and in other countries. Support you local crisis pregnancy center and love women, babies and their daddies. I use to work for World Vision and was very concerned with them forgetting their founder Bob Pierce and their Creator. I’m glad their sponsors helped them to find their way back to Biblical truth and will continue to do so. Real love is not only telling people what they want to hear. It’s loving them enough to tell them the truth including about our sinful natures which is why Jesus came –to save sinners, all of us including those on the Left and The Right. Happy Easter!! Keep the tweets coming Bev!

  • First, Jesus commanded us to “judge righteous judgment.” John Hagenbuch explains:

    “Although we must be cautious in our judgments concerning ourselves and others, we cannot ignore our Lord’s commands that instruct us to make judgments. In John 7:24, Jesus said ‘Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment’. Here we are clearly commanded to judge with righteous judgment.” (October 2003, The Expository Times)

    Second, Jesus makes a reference to Sodom in the gospel of Matthew. He uses what happened to THEM because of their homosexual sin, as a benchmark with which to warn the cities of Galilee that THEIR future judgment will be worse if they reject Him and his salvation.

    So anybody who would try to argue that Jesus was neutral or approving concerning the sins of homosexual behavior and homosexual marriage, is proven wrong. Jesus approved of God’s punishment on the Sodomites.

    “And you, Capernaum, who are exalted to heaven, will be brought down to Hades; for if the mighty works which were done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say to you that it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment than for you.” (Matt. 11:23-24)

  • So, did you post any complaints when World Vision was (and still is) refusing to hire non-Trinitarians to help with the children, and directly citing the Bible to justify refusing to hire them?

    No, you didn’t? That employment situation didn’t matter to you? Then you are as guilty of hypocrisy as the other pro-gay posters around here.

    What Christians have insisted on all along, is that if it’s okay for World Vision to insist on sticking to the Bible when they exclude non-Trinitarians from their employment every day, then they SURELY can stick to the Bible (as they have been doing for years anyway), which is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR on homosexual marriage being a sin.

    Christians held this supposedly Christian organization accountable to Christ and the Gospel, using the only means available to them — donations. Otherwise Christians would be supporting the evil of homosexual marriage as well. You aren’t helping children very much when you spit on Christ.

  • Matt. 15:19, Jesus speaks of sexual immorality as a sin that proceeds from the heart and makes us unclean.

  • Exactly. The charities our church has partnered with, are a couple of reputable indigenous Christian charities within southern Africa. They’re feeding and housing hungry children and mothers, AND they’re sticking to the Bible at the same time. Imagine that!

  • That’s fine, Max. No Christian would want to stop Doctors Without Borders from doing whatever they do.

    But I really doubt that World Vision wants to get a reputation as an “Atheist/Non-Religious” charity. If THEY want to keep their reputation as an evangelical charity who openly follows Jesus Christ (and even openly uses the Bible to determine their hiring practices), then they had better get out and STAY OUT of the Gay Marriage Cult.

    Otherwise they’ll just have to depend on you ATHEISTS to support them! Heh!

  • Very interested! I’m glad to hear this news but like I’ve seen in some of the comments, I hope they didn’t took this decision just for the money!

  • “For God so loved the world that he gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in HIm shall have everlasting life” John 3:16

    True love protects, says God’s word….God’s laws are there not because he doesn’t love us…but the opposite…they are there to protect us from the destructive results of our disobedience to them.

  • The “slavery argument” (the argument that since the bible referred to slavery , homosexuality must be acceptable) is a tired and simply not applicable. It is an argument for a lazy mind. Slavery was never a commandment of the bible; it did not explicitly demand or even condone slavery. American slave traders and supporters in the American South simply twisted the biblical verses to their evil cause. The bible, in fact, required humane treatment of slaves and moreover, the slavery of the bible was not the slavery of the 15th to 19th century. What the bible referred to was the self indentured servitude and was NOT addressing the so called Enlightenment slave trade. Homosexuality on the the other hand was clearly understood to be prohibited by the bible. Christ came to fulfill the Law, but the Church clearly did NOT adopt all the Old Testament laws such as dietary laws or the commandment to stone adulterers. Homosexuality was prohibited by the Old Testament and the New Testament from the time of Christ for 2000 years. Only those who wish to rewrite Christianity and history try to argue otherwise. This does NOT justify hatred or disrespect in ANY way. Christianity declares all of us to be in the image of God. However, recognizing sin is NOT hate! Christianity does NOT hate the adulterer or the murdered. Christ does hate the sin, nevertheless. And murder and adultery is still a sin, and so is homosexuality.

  • So World Vision has decided its employee code of conduct needs to be thoroughly grounded in the Bible. Well, the news isn’t all bad: Now every day will be pay day (Leviticus 19:13) and no work will be done from sundown on Friday to sundown on Saturday…on pain of death (Exodus 35:2). I just feel sorry for workers in cold climates who can’t heat their homes during that time (Exodus 35:3). And it seems like a waste of time and resources if work has to be interrupted for laundry and a bath every time anyone touches a chair that a female employee sat on during her period (Leviticus 15:19-23).

  • Only someone ignorant of the truth of Christianity interprets these passages as you try to portray them. You have no idea what these passages really say. Christ spoke in parables, hyperbole and metaphor. Apparently you think He said these phrases literally and that Christians really consider them literal. One however , he did mean literally. Christ is Lord, and does judge for heaven or hell! But we make the decision where we want to be; its entirely our choice.

    As far as the nonsense of Christianity causing millions of deaths, you simply make a bold lie. There is NO evidence of millions of people dying in the name of Christianity! I assume you include the Inquisition or Crusades and probably think millions were killed then. That is simply a lie. Read some real history. Actual modern historians realize that most likely the most people executed during the entire Inquisition period, including Spanish Inquisition, was in the tens of thousands, not millions! Still a horrible fact. But compared to the atrocities of the atheistic regimes during the 20th century, that was nothing relative to the 10s of millions of people killed by Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao alone! These few evil dictators , in the name of atheistic materialism, undeniably with documentation most certainly did kill 10s of millions of their own citizens. NOTHING has any comparison despite your often repeated lie about Christianity.

    Christianity has been the most civilizing force in the Western world! I invite you to live in Pre Christian Rome! Barbarian Europe of the Dark Ages, Or in 20th Century Russia, China, North Korea! Or even 21st Century Middle East!

    This lie that Christianity has been a destructive force for the world is simply the spawn of the twisted thinking of the likes of Richard Dawkins whose lack of understanding about Christianity is surpassed only by his ignorance of history and is only adopted by those who dont care to think for themselves.

  • I am not a fundamentalist! Divorced and remarried are adulterers. And unfortunately , the bible says adulterers are going to hell. I am not the one doing selective reading of the bible.

  • Christ was a Jew. Jewish law condemned homosexuality. Christ was a devout Jew, he therefore supported this teaching on homosexuality. He also taught His Apostles. His Apostles taught that homosexuality was a sin, therefore He taught it in the New Testament. The notion that Christ never explicitly said anything on homosexuality means NOTHING! The bible says we are to hold on the teachings of the Apostles, whether written or spoken. Christ teachings are found in the bible and are taught by His Apostles. One does NOT have to find ONLY his explicit words in the bible to know what Christ taught!

  • Actually I do treat people the way they wish to be treated, even my gay family and friends. But, some of us actually believe there is a correct way to interpret the bible and the truth of Christ whether or not other people cannot agree on what Christianity teaches. That is not disrespect . It is simply belief in an absolute truth. We expect absolute truth in math, physics, biology etc. We should expect truth in the matters of God as well.

  • Nobody is hating, Jon. We simply want to live, to the best of our ability, according to the will of God. If we were hating, we would be inclined to keep our mouths shut and let fellow human beings live whatever harmful lifestyle they choose. Instead, we stand for a healthier lifestyle, promising a longer and happier life. Hard to understand why you think that’s wrong.

  • Romans 1: 18-32 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    1 Corinthians 6:9-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

    10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

    11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

    Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

    1 Timothy 1: 8-10 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

    9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

    10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

  • Well, well. Based on a strict reading of scripture, WV probably should prevent employees who are menstruating from circulating out there and helping others also . . . By the way, if we are discussing points actually made in the article above, it’s only reported that 2000 children had been dropped. Nothing is said about those former sponsors promising to re-direct their money to other charities.

  • Bullcrap. People were showing their willingness to deny money they used to send to impoverished children because World Vision decided to treat its gay employees humanely. It was petty, callous and yes hateful.

    If that is an example of Christian love, keep it. Its of no value to me.

  • They are kind of dependent on the fundamentalist wackadoodles for a lot of their funding. The fact that they avoid using their role as a charity to proselytize puts WV on thin ice with that group to begin with. But God forbid they treat some of their employees with a modicum of respect, then all the alarms go off with them.

    Nothing says Christian love like denying poor starving children resources in favor of an open display of prejudice. 🙂

  • What your missing sir, is that they never said they wont help these people they are helping through other charitable organizations! People who are giving monthly to help children who they dont even know, are not going to simply stop caring about them! Read throughout this thread. Every one of the people who say they will no longer give to WV have said they will contribute elsewhere.

  • I feel sorry for you and your version of Christianity, that you can find reasons for ceasing support to poor impoverished children. So many millstones, so many children to drown.

    There is a real malice in your responses which seems to require scriptural excuses for your conscience.

    “The only difference is that the activists for child/adult sex or sibling sex have not yet gained strength.”

    Hey Mickey, show me anywhere where gay marriage is legal where this has happened. You can’t. Oh well. Just more malicious nonsense on your part.

  • You dont think Christians help support Doctors without Borders? Just because they dont have a Christian name, doesnt mean they are an atheistic group. I can guarantee you that many of these doctors who provide service , and those who support the organization are Christians!

  • Doc, you never liked or supported WV anyway. You previously stated you had doctrinal issues with them.

    All you did is give people an excuse not to continue support. To incite people to deny money to keep starving children alive. How very Christian of you.

  • There we have it. That Christian fundamentalist moral derangement. Support life of the unborn when it is gestating and show absolute callousness to them after birth.

    Christians just don’t like born people, be they pregnant women or live children.

    You have to bear in mind, secularists and atheists weren’t contributing to this charity in any real numbers. So their words and acts didn’t affect WV. But the withdrawal of support by people like yourself did real harm to them. Of course its going to draw criticism. You conservative Christians are so thin skinned.

  • So did you write that letter to the child you were going to withdraw support from, explaining why?
    Did you think he or she was going to understand why you did it?
    Do you think they would care?

  • Julie–even those who disagree with his politics and other points he made in books like “1984′ agree that many of Orwell’s observations on the way some people twist and misuse the English language are considered as “spot on.”:
    Another comment from “1984” that is very relevant to modern media practice talks of a “memory hole.” That is where the media tosses and buries stories and info that might embarrass politicians or issues they favor.

  • “They are saying they won’t help through WV. Those Christians who removed their money would put it through a charity whom they agreed with. They didn’t actually plan to stop caring for the poor.”

    But they essentially told the children WV supported, to drop dead. Those Christians were going to find someone else to give money to. I bet those children would have understood the reasons for the loss of money.

  • I agree with you to an extent. However, your ideology has abandoned so many people. Your lifestyle leaves no room for people of different races, cultures, or backgrounds. American Christianity has substituted WASP priorities over the Gospel.

  • The biggest problem for the organization was indeed pressure from powerful groups. The organization was being threatened of being thrown out of coalitions IT helped FOUND. There wasn’t the support needed to offset the backlash.

  • Do you know what promotes a longer, healthier life? A child sponsorship through World Vision.

    I love how people who don’t know me tell me how unhealthy my life and my marriage of nearly 20 years is. Worry about your own family, J.P. Travis. I’ll worry about my own husband and kids.

  • Nope, I said nothing about me having doctrinal issues with WV, and ALSO, I pointed out that WV was a “genuine Christian success story for years.”

    What I repeatedly pointed out (and what you and the other gay marriagers repeatedly kept ducking), is that WV also has a long-standing policy of using the Bible to justify NOT hiring anybody (not even a professing Christian), who does not believe in the biblical doctrine of the Trinity.

    So I continually ask, why do you get upset at us Christians who insist that WV use that very same Bible-based refusal-to-hire policy, to stand up for the Bible’s clear and absolute prohibition against gay marriage? Especially when WV has been openly doing exactly that for YEARS anyway, prior to last Monday?

  • If you want me to, I’LL write that letter to that child.

    (Or at least I will if World Vision ever goes turncoat on Christians again, and re-joins that demonic Gay Marriage Cult.)

    I’ll tell that child, in age-appropriate language, exactly what WV has done against God, exactly how they have betrayed Christ, the Gospel, and the Bible.

    I’ll also apologize to the child profusely, beg forgiveness in every other sentence. But I’ll also tell that child that when he or she grows up, IF he or she ever decides to become a Christian at all, they CANNOT start spitting in Jesus Christ’s face to make people happy, even if gay marriagers put pressure on them to do so.

    There you go! How’s that for a rough draft, Larry?

  • I would not expect anything different from you. 🙂

    Your draft is that great mix of Christian compassion, desire to help those less fortunate and general love of mankind which comes through on the screen. After all what is the point of helping starving children if you can’t browbeat others with your religious beliefs.

    “But I’ll also tell that child that when he or she grows up,”

    Too bad the child probably won’t live long enough to grow up after he/she lost that funding. Oh well. You meant well, as you let the child die for your beliefs. They didn’t deserve to live anyway if they owed their lives to people who would treat gay employees with compassion. /s

  • So its Traditional Christian moral values to let children die because you object to treating others with humanity.

    Good to know that.

  • Doc, its too soon for revisionism. You were complaining that WV did not adopt Trinitarian views before. That they diverted from what you considered real Christianity. Therefore, you would never have supported them.

    All my comments had nothing to do with WV’s policies. It had to do with the callous and spiteful responses to them. The idea that one should withdraw support of starving children over clearly petty sectarian bullcrap.

    Then again, I never supported WV. I am not withdrawing money from them over their policies. I am pointing out how much that Christian love and compassion is a fiction.

    “why do you get upset at us Christians who insist that WV use that very same Bible-based refusal-to-hire policy, to stand up for the Bible’s clear and absolute prohibition against gay marriage? ”

    You mean why do I oppose discrimination and support civil liberties? It has nothing to do with religion. It has to do with an orderly and democratic society unbounded by dangerous irrational bigotry. Had I known about their religious discriminatory hiring, I would have complained about that as well. But that is not the subject here.

  • @ Bev. Who says there isn’t enough money to go around to do both?

    Its not like you care about them after they’re born.

  • Amen. Atheists have been borrowing moral capital from Judeo-Christianity for so long they don’t even realize they are doing it. They’d be wetting their pants if they could go back and check out the morality of the pre-christian world where “do unto others” only extended as far as the edge of your little tribal group, and everyone else was fair game.

  • Again with the dishonest “Judeo-Christian” nonsense term, Shawnie?

    You can’t even define what you mean by that, without it becoming some circular, self-referential garbage. Typical Fundamentalist. Taking credit for work people like yourself had nothing to do with.

    “check out the morality of the pre-christian world where “do unto others” only extended as far as the edge of your little tribal group”

    I see that from you and other self-professed Christians on a regular basis. What else is new?

  • Hey Larry, don’t look now but the term “Judeo Christian” may be found in your favorite source, the ultimate fount of truth and knowledge for the uninformed and easily impressed — Wikipedia. Perhaps you’d prefer to make a complaint there instead of sniping at me? A little introduction to the history of human rights would be beneficial as well.

  • It strongly looks like you and the other gay marriagers want to use hungry children as outright hostages for your gay marriage cult. You are choosing to exploit those kids in your obsession for Christian acceptance of legalized Sodom marriage.

    Here’s how you’re doing the hostage business: You insist that Bible-believing Christians must keep on financially subsidizing a Christian organization’s evil decision to betray the Gospel and join the Gay Marriage Cult.

    If the Bible-believing Christians refuse to blindly continue pour in money to help the turncoat organization recognize and validate gay marriage, Larry and the other extremists retaliate by blindly labeling those same Christians as “uncaring” towards children.

    Even when it’s pointed out that we’re already partnering with other Christian charities including indigenous charities, charities who stick with Christ and the Bible, (and also point out that WV has spent years opposing same-sex marriage hiring anyway without any complaints from you), you choose to do this unethical tactic.

    But it IS unethical (even for an atheist), and guess what? It just didn’t work.

    So, that’s how you atheists and gay marriagers attempt to hold children hostrage.

  • All sinners must be stoned to death to satisfy God’s lust for goodness.

    This must include the entire board of World Vision for stepping off the Path Of Righteousness and into the arms of The Evil One.

    Shawnie5 is clearly a deep theological thinker who must be commended for his clearsighted view of the world.

    He understands that the Bible has to be re-interpreted at every turn, to keep up to date with the latest changes in society and that means, of course, that it is not the word of God at all but just a handbook to be used, written by humans to control humans, more specifically, by men to control men and women, women in particular.

    This is no different to the invention of the phrase ‘Judeo-Christian’, which has only recently come into being and is used as a tool of oppression against those who question contemporary maniacal Christians.

    We Catholics know it was the Jews who killed Jesus and we never forget or forgive, so reject this Judeo-Christian compact except to the extent that if it was not for the Jews, the Jesus story could not be complete.

  • Orwell be guffaw at the phrase ‘Judeo-Christian’ too.

    In fact, we really need to apply a little Orwellian logic to the Christian use of the term ‘love’.

    It is a stangely twisted version, designed not to include but to exclude at every turn.

    I love the claims they make to being ‘real Christians’ too and wonder why they don’t go the whole hog and call themselves ‘real Judeo-Christians’.

  • Idiot! They are a ‘secular’ group not an atheist group.

    The problem with your maniac friends in your Judeo-Christian club is that you cannot comprehend the difference between ‘secular’ and ‘atheist’, anymore than you understand the difference between ‘liberal’ and ‘socialist’, which is why you all get everything so aresabout.

    And that arseabout included confusing ‘love’ with ‘hate’ and ‘truth’ with ‘lies’, particularly when it comes to telling lies for Jesus, or more specifically, telling lies for the Jesus that suits you.

  • No Deacon, they will. They are now sending money to the evangelical Judeo-Christians in Africa to support the witch burning the US evangelists are promoting over there.

    Also all the gay-killing.

    God certainly knows how to move in mysterious ways when it comes to His ever-loving capacity for good.

  • What a sad state of political policy making when “loving someone” has to be banished by a so-called “Christian” organization, because if it doesn’t, it’s so-called “Christian” supporters threaten to let thousands and thousands of children go unsponsored and starve to death. If that’s Christian, I want NO part of it!!! I’ve studied the Bible, and it’s about love and support, regardless of circumstance. THAT’S the overriding main message. Who are all these people calling themselves “Christians?” NOT!

  • Well, there are about ten million ways to interpret these passages, so not sure about your point.

  • He doesn’t. Nor does he condemn paedophlia or polygamy. However he does, when asked about divorce in Matthew 19, make a fairly clear statement of the paradigm for human sexuality and marriage, “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.” Now, what should we do with that teaching?

  • Oxfam was started by a senior Anglican clergyman. Red Cross was started by Henry Dunant, a devout Swiss evangelical. Both of these organisations have observant Christians in their management and their volunteer base. To argue otherwise is a secularist fantasy.

  • That’s a false dichotomy Tom. Christians have always served the poor and they always will. However, they may choose to change the agencies they support in order to serve the poor. World Vision could well disappear in a generation. But the activity of pursuing justice and mercy will keep on, don’t worry. It’s what Christians do.

  • Dear Larry,
    You really do your cause a disservice when you don’t read what the person actually said. I never said that I had decided to withdraw my support of WV, what I did say is that we should take all the billions that are spent on aborting children and use it to care for them –meaning both before birth and after around the world. The crisis pregnancy centers that I have supported (Lighthouse Pregnancy Resource Centers, Life Advocates and First Choice) do give help to the new families before and after the babies birth with food, diapers and clothing and in some cases rent. Stating that Christians don’t care about mothers or babies is really untrue and actually absurd. The US has a world wide reputation of its charities, the majority of which are Christian based, giving more money—in the billions –to feed children in poverty, to provide for their education, their medical needs through clinics and surgery, running orphanages etc. You really should read up on American philanthropy and the role of Christians and the Christian church work in such organizations World Vision, the Salvation Army, Convoy of Hope, Operation Blessing, Mercy Ships, Samaritans Purse and many others. They are the first responders when a crisis occurs and the last to leave after everyone else loses interest. As far as WV goes I felt to wait to see if they corrected their course which they did in a mere 24 hours. Having worked for them I do believe that the specific children who lost sponsors would be reassigned to new sponsors and would not be abandoned. Unfortunately WV pool of money would decrease from their base supporters if they continued done the path of trying to please a minority of their supporters who have watered down scripture to try and satisfy the push for same sex marriage. The founder of WV, Bob Pierce’s motto was “May my heart be broken with the things that break the heart of God”. I think that would include unborn children who are aborted –55 million in the US– 10 million of which were black and minorities which is 4 times the amount lost in the Atlantic slave trade. I also think it would include the 27 million people trapped in sex trafficking today throughout the world which is being fueled by the pornography industry which is very big business here and abroad. And finally I think that it includes Athiests who don’t yet know their Creator or people trapped in sexual addictions which are literally killing them (Aids, STDs , etc.). Finally we don’t hate you so please do not put words in our mouths or call us names. I wasn’t happy with WV original decision but I am happy people who disagree seem to be communicating more. Who knows their mid-step could turn out to have been a blessing in disguise. As far as Christians being Thin skinned try reading about the persecuted church and Wormbrands “Tortured for Christ”. Serious Christians take their faith seriously or at least should. Try seeing the movie “God’s Not Dead”, it came out in theatres just recently. You might be presently surprised. Take care and may God continue to bless you Larry with every breathe you take. Try doing that without Him. I bet you can’t. God bless.

  • In this case, the ‘destructive results’ were being aimed at poor kids on the other side of the world, by the protecting ‘true love’ of Real True Christians.

    A swell bunch you guys are. God loves you, but I gotta admit that’s where I fall short of the glory of God.

  • My question is, can Christian organizations not have LGBT workers, even at the lower levels? I am morally and theologically against acts of homosexuality (and other perversions of God’s gift of sex in marriage, which I believe to be a picture of Christ and his Church), but I am not for quarantining myself away from sinners…I mean just over a decade ago that was my own identity! How quickly Evangelicals forget what it was like to be enslaved to our own desires and our own distorted view of what is right! I would also say that we are just as quick to forget our fallenness continues today. Were it not for Christ we would all be condemned. Let’s face it; World Vision and any other Christian organization is not the local church. No one is asking churches to accept gay marriages or condone homosexual acts…but do we really want to deprive homosexuals the right to work in some of our organizations, like World Vision, that expose them to Christ and his people? I just don’t understand why we are not jumping at the chance to build bridges with the LGBT community, that we ostracized and now we are reaping what we sowed. I am not saying we should agree with what they believe about their identity or how they act it out…but how much does a Christian organization have the right to regulate the behavior of its employees after hours? Maybe our Christian organizations can be “third places” where we can attempt to connect with people for whom Christ died? It is just a thought.

  • So you couldn’t come up with a definition either. Obviously. Since you didn’t bother to give one.

    Judeo-Christian as it is used by Fundamentalists means whatever you want to take credit for but had nothing to do with. Like morality, civilization, democracy…

  • Somehow Christian philanthropy always has strings attached. Either they expect religious devotion in exchange for services or do so as part of political fealty to powerful donors. Nothing is ever given without an agenda attached.

    Those people who support those “crisis centers” are the same who vote to slash public assistance to impoverished mothers. Sometimes literally taking food out of the mouths of children. The same people who actively work to deny family planning options others. Somehow the rest of society has to bear the burden of your belief by force and coercion. Those clinics have a nasty habit of giving dogma preference over medical necessity or providing desired services to a community.

    It doesn’t matter how you try to excuse behavior, but denying support to impoverished children because the organization was “watering down the Bible” is callous, immoral and hateful. If you think that is all part of being a Christian, you can have it. Such mendacity, dishonesty and passive aggressive hatefulness is not worth taking seriously as a belief.

    Try learning about atheists and secularism from someone other than a pastor or a film with down on their luck former TV actors. Maybe pick up more than one book to read.

  • I can’t help it if I understand religious freedom more than you do.
    That nobody has to live their lives according to what you think God wants them to do.

    I am “exploiting” these children to show how shallow Christian love and compassion is. You are the best illustration how much of a sham such things really are. Thank you. You make the arguments for me.

    You never gave to WV to begin with. So you did nothing to those children. But those who did, harmed those children. Denied them substantial funds used to survive.

    This is part of Christian love? I guess so. You really make it difficult to see an upside to Christianity here.

  • I’ve explained these things to you before, Larry. But since you’re rather slow on the uptake, I’ll repeat for you. The centerpiece of Judeo-Christianity and its contributions to the world is the view of the individual as specially created in the image of God and of infinite worth to God as evidenced by the Crucifixion, and that this infinite worth is inherent and completely independent of any familial, tribal or national ties. This is why within an astonishingly short time after the Christianization of the Roman empire infanticide had become a crime instead of everyday business, murder for entertainment in the arena was ended, expectations of marital fidelity became a two-way street, compassion became a virtue that trumped abstract justice, and the the civilized world’s first calls for abolition went out. Like it or not, the pre-christian ancients would have found you just as ridiculous as they would (and did) find us, since the view of the individual that you and your ilk profess comes from Christianity even while you repudiate the source.

    Now go back to wiki and try to find some factoid that might support your position in the absence of a basic knowledge of history. And while you’re there, see if you can figure out the difference between originalism and original intent which has you so hopelessly confused.

  • WV has just given the occasion of the enemy to mock and ridicule Christianity, A back-peddling letter was the right thing to do but will still give many unsaved people ammunition to mock and attack it. It is actually to late for WV. Once you’ve messed your pants, no one will ever forget it. Trust is the true essence of keeping a following of supporters. It’s undone and gone and now the children who depended on WV will reap with suffering due to their unwise decisions. We forgive WV, but we will have doubts about your integrity and character from this day forward.

  • I’ll make this short, but not sweet. No more contributions to World Vision. I won’t support organizations condoning human inequality.

  • Precisely. Creating unity around the wrong thing or cause is still wrong. Look at how God responded to the unity in building the Tower of Babel. He sent worldwide division through languages. Whatever division existed within World Vision now pales in light of the division that was unleashed by this change in corporate policy. What is obvious from some of the replies to various posts is that there is a whole host of outsiders, people who don’t even give to WV who are capitalizing on this tragedy. They are not listening to what Christians are saying and are responding in sweeping generalizations and stereotypes about Christians. Judging Christians and their motives while exposing their own intolerance of anyone who disagrees with them. It should be obvious from what has happened that we are not all the same but that doesn’t serve their purposes to exploit this event. On the other hand Jesus himself said that he did not come to bring peace as the world knows it but a sword –to divide the goats from the sheep first from within the church. He also said that the poor will always be with you so apart from the true works of the kingdom of God you will not eradicate poverty or hunger thrugh human efforts. No matter how hard one tries. So as a Christian I would encourage WV to get back to the core Biblical principles that Bob Pierce believed and God used to build this ministry –unless God build the house one labors in vain who builds it. They must now show the Christian community who have supported them all of these years and the unbelieving world their fruits of true rependence and our God will restore them and prove that no sin is beyond the forgiveness of God, only unrepentant sin. This is what will bring true unity in the church and to the corporate culture of World Vision. We must continue to judge ourselves so The Lord will not and to pray for our country which do desperately needs rivival. Let that begin with ourselves and the household of God. We cannot convert anyone but God’s spirit can and he will give that power, real unity and strength to those who obey him, no matter what. No matter what. Thanks Bev.

  • A sad day for people in Uganda, Kenya, and other countries where the same-sex issue is a matter of life and death. World Vision took a courageous step that stood up to the hatred and persecution currently approved by legislation in Uganda and elsewhere–but then it backed down. What would Jesus do?

  • 1 Corinthians 6:9 – “Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men.”

  • we need to forgive World Vision for their first decision. That is the right thing to do.

  • World Vision: A Question of Identity and of Calling. There are three areas of threats to trust for nonprofits. First, there is the threat that comes from internal decisions. Second, there is the threat that comes from external sources, such as government or even cultural pressure resulting from changing normas of acceptable conduct. Third, the threat that is common to all humans such as, war, natural disaster, etc., Perhaps, World Vision experienced threats from its internal decisons as well as external factors.

  • It’s not about what the “Religious ultra Right wing” thinks…it’s about what God says in the Bible…

    “For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

    Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

    Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones.

    In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10: “Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

  • What’s amazing to me is that a “Christian Organization” can make this decision unanimously when historically Christian organizations have held to the truth of scripture! It makes you wonder where this board is in relationship to Christ? I’m glad they reversed course but have my doubts they will hold true to scripture in the future. Organizations such as World Vision have a large overhead (Administration cost) and not every dime goes to the children (I think?)

  • They have humbled themselves, confessed and repented of their sins, and asked for forgiveness. What would cause an hesitation in offering them forgiveness. They have hearkened to the voice of God’s ministers who showed them the error of their ways and they have repented. As Jesus would, let us all forgive and pray for the leadership of that organization and many other Christian organizations that face persecution presented in the face of pro-homosexuality and gay marriage.
    All we can do is pray that God will uphold and strengthen them and cause them to stand boldly for Him as the management of Chick fil A did.
    We need to remember that in His Word, He had mentioned that except He shortened the days, even the very elect would be deceived. If this is going to be the case in the end times , what would make it different now that the church faces persecution in the issue that is pro homosexuality and gay marriage?

  • Love does not mean acceptance and conformance! It means standing firm in the Word of God and not compromising His precepts , it means while not condemning, speak the truth in fear of none other than God.

  • You need to understand that people contribute and support the children, not simply because of their love for the kids, but mostly , their love for God and obedience to His Word. God comes first and should in all that we do as Christians. His glory and honor should be sought above all.
    If you recall the Word that tells us of how God blessed Phinehas because he saved Israel from the plague that was unleashed on them by God. What did Phinehas do? He slay the Isrealite man and the strange woman who he was joined to in disobedience of God’s commands.
    Today God teaches us not to kill in the literal sense of the word, but spiritually, by putting away those who join themselves to the gods of this world and choose to remain in such darkness. Putting away can be done in several ways including not giving them positions in churches , speaking against such ills, giving several warnings; and in the case of those who refuse to turn from their sinful ways and continue to defend their disobedient ways, there is directive by God for them to be CUT OFF! which is the final stage of putting those who choose to remain in sin.
    We have to take our stand, compromise has no place in our walk with God!

  • I pray The Lord’s forgiveness for you. You apparently are ignorant of who Christ is. May His grace be poured mightily on you ,humble you and melt your heart to know who He truly is and how He is love in its purest form. May He arrest you and bring you to the saving grace and knowledge of Christ and use to to draw others who think like you to Him , in Jesus name.

  • If only you read the Bible to truly know Jesus and not just to make ignorant arguments. The Word of God is infallible and spiritual , you cannot understand Its depth and mystery except you humbly ask The Holy Spirit to give you understanding but for the right intent.
    May The Lord have mercy on you and forgive your ignorance.