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Gay Mormon rocker no longer singing praises for his faith

Screen shot from the video of Tyler Glenn's new song "Trash"

We’ve lost another one.

Returned missionary and nationally known musician Tyler Glenn of the band Neon Trees shocked many yesterday with the release of his new solo song “Trash,” in which he seems to make a definitive break with his Mormon faith.

The video, which you can watch here, shows Glenn:

  • Drinking alcohol,*
  • Spitting on a picture of Joseph Smith (whose image has been caricatured), and
  • Making hand gestures that appear to be reminiscent of the temple ceremony.

Glenn speaks of losing himself, of losing his identity, in a religion that has tried to suppress him. This religion would sell his soul if given half a chance; it keeps throwing him out, again and again, telling him he is worthless.

But “one man’s trash is another man’s treasure,” he concludes.  And to those who would exclude him, “Maybe I’ll see you in hell.”

The video is fascinating—all enclosed spaces, all confining. It’s initially shot in a dark hallway decorated with portraits of the founding prophet, and then in an ornately decorated elevator where the walls appear closed in and the camera bears down on him.

The Mormon religion, it seems to say, is claustrophobic—and since the video ends with Tyler Glenn’s mock death, apparently fatal.

To say that it’s a departure from his previous approach to Mormonism is an understatement. Here’s what he told Rolling Stone in 2014, around the time of his coming out, about the tension between being Mormon and being gay:

“I don’t know what the rumors are, but we’re not taught that ‘homos are going to hell’ on Sunday in church. Mostly it’s just about Christ and his teachings.”

And here’s what he told the same magazine in an interview published yesterday to accompany the video’s release:

“My entire life and perspective on God, the afterlife, morals and values, my self-worth and my born sexual orientation has been wired within the framework of this religion that doesn’t have a place for me.

I served [this church]. I was the square peg trying to fit into the round hole. I believed it till six months ago.”

The “gut punch” that catalyzed his faith crisis was the LGBT policy that was leaked in November, he told Fox News. Prior to that, he had “naively thought” Mormonism had a place for him, only to discover in November that the faith would not, in reality, make room for LGBT people.

Mormons are reacting intensely to the song and to his dramatic departure (Glenn says he has not resigned from the church, but he has lost all faith in it). Much of this is predictable Mormon “OMGosh he defiled the holy temple” indignation, but some is impassioned cheering from people feeling similar anger and betrayal about the LDS Church’s position.

Personally, the only thing in the video that struck a false note with me was Glenn spitting on a picture of Joseph Smith, as if Smith were the ultimate representation of what the contemporary, corporate LDS Church is doing. I think, in contrast, that if Brother Joseph were around to see how the Church has treated some of God’s gay sons and daughters he would be spitting too.

One more thought on the video. I’ve heard Nadia Bolz-Weber, who knows a thing or two about pain, say we should preach from our scars, not our wounds. In general, I agree with this. There can be great wisdom in allowing creativity to be fueled by our eventual healing, not by our immediate circumstances of anger or loss.

But sometimes waiting is difficult, because the pain is so very raw, and the need for solidarity so acute. I see Tyler Glenn’s video as less of a rant and more of a plea to be seen, to be known. He wants his pain to be witnessed.

And isn’t this, in the end, what we all need? A recognition that any pain that has been unjustly meted out to us was real?

It’s no accident that toward the end of the video, Glenn paints a diagonal cross on his forehead and writhes on the floor with his arms outstretched in an almost cruciform position: See here, Thomas, where I bleed from my side, my hands. See and believe.

In the gospels, the acknowledgment of suffering and the hope of resurrection occur hand in hand. Latter-day Saints cannot live as a resurrection people unless and until we squarely acknowledge that we have been wrong and we have done damage.

Tyler Glenn doesn’t need Mormons’ moral outrage about his video. He certainly doesn’t need any more people sitting in judgment on his life.

He needs Mormons to recognize that he suffered terrible pain in our church, to repent that we contributed to that suffering, and to vow: Never again will we treat a group of people as if they were disposable.


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Correction 5/2/16: An earlier version of this post said that Tyler Glenn was drinking beer in the video. Several readers have pointed out that it was more likely wine.

 

About the author

Jana Riess

Senior columnist Jana Riess is the author of many books, including "The Prayer Wheel" (Random House/Convergent, 2018) and "The Next Mormons: How Millennials Are Changing the LDS Church" (Oxford University Press, 2019). She has a PhD in American religious history from Columbia University.

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  • The pain of a faith crisis is physical, mental, and emotional. This is such a poignant music video. As a Mormon mother who has watched her beloved gay sons writhe in agony because of religion, I can relate.

  • @Jana. Two questions. 1. Where are you seeing this “intense reaction” from Mormons? I mostly just see people supporting Tyler and sharing their anger against the Church. 2. I agree that we should react to Tyler with compassion (that’s how I felt after watching the video…so much pain). But, is there something important about acknowledging the desecration of the temple symbols? It seems like you dismiss that pretty quickly. If we do so, aren’t we suggesting that they don’t ultimately matter and that human pain is more important than the sacred? I’m not dismissing his pain, but I’m not sure you should minimizing the pain others feel by having something they hold sacred desecrated. It’s complicated.

  • “He needs Mormons to recognize that he suffered terrible pain in our church, to repent that we contributed to that suffering . . .”

    Your statement is rather arrogant. I think his song and video express that he doesn’t need Mormons at all. This is the first single in a yet-to-be-released album. This song “expresses” (he’s not preaching anything) his pain and anger which are the starting point for a healing process when a person discovers that he has been so intimately betrayed. I admire his artistic decision to begin here not only because the emotion is realistic, but because he is starting at the beginning chronologically as well by addressing Joseph Smith directly who has been whitewashed (thus the altered portrait) by the leaders of the church.

  • “I’m not dismissing his pain, but I’m not sure you should minimizing the pain others feel by having something they hold sacred desecrated. It’s complicated.”

    Now if only the church could understand that this works both ways– taking our sexuality, our ability to love, our ability to relate to and share a life with another human being– and desecrating it and turning it into something dirty, shameful, perverse, sick, and unholy, something to be hidden, repented of, repudiated, lied about, a severe problem to be fixed whatever means possible, no matter how harmful, instead of something to be celebrated.

    It is indeed complicated.

  • I’m sorry that you and your sons have gone through this. I hope that they have found the way out of the darkness and into the light.

  • That’s a fair perspective Ben. The culture and institution have a lot of work to do. I’m not dismissing that.

  • Joseph Smith was altered and spit on, not for the new anti gay policy, but
    because Tyler believes he was a charlatan and a fraud and he built his church on lies (and evidence strongly supports this). He learned these things after he gave up avoiding the so-called anti-Mormon information when the policy was made public. Listen to his Mormon Stories podcast, the LGBT policy isn’t the only thing he’s pissed about. Also, I’m pretty sure that was an X on his face, not a cross, probably representing that the church believe LGBT people should be ex-communicated if they dare to love and marry.

  • She blames the Church and their insistence on chastity for his open apostasy and willful desecration of LDS symbols and holy rites. So Smith would be spitting at Thomas S. Monson if he were here today? She attacked the Church by calling it corporate, something anti-Mormons love to do. Ms. Riess has shown yet again her animosity towards the faith she claims she loves. Like many leftists she strives to make God in her own image and criticizes the Restored Truth that it is the other way around.

  • Jenna, let’s cease beating around the bush. Just openly express your honest opinion. The LDS Church is wrong on homosexuality. You must believe that. Admit that you long for a revelation to say gender and sexual orientation doesn’t matter. Do you want the LDS Church to fully embrace same-sex couples? Would you like same-sex sealing to be performed in the temple? Should women have the priesthood?

    Of course these things will not happen. Yes, policies and practices are tweaked here and there. Some are subtle and require little to no explanation. Some are very important and the full force of Apostolic revelation and confirmation are employed. However you and your Progressive allies go too far. You seek to change the Church and it’s doctrines and to me that’s scary. It should be the other way around. But politics is first for you. You should mourn for this man and his loss of faith. Instead you ridicule the faithful who are rightly offended by a sacreligious apostate. If I go through your articles how often will I find you standing with the Church and how often will I find you standing with those that are against the it?

  • Mr. Glenn didn’t “lose his religion,” he freed himself from an oppressive cult with an improper political agenda.

  • Wrong. No one cares what the doctrines of this Dominant Corporation are, as long as the Dominant Corporation stops trying to force its doctrine onto others by violating the Law. In the most notorious anti-gay Hate Vote of all, the 2008 California H8te Vote that actually took away the established right LGBT Californians had to legal marriage, we saw that anti-gays cheated to throw the vote. The federal judge who revoked the H8te Vote had in his possession an email written by Catholic bishops to Mormon leaders in which they both agreed to violate California campaign finance laws to throw the H8te Vote by making secret, illegal cash and in-kind contributions to the H8te Vote. The email serves as proof positive they knew they were breaking the law; the email itself is an act of criminal collusion. We know the Mormons made the Hate Videos shown on TV, but they refused to report these in-kind contributions as required by law. We know Mormons were told by their leaders to make large, secret contributions to the H8te Vote under pain of excommunication, and we know Mormons sent their church members from out of state. Mormon leaders were required by California law to report these contributions, but they refused. We know Mormons operated secret, illegal call centers in Idaho and Utah from which they made deceptive calls, because a million Californians reported these deceptive calls where anti-gays claimed a “yes” vote would support marriage equality. Here is documentation about that email:

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/01/documents-show-close-links-between-prop-8-campaign-and-mormon-catholic-churches.html#comments

  • Incorrect. No one cares what the doctrines of this Dominant Corporation are, as long as the Dominant Corporation stops trying to force its doctrine onto others by violating the Law. In the most notorious anti-gay Hate Vote of all, the 2008 California H8te Vote that actually took away the established right LGBT Californians had to legal marriage, we saw that anti-gays cheated to throw the vote. The federal judge who revoked the H8te Vote had in his possession an email written by Catholic bishops to Mormon leaders in which they both agreed to violate California campaign finance laws to throw the H8te Vote by making secret, illegal cash and in-kind contributions to the H8te Vote. The email serves as proof positive they knew they were breaking the law; the email itself is an act of criminal collusion. We know the Mormons made the Hate Videos shown on TV, but they refused to report these in-kind contributions as required by law. We know Mormons were told by their leaders to make large, secret contributions to the H8te Vote under pain of excommunication, and we know Mormons sent their church members from out of state. Mormon leaders were required by California law to report these contributions, but they refused. We know Mormons operated secret, illegal call centers in Idaho and Utah from which they made deceptive calls, because a million Californians reported these deceptive calls where anti-gays claimed a “yes” vote would support marriage equality.

  • Here is documentation about that email:

    latimesblogs dot latimes dot com/lanow/2010/01/documents-show-close-links-between-prop-8-campaign-and-mormon-catholic-churches dot html#comments

    The email was included in the evidence the US Supreme Court reviewed before that Court affirmed the revocation of the 2008 California anti-gay H8te Vote. Clearly, the criminal acts committed by Mormons and other anti-gays failed.

  • Thanks. I wasn’t thinking you were dismissing it. ?

    But it is a point that is frequently ignored by the sin and sex obsessed. I long ago came to believe, and have seen little to contradict this viewpoint, that an ancient, vicious, and durable prejudice has long been given the thinnest veneer of respectability by calling it “sincere religious belief.” Yet this so called sin is treated very differently by the church than any other sin.

  • …”So it was with me. I had actually seen a light, and in the midst of that light I saw two Personages, and they did in reality speak to me; and though I was hated and persecuted for saying that I had seen a vision, yet it was true; and while they were persecuting me, reviling me, and speaking all manner of evil against me falsely for so saying, I was led to say in my heart: Why persecute me for telling the truth? I have actually seen a vision; and who am I that I can withstand God, or why does the world think to make me deny what I have actually seen? For I had seen a vision; I knew it, and I knew that God knew it, and I could not deny it, neither dared I do it; at least I knew that by so doing I would offend God, and come under condemnation.”

  • He was as real a Mormon as anybody; he just didn’t fit the mold. But ultimately, he found that he couldn’t be both actively gay and actively Mormon at the same time. It’s a hard lesson to learn. I feel for him.

  • Sounds like this guy is simply into himSELF. He never really was a Mormon. Check his history. It’s another stunt to gain a little publicity. Simple as that.

  • As a gay, inactive Mormon, who hasn’t been to church in decades, but who has a strong and loving relationship with my Mormon family, I really can’t relate. This attitude toward religion simply baffles me.

  • If you are a Mormon, it should probably matter to you that he is leaving the faith. And it doesn’t really seem like it matters to you that much. He did serve a two-year mission at one time, after all. Doesn’t get much more Mormon than that, in my book!

  • I have a lot of friends who are gay.

    Some are Mormon and active. Some are even happily married to members of the opposite sex and sealed. They are happy and have fulfillment in their family and even their sex lives. Other are individuals who are no longer Mormon, but don’t really take offense to the Mormon faith — they just don’t believe it anymore and have the attitude that “we can call be friends.” Other homosexual friends are “never Mormons” — but are at least respectful of each other’s differences.

    There is no need for this type of hate, period, done, and end of story. The Church does not hate Tyler, so why does he hate the Church?

    “We claim the privilege of worshiping almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how where or what they may.”

    The Church clearly does not hate Tyler for being homosexual and choosing to live a gay lifestyle, so why the retaliation against the Church? Why the hate? It is unjustified, Jilly. I understand pain — we all do. None is exempt from pain in this life. I even understand faith crisis too. But, hate? It is ugly and ALWAYS unjustified. Period.

  • What hate?

    “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints acknowledges that same-sex attraction is a sensitive issue which requires kindness, compassion, and understanding. The website “Love One Another: A Discussion on Same-Sex Attraction” strives to address, through interviews and videos from Church leaders and members, the issue of same-sex attraction as it relates to individuals and affected family members. The statements and stories emphasize the importance of Christ’s commandment to love one another and reaffirm the Church’s position.

    The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints affirms the centrality of doctrines relating to human sexuality and gender as well as the sanctity and significance of marriage as the union of a man and a woman.2 However, the Church firmly believes that all people are equally beloved children of God and deserve to be treated with love and respect. Church apostle Elder Quentin L. Cook stated, “As a church, nobody should be more loving and compassionate. Let us be at the forefront in terms of expressing love, compassion and outreach. Let’s not have families exclude or be disrespectful of those who choose a different lifestyle as a result of their feelings about their own gender.”

    A typical red herring argument is to create a false premise, and then attack the premise that was never true to begin with. The Church has NEVER taught hate against the LGBTQ. Hate in ANY form is NEVER justified. Tyler is a loved son of a LIVING and DIVINE GOD who LOVES him, period. Yes, like pretty much every religion on the planet both ancient and modern, the LDS Church teaches the law of chastity. This does not mean Tyler is not loved — he is loved beyond measure!

    I do not know Tyler nor his priesthood leaders. But had I been his bishop I know how I would have treated him had he asked to speak with me. I would have shown him as much love as I possibly could. My heart aches for Tyler and I don’t even know him. There is so much pain and anger in this video. This is not a good path for any young man, let alone a child of God.

    The Catholics teach that all sexual acts are impure at some level, even in marriage. In Catholicism, celibacy in priests and nuns is a noble and godlike sacrifice. Does this mean that Catholics “hate” heterosexuals? Get real.

    The LDS Church does not hate gays. It simply teaches the law of chastity. Even now, I can only imagine what must be going on in the mind and heart of Tyler’s bishop — and I guarantee you it is not hate for this young man. If I were his bishop I would walk up to him and just hold him and ask, “What can I do?” “What can I possibly do because you are loved beyond measure!”

    If Tyler feels he needs to leave the Church, then we all wish him the best — truly, the BEST in life and happiness wherever he can find it. But this video, it is painful and hurtful to all involved — including (especially) Tyler. Can’t you see? This video is not “healing” — this is hate, anger and hopelessness. No TRUE Mormon would want anyone to feel this way — least of all a man like Tyler.

    That being said, I do take issue with the straw man. NO hate is justified. Not from the Church, and not like this. I hope he finds what he is looking for.

  • Mormons worked hard to support Prop 8, but if you look at it honestly, they had little to do with it’s passage. Almost 14 million votes cast, Mormons maybe had 400,000 votes. The Catholic church supported Prop 8 and there’s 10 million +. And most importantly, African Americans voted in higher percentage of turnout than ever, showing support for Barrack Obama, they voted in support of Prop 8 around 80+ %. Oh and if you didn’t know it….Presidential Candidate Barrack Obama supported Prop 8 and was not in favor of same sex marriages for religious reasons. Of course, he’s changed his tune now….but during 2007 and the campaign of 08’…he spoke otherwise….all of the above contributed far more to the passage of Prop 8 than the Mormon effort. Along with Jana and most on this blog, you give Mormons way too much credit.

  • Obviously, you’re not a gay Mormon.

    As for “allowing all men to worship…” I have two words.

    Proposition. And 8.

  • Seems this just thinks he’s gay, just like he thought he was a Mormon. What will be think he is next time?

  • Please don’t spam this board with their own publicity releases. We already know about the Mormon bosses throwing anti-gay Hate Votes. Mother Jones is just one of the many publications that have posted online the Mormons’ own documentation of their political machinations in regard to anti-gay Hate Votes.

  • “Acknowledging tardy reporting of in-kind campaign contributions in the final weeks before the November 2008 passage of California’s Proposition 8, the LDS Church has agreed with the state’s Fair Political Practices Commission to pay a minor $5,000 fine.”
    WOW!!! Really did them in for that.
    Sorry, but you’re making a mountain out of a molehill here.

  • “We’ve lost another one.” Are you talking about yourself, Jana? Some of your statements show that you wouldn’t be able to get a temple recommend. Why stay in the church, then?

  • That statement — “We’ve lost another one” — sounds like the Lord really is worried about some folks leaving His church. Have you read the New Testament? Jesus offended his followers all the time, and they left him in droves. Our Savior didn’t change the gospel to appease or please them. Whom does he offend? He offends anyone and everyone who doesn’t live His commandments or do His will. Folks take offense because His law is written in stone. It’s as if they feel they’re better than the Savior, that they know better than He does. Yes, the Savior and His church will always offend those not living according to His will and to the gospel plan.

  • Yeah. It’s just like the parable of the lost sheep where you stay with the ninety and nine, ’cause the one is going to hell anyways.

  • Oh, he’ll have home teachers. Maybe even a visit by the bishop. If he lets them in, listens, repents and returns is all up to him!

  • The Mormon religion isn’t the problem, the fact that the LDS branch is the largest, has the most money and pretends to be the only church with Christ’s gospel is. People like this young man think that God can’t be real or good if the LDS branch of Mormonism makes a mistake. Yet there are other options out there for members of our faith and we shouldn’t think that our testimony of Christ or the Book of Mormon is somehow tied to the LDS branch. I’ll never forget praying to know if the LDS Church was God’s one true church. I got a resounding “NO!” Yet I had always been taught that if I knew the Book of Mormon was true, then I knew that “all the rest” had to be true. It took me nearly 2 decades to realize that the Book of Mormon can be the Word of God, but that the LDS branch of our faith may not be the right branch for all of us. The LDS branch does a lot of great things, but it also rejects many of Joseph Smith’s teachings and the teachings of the Bible and Book of Mormon. It’s a great place for conservatives, but not everyone will feel at home there. And, that’s okay. There’s 50+ other branches of the same tree to choose from. We should all prayerfully seek the one that is right for us.

    http://cjccf.org/priesthood-keys-passed-down/

  • There is no statute of limitations on this crime in California; investigation is ongoing. That’s just one of many fines LDS has already paid. No use trying to make a molehill out of a mountain–but thanks for agreeing LDS has committed such criminal acts.

  • Anti-gays always say their criminal acts they committed throwing elections are no big deal.

  • What about the criminal acts gays commit? They are justified? Gays would remove Prop 8 signs, that is punishable with jail time.

  • Please provide proof any LGBT Americans did that. Guess what–you can’t, because that’s just ONE MORE ANTI-GAY LIE.

  • Do you live in the suburbs of Los Angeles? My sign was taken from the gay neighbor on several occasions. Guess what? Turned my security tape into the police and guess what happened to that neighbor? Yep, jail time.

  • So what? The church can stay abreast of what is happening in the world. Kinda need to when the world starts acting like Sodom and Gomorrah don’t you think? It’s unacceptable in the eyes of the Lord.

  • You’re saying you think anti-gay, politicized “churches” should be able to violate IRS regulations as well as campaign finance laws. Forget that. And the eyes of who? No one cares what the few remaining anti-gays claim their imaginary friend says.

    And don’t bother lying about the Bible. Ezekiel 16:49:

    King James Bible

    “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.”

  • Document that. Provide the URL to a respected media outlet. Court proceedings in California are online, provide a URL to the court records. The claims of an anonymous commenter are impeachable.

  • Find it yourself, I’m not about to tell you what city in LA I live in. As you said, you can find the court records online. Safety first!! The same can be said of you carrot “The claims of an anonymous commenter are impeachable.” Prove it didn’t happen.

  • Who’s anti-gay? The church welcomes gays; they can take place in the ordinances just as everyone else, same rules apply to them as the do the hetero’s.

    King James Bible

    ““Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

  • We all know no one can prove a negative–but that YOU could cite the court case IF IT HAD ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

  • And what we will see there is anti-gays telling the same anti-gay LIE. Face the fact, anti-gays made a self-serving claim, but nearly 8 years later, all anti-gays have is that same old LIE, but NO arrests, NO convictions. And now, most Americans recognize anti-gays are LYING when anti-gays whine that their LGBT victims are “the real bullies.”

    Can’t you at least cook up an entirely original anti-gay LIE?

  • So where is your documentation that happened? You say you’ve seen the court cases online, so post the URL.

  • Where’s your proof that your nasty yard signs were stolen? Where’s the URL for the court cases?

  • I’m not doing your reference work for you, and denying they were fined doesn’t make the fine go away.

  • Prove it. I’ve proven that a majority of Americans DO support equality for LGBT Americans.

    We know why anti-gays constantly deny the evidence. Psychologists report that the most commonly observed symptom of the mental disorder homophobia is cognitive dissonance, an inability of those so afflicted to accept documentation that contradicts their deep-seated phobia and hatred of LGBT Americans.

  • Why would anyone believe those wild claims? Face the fact, everyone knows anti-gays always LIE.

  • Lying is your game.

    Posting evidence that refutes your lies is my responsibility as an American.

  • No, LGBT Americans keep right on winning.

    Conversely, can you point to even ONE enduring anti-gay “win”? What happened to all your anti-gay Hate Votes?

  • What evidence? Prove it. You won’t. You’ll say something like “you first.” Or “look it up yourself.” I already did. And my psych professor laughed when a gay guy called another man in class “homophobic” simply because he didn’t agree with the lifestyle. He told the gay guy that homo’s ALWAYS use that term when someone disagrees with them. tsk tsk.
    Now prove that I hate LGBT’s. I can disagree without hating people, can you?

  • No one, gay or straight, wants to get married in the Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kansas. Is that your “win”? The United Church of Christ filed suit in NC, causing the revocation of that state’s anti-gay Hate Vote; it’s just one of many American churches that will marry thousands of same gender American couples tomorrow. These denominations will marry same gender couples: Affirming Pentecostal Church International, Alliance of Christian Churches, Anointed Affirming Independent Ministries, The Association of Welcoming and Affirming Baptists, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), Community of Christ, Conservative Judaism, Ecumenical Catholic Church, Ecumenical Catholic Communion, The Episcopal Church, Evangelical Anglican Church In America, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America, Global Alliance of Affirming Apostolic Pentecostals, Inclusive Orthodox Church, Moravian Church Northern Province, Metropolitan Community Church, Old Catholic Church, Presbyterian Church USA, Progressive Christian Alliance, Reconciling Pentecostals International, Reconstructionist Judaism, Reform Judaism, Reformed Anglican Catholic Church, Religious Society of Friends (Quakers), Unitarian Universalist Church, United Church of Christ, Unity Church

  • No one wants to know where your mother’s basement is located. You could supply a record of any such case–IF THERE WAS EVEN ONE.

    Thanks for admitting that NO ONE stole those ugly signs.

  • Where was that “class,” Liberty University or Bob Jones University? No one believes any of your lies. No “psych professor” would discount the existence of the mental disorder, homophobia. No professor would use an epithet to refer to LGBT Americans.

    The 11 polls below prove anti-gays have lost the hearts and minds of Americans forever.

  • Here’s that proof AGAIN. This very thread contains this evidence already.

    “Americans are angry about society’s mistreatment of LGBT people, and not about same-sex marriage, according to a widely publicized new poll from Esquire Magazine and NBC News that attempts to gauge anger in the US.

    According to the survey, titled “American Rage,” only 22 percent of respondents said they’d be very angry or somewhat angry about a hypothetical headline reading, “More Than 100,000 Couples Have Wed Since Supreme Court Ruling.”

    Meanwhile, 41 percent said they believe LGBT people have a right to be angry about how they’re treated, 45 percent said they’re angry themselves about how LGBT people are treated, and only 24 percent said they supported Kentucky clerk Kim Davis and her refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

    Those results led The Washington Post to call LGBT equality “the social-justice issue that garnered the most agreement” in the wide-ranging survey, beating out African-American, immigrants’ and women’s rights.”

    http://www dot thenewcivilrightsmovement dot com/johnwright/poll_americans_angry_about_mistreatment_of_lgbt_people_not_same_sex_marriage

  • “As states across the country prepare for legislative battles around LGBT nondiscrimination and religious exemption laws, a new report released today finds that seven in ten (71 percent) Americans—including majorities in all 50 states and 30 major metropolitan areas— support laws that would protect gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people from discrimination in jobs, housing, and public accommodations.

    The survey also finds that roughly six in ten (59 percent) Americans oppose allowing small business owners in their state to refuse service to gay and lesbian people, if doing so conflicts with their religious beliefs. While support varies by state and region, there is no state or metropolitan area in which a majority support religiously-based refusals to serve gay and lesbian people. With a field period spanning the Supreme Court’s landmark decision in Obergefell v. Hodges, the survey also finds stability in support for same-sex marriage across 2015; nationwide, the survey finds 53 percent of Americans support same-sex marriage, compared to 37 percent who oppose it.

    The landmark survey was conducted by the nonpartisan Public Religion Research Institute as part of its 2015 American Values Atlas. The survey, based on more than 42,000 interviews conducted between May 2015 and early January 2016, explores Americans’ attitudes on same-sex marriage, nondiscrimination laws for LGBT people, and religious exemptions to those laws.”

    http://publicreligion dot org/newsroom/2016/02/news-release/# dot VwPekhMrKEJ

  • “More than six in ten (62 percent) white mainline Protestants support same-sex marriage. Among white mainline Protestant denominations, support ranges from 69 percent support among white mainline Presbyterians and 68 percent among both white Episcopalians and white Congregationalists/United Church of Christ members, to lower support among white mainline Baptists (53 percent) and white mainline Church of Christ/Disciples (50 percent).

    And while the Catholic Church officially opposes the legalization of same-sex marriage, about six in ten white (61 percent), Hispanic (60 percent), and other non-white Catholics (60 percent) support allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry legally. A majority of orthodox Christians (56 percent) also support same-sex marriage.

    The most supportive major religious groups are Buddhists (84 percent), Jews (77 percent), and Americans who select “Other religion” (75 percent); additionally, more than three-quarters (77 percent) of the religiously unaffiliated also support same-sex marriage.”

    http://publicreligion dot org/2015/04/attitudes-on-same-sex-marriage-by-religious-affiliation-and-denominational-family/# dot VbUcrRNVhBe

  • “Sixty percent of Americans now support same-sex marriage, as the Supreme Court prepares to rule on its constitutionality next month. This is up from 55% last year and is the highest Gallup has found on the question since it was first asked in 1996.”

    http://www dot gallup dot com/poll/183272/record-high-americans-support-sex-marriage dot aspx

  • “Washington (CNN)Nearly 6 in 10 Americans say that businesses that provide wedding-related services should be required to provide those services to same-sex couples in the same way they would all other customers, even if they have religious objections.

    A new CNN/ORC poll finds 57% feel businesses such as caterers or florists should be required to serve gay or lesbian couples just as they would heterosexual couples.”

    http://www dot cnn dot com/2015/04/24/politics/americans-support-same-sex-marriage/

  • “The Post-ABC poll finds 61 percent of Americans support allowing gays to marry and 35 percent are opposed, and a similar share say individual states should not be allowed to define marriage as only between a man and a woman, according to a new Washington Post-ABC News poll.”

    http://www dot washingtonpost dot com/politics/courts_law/poll-gay-marriage-support-at-record-high/2015/04/22/f6548332-e92a-11e4-aae1-d642717d8afa_story dot html

  • “In a new poll, a higher percentage of likely 2016 voters felt favorably toward gays and lesbians than evangelical Christians.

    The poll, conducted by Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research, looks at the growing social acceptance of same-sex marriage even among older voters, Catholics, non-college educated voters and Republicans – groups not traditionally associated with favoring gay rights.

    In it, 53 percent of respondents held a favorable view of gay people, while 42 percent held a favorable view of evangelical Christians. Meanwhile, 18 percent of the likely voters surveyed held an unfavorable view of gay people, while 28 percent held a negative view of evangelical Christians. Interestingly, the popularity of evangelical Christians mirrors the favorables and unfavorables of gay people in 2011, when 40 percent of those polled felt positively about gays and lesbians and 25 percent held a negative view. There was no comparison polling released on how the electorate felt about evangelicals three years before.”

    http://www dot usnews dot com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2014/03/27/poll-gay-people-more-popular-than-evangelicals

  • “Among those who say they left their childhood religion and now have no religious identity, nearly one in four (24 percent) say their church’s negative teachings or treatment of LGBT people was an important reason they left. That rises to 31 percent of millennials, damaging churches’ ability to bring in — and keep — young adults”

    http://www dot religionnews dot com/2014/02/26/gay-marriage-lgbt-prri-pew-religion/

  • “63% of Americans say that gays and lesbians have a constitutional right to marry and have their marriages recognized by the law as valid. That’s up from 49% in August 2010. Over that time, the share who see marriage as a constitutional right has climbed 15 points among Republicans to 42% and 19 points among Democrats to 75%.

    The CNN/ORC International poll was conducted by telephone February 12-15, 2015, including interviews with 1,027 adult Americans. Results for all adults have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 points.”

    http://www dot cnn dot com/2015/02/19/politics/poll-obama-approval-rating-economy/index dot html

  • “Overall, the majority of the country supports the legalization of gay marriage: 62.4 percent (margin of error +/- 1.2 percent).”—The Rand Corporation

    http://www dot newsweek dot com/gay-marriage-gains-support-its-still-partisan-issue-296338

  • “A majority of Americans think the Supreme Court did the right thing when declining to review lower court decisions that struck down state bans prohibiting same-sex marriage, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News Poll.

    The poll found that 56 percent of Americans support recent Supreme Court action that “allows gay marriages to go forward in several more states,” while 38 percent oppose it.”

    http://www dot washingtonpost dot com/politics/courts_law/majority-backs-supreme-court-action-that-allows-gay-marriages-to-go-forward/2014/10/17/b255ecb6-5578-11e4-809b-8cc0a295c773_story dot html

  • Please stop fantasizing about my body. NO, I will NOT have “gay sex” with you. EUW!

  • I find it interesting the wording to provide lead the reader….. for instance, “A majority of American’s;” I ask what group was polled? It certainly wasn’t a majority of people who have a faith in a higher deity, if it was ‘most Americans’ as you perceive the article to state, it would have used the word “THE majority of Americans.” Please, read the actual words. There were no absolutes, only conjecture.

    So if anyone is lying to you, it would be the media!

  • He didn’t discount a mental disorder, just calling a spade a spade. And yes, professors use a lot of terminology, sometimes it’s not flattering to your group or others.

  • Well then we know that all these churches are man designed and do not follow the Gospel of Jesus Christ. How sad.

  • Anti-gays will even lie about Jesus and the Bible. Jesus affirmed a gay couple. Read Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10. This is the Gospel story where Jesus healed the servant of a Roman centurion. In the original Greek, the word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner.

    Of course, anti-gays won’t agree with that translation. However, modern Biblical scholars have proven the Bible was intentionally mistranslated in order to provide “Biblical cover” for then-rising levels of homophobia. For example, the word “homosexual” didn’t even exist until 1870. Many major Christian and Jewish denominations condemn misusing the hate-based mistranslations to attack their fellow Americans and are marrying same gender American couples now. About 400 years ago, a group of religious authorities (sanctioned by King James I of England), secretly manipulated the English version of the Bible to reflect their own heterosexual attitude; they opposed the King kissing other men in public.

  • Everyone is allowed to accept or reject the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Many only read a fragment of the chapters and thus walk away from them with something completely different than what is being taught……

  • Even that’s a LIE. Proof? Each and every anti-gay Hate Vote that deprived LGBT Americans of marriage equality in law was an attempt to force a peculiar, minority misinterpretation of the Bible–the one you are trying to promote here. Americans have had it with the Christianists’ attempts to subvert our Constitution and force those minority “beliefs” onto everyone else.

  • You’ve just stated you want to deprive Americans of our Freedom Of Religion. Americans have all noticed now that anti-gays are disloyal to America and our Constitution.

    Wouldn’t you be happier in a country with no freedom at all, a government and an official state church that promotes hatred and fear of LGBT people? Russia is your country.

  • Reading all your comments I have figured out what your problem is…… comprehension. I make a comment and you go off on wild tangent….. oh well, you are free to your interpretations even if they are wrong….
    Now, if you want to talk minorities, there are less gays than there are Christians, so who exactly is pushing minority beliefs onto everyone else? Yep, that would be you.

  • Anti-gays always post personal attacks when normal, non-homophobic readers debunk their lies. Stop using the term “Christian” when you mean anti-gays–and, yes, there are fewer anti-gays than LGBT Americans. There is NOTHING “Christian” about telling lies meant to hurt others.

  • Aren’t you the pot calling the kettle black, you have been full of them (lies)…… want to try again?

  • I just saw him interviewed on the View. He’s still delusional to be calling his denomination of Mormonism, “Christian” when everything about Mormonism contradicts basic fundamental Christian principles. What a douche. First he deludes himself for many years fighting his feelings of the gay lifestyle just to appease his family and friends within Mormonism, and he still believes Mormonism is Christian, when the Mormon community is highly judgmental of everyone because of all of the many condition based expectations out of their members; far from what is expected out of Christian teachings.

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