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Who knew? The late Cardinal John O’Connor’s mother was born Jewish

Cardinal John O'Connor speaks at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York on Nov. 11, 1986. Religion News Service file photo
Cardinal John O'Connor speaks at St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York on Nov. 11, 1986. Religion News Service file photo

Cardinal John O’Connor speaks at St. Patrick’s Cathedral in New York on Nov. 11, 1986. Religion News Service file photo

NEW YORK (RNS) It’s hard to think of a Catholic churchman who was more outspoken in defense of Jews and Judaism than Cardinal John O’Connor, the charismatic New York archbishop who died in 2000.

Now research into O’Connor’s family tree has found that the cardinal’s affinity for Judaism apparently went deeper than even he knew: His mother, it turns out, was born Jewish and converted before she married O’Connor’s father. Yet the cardinal likely believed his mother was originally Lutheran.

“I think he would have been very proud of it,” his sister, Mary O’Connor Ward, said of the discovery in an interview published in the April 30 edition of Catholic New York.

Ward told the archdiocesan newspaper that she started genealogical research on the O’Connor clan at the urging of one of her daughters.

As she began her quest, Ward found that her maternal grandparents, Tina and Gustav Gumple, had been buried in a Jewish cemetery in Bridgeport, Conn. When they died, in the 1800s, non-Jews could not have been buried in a Jewish burial site, Ward said.

Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres, left, and New York's Cardinal John O'Connor met on Sept. 19, 1986 at the Cardinal's residence in New York. Religion News Service file photo by Chris Sheridan

Then Israeli Prime Minister Shimon Peres, left, and New York’s Cardinal John O’Connor met on Sept. 19, 1986 at the cardinal’s residence in New York. Religion News Service file photo by Chris Sheridan

Then she went to the archives of the Archdiocese of Philadelphia — where the five O’Connor children were raised in a row house — and found that their mother, Dorothy Gumple O’Connor, converted to Catholicism when she was 19, more than a year before she met and married their father, Thomas O’Connor.

“What brought it about, I’ll never know,” Ward told CNY. “None of us will ever know why she became a Catholic.”

Their mother was devout in her practice, and died while sitting in a chair reciting the rosary.

Ward said she doesn’t think her brother knew of the family’s Jewish roots, and the cardinal reportedly said he thought his mother was originally Lutheran because her family came from Germany.

Cardinal O’Connor certainly seemed like the quintessentially Irish-American churchman, with a love for people, a gift for telling stories, and a knack for mixing it up in politics. But his passion for Judaism was a hallmark of his tenure, as well.

Speaking metaphorically, O’Connor told a 1987 rally protesting the treatment of Jews in the Soviet Union: “I am proud to be this day, with you, a Jew.” He also called himself a “spiritual Semite” and dared anyone who would attack Jews to paint a swastika on the rectory where he lived.

He was a strong supporter of Jewish causes and played a key role in the Vatican’s recognition of the State of Israel in 1993.

O’Connor also wrote a book, “His Eminence and Hizzoner,” with that quintessentially New York Jew, Ed Koch, his friend and sparring partner, who was mayor during part of the time that O’Connor was archbishop.

Indeed, Koch — who died last year — was such a fixture in the front pew at Midnight Mass in St. Patrick’s Cathedral every Christmas that O’Connor joked that he wouldn’t start the service until the former mayor was seated.

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  • Another Cardinal who had a strong family-Jewish connection was Cardinal Richard J. Cushing of Boston whose sister was married to a Jewish man. According to accounts the Cardinal was very close to his sister and brother-in-law.

  • The fact that we celebrate the rare situations
    where someone from one religion accepts as valid another religion
    should tell you what a blunder religion really is.

    If all religions are okay, none of it is worth bothering with.

  • Max, Peace to you! The blunder (if I might be so bold) might be in your opinion because to say that going from one religion to another is making religion a blunder is not a hypothesis and it surly is far from the works of a theory. It is your opinion which you are entitled to. Blunder means making an embarrassing mistake and it comes from the the Old Norse word – blundra- meaning to “shut ones eyes”. To use our mind and intelligence in thinking about the beliefs of religions and looking for truth is just normal wisdom and critical thinking.
    There is nothing wrong in a religion that claims to be founded by God. One has to study the religion and see if it is what it claims to be. It is more than study it is living the beliefs that a religion profess. Have a peaceful day!

  • Although a churchman doesn’t need to have Jewish antecedents in order to be a heretical Judaizer, in O’Connor’s case it must have been a factor. It is well known here in NY that he explicitly told Jews- even ones that were inclined towards Catholicism- that they DID NOT need to convert and, indeed, SHOULD NOT convert. What a traitor to the Gospel and to the Church.

  • @Noel,
    Yes.
    Christianity can only be a blunder:

    God said, “Rape the slaves”, “they are a gift of the Lord”, “take the pretty ones you lust for and rape them.” (Duet 21:10-14)

    Jesus said:
    “Love God, follow his commands”
    “I and my Father are one” (John 10:30-33)

    —-
    These injunctions alone are self-evidently blunderous as in:
    wildly impossible, how could one love such a god?
    The injunction itself is unloving, uncaring, dangerous, barbaric, inhumane, scandalous…need I go on?

    Christianity is AN ERROR as was Judaism before it.
    This sort of jarring nonsense can’t possibly be tidied up.

  • Atheist Max:

    I wouldn’t be so proud of being an atheist — all the major mass murderers of the 20th century were either atheists or pagans. When a human believes they have no one to answer to except their own self interests, then they are capable of great evil. That’s just common sense AND the lesson of history.

  • Again Max, Peace! You are acting as the interpreter of the Bible. In the faith I follow we do not do our own interpretation of the Bible in a public manner without the teaching church. One can take the scriptures and do prayerful reading of them as one encounters God. God speaks to the heart in sacred scripture. You seem to be the sole author of how you interpret scripture but I do not belong to your following. We have scripture scholars who have studied the Bible for centuries. Linguists, historians etc. Keep reading the Bible Max, but why not choose the passages of God’s mercy and salvation– Spend time with these words and you might even try asking if God is there to help you, it can’t hurt– if you do that for a number of days, you will have a wonderful surprise.

  • Max, I just looked up in the Bible the verse you picked from Deuteronomy and a first question is what Bible are you using to get this quote? Also one needs to understand how Deuteronomy was written, why it was written, when it was written and what was happening during that time in history. What were the cultures of those days and how did the non Jewish cultures treat women? These will be amazing eye openers and then the blunder of keeping one’s eyes closed we no longer be there.

  • @RobZ,

    Not true at all.
    I won’t be lumped in with those straw men.
    They were not Atheists at all:

    HITLER:
    A devout Catholic who demanded faith in the Socialist Nationalism – the Aryan Race was believed to be literally Angelic. His favorite parable was the one where Jesus commands “Execute my enemies” and Hitler believed Jesus meant the Jews. Hitler’s first peace treaty was with the Vatican.

    POL POT:
    Theravada Buddhist who lapsed into divine ideas about his heavenly role. He was against education and science – what sort of Atheism is that?

    STALIN:
    Orthodox Christian Seminarian – Assumed the role of CZAR “God’s intermediary” in russian history a religious position. He used the church to seize power and forced upon the population religious allegiance to the “miracles of communism” especially Lysenko’s Agricultural abilities – this is NOT Atheism.

    HIROHITO:
    Emperor of the Sun God – sent Kamikazes to surrender their lives for eternal glory of a permanent victory over the worlds great powers. This is not Atheism.

    —-
    HOWEVER…. LOOK WHAT IS DONE FOR JESUS:
    800,000 people were killed in RWANDA in 1994
    because Catholic priests and nuns
    picked up Machetes and cut Tutsies to death –
    they were taught to “EXECUTE THEM” by Jesus (Luke 19:27).

    Don’t tell them they took it out of context.
    It is too late for you to explain that to the Catholic nuns and Priests
    who conducted the murders along with thousands of Hutus.

    Father Athanase Seromba was sentenced to 15 years imprisonment

    by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda

    for his role in the massacre of 2000 Tutsis.

    Seromba lured the Tutsis to the church, where they believed they would find refuge. But….When they arrived, THE PRIEST LOCKED THE DOORS and ordered bulldozers TO CRUSH them alive.

    He ordered Hutu militias to kill any survivors.

    Seromba found shelter at the Vatican for many months along with other nuns and catholic perpetrators of The Rwandan Genocide.

    Tell me how Father Seromba’s morality is better than mine.

    Tell me how morality is not possible without religion!


    “bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their king, AND EXECUTE THEM in front of me.”
    – Jesus (Luke 19:27)

  • @Noel,

    I did not elaborate on Deuteronomy – I summarized a few bits.

    But I am glad to elaborate on any part of it
    because these are not small matters of philosophy
    but absolutist beliefs which to this day are destroying lives:

    GOD COMMANDS that you trick people into slavery:

    “Attack and offer the people terms for peace. If they accept, then all the people inside must serve you in slavery.” (Deut. 20:10)

    GOD DEMANDS YOU BUY SLAVES OF OTHER RACES:

    “You shall purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you…also the children..You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children, they shall be a PERMANENT inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this…” (Leviticus 25:44-46)

    THE BIBLE SAYS – SLAVES, SURRENDER TO PERVERSION. DON’T RUN TO FREEDOM.
    “Slaves, be subject to your masters with all reverence, not only to those who are good and equitable but also to those who are PERVERSE.” (1 Peter 2:18)

    THE LORD COMMANDS, MAKE YOUR SLAVES INTO PERMANENT PROPERTY BY BRANDING

    The Lord said, “if the servant declares, ‘I love my master and my wife and children and do not want to go free,’ then his master must take him…to the door or the doorpost and pierce his ear with an awl. Then he will be his servant for life.” (EXODUS 21:5)

    GOD RECOMMENDS TAKING THE PRETTIEST SLAVES AS GOD’S PERSONAL GIFT – PERMITTING FORCIBLE RAPE
    
“Says the LORD, your God…if you see a comely woman among the enslaved and become so enamored of her….you may take her home….you may have relations with her, then she will be your wife…” (Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

    —–

    JESUS REINFORCES (WHAT ELSE CAN HE DO?)

    
“Jesus answered them, ‘I and My Father are one.’ ” (John 10:30-33)

  • Hitler a devout Catholic?? What a joke! Please get your history straight. He planned to go after the churches, especially the Catholic Church when he had finished his insane persecution of Judaism. Hitler identified with the pagan gods of Germanic culture such as Thor and Odin and wanted to revive that culture. He despised Christianity. Stalin persecuted the Catholic Church in Ukraine, destroying church buildings and starving the people to death. Aetheistic Communism in Asia has killed countless people. Better go read some real history, fella.

  • @Chris,

    You are flat WRONG.

    Hitler’s favorite parable ends with this injunction:

    “Bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King, and EXECUTE THEM in front of me.” – Jesus (Luke 19:27)

    HITLER RE AFFIRMS HIS HATRED OF ATHEISM, MAKES HIS FIRST PEACE TREATY IN 1933 – with THE VATICAN.

    HITLER ENFORCES CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS.
    CHURCH BELLS WILL RING ON HIS BIRTHDAY EVERY YEAR.
    HITLER WILL HAVE VETO POWER OVER THE GERMAN CARDINALS.

    In Germany during the Nazi era, a 1933 decree stated that “No National Socialist may suffer detriment… on the ground that he does not make any religious profession at all”. However, the regime strongly opposed “godless communism”, and most of Germany’s atheist and largely left-wing freethought organizations were banned the same year; some right-wing groups were tolerated by the Nazis until the mid-1930s.

    During negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordat of April 26, 1933 Hitler stated that “Secular schools can never be tolerated” because of their irreligious tendencies. In a speech made later in 1933, Hitler claimed to have “stamped [Gottlosenbewegung] it out”.

    The word Hitler used, “Gottlosenbewegung”, refers specifically to the communist freethought movement, not atheism in general.

    HITLER THE CATHOLIC FOLLOWER
    OF JESUS AND MARTIN LUTHER

    First of all, there has never been such thing as “state-imposed Atheism”.
    It isn’t possible.

    A state can ban religion, but it cannot ban ATHEISM because it is NOT a belief, a faith, or a set of doctrines or dogmas and CANNOT be imposed on anybody.
    Atheism is an absence of belief, and you cannot ban something that does not exist.

    HITLER DIDN’T SAY, “I don’t believe in god, therefore I will slaughter lots of innocent people”.

    Christians have been trying to discredit Hitler’s faith for decades, turning their eyes away from countless history books. From the earliest formation of the Nazi party he expressed his Christian support to the German citizenry and soldiers. He was baptized as Roman Catholic in Austria, attended a monastery school and was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

    Hitler was confirmed as a “SOLDIER of CHRIST” and his goal was to become a priest.

    Hitler was never excommunicated or condemned and the church had stated that he was “Avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

    Hitler was given veto power over whom the Pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany and forged a treaty whereas the National Socialist state was officially recognized by the Catholic Church. In a letter to the Nazi party, he wrote
    “…this treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism is hostile to religion is a lie.”

    He allied with Pope Pius in converting German society and made a deal with the church whereas the church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons, and in turn, Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This lead to Hitler enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home.

    Hitler was quoted, “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today…Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.”

    In fact, the Holocaust grew out of Hitler’s Christian education due mainly to Jews having an inferior status in Christian Austria and Germany. The Christians there blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus and the hatred that Hitler fostered against Jewish people began from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany.

    Martin Luther held a livid hatred for Jews and their religion.

    Luther wrote a book titled “On the Jews and their Lies” which set the standard for Jewish hatred all the way up to World War 2.
    Hitler, of course, expressed enormous admiration for Martin Luther.

    The Nazis began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught. They included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961. Nazi soldiers wore religious symbols and placed religious sayings on military gear. The official army belt buckle read “God With Us”. They got sprinkled with holy water and listened to Catholic sermons before going out on maneuvers. The Nazis had a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens and if anyone was suspected of heresy they would be prosecuted.

    HITLER EXPRESSES HIS LOVE OF CHRIST, LOVE OF CHRISTIANITY AND CONVICTION THAT GOD IS ON HIS SIDE.

    Here is Hitler’s commitment to Christianity:
    “We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933

    “My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

    “Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.”
    -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf

    “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

    ‘GOTT MIT UNS’ (god on our side) shall be on every soldier’s belt buckle – Adolph Hitler, speech in Berlin, June 1933

  • Max, there will always be people who interpret the message of Christ and his gift of Salvation in incorrect ways. Some of these people show disdain for religion by incorrect, fundamental interpretations of the Bible. Would you take the time to answer questions posed to you. ie. What Bible translation are you using? It is always tragic when a baptized Catholic falls into sin and stays there, any Christian who lives in unrepentant sin and never seeks God’s mercy is not going to bring the Good News of Jesus as being the way, the truth and the life to others. Anyone who lives outside of God’s grace and chooses to stay there is a danger to society and all humanity. Those who follow non Christian religions that promote killing or anything against human life are a cause of great evil and suffering. Those who choose to break the Ten Commandments( which once was the dough (fiber) of our law system in this nation and was a compass to guide the family structure towards seeking a virtuous life will not bring our society to a better place. As we continue to break these commandments and say it is right to violate these commandments we as a people will bring havoc to our society. We have lots of Hitlers destroying life right now. Just breaking the commandment — Thou Shall Not Kill has made our country a very violent place to live in. We no longer see the value of human life and now are paying the price. An atheist can be a sincere person who lives a moral life by respecting human life, by promoting what is good and is not threatened by those who believe in God. You come across to the believer as one who is very angry and again just whom are you angry at? God?
    Keeping you in prayer and have a peaceful day!

  • Max, Rwanda was a horrific time in the world s history of nations doing nothing to help the people of Rwanda. Yes, there were Religious, ministers, priests who did evil in the genocide of Rwanda.but have you read about the priests, sisters, ministers, catechists , bishops who were brutally killed also and those who gave up their lives to save others. Here is a quote during the beginnings of that horrific time in the worlds history regarding the slaughter of the people of Rwanda by St.John Paul ll –
    VATICAN – ” The Pope’s anguished and repeated calls during the genocide in Rwanda: ‘Do not give in to the temptation of hatred and revenge. At this tragic stage of the life of your country, be builders of peace and love’.”
    Hatred and revenge destroy relationships and destroy peace– Over night a nation can change, history proves it.

  • Max the aetheist, it is you who are wrong. My family is from Germany, my parents and grandparents saw what unfolded firsthand. Stalin at one time was also considering entering a Russian Orthodox seminary but eventually turned on his Church just as Hitler did on the Catholic Church. The fact that Hitler was baptized in the Catholic Church is not the definitive issue. Many people are baptized in various churches and leave as adults because they never made their faith their own. Hitler put on a show of sympathy for Christianity as long as it served his purposes. A devout Catholic? Please read the story of Father Alfred Delp, a German Jesuit who became involved in the resistance movement against Hitler and was murdered because of it, strung up naked and hung from a hook. As was the great Lutheran pastor Dietrich Bonhoeffer who was also willing to sacrifice his life to stop Hitler’s madness. You dishonor these great men by your insistence that Hitler was a practicing Catholic.

    Adolph Hitler died the death of a coward and traitor to humanity. Both Judaism and the churches he tried so desperately to destroy live on. God is not mocked.

  • And by the way, Max, Pastor Bonhoeffer’s twin sister’s husband was Jewish. When speaking of “Lutherans” please don’t put all eggs in the same basket.

    I apologize to others commenting here as I have derailed the discussion from its original one about Cardinal O’Connor’s Jewish roots. I will not comment further.

  • @Chris,

    “Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

    Good people will do good things.
    Bad people will do bad things.
    But if you want to motivate lots of good people to do BAD THINGS you need religion.

    Don’t point to Delp or Bohoeffer if you are not willing to point to HITLER. All of Hitler’s SS guards were confessing CATHOLICS!
    They all interpreted Jesus Christ in their own way:

    *********

    “bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King, and EXECUTE THEM in front of me.” – JESUS (Luke 19:27)

    *******

    “And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.”
    -Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

    Religion is a dangerous, horrible toy. We don’t need it.

  • Please stop giving credit to Jesus Christ for the good things that some Christians do unless you are willing to give credit to Jesus Christ for the bad things that Priests do.

    Christianity is incoherent nonsense and it impossible to know what to do with it:

    “bring to me those enemies of mine who would not have me as their King, and EXECUTE THEM in front of me.” – Jesus (luke 19:27)

    “I have come to bring FIRE on the earth, and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and what constraint I am under until it is completed! Do you think I came to bring peace on Earth? No, I tell you, but division.” – Jesus – (Luke 12:49-51)

    Jesus sounds like Hitler, here.
    Notice that?

  • @NOEL,

    “there will always be people who interpret the message of Christ and his gift of Salvation in incorrect ways”

    Then what good is it?

  • Max, just wanted to comment on “so what good is it” If you meant Salvation– now there is a great gift. Imagine being in water where you are drowning. Gasping for air, trying to survive but knowing you are going to die. You want desperately for someone to save you and there is someone coming, trying to get to you but being human they just can’t get to you in time. Then there is Jesus- he just comes right to you and in his humanity and divinity grasps you gently and you are no longer drowning. You have been saved but at a closer look you see the hands that have grasped you from the drowning waters of the sea, of despair and death., His hands have wounds in it made by the cruel death of crucifixion. There, in his resurrected hands you see the price that Christ paid for your salvation and all humanity. God wanted you for all eternity and loves you forever. He knows your pain and suffering because he has already suffered for you. A suffering he never had to do. It was paid in full only because of Love. When you see someone, a child or a wife die from a cruel sickness, from an accident or a deliberate murder it is the greatest test of faith, if one has the gift of faith. Yet, when you believe that this life is not the final end and that there really is a place where there is joy, love and no more sorrow– heaven — somehow looking at the crucified Christ who was sinless gives strength to one who is watching suffering. Mary, the Mother of Jesus ,stood at the cross and never became bitter, or a woman who sought revenge for the death of her innocent son who she believed was the Messiah and the Son of God. What good is salvation? It is living in the union of Goodness himself! If there is no God then those who believe and have tried to live by their faith will just know nothing but if there is a God then everything is very different for the believer and the non believer. Mercy or damnation is in the hands of the eternal judge but we are the ones who choose our destination. People choose heaven or hell. They live it daily and at the final moment they have the freedom to choose. Some choose life and some choose death!

  • @Noel,

    Yes I do understand the entire Christian theory as you outlined it. And it has a logic within itself.
    But doesn’t it mean that you must believe all of this:

    1. Hell truly exists and you will be going there if you don’t reach out Jesus?

    2. You were brought into the world specifically to “drown” (as you say) expressly for the purpose of choosing the drowning or to be saved. Right?

    3. God became Jesus to save us from the drowning.

    4. But God is the one who created us and started us drowning. Which he then sent Jesus to save us from the drowning.

    If God is Jesus – the same being – and he wanted to save us from the drowning why not just stop the drowning?

  • I see you take history lessons from militantly atheist feeder sites.

    Why not read some real history books, or real quotes from Hitler such as “Hitler’s Table Talk”? You didn’t even read your own quotes, as your quote

    “Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.”

    is in fact an INDICTMENT of Christianity, by Adolf Hitler. And it in fact shows us how Hitler in fact preferred the heathen religions over Christianity.

    So you debunked yourself with regard to Hitler, who may have been agnostic but certainly no Christian. That’s what you get with sloppy reading and not willing to learn.

    Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao, of course, were even more easily identifiable as atheistic and the fact that you bring up Stalin ONCE BEING A SEMINARY BOY shows how pathetic it is. For no-one denies that. The point is that he dropped out of seminary and pursued a Communist political ideal and that the Russian Revolution cracked down very hard on churches; Russia’s church is still recovering from it.

  • Max: “All of Hitler’s SS guards were confessing CATHOLICS!”

    This is nonsense, as anyone who would simply read a book about this or google for a few minutes would easily find out.

  • Max just read what you wrote- that’s a dialogue and since I am not a theologian, as you can tell, I go back to the beginning. We were made in the image and likeness of God and in the beginning we did not choose evil, it was when evil was presented to the first humans that a choice was made. If one believes in Angels, which I do, then they too had free choice and some choose “not to serve their creator. It takes humility to believe in God and you can’t have just a little humility once in awhile. It has to be all or nothing. The gift of faith is a gift and the “saving” is on going, we didn’t need the action of Jesus coming to save us when our first parents did not sin. We always needed Jesus and it says in scripture that God walked with Adam and Eve in the garden as Genesis points out. Free choice is a great gift. When religion becomes forced is not the way God seeks us but man interfering with a God who is very merciful. Only God can be merciful and just at the same time. We can not be both, we either seek justice or mercy. God invites us to walk with him, to be with him, but he will not force us to seek his mercy or to believe in him. I do not claim to understand all these topics but I do know God is real and that Jesus is alive. To live in Christ means to have a living encounter with him. I have had the gift of faith handed down to me by my parents, I have friends who have had to search because they did not believe in God and it was a very painful time in their lives to group in the darkness of non belief and yet keep searching for truth. Some are still searching or have giving up the pursuit of asking questions like, Why is there suffering, why do the wicked get away with evil and inflict it on other, Why is there evil? What is the meaning of life? and how did all this nature get here in the first place?
    What makes a rabbit be a rabbit and a deer a deer? Why does nature become violent and kill thousands of people in tsunamis, earthquakes etc Why do some people become selfish and care for only themselves and things instead of life, their families, the poor and the lonely. Life is a mystery to be lived and if we all treated others with compassion, mercy and kindness– Our world would be a better place.
    Hope to meet you one day in heaven Max…and I’ll be counting on God’s mercy on the day of judgment but I’ll also now go to his mom- cause I need all the help I can get. The woman at the foot of the cross was given to us when Jesus was gasping for breath as he tried to say the words– This is your mother, Mother this is your son– she became not just John’s mother but our mother.

  • “if we all treated others with compassion, mercy and kindness– Our world would be a better place”

    Which is why I am against religion.

  • @TONY,

    This is high school level stuff: Hitler’s Concordat with the Vatican of 1933 was the first peace treaty Hitler signed.

    For The Nazi SS – any LACK of belief or Atheism was outlawed.
    The SS is a shortened name for the “Knights of the Holy See” is a Roman Catholic spiritual and military order first formed in 1933 based completely upon the Jesuit order structure upon the signing of the “sacred” Reich Concordat specifically through the application of Articles 1,12,15,21 and 33 with the enaction of Clause (c) of the “Secret Supplement” of the Concordat between Franz von Papen (on behalf of Nazi Germany) and Cardinal Eugenio Pacelli (Pope Pius XII).

    MOST of the SS guards were confessing Catholics.
    The SS was a Catholic Jesuit Organization.

  • @TONY,

    I don’t know how much evidence you are ready to refute. It seems everything about your religion outlaws fact and supports superstition.

    It seems to not matter to you that Hitler outlawed Atheism and agnositicm. That the Nazi SS was a Jesuit Catholic order. Or that church bells celebrated Hitler’s birthday every April – even into the war!

    The Czar is a religious russian post of intermediary with God. Stalin seized it. According to Stalin, Lysenko’s miracles confirmed that Stalin was worthy of a religious position. How is that “Atheism”?

    Today, Stalin is a saint in the Russian Orthodox Church and there are Icons of him with halos in most churches there. How is that Atheism?

    The fact that Stalin’s own beliefs wobbled from Christian to Agnostic and back again at the end of his life is not the important point.
    The population was fully credulous, gullible and infected with superstition and religion thanks to the early spread of the Orthodox Church.

    An uneducated, gullible, credulous, superstitious population soaked in the nonsense of religion – is the most vulnerable to dictatorship.
    Shame on those who preach what cannot be shown to be true.

  • Dear Noel,

    You said, “read what you wrote- that’s a dialogue, since I am not a theologian….”

    The Bible does not come with an instruction manual.
    The Bible claims TO BE the instruction manual.

    When Jesus says, “Execute them”
    there is no rule that says there is “wrong” way to interpret that.

    If 2000 years of Christian history tells us anything, it proves the Bible can mean absolutely anything you want it to mean – and no matter what you decide – God is on your side.

  • “We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands. We will for ever destroy because we need a world of our own…”

    – Maurice Samuels, You Gentiles. 1942.

    The Jew: Commissary to the Gentiles

    The First to See the Possibilities of War by Propaganda

    Jewish site:

    http://come-and-hear.com/download.html#flyers

    Find out about the

    Jewish People

    * their laws * their culture * their religion

    http://come-and-hear.com/editor/critwords_1.html

    The Roadmap — Let the Rabbis tell us about the Talmud. Why is this fundamental book of Judaism unknown to most Americans?

    One of the first steps in any subject is learning the key words that are used to describe the subject. For a newcomer to the Talmud, this may be difficult. Most of the words come from a non-European language written in non-Roman script. The English transliteration often varies from writer to writer. The definitions of key terms are not always constant in the mind of the speaker. But most difficult of all, the Talmudists do not use Aristotelian/Baconian forms of logic. To the Talmudist, a proposition may be simultaneously true and false; the Word of God may be the collective opinions of the Pharisee Sages, even when they disagree; and the nature of the Messiah may be, “without metaphor, the Jewish people.” (24)

    http://www.Come-and-Hear.com

    Dedicated to increased inter-faith understanding

    Jewish law — the law laid down in the historic Jewish holy book, the Talmud — is being integrated into American law and society. What are the Jewish teachings on the burning issues of the day? Don’t listen to ignorant second-hand reports. Read important sections of the Talmud in context and on-line at

    http://www.Come-and-Hear.com

    What are the Talmud doctrines about marriage and divorce? Child-adult sex? The death penalty? How does Jewish law treat Gentiles? Learn about the rabbi-designed religion that all peoples of the Earth will soon be following, and learn about the rituals we can expect to see when Israel builds the Third Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

    Help bring about inter-faith understanding. Come-and-Hear.com is easy to download,

    ready for copying to CD’s for broad distribution to people of good will.

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    New America

    2. Sex with Children by Talmud Rules

    We are told there is a movement afoot to make pederasty (child-adult sex) socially acceptable and legally permissible. Researching the issue, we find that many dominant voices on both sides of the controversy are Jewish.

    How is this possible? Which voices speak for the core values of Judaism? Our questions are not prompted by idle curiosity, but by social concern. America is rapidly becoming Talmudized, and we should understand the direction in which our social policies are moving.

    Let us start with an article in the Washington Times, a major newspaper that espouses conservative Christian values. The Times provides a useful starting point because they name names. Let us borrow the Times’ viewpoint

    On left side of site in narrow columns, as follows and plenty more:

    “Orthodox Rabbi Daniel Lapin, author of America’s Real War and director of Toward Tradition, presents himself as a Jewish “good guy” to conservative Christian audiences. He is a favored speaker with Concerned Women for America (CWA), the Christian Coalition, and similar groups. Those groups condemn homosexuality and child-adult sex.

    “For over three thousand years Jewish tradition and Jewish law have been unambiguous about homosexuality: it is a sin,” (9) states Rabbi Lapin. However, Rabbi Lapin fails to quote the Talmud law, which makes it clear that male homosexuality is not an offense if the adult man uses a boy below the age of nine years and a day. Homosexuality is only a capital offense when committed between consenting adult males. Talmud law also authorizes adult men to have sexual intercourse with girls three years old and younger.”

    Some Question the Talmud

    While many praise the Talmud, many have questions about it. The late American Protestant writer Elizabeth Kirkpatrick Dilling, author of The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today, (31) is one of those. (Ellipsis indicates omitted text.)

    The Babylonian Talmud is the law for so-called Judaism. However, its pornographic, anti-Gentile and anti-Christian doctrines have often caused hostility against it. …

    The Bible under Talmudic Judaism is considered to be a collection of simple tales fit only for fools, women and children. The Talmud “sages” thus must find new meanings in it by letter and number tricks which reverse the plain meaning and create out of it the permission to do otherwise forbidden crimes and misdeeds. The words of the Bible are continually misused and misquoted for purposes of blasphemy and reversal.

    Stealing for themselves the title of “Israelites,” the Talmud “sages” teach that “God made a covenant with Israel only for the sake of that which was transmitted orally.” (See Exhibit 60) And the Biblical “basis” of this is given as Exodus 34:27. But that verse states, instead: “And the Lord said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel” — the opposite! (Talmud, Gittin 60b, See Exhibit 204) The Talmudic reversal of Moses’ written words are said to have been transmitted “orally,” and through Moses himself — believe it or not!

    The Battle of Joshua with Amalekites by Poussin (17)

    “The Torah commanded the total eradication — including woman and children — of certain nations (Amalek being a singular illustration) because of the continuing threat its members presented to the survival of Israel. When there is no other deterrent, self-defense entitles one to take measures that are ordinarily unacceptable.” — Washington lawyer Nathan Lewin (8). (Amalek means Gentile)

    America Is Rapidly Becoming Talmudized

    In 1991, the US Congress declared the Talmudic Noahide Laws to be the basis “upon which our great Nation was founded” (see America’s New Government Church). Under Noahide Law regulations, idolaters (which includes Christians by definition) are put to death.

    In 1999, the Supreme Court agreed to consider an amicus brief based wholly on Talmudic law (see Sentence and Execution).

    In November 2002, the American Orthodox Jewish community held a kosher dinner in the Supreme Court building to celebrate the establishment of the National Institute for Judaic Law. (22) The dinner was attended by 200 people, including three Supreme Court Justices. The purpose of the Institute is to introduce Talmudic laws into the US legal system and law schools.

    It is thus the clear civic duty of every American to become intimately acquainted with the Talmud. Read articles at:

    America’s New Government Church: http://www.come-and-

    hear.com/editor/america_1.html

    Death Penalty: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/capunish_1.html

    Kosher Dinner: http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jp-11-09-2002 and http://www.come-and-hear.com/editor/cp-jw-01-08-03

    http://come-and-hear.com/editor/america_1.html

    “The Jews have the 613 commandments of the Torah to observe. Non-Jews have the Noahide commandments, included within which are prohibitions against idolatry, theft, murder, adultery and incest, cruelty to animals, blasphemy and the responsibility to establish and maintain courts of justice in a just society.”

    Just a few revolting things from the Babylonian Talmud that’s nothing compared to some of the other stuff, and what they really thing of us so called Gentiles. I haven’t sited the paedophilia part – look for yourself.

    Jewish Harems in Talmud Law — Though a medieval synod discouraged polygamy because it upset Christians, some still do it in Israel. The Word of God in the Talmud provides laws for handling a harem. Up to 48 wives are permitted, perhaps.

    Appendix A: The Jewish Encyclopedia on Polygamy

    Appendix B: Polygamy and the Slave Hagar

    • Talmud Daughters Become Talmud Wives — Under Talmud law, the acquisition of a wife is much like the acquisition of any other property. Curiously, in 50 years of feminism, none of our Jewish feminists have made an issue of the sexual inequalities in the Talmud.

    from The Plot Against Christianity

    by Elizabeth Dilling

    http://come-and-hear.com/dilling/whois.html

    In the Museum of the Revolution we were shown a huge world map. As our Guide turned a switch, lights came on indicating the places all over the world where Communist Party headquarters were then functioning. Proudly our Guide announced: “Our world revolution will start with China and end with the UNITED STATES”.

    “America Under the Talmud: Will It Work for US?”

    http://come-and-hear.com/editor/index.html

    http://come-and-hear.com/editor/br_1.html#n8

    9/11 and Wacko

    http://public-action.com/rescue.html#adl-fbi-partners

    In the Talmud:

    Christians to be Harmed Indirectly

    1. By not helping them 
2. By interfering in their work 
3. By deceit in legal matters 
4. By harming them in things necessary for life

    Art. 2. Christians to be Harmed Directly

    1. Renegades to be killed 
2. Apostates 
3. Princes especially the Prince of Rome (the Pope) to be exterminated 
4. All Christians to be killed 
5. Killing a Christian is an acceptable sacrifice to God 
6. Heaven promised to those who kill Christians 
7. A Christian may be beheaded on the most solemn festivals 
8. The Messiah expected will be revengeful 
9. Jewish prayers against Christians 
10. Christian prayers for the Jews

  • ‪Jewish Revolutionary Spirit & Its Impact on World History‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w5eLDVf4QY

    The Secret Behind Communism‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrieUdYe_e8

    “Everything is a rich man’s trick” – JFK (true Hebrew killed by fake Hebrews)

    Dialectics – Materialism

    Communist Instrument for World Conquest

    http://www.alor.org/Library/Butler%20ED%20-%20Dialectics.htm

    NY Times – 1914: Zionist Leader Called for World Conquest

    http://www.tomatobubble.com/id899.html

    The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion Explained

    http://www.threeworldwars.com/protocols.htm

    The Mossad

    “Ha Mossad, le Modiyn ve le Tafkidim Mayuhadim” [the Institute for Intelligence and Special Operations]

    Its motto is: ‘By way of deception, thou shalt do war.

    “When a Jew, in America or in South Africa, talks to his Jewish companions about ‘our’ government, he means the government of Israel.”

    – David Ben-Gurion, Israeli Prime Minister

    “Is not war already a revolutionary function? War? The Commune (1870). Since that time every war was a giant step towards Communism.”

    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/2007/bezmenov.htm

    “Everything is a rich man’s trick” – JFK

    – “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

    ― Vladimir Ilich Lenin (this is happening in Western politics today – different wings of the same bird)

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_communism

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/10/liberal-bias-in-academia-will-being-self-conscious-about-it-help/

    The Anti-Catholic, Nahum Goldmann

    “I hardly exaggerate. Jewish life consists of two elements: Extracting money and protesting.” -Nahum Goldmann, Ex-President of the World Jewish Congress (WJC) in his book “The Jewish Paradox”, athenäum, Frankfurt 1988, p. 77 – Nahum Goldmann

    “When a Jew, in America or in South Africa, talks to his Jewish companions about ‘our’ government, he means the government of Israel.”

    – David Ben-Gurion, Israeli Prime Minister

    Title: Jewish Congress

    Caption: “Let the Goyim believe that we can be Americans, Englishmen, Germans, or French. When our interests are at stake, we are always Jews, and nothing but.”

    July 1934 (Issue #34)

    “Our race is the Master Race. We Jews are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves.”

    — Menachem Begin, Israeli Prime Minister, 1977-1983

    – “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.”

    ― Vladimir Ilich Lenin (this is happening in Western politics today – different wings of the same bird)

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_communism

    http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2015/10/liberal-bias-in-academia-will-being-self-conscious-about-it-help/

    http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Jewish_communism

    http://www.aim.org/aim-column/communist-defector-speaks-out-on-americas-marxist-future/

    Ex KGB agent speaks about Commie brainwashing

    http://www.crossroad.to/Quotes/brainwashing/2007/bezmenov.htm

    ‪‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

  • http://trutube.tv/video/16312/Ezra-Pound-Canto-XLV-With-Usura

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Pound

    Outraged by the carnage of World War I, Pound lost faith in England and blamed the war on usury and international capitalism. He moved to Italy in 1924, and throughout the 1930s and 1940s he embraced Benito Mussolini’s Italian Fascism, expressed support for Adolf Hitler, and wrote for publications owned by British fascist Oswald Mosley. During World War II he was paid by the Italian government to make hundreds of radio broadcasts criticizing the United States, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Jews, as a result of which he was arrested by American forces in Italy in 1945 on charges of treason, after which he spent months in detention in a U.S. military camp in Pisa, including three weeks in a six-by-six-foot outdoor steel cage that he said triggered a mental breakdown, “when the raft broke and the waters went over me”. Deemed unfit to stand trial, he was incarcerated in St. Elizabeths psychiatric hospital in Washington, D.C., for over 12 years.[2]

    http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/wars/nameless/intro.shtml

    THE NAMELESS WAR

    This book, first published in 1952 is a small (5′ X 7′) format, of only 120 pages. One of the ‘little gems’ that has been suppressed and gives us a side of history that has NEVER been included in the history books for all to see. Captain Ramsay, WWI veteran, former member of His Majesty’s Scottish Guard, and finally a Member of Parliament, was arrested and imprisoned for nearly three years under an Orwellian law in England, without formal charges or a trial, because he had discovered and was attempting to expose the orchestrators of WWII.

    In this book he gives us details of the British, French, Russian and foiled (thanks to Mussolini and Hitler) Spanish Revolutions, proving that the same ‘unseen hand’ was behind, under, over, and around all of the unrest and bloodshed throughout the centuries, in lockstep with their Plan for World Dominion. When he began naming the perpetrators, that was it: off to prison went this Member of Parliament who had evidently been held in high enough esteem to have been in H.M. Guard. When the war ended, he was released from Brixton Prison and allowed to return to his seat in Parliament as though nothing had happened.

    PROLOGUE

    Edward I banished the Jews from England for many grave offences endangering the welfare of his realm and lieges, which were to a great extent indicated in the Statutes of Jewry*, enacted by his Parliament in 1290, the Commons playing a prominent part.

    * See Appendix 2 (Appendices follow the last chapter)

    The King of France very shortly followed suit, as did other Rulers in Christian Europe. So grave did the situation for the Jews in Europe become, that an urgent appeal for help and advice was addressed by them to the Sanhedrin, then located at Constantinople.

    This appeal was sent over the signature of Chemor, Rabbi of Arles in Provence, on the 13th January, 1489. The reply came in November, 1489, which was issued over the signature of V.S.S. V.F.F. Prince of the Jews.

    It advised the Jews of Europe to adopt the tactics of the Trojan Horse; to make their sons Christian priests, lawyers, doctors, etc., and work to destroy the Christian structure from within.

    “Captain Ramsay, a Christian gentleman of unflagging courage, believed that the war with Germany was not conceived in the interests of Britain and could lead only to the extension of Communist and Jewish power. Because he warned his fellow countrymen of the forces at work, he was put in prison without trial for four and a half years, for ‘reasons’ so preposterous that those who framed them dared not submit them to a court of law.” Truth

    “For years Captain Ramsay had been a member of the British Parliament. His book is an analysis of the Jewish-Zionist war against Christian civilization.” The Cross and the Flag

  • http://famguardian.org/Publications/GreatIRSHoax/GreatIRSHoax.htm

    http://www.libertyzone.com/Communist-Manifesto-Planks.html

    ARE Americans practicing Communism?

    Read the 10 Planks of The Communist Manifesto to discover the truth and learn how to know your enemy…

    Karl Marx describes in his communist manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state. Those ten steps are known as the Ten Planks of The Communist Manifesto… The following brief presents the original ten planks within the Communist Manifesto written by Karl Marx in 1848, along with the American adopted counterpart for each of the planks. From comparison it’s clear MOST Americans have by myths, fraud and deception under the color of law by their own politicians in both the Republican and Democratic and parties, been transformed into Communists.

    Another thing to remember, Karl Marx in creating the Communist Manifesto designed these planks AS A TEST to determine whether a society has become communist or not. If they are all in effect and in force, then the people ARE practicing communists.

    Communism, by any other name is still communism, and is VERY VERY destructive to the individual and to the society!!

    The 10 PLANKS stated in the Communist Manifesto and some of their American counterparts are…

    1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rents of land to public purposes.

    Americans do these with actions such as the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management (Zoning laws are the first step to government property ownership)

    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

    Americans know this as misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State “income” taxes. We call it “paying your fair share”.

    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

    Americans call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.

    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

    Americans call it government seizures, tax liens, Public “law” 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of “terrorists” and those who speak out or write against the “government” (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process. Asset forfeiture laws are used by DEA, IRS, ATF etc…).

    5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.

    Americans call it the Federal Reserve which is a privately-owned credit/debt system allowed by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC) another privately-owned corporation. The Federal Reserve Banks issue Fiat Paper Money and practice economically destructive fractional reserve banking.

    6. Centralization of the means of communications and transportation in the hands of the State.

    Americans call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) mandated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver’s licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.

    7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

    Americans call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture… Thus read “controlled or subsidized” rather than “owned”… This is easily seen in these as well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.

    8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

    Americans call it Minimum Wage and slave labor like dealing with our Most Favored Nation trade partner; i.e. Communist China. We see it in practice via the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two “income” family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920’s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.

    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country.

    Americans call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public “law” 89-136. These provide for forced relocations and forced sterilization programs, like in China.

    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production.

    Americans are being taxed to support what we call ‘public’ schools, but are actually “government force-tax-funded schools ” Even private schools are government regulated. The purpose is to train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based “Education” . These are used so that all children can be indoctrinated and inculcated with the government propaganda, like “majority rules”, and “pay your fair share”. WHERE are the words “fair share” in the Constitution, Bill of Rights or the Internal Revenue Code (Title 26)?? NO WHERE is “fair share” even suggested !! The philosophical concept of “fair share” comes from the Communist maxim, “From each according to their ability, to each according to their need! This concept is pure socialism. … America was made the greatest society by its private initiative WORK ETHIC … Teaching ourselves and others how to “fish” to be self sufficient and produce plenty of EXTRA commodities to if so desired could be shared with others who might be “needy”… Americans have always voluntarily been the MOST generous and charitable society on the planet.

    Do changing words, change the end result? … By using different words, is it all of a sudden OK to ignore or violate the provisions or intent of the Constitution of the united States of America?????

    The people (politicians) who believe in the SOCIALISTIC and COMMUNISTIC concepts, especially those who pass more and more laws implementing these slavery ideas, are traitors to their oath of office and to the Constitution of the united States of America… KNOW YOUR ENEMY …Remove the enemy from within and from among us.

    VOTE LIBERTARIAN, the only political party in America that still firmly supports and diligently abides by the Constitution of the united States of America.

    None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free….

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  • ‪ ‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬THE VISION OF POPE LEO XIII: SATAN’S CENTURY‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_RGaFxdos8

    St. Maximilian Kolbe exposes the Jewish Talmud‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lte-Qgwa8h8

    Prophecies Already Fulfilled:

    The Four Chastisements

    http://www.fatima.org/essentials/message/ww11chastise.asp

    ‪PADRE PIO: “THE ANGEL OF DESTRUCTION”‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzAsrgK7LQ

    Our Lady speaks about the devils final battle‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qkHmKVQteo

    End of Times Prophecy of St Francis of Assisi‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUO23cXRleA

    ‪End Times: Prophecy of St. Nilus‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcOEhyJBWFc

    ‪Prophecies and Warnings from the Virgin Mary to Fr. Gobbi the First Sign Confusion‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMkMtERXZiQ

    ‪PROPHECY AND MESSAGE FROM OUR LADY OF LA SALETTE‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFrRlc5tNZM

    ‪PROPHECY AND MESSAGE FROM OUR LADY OF LA SALETTE part 2‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nH5Vl0iAII

    http://www.churchinhistory.org/pages/leaflets/melanie.htm

    ART Bell Show With Father Malachi Martin “Perfect Possession”‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK3J3be1om8

    “Indeed, the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries, nor innovators: they are traditionalists.” Pope St. Pius X

    This is such a beautiful film where Alex Guiness, a Catholic convert plays the pope. St Francis tried to convert the Muslim emperor guy Suliman I think during the Crusades

    If You Want Your Dream To Be … [brother sun, sister moon]‬‬ (film on St Francis)‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKFbB_kqpDI

    ‪The Prophecies of Blessed Elizabeth Canori Mora (On the Crisis, Chastisement and Triumph)‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg8W9r_cdmc

    ‪Prophecy of Blessed Catherine Emmerich on the Two Popes‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv4H2E86B9s

    ‪Blessed Virgin Mary’s Apparitions and Prophecies in Amsterdam‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acu4Z_Ux-QU

    ‪PROPHECY CONCERNING FRANCE AND ENGLAND‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Tpl8I9bQc

    ‪ST HILDEGARD: “THE UNITED STATES WILL BE DIVIDED AND SUBMERGED”‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNQA7ArA3IA

    The Enthronement of Lucifer in the Vatican (Bp Williamson, Bp Fellay, Fr Malachi Martin, Fr Amorth)‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHyY0PV2iVU

    ‪St. Michael the Archangel‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL58g24NgWPIzvBk2IQVES_xC4WTm6-CDI&v=4LDLzGVeunE

    Words straight from Saint Michael‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n2giWjdiVI

    ‪The Story of Michael – True Story‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Dh1Aw1GJiQ

    ‪Prayer to our Guardian Angel, Queen of Angels. Protection & Strength…‬‬‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_sUUEp9LW4

    restart at 53:07

    ‪The Litany of the Saints‬‬

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb23Z5X3uhA

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