At last, bad news is good news in the Catholic sex abuse scandal

(RNS) — In the Catholic Church’s sex abuse scandals, what seems like bad news for the church — seemingly daily headlines about clergy being disciplined — is actually good news.

The truly bad news of the scandal, of course, has been the horrible abuse of children, which will have negative effects on them for the rest of their lives. The good news is that perpetrators have been caught and exposed. Accusations are being investigated and the guilty are being punished. When the abuse scandal was first uncovered in the United States some 30 years ago, bishops in other countries denied they had a problem. What is clearly a worldwide problem is now getting attention at the highest level in the church, thanks to Pope Francis.

In this sense, we should be happy to see more bad headlines because it means more bad actors are being caught.

Some of the cases that have received media attention in recent months include:

  • Cardinal Theodore McCarrick, retired archbishop of Washington, has been accused of sexually abusing a teenager almost 50 years ago. He cannot be tried under New York state law because of the statute of limitations, but the Archdiocese of New York found the accusation “credible and substantiated.” Francis has told the 87-year-old cardinal he can no longer exercise publicly his priestly ministry. Whether additional penalties will be imposed is unclear. This case shows that in the future no one in the church can expect to continue as a priest after abuse.
  • Monsignor Carlo Alberto Capella, a 50-year-old official of the Vatican nunciature in Washington, was accused last August by the U.S. State Department of possible violation of laws relating to child pornography. Because he had diplomatic immunity, he could not be tried under U.S. laws. Instead, he was tried and found guilty in a Vatican City State court of possessing and distributing child pornography. He was sentenced to five years in jail and fined 5,000 euros ($5,833). His case will also be examined by the Congregation for Doctrine of the Faith, which can also impose ecclesiastical penalties, including dismissal from the priesthood.
  • Cardinal George Pell, on leave as secretary of finances in the Vatican, is facing trial in Australia over alleged sexual abuse 40 years ago.  The details have not been made public by Australian authorities. The church is waiting until the state legal process is completed before initiating a process of its own.
  • All the bishops of Chile have submitted their resignations at the request of the pope because of the bishops’ failure to deal with abusive priests. The pope has accepted five of the resignations and may accept more. While at first defending the bishops during his January visit to Chile, the pope subsequently sent Maltese Archbishop Charles Scicluna to investigate the situation. After reading his report, the pope acknowledged his mistake, apologized and began meeting with Chilean victims of abuse.
  • Archbishop Philip Wilson, 67, of Adelaide was found guilty by an Australian court of not reporting to the police the abuse of two boys by a priest in the 1970s. An apostolic administrator has been appointed to govern his archdiocese.
  • A Pennsylvania grand jury has prepared a report on the church’s handling of abuse in six dioceses in the state. Its publication has been temporarily held up by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.

In a letter to Catholics in Chile, Francis has decried the "culture of abuse and cover-up" that has existed in the church. He acknowledges that the church did not listen to the victims of abuse. "With shame, I must say that we did not hear and react in time," he wrote.

Back in January, I acknowledged that Francis had a blind spot on sexual abuse and that there was no good process for dealing with bishops who failed to protect children. While the process for dealing with bishops is still unclear, I can no longer accuse the pope of having a blind spot. He now gets it because he listened to victims and to Archbishop Scicluna. Francis should continue meeting with abuse survivors for the rest of his papacy because they need his pastoral attention and he needs to model what other bishops should do. He also needs to continue removing bishops who don’t deal with abusive priests.

The church must continue to be vigilant, listen to victims, report abuse to civil authorities and deal with abuse even if that means more bad stories in the media. Don't be surprised or disappointed if more cases appear in the future. That abuses and cover-ups happened is tragic, but that they are now being exposed and dealt with is good news.

Comments

  1. The abuses are now being exposed and dealt with. BUT are the underlying problems that created the climate and/or that led to the abuses being dealt with? That is the question that remains unaddressed.

  2. Someone estimated years ago that for every abuse victim who came forward, there were 10 who didn’t. Particularly when bishops and church officials were openly hostile to victims. We’ve just seen the surface of this problem. A lot of perps escaped detection, and many are still in the pulpit.

  3. The Pennsylvania grand jury report is being held up by people who have complained to the Pennsylvania Supreme Court
    that the report will damage their reputations. Interestingly, it was the hierarchy’s concern for reputation that led to the cover-up in the first place.

  4. Fr. Tom says of Pope Francis: “He also needs to continue removing bishops who don’t deal with abusive priests.”

    Two issues come to mind.

    One, I think Pope Francis needs to clear up what it means for a bishop to “deal with abusive priests.” Importantly, I think it means he needs to require that the abuse be reported to police, at least in countries where there is a trustworthy legal system. We need to talk about allegations a bishop learns of from confession versus the far more likely times when the bishop learns because an abused victim, parent, teacher, friends tells the bishop. And, we need to see the bishop on the side of the victim by seeing him support the victim in reporting the crime and in getting professional counselling. Part of this is to create an atmosphere where victims are supported so that more will be willing to take allegations to police. Then, too, he needs to deal with how these cases are handled at the Vatican – how many cases of a bishop requesting laicization have been denied by the Vatican?

    Two, Pope Francis needs to look at what is in Canon Law, what is in the formation of priests, and what is in the expected relationship between bishops and priests that has made laity second or third class or bottom rung members of their own Church. Canon Law still forbids a bishop to report a priest to police unless civil law requires it of him. This doesn’t necessarily have a thing to do with confession. There is a terrible lack of cooperation of bishops and the Vatican with local civil justice systems when they refuse to cooperate in providing information they have discovered to civil authorities – again, this doesn’t necessarily have a thing to do with confession. There is a wealth of information in studies that have been made by government bodies, including civil investigative and trial reports from Ireland, the U.S., Canada, Australia. There are books written by retired priests and bishops, like Bishop Geoffrey Robinson of Australia that provide a great deal of background on why the Church failed to act responsibly. There are books and commentary about the loss of trust and faith in the Church and how to get it back. One is a book by retired Australian priest Fr. John Ryan “A Priesthood Imprisoned: A Crisis for the Church”, reviewed by Fr. Tim Hazelwood in the August issue of the Irish journal The Furrow and also available here: https://www.catholica.com.au/gc2/occ4/163_occ4_250618.php

    One more piece that could be a learning experience for all of us, but especially bishops, priests, and popes. It is a story of whistle blower priest Glen Walsh here: https://www.theherald.com.au/story/5445686/sent-to-coventry-the-good-priest-who-broke-ranks-and-reported-child-abuse/?cs=305

  5. The more we can shine a light on these same sex attracted predatory clerics the better.

  6. Anyone can estimate.

    Facts are rare and more precious.

  7. We are not out of the woods yet, not by a long shot. Yes, there have been some held accountable, but like all past abuses, I am positive there are others hidden that we do not know about. So before any becomes complacent and ready to pat people on the back at a job well done, remember there are other parts of the world as well as our own areas where this is still going on.

  8. 1 – Not all predatory clerics are “same sex attracted”.

    2 – I assume from your comment that you condemn the actions of such as those Australian Catholic bishops who “have stated, rather hysterically, that any softening of the seal of the confessional would be an unwarranted attack on religious freedom, that priests will go to prison rather than comply with such a law, and that any priest who did comply with it would be excommunicated.” and the Irish Catholic Church’s National Board for Safeguarding Children which, in 2018, “advised priests not to pass on to the authorities any information about child abuse which they hear in the confessional – thereby advising priests to break the law.” https://www.secularism.org.uk/opinion/2018/06/the-seal-of-the-confessional-and-child-abuse-a-religious-privilege-too-far

  9. Well if the data in the 2016 USSCB report on priestly abuse are reflected on, it would lead to a 4 x improvement in priestly abuse, if we only focused on the homosexual priests.

  10. It’s a fact that sexual abuse is common, but that most abuse is never reported, so it would make sense that most clergy sex abuse victims never came forward. It’s not that complicated if you care about facts. You care more about denial.

  11. The larger problem are all the cases where the bishop learned of sex abuse from the person abused, from a parent of a child abused, from a teacher who reported a priests behavior as “grooming.” Even when sex abuse is not learned in the confessional, Canon Law requires secrecy unless local civil law requires reporting. Most countries, and here many states, do not require a bishop to report suspected cases. It isn’t just that they don’t because they don’t want to – they are forbidden by the Church from doing so.

    The bigger problem is the requirement that bishops follow the requirements of papal secrecy. And, even when information is gleaned in an internal investigation the bishop is not allowed to reveal that information unless compelled by law. Pope Francis could end this in a minute if he wanted to.

    It is strange, I think, that we are taught as Catholics to seek to do what is right, caring, honorable, and supportive of our community, especially children, but bishops consider themselves exempt from the most basic issue of protecting children from sexual predators by cooperating with civil legal authorities.

  12. No, I corrected it. In the real world we see to get the greatest gain on our protective measures.

  13. We have to deal with realities. Reported cases.

    That’s why there’s a statute of limitations.

  14. For clarification – are you of the opinion that

    “the more we can shine a light on these same sex attracted predatory clerics” is compatible with failing to pass information to the appropriate secular authorities – even when it means breaking the law?

    The threat of excommunication (presumably a big deal to a believer) is an appropriate reaction to the possibility of complying with the law?

  15. That changes nothing about the reality. The reality is that a perverted system of power and non-aaccountability prevented victims from coming forward. SInce when was the Church interested in hearing from victims? They were routinely shamed, silenced and villainized. And discouraged from reporting to civil authorities – so there goes your statute of limitations. The Catholic Church is hands down, one of the most evil systems on the planet.

  16. The dioceses which followed Canon Law had little or no problem with abuse.

    First, the seminaries were and are supposed to weed out the immature and the deviant. That was not done in many places. Obviously it is difficult to do so when you have some one like Rembert Weakland in Milwaukee with a live-in boyfriend, or Bernardin in Cincinnati or McCarrick in DC with questionable orientation themselves, but if you don’t do it, the results will be dire.

    Second, a cleric accused of abuse or any impropriety is entitled to due process. However, if found to have violated his vows, Canon Law requires immediate removal, not counseling, not another chance, but the boot.

    A bishop does not have to “request… laicization” if Canon Law is followed. The results of the investigation and the judgment of the bishop are forwarded to the Curia and it is handled from there. In the absence of an investigation the Curia can’t proceed.

    Confession is inviolate. Period.

    Canon Law also requires that the local authorities, assuming that the civil government is not corrupt (e.g., North Korea), be informed of anything which does not break the seal of confession or the privacy of the victim.

    The “study” done in Australia, the so-called Royal Commission, was something of a joke.

    Lincoln, Nebraska, which did it by the book from formation through retirement, had not a single suit nor a single unresolved allegation.

  17. It is and was completely clear.

    Canon Law was not followed.

    Had it been these individuals would never have become clerics.

    Had it been, when they were caught they would have immediately been dismissed and reported to the authorities, not sent for “counseling” and back into the ministry..

    The diocese which scrupulously followed Canon Law had no suits and no unresolved cases of abuse.

  18. Not “the hierarchy” but individual bishops.

    There is now and never has been any proof of a conspiracy of any kind.

  19. Some bishops are and have been a problem.

    McCarrick, for example, made a career out of holding himself out as superior to the Curia and to Canon Law.

    Rembert Weakland in Milwaukee did the same until his $450k payoff of a former boyfriend came to light. And he’s still unrepentant.

  20. It’s not a “power politics problem”

    It begins with the individual choices, sins, perversions, pursuing disordered pleasure.

    It’s exacerbated by other defective, disordered clerics who then protect their younger, more desirable male clerics, for who knows what additional perversions.

    It begins with little vices, and leads to bigger ones, all reinforcing the lavender types.

  21. No, they ought to throw these perverts in special jails.

  22. Re: “A Pennsylvania grand jury has prepared a report on the church’s handling of abuse in six dioceses in the state. Its publication has been temporarily held up by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court.” 

    I love how courts seem so eager to intervene on the R.C. Church’s behalf and protect it. Ireland’s highest court did something like this around a decade ago, attempting to derail at least one of (several) investigative reports into clerical child abuse there. That’s the sort of willing assistance that allowed the Church to get away with so much over such a long time. The Church is full of precious snowflakes who don’t want their vile proclivities known — and there remain way too many other folks in society (e.g. court systems) who can’t or won’t summon the courage to just let everyone find out what they’ve been up to. 

    Once the protection systems the Catholic clergy and hierarchs have hidden behind have been stripped away, only then will I say there’s any “good news” to be had on this front. 

  23. Re: “Even when sex abuse is not learned in the confessional, Canon Law requires secrecy unless local civil law requires reporting.” 

    It’s worse than that. What often happens is that the bishop or his officer goes to the accused priest, says, “What happened with so-&-so?”, gets an answer, then declares whatever is said a “confession.” Any conversation between two priests can always be said to have been in “the confessional” and thus, by canon law, sacrosanct and inviolate. 

    It’s an easy escape hatch for them … and they make use of it, often. When they’re called out on it (for instance, the government of South Australia plans to abolish this protection legally), the Church gets its collective panties in a bunch and rails how their religious rights are being trampled. What’s really happening is that a loophole they’ve long relied on, is being yanked out from under them — and like toddlers who can’t reach the cookie jar, they weep and wail and throw tantrums. 

  24. You’re such a closet case. You’re no different than they are.

  25. Reese is a fraud and he knows it.
    There isn’t a priest in the US that didn’t know what was happening decades before the ” scandal ” was exposed by the Boston Globe.
    Every diocese had it’s criminal pedophile priests, the pastors and the bishops ALL knew about it.
    Reese knew about the abuse but said nothing for decades.
    Suddenly he’s asking himself – WWJD.
    Up your’s Reese….

  26. On May 20, Pope Francis announced he was elevating Archbishop Luis Ladaria Ferrer to cardinal. The pope had already promoted Ladaria as head of the Vatican department that handles sex abuse claims. Ladaria had previously served as second in command. In April, a French court set a date for Ladaria’s trial. He is accused of covering up a child sex abuse scandal. Far worse, after Ladaria covered up for Fr. Gianni Trotta, the priest sexually assaulted an 11-year-old and there are nine other alleged cases of sex abuse against boys that occurred in 2014.
    On May 5, Guam Archbishop Anthony Apuron was given a place of honor at an event attended by Pope Francis. Apuron is accused of rape and sexual assault of minors. In February, Pope Francis had greeted Apuron “with affection” and “privately giving him a few words of encouragement.” Pope Francis removed Apuron in 2016, meaning he found the charges to be credible, but the archbishop has always remained a free man, retaining his title, income and honors.

  27. There are several idiotic comments herein about non-adherence to ” canon law “.

    After 1500 yrs of total and complete corruption, why would any self-serving ” law ” apply to anyone but the pious sheep.

    But the pious Kool-Ad drinkers still have visions of ” Pearly Gates “.

    Seated on a golden throne inside the gates is the great-god Buddha.

    When those apologists, who speak of canon law, enter thru the gates – Buddha will say to them :

    ” What the frock do YOU want ?

  28. Father Reese’s desire to see progress is understandable. But this is like the owner of a flea infested dog saying, “Isn’t this great. We removed six fleas.”

  29. https://triblive.com/state/pennsylvania/13800278-74/supreme-court-muzzles-grand-jury-report-on-priest-abuse-until-challenges-are

    “The Pennsylvania Supreme Court, which stayed the release of a sweeping secret grand jury investigation into allegations of sexual abuse in Catholic dioceses across the state, said Monday it will withhold the report to give unindicted people named in it a chance to challenge its findings.”

    “In an unsigned opinion that shed light on last week’s brief ruling, the justices said ‘many individuals’ named in the grand jury report that examined decades of abuse reports in six dioceses, including Greensburg and Pittsburgh, petitioned the court, saying they were denied due process to defend their reputations.”

    “Noting that reputation is a right under the state constitution and that some petitions have yet to be reviewed, the justices said they will review the temporary stay once those challenges ‘can be resolved, or an informed and fair determination can be made as to whether a continued stay is warranted.’”

    So it has nothing to do with “intervening on the R.C. Church’s behalf and protect(ing) it” and everything to do with protecting due process.

  30. There is a single idiotic comment herein complaining about mentioning Canon Law.

    It is rather like reading a complaint about the government failing to protect pedestrians because no matter what laws are passed, no matter how strictly enforced, some darned fool will drive 80 mph through the school zone and kill one or more people.

  31. Obviously you know nothing at all about the seal of confession.

    No surprise there.

  32. The Church’s job isn’t to be a nanny, or an NGO, but to provide the means to make us saints today and later in heaven.

    Someone is always trying to tart up the Church to be their nanny, the Mommy they miss, or the Daddy that never loved them.

  33. Except, of course, he is not the owner of a flea-infested dog nor is the situation he’s describing infested.

  34. Within the church, which cannot incarcerate him, removing his income requires due process. Are you aware of any proceedings in which the charges were weighed by the church?

    Outside the church in the civil courts, which have no control over his income, not remaining a free man requires an actual filing of charges and a trial, with freedom while that goes on weighed in the light flight risk and so on.

    As to tile and “honors”, well those rather go along with the rest.

  35. “Within the church, which cannot incarcerate him, removing his income requires due process.” Both are false.
    Carlo Capella, Josef Wesolowski and Lucio Angel Vallejo Balda were incarcerated before their cases were adjudicated. Thousands of Church employees, clergy and prelates have had their incomes removed without due process.

  36. No, Canon Law requires due process prior to the levying of a penalty.

    Lucio Ángel Vallejo Balda was in the Vatican when arrested, under the jurisdiction of Vatican law, and was jailed AFTER being convicted. The same was true of Carlo Capella. Józef Wesołowski voluntarily returned to the Vatican City to face trial and died in a private residence before a trial could commence.
    Anyone covered by Canon Law who is penalized without due process has recourse under Canon Law.

    “Church employees” may be employees of a parish, diocese, or other entity connected to the Church but subject to civil law rather than Canon Law.

    As the old saying goes, we generally have a fair trial before the hanging.

  37. Bob there is more than just the legalities (Canon law) that led to the abuse. There was a whole climate/culture that basically believed that becoming a priest, taking sacred vows would fundamentally change the man. This proved not to be the case. This basic climate/culture has not changed, as far as i can see.

  38. While I appreciate your mantra involves “a whole climate/culture that basically believed that becoming a priest, taking sacred vows would fundamentally change the man”, such an approach is contrary to Canon Law.

    Canon Law requires that the weak, infirm, immature, disoriented, and otherwise unfit be weeded out prior to ordination.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/_PW.HTM

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20051104_istruzione_en.html

    http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/ccatheduc/documents/rc_con_ccatheduc_doc_20080628_orientamenti_en.html

    This becomes difficult when the bishop overseeing a diocese should not himself have been admitted to Holy Orders such as Rembert Weakland the former archbishop in Milwaukee.

  39. “Canon Law requires that the weak, infirm, immature, disoriented, and otherwise unfit be weeded out prior to ordination.”

    Where does that leave you, Bob?

  40. The question for the Mouth of Bib is why haven’t charges been filed? It’s been two years.

  41. Your “no” refers to both my questions then?

  42. “Under Roman Catholic law, it is forbidden for a priest to disclose information — under any circumstances — obtained in the form of religious confession. If a priest breaks what’s called “the sacred seal of confession,” he will be subject to excommunication from the church.”

    Effectively – bad people can do bad things to other people and admit it under certain circumstances knowing that they won’t get reported to the secular authorities, won’t have to face trial and won’t have to go to jail – however much they deserve being exposed for the bad person they are. Plus – the person who has a decent conscience and wants to do what is clearly morally correct is banned from doing so, on the one hand threatened with the hell he has to warn others against and facing the loss of career, status, and income whilst, on the other, losing his self-respect and sense of personal integrity. No wonder the RCC is finding it hard to recruit decent trainees for the priesthood.

    And all because the both miscreant and the priest believe in an insubstantial, unsubstantiated deity whose existence is theoretical rather than actual. Whilst the actual people who are actually abused get no closure and other actual people are unnecessarily put at actual risk. If you told that to an unindoctrinated eight year old of average intelligence they would tell you that is wrong – just simply, awfully, repulsively wrong.

    I understand why priests and the church would be reluctant to give up the power this silly idea provides – but I’m darn sure the Jesus of the Gospels would refute the practice were he around to have his say.

  43. Happy that you calmed down and went against the tendency to use profanity. Good work.

  44. This issue of homosexual predatory priests needs greater coverage by the secular press. There’s a whole string of bishops, some cardinals and many priests protecting each other’s disordered life styles.

  45. WTF are you going on about now? You insult clergy sex abuse victims at the risk of your own soul. You’re a nutcase closet case. God knows what dirty secrets you have.

  46. Bob you just confirmed my point! By the time the person takes their vows, the “weak, infirm, immature, disoriented and otherwise unfit would be weeded out” AND that obviously didn’t happen. The men that made it through the process and took their final vows were NOT changed men.

  47. You confirmed my point with “AND that obviously didn’t happen”.

    Right, Canon Law was NOT observed.

    Where it was problems were zero or low.

    Any “climate/culture that basically believed that becoming a priest, taking sacred vows would fundamentally change the man” was inconsistent with both Canon Law and the theology of Holy Orders.

  48. I don’t believe raping young people and having your bishop cover it up while harassing the victims is going to make you a saint or get you to heaven. You’re a freak.

  49. And the easy solution, eliminate the priesthood and all other religious leadership positions by simply eliminating all religions. And it is mind boggling how easy it is easy to do as noted again by the Great Kibosh:

    Putting the kibosh on all religion in less than ten seconds: Priceless !!!

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Abraham i.e. the foundations of Judaism, Christianity and Islam are non-existent.

    • As far as one knows or can tell, there was no Moses i.e the pillars of Judaism, Christianity and Islam have no strength of purpose.

    • There was no Gabriel i.e. Islam fails as a religion. Christianity partially fails.

    • There was no Easter i.e. Christianity completely fails as a religion.

    • There was no Moroni i.e. Mormonism is nothing more than a business cult.

    • Sacred/revered cows, monkey gods, castes, reincarnations and therefore Hinduism fails as a religion.

    • Fat Buddhas here, skinny Buddhas there, reincarnated/reborn Buddhas everywhere makes for a no on Buddhism.

    • A constant cycle of reincarnation until enlightenment is reached and belief that various beings (angels?, tinkerbells? etc) exist that we, as mortals, cannot comprehend makes for a no on Sikhism.

    Added details available upon written request.

    A quick search will put the kibosh on any other groups calling themselves a religion.

    e.g. Taoism

    “The origins of Taoism are unclear. Traditionally, Lao-tzu who lived in the sixth century is regarded as its founder. Its early philosophic foundations and its later beliefs and rituals are two completely different ways of life. Today (1982) Taoism claims 31,286,000 followers.

    Legend says that Lao-tzu was immaculately conceived by a shooting star; carried in his mother’s womb for eighty-two years; and born a full grown wise old man. “

  50. I agree. This story is of course about a predatory homosexual cleric abusing young, post-pubescent men, a story all too common.

  51. I’m certain you would have special knowledge of predatory homosexual behavior.

  52. Raping young people and covering it up is WHO YOUR CHURCH IS.

  53. What you wrote about Vallejo Balda, Capell and Wesolowski is not true. Therefore, there is no need to continue the discussion.

  54. Go ahead and post the URL AND THE EXACT QUOTE.

  55. Just did on Józef Wesołowski. Anyone can read the entire articles.

    Would you like other two?

  56. It’s a crime to be sure, and an offense against nature and against God.

    The bulk of such predators are same-sex attracted men, seeking post-pubescent young me.

    Not all, but a large majority.

  57. Your self-loathing and internalized homophobia is showing.

  58. I think not.

    The noise and chaos and complaint and anger are coming from those who aren’t doing God’s will with their body, who are going against the natural grain.

    Something essential just never quite fits, there is a moral itchiness that builds, and then there is the anger, and the blaming of others…there is the desire to undo the true good, to redefine nature, to explain it away.

    But no whitewashing, no law, no self-justification, no hormone replacement therapy ever seems sufficient to make these people happy.

    So they get angrier and angrier.

    They get counseling, they take drugs, they lash out..and in the end – so many take their life.

    It’s very sad.

  59. What’s sad is the level of your disturbed nature, your self-hatred and twisted closet existence, which is obvious to me. You’re an extremely fked up human. Barely human, in fact.

  60. It’s well known about the interior problems of this class of people, counseling, drugs, suicide, depression. Nothing gay about it. A perversion of the word to be sure.

  61. That’s what I said. “This class of people” being perverted, disturbed, self-loathing closet cases such as yourself.

  62. It’s really a sad littering of the human spirit.

    It never fits for them.

  63. You didn’t reply to my question did you?

    Your comment confuses me – it sometimes doesn’t take much.

    Profanity as in obscene – I don’t recall doing so but my definition of obscene is perhaps not yours.

    Alternatively – Profane just means “not sacred” – Sacred means “connected with God or a god or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration”. by these terms I am, and expect to die, profane.

  64. You think he’s an ordained Latin adherent? I don’t.

  65. That’s a bizarre claim about a church that is supposed to be the bride and body of Christ.

  66. That’s an estimate on your part, you said that we must deal in facts.

  67. No, just a wannabe who talks out of his a$$ all the time.

  68. No, it’s an observation driven by examining the parsimony in nature and the natural complementarity of the man and the woman, not just at the anatomical level, but also at the cellular level, genetic level, and even at the immunological level.

    These are facts that the “fluid” people ignore.

    There is some serious disorder out there.

  69. Not at all. The Church expects us to operate as free agents, using our free will and other capacities to “to come to the truth and to do the good”.

    The Church is happy when individual Catholics (fueled and guided by the 3 part principles of both social justice: solidarity, subsidiarity, and working to preserve the dignity of the person) FREELY choose to do good, outside of any “church program”.

    Subsidiarity.

    It’s the rigid (and duller) types that think the Church needs to have a whole panoply of programs for this or that cause.

    Utter mindless nonsense.

  70. This issue of heterosexual predatory priests needs greater coverage by the secular press. The evidence is that the majority of sexual predators who molest young boys, teens and young men identify as heterosexual, not homosexual. It isn’t so much about sexual gratification as it is about power over.

  71. And it isn’t about a same sex attracted predators, he was trying to arrange visits with prepubescent girls and boys. This isn’t about sexual attraction, it’s about power over children.

  72. If they focused on predatory homosexual priests they would be focusing on only a small part of the issue – the predatory heterosexual priests.

    Not all gay men are sexual predators, just as not all straight men are either.

    You have a real hangup about gay people. You protest way too loudly my dear!

  73. No they’d be focusing on more than 80% of the abusing priests, which the 2016 USCCB report showed! 80% same sex, 91% post-pubescent.

    Amazing fact.

  74. We have to face the facts that the priesthood let in a lot of fragile “men”.

  75. The bulk of the problem, as the 2016 USCCB report showed is with same sex (that is homosexual) priests going after post-pubescent young men.

    It’s sexual.

    No one buys the worn out “power” argument from worn out sociology classes. It’s sex.

    Power doesn’t explain the porn problem.

    It’s aberrant sexual behavior.

  76. OK, I have found the report and I believe that your statement is partially true. However, what you fail to mention is that the majority of the reported abuse is historical, reported by adults who claim abuse decades prior, when they were teens, by abusers, many of whom are now deceased.

    You mention it as if it is an ongoing issue today, that huge numbers of gay priests are abusing teenaged boys currently in the Latin Church. That isn’t the case.

  77. Again, these are cases of historic abuse, not current day happenings. These cases happened decades ago, by priest who are mostly dead. It isn’t a current day situation.

  78. They have, they are called caskets, as most of them are dead.

  79. So having predatory same sex attracted priests should be ignored, better to focus on righting the wrongs of the past, which, also occurred with same sex attracted priests and altar boys.

  80. Those were reported in the prior period before the 2016 doc was written up.

  81. Actually no, there was an increase in reporting of historic abuses, 900+ from 2015 to 2016, according to the document that you use to support your claims, because the US state of Minnesota put its statute of limitations law on hiatus for three years, allowing adult men who couldn’t make a claim before, to make claims.

  82. The 80% figure is from the 2011 report and it is historic cases from decades ago. There are very few substantiated claims being made currently according to the 2016 document.

  83. There aren’t really any same sex attracted abuses by priests happening today, according to the 2016 document, only a tiny current number reported. Your flogging a dead horse, historic abuses, from decades ago, by priests long dead!

  84. There really is no significant abuse of any kind according to the latest reports.

    Yes, the media has been flogging a dead horse, historic abuses, from decades, by priest long dead!

  85. The largest percentage of cases involved homosexual behavior.

  86. That’s a theory. Others, some rather expert, have differing opinions.

  87. Well, that raises a good point that most liberals and dissenting Catholics don’t want to face: The problem HAS diminished, but as the data shows the problem still exists, and as the data shows it is led by a wide margin same-sex attracted priests. The left likes to keep the abuse issue alive for other than humanitarian reasons, mostly for political reasons. But that’s another issue.

    Tell the parent of an abused young man that “it’s flogging a dead horse” to focus on the pervs.

    What I told all of my sons and I have a lot, is that if any man ever tries to get creepy with them, they should immediately with great surprise and violence of action beat him into a fetal position with whatever it takes to do it, and then to humiliate him, by peeing on him, if they felt safe enough to do it. He would never touch another young man again.

  88. I can’t fault what you have told your sons. I am not an apologist for priests who sexually abuse people, of whatever sexual orientation.

    However, you are straying outside the topic with your athletes example. There are far more situations of sexual abuse by heterosexual doctors against young women. The two most infamous recently being the OB/GYN who worked in the student clinic at USC and the team doctor for US Olympic gymnasts.

  89. Good point. We need to root out the same sex attracted priests from the priesthood, and we will have solved 80% of the problem.

    McCarrick is a GREAT example. He in fact brought in a whole bunch of fragile ones and made them bishops. This stretches back to Spellman, another same sex attracted predator.

    There’s too man of them in the episcopacy.

  90. The catholic churchs leaders will answer to the true God for the true God does not tolerate churhs or religions who claim to represent God, yet in there practices ie; child molestation, condone this vile behavior yes condone when these leaders know of these detestable pratices and yet turn a blind eye condone this behavior the catholic church has left millions of peoples scarred for life …walking zombies the scriptures label false churhs as a harlot, dirty unclean claiming to represent the trueGod all along serving the wicked ruler of this world.

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