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GOP congressman cites Bible verses calling gays ‘worthy of death’

(RNS) God’s wrath will pour down on sinners including supporters of LGBT rights, a Georgia congressman told shocked fellow Republicans during their regular policy meeting Thursday (May 26).

And the Human Rights Campaign is calling for an apology.

Rep. Rick W. Allen, from Georgia’s 12th District, led the GOP group’s opening prayer by reading Bible passages that condemn homosexuality and those “who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth.”

Allen, a small businessman in the building industry, didn’t make any mention of the energy spending bill coming up for a vote that day, or an amendment to it that would prohibit federal contractors from sexual orientation or gender identity discrimination.

He just focused on sin, reading from Revelation 22:18-19, an Allen aide told Roll Call.  The passage warns that those who don’t heed God’s Word will lose their share in the book of life.

Then he fueled up hellfire a notch with Romans 1:18-32, which elucidates a long list of “reprobate” acts including men who “burn with lust for one another.” Such people and those who support them are “worthy of death,” the verse says.

Several angered Republicans walked out. One told The Hill that Allen’s action was “(expletive) ridiculous.”

The LGBT protections proved to be a bipartisan “poison pill” that ultimately killed the bill with a 112-305 vote, according to The Hill.

Allen could not be reached for comment Friday and his offices were closed for the Memorial Day holiday weekend. His Facebook page made no mention of the moment.

Allen, as elected to represent Georgia’s 12th District in 2014, is described on his bio as active member of Trinity on the Hill United Methodist Church.

Human Rights Campaign’s political affairs spokesperson JoDee Winterhof called on House Speaker Paul Ryan and GOP leadership to repudiate Allen’s “vile and dangerous remarks. … Republican leaders must make clear that they will not tolerate lawmakers who sow hatred and violence against LGBT people.”

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  • Sad to say, we see other members of the “Gay Obsessed Party” that trashed their own spending bill (it was the GOP that inserted the anti-gay provision) express a similar desire to commit genocide against LGBT Americans. Failed presidential candidate Rafael Cruz endorsed the calls of two of his advocates, Iowa pastor Kevin Swanson and “Duck Dynasty” Phil Robertson, to commit genocide against LGBT Americans. Robertson even called for anyone who supports equality in legal marriage to be “removed from the earth.”

    Failed GOP candidate Ben Carson urged anti-gay bakers to murder not only loving, committed same gender American married couples by poisoning their cakes, but also everyone who attends their weddings.

    Fortunately, most Americans are waking up to the murderous intent of this failed political party.

  • The only significant thing that differentiates these people from Islamic extremists is that they have not (yet) carried out the killings they believe would be morally correct.

  • Never thought I’d see the day, that in the United States of America an elected representative would call for the death of people, and justify it by a polluted interpretation of The word of God. Sad state of affairs in the Republican Party.

  • Good point, anti-gays are doing that for them:

    http://www dot fbi dot gov/news/stories/2014/december/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released/latest-hate-crime-statistics-report-released

  • It’s a sadder state of affairs in what passes for Christianity,the other religion of peace and love.

  • Yes. They both hold that those who don’t believe as they do will be eradicated by God. Some can’t wait and take it upon themselves to start killing while the less bold gleefully condemn those they think will be annihilated by god.

  • Actually Richard, Jesus already died for them should they choose to accept that gift. The death has already been. It’s history.

  • He didn’t call for the death of the people. Jesus did and turned around and died for them. All they have to do is accept that gift.

  • He said things were so bad they were worthy of death, Vinny, then he still loved the people enough to die for them should they accept His gift

  • He said things were so bad they were worthy of death, Vinny, then he still loved the people enough to die for them should they accept His gift. God is good and loving

  • I’ve looked around a bit and I don’t see where Carson urged bakers to poison customers. Do you have a link you could share?

  • Carson urged anti-gay bakers to murder not only same gender couples by poisoning their cakes, but also their relatives, friends, neighbors and coworkers who attend their weddings:

    “What I have a problem with is when people try to force people to act against their beliefs because they say ‘they’re discriminating against me.’ So they can go right down the street and buy a cake, but no, let’s bring a suit against this person because I want them to make my cake even though they don’t believe in it. Which is really not all that smart because they might put poison in that cake,” he said to chuckles from some of his staff and dead silence from the journalists in the room.

    http://thehill dot com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/230632-ben-carson-pulls-crowd-to-its-feet-in-iowa

    http://www dot huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/26/ben-carson-gay-cakes-poison-_n_6547226.html

    http://www.dailymail dot co dot uk/video/news/video-1154611/Carson-Christian-bakers-poison-gay-wedding-cakes dot html

    http://www dot baltimoresun dot com/features/gay-in-maryland/gay-matters/bs-gm-ben-carson-bakers-opposed-to-samesex-marriage-might-poison-gay-couples-cakes-20150127-story dot html

  • I had no trouble at all:

    “Carson urged anti-gay bakers to murder not only same gender couples by poisoning their cakes, but also their relatives, friends, neighbors and coworkers who attend their weddings:

    “What I have a problem with is when people try to force people to act against their beliefs because they say ‘they’re discriminating against me.’ So they can go right down the street and buy a cake, but no, let’s bring a suit against this person because I want them to make my cake even though they don’t believe in it. Which is really not all that smart because they might put poison in that cake,” he said to chuckles from some of his staff and dead silence from the journalists in the room.

    http://thehill dot com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/230632-ben-carson-pulls-crowd-to-its-feet-in-iowa

    http://www dot huffingtonpost dot com/2015/01/26/ben-carson-gay-cakes-poison-_n_6547226 dot html

    http://www dot dailymail dot co dot uk/video/news/video-1154611/Carson-Christian-bakers-poison-gay-wedding-cakes dot html

    http://www dot baltimoresun dot com/features/gay-in-maryland/gay-matters/bs-gm-ben-carson-bakers-opposed-to-samesex-marriage-might-poison-gay-couples-cakes-20150127-story dot html

  • The man should be censured by Congress for saying such things. One more reason for the GOP to lose control of Congress. Democrats would either censure him or expel him from Congress for using hate speech as a member of Congress. Just because his voters may or may not support such hate speech, Congress does not have to accept him among their ranks.

  • Actually, you are splitting hairs. The apostles only kept one part of the Law of Moses when opening the Gospel to non-Jews: don’t eat or drink blood. I don’t see people like you getting all bent out of shape over Black (blood) Sausage. If you really accept Christ, then all of the Law of Moses is out the window and only two commandments remain: Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself. There’s not a lot of love in what the congressman said, so it looks like he has yet to accept Christ into his own heart.

  • What the congressman did was substitute his own human understanding of the Bible for the sole right of righteous judgment by the Lord Jesus Christ. His condemning words condemn him for making himself God to judge others. Hallelujah hypocrites make that same mistake all the time. They have to have boogeymen to hate so as to hide from their own mistakes. Hating your neighbor dishonors Christ and his grace is not in you. No one needs to judge that. They can plainly see it.

  • Why bother lying about GOP politicians calling for genocide against LGBT Americans?

  • That particular poster claimed that murdering LGBT Americans would “save their souls.”

  • Once again, this sad, defeated anti-gay poster tells readers he wants LGBT Americans murdered.

  • Wow someone actually dishonest and hateful enough to defend a politician who calls for the murder of citizens based on his personal prejudices. Can you sink any lower as a human being?

    Seriously, if malice towards others is so central to your faith, it speaks badly of the moral character of its adherents. There is nothing of value in your version of Christianity.

  • Actually, Christ did impose death on people who commit homosexuality, and then turned around and died for them, should they choose to accept that gift. Christ condemned the sin. It is not hating one’s neighbour to tell them the truth and save their life.

  • When you understand that some of the laws were moral, some were civil and some were ceremonial, it all comes into place Riding. Jesus brought the moral laws into the New Testament. The civil and the ceremonial are still practiced by Jews.
    Jesus said:

    Mark 12:29 Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord, 30 and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ 31 The second is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
John 14:15 – “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” 

    Jesus commanded “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.” Leviticus 22:18

  • We all should. Those who are saved will never die for their sins. That is a great gift.

  • You would prefer to credit a man rather than God for His words Spuddie? Christ said it and then turned around and died for them, should they choose to accept that gift.

  • “Jesus commanded “‘Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.” Leviticus 22:18″ There is where you go off the rails to put words in Jesus’s mouth for him. Nice try at being sly. Sly is not a godly attribute. “Old Testament Christians” never can get around the fact that they have try to pull fast ones to put things in Christ’s mouth he never actually said. That’s why they fail in their alleged Christianity. The proof is in the pudding and yours reeks.

  • Nope. That’s you imposing your private interpretations on the Bible. I took the Bible as Literature in college, and that sort of hallelujah hyperbole would be disallowed as “non-canonical.” You have to play link the scripture games to get to your assertion with lots of broken links filled with preaching. That’s why Christians with any common sense don’t attend those churches. They have brains.

  • Leviticus 20:13 is where Christ imposed the death penalty
    1 Peter 3:18 – Christ died for sins.

  • Yep, but you folks want to keep hanging onto the lesser law of Moses. You folks love to have that “eye for an eye” revenge that went away with the rest of the Law of Moses.

  • Posting a personal attack won’t change the fact some anti-gays call for genocide against LGBT Americans.

  • Show me in the Old Testament where the words “Christ” or “Jesus” are actually used? I know you can’t. I’ve read the Bible enough times to know better. So, asserting that Jesus personally said anything in the Old Testament, such as in Leviticus, just means you are hanging onto selected parts of the Law of Moses for your own earthly and unrighteous reasons.

  • You choose to see all people through a fuzzy lens carrot. Not all people are anti-gay. In fact, I would see someone who is “anti-homosexual” as a person who supports them in their sin and is loving them all the way to Hell. It’s more loving to tell someone they are doing wrong so they can rectify the problem. God wishes that none should perish.

  • Funny, earlier you claimed “everyone” hates and fears LGBT Americans. There’s NOTHING “loving” about your wanting to murder LGBT Americans to “save” them. With a twisted view like that, anyone can see why you’d shamefully claim the majority of Americans who support equality for LGBT Americans are “anti-h*m*sexual.” The only persons in this matter who have a problem are anti-gays. Psychologists identified homophobia as a mental illness and published their results in the Journal of the National Institutes of Health in 1953. Homophobia is the irrational fear, disgust, or hatred of gays, lesbians, and/or bisexual people, or of homosexual feelings in oneself. It refers to the discomfort one feels with any behavior, belief, or attitude (in self or others) that does not conform to traditional sex role stereotypes. Homophobia exhibits itself in the fear of knowing, befriending, or associating with gays, lesbians, or bisexual people; fear of being perceived as gay or lesbian; and/or fear of stepping out of accepted gender role behavior. Psychologists report that the most commonly observed symptom of the mental disorder homophobia is cognitive dissonance, an inability of those so afflicted to accept documentation that contradicts their deep-seated phobia and hatred of LGBT Americans.

  • I never said it wasn’t but the “clincher” for your argument was Leviticus, which is in the Old Testament, which was my point. But speaking of that sort of thing, did you know that different versions of the Bible have different Old and New Testament books. Greek Orthodox Bibles differ in the numbers and titles of books of the Bible from either Catholic or Protestant Bibles.

  • I know that Christ is part of the Godhead. BTW, Mormons are not the only “non-Trinitarians.” Green and Russian Orthodox Christians do not accept the old “three-in-one” theory as to the nature of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Neither do the Coptic Christians. However, Mormons do believe that Jesus is and was Jehovah, just not God the Father. But in a Bible as Literature class, you do not get to conflate Christ and Jehovah because there is no internal Biblical evidence that they are one in the same. But more to the point, if Christ is Jehovah, then the Law of Moses is all the more toast and not in effect, meaning Leviticus is a nice piece of religious history and nothing more.

  • Sorry, won’t get into that conversation with you. I believe Mormonism is a cult. Read John 1:1-10…..that is a Christian postition.

  • Go to Acts, find where Peter has his dream about the unclean food, and then read about how he and the other apostles interpreted the vision he had. They decided that it meant that non-Jewish Christians were not answerable to the Law of Moses. You know that is how it went down.

  • I believe that Evangelical Christianity is a cult. Good for both of us. I have no problems with John 1:1-10. I just don’t read nonsense into it. The false cults do.

  • nope. Not true. It changed dietary regulations and showed that people who were not Jewish were called, and used by God.

  • To me, it means that the pre-mortal Christ was in heaven with God and became flesh, and that as a spirit in heaven, Christ was God, just not God the Father. That was the fiction created in Nicaea to smooth over the obvious textual conflicts between the Old and New Testaments. “Three-in-one” God has no scriptural basis that’s why Orthodox Christians reject the concept.

  • Nice that you want to limit it to that but it also meant that Christians did not have to sacrifice animals to be forgiven. That’s a lot bigger menu item than dietary regulations. But thanks for showing you folks want to set the limits on God for God.

  • That’s the clincher: Christ never says either way, not as Christ, and his earthly ministry supersedes the Old Testament. But Christ does condemn divorce and yet Christians, especially socially conservative ones, get divorced all the time.

  • Christ created Riding….I saw your earlier discussion about Nicea. I’m with the guy you were talking with. Genesis 1:26.

    Actually, if you read Mark 1, you will see the trinity when Christ is baptised.

  • Early Jewish Christians still worshiped at the Jewish Temple, which mean giving burnt offerings to God. Had non-Jewish Christians tried to enter the temple, there would have been riots and dead people. The view that animal sacrifice no longer mattered is coupled to Peter’s vision.

  • Read Genesis 1:26….that will help you. Christ does not approve of divorce, but Moses was allowed to grant that to the Jews.

  • ATTN: SIDEWINDER… Based on what’s written in the Christian Bible, Jesus came to fulfill the Law & the Prophets, which he did when He sacrificed Himself on the Cross & rose on the 3rd day. We are now no longer bound by the Old Covenant, but are under a New Covenant. It seems to me, dragging anything forward from the fulfilled Old Covenant and trying to enforce aspects of it under the New Covenant (including passages in Leviticus & Genesis) denies the Lord’s sacrifice and meets the definition of heresy.

  • If it is the word of God, he has poor choice in message delivery systems. Your interpretation of Christ’s words leave a lot to be desired. Claiming such malice as the Congressman’s as central to your beliefs doesn’t say much about your beliefs.

  • His method of communicating with us has been around a long, long time. And, actually, as you are disagreeing with the Lord What do you think about your own comment Spuddie? The Christ is God’s Word, and you are fighting with Him. He was very clear in how He felt about homosexuality – it is an abomination worthy of death. Now you can accept the One who said it, or you can continue to fight against the One who created you and the rest of the world,but, don’t fool yourself or hurt homosexuals further than this current era has. If you are supporting them in their sin, you are not helping them to go to Heaven. Jesus said that practicing homosexuals will not see the kingdom of Heaven

  • So you are the Lord’s sole and unambiguous voice? I can see where fundamentalism serves a personal need for those who want to express a rampant ego and narcissism. To disagree with you is to be some kind of blaspheming heretic. Or it could be that your take on religion is just self serving nonsense used to justify your personal malice and prejudices.

    Jesus said rather clearly that judgmental hypocrites and hateful types have no chance to see heaven. He said nothing about gay people. To support your position you have to rely on Jesus’s flunkies and stretch meanings and context.

    Your version of Christianity doesn’t really have much worthy of respect. It seems rather venal, malicious, and hypocritical. Not worth the bother.

  • I try to relate what Jesus has said. I usually use scripture.
    Actually, Christ spoke a lot about homosexuals, starting in Sodom and Gomorrah and ending in the Book of Revelation. His most famous is probably: Leviticus 18:22 – 22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. ”
    If you believe God, who created you, knows what is best for you, since He created you, who has told you things to keep you safe and in His blessings, is venal, malicious an hypocritical – not worth the bother…..what does that say about you and your ideals?
    What are you doing to help these people go to Heaven?

  • An utterly absurd thing for a congressman to say. While it’s reasonable to agree to disagree about the role of homosexuality in a culture, I don’t think it biblical or reasonable inflame people by incendiary remarks. The congressman does not misquote the text, but he fails to note that by biblical standards we all are worthy of death as sinners. Atheists and many gays will scoff, but despite orthodox Christian resistance to the growing acceptance of gay culture, not very many self identified Christians would endorse “death” as the answer to this challenge.

  • “His most famous is probably: Leviticus 18:22 – 22 ”

    Jesus didn’t write Leviticus. Sodom and Gomorrah is about treating strangers badly. The worst transgression of the ancient world. The sin you wish to engage it. If you got anything about homosexuality from that story, you are not reading it honestly, in context or accurately. It speaks badly of your self-styled ability to interpret scripture in a sane manner. Plus the whole Jesus absolves people from having to follow Leviticus. Unless you want to sound tough in public, Christians are utter and complete hypocrites on that subject. Full of excuses why some parts count and others do not. “Abomination” is a modern addition/change to the term used.

    I can’t really get behind your skewed version of God. Too much ego inflation, too much malice, too dishonest. Not enough morals or socially redeeming traits.

  • When the bible calls for hate, it is the bible which must be discarded by any rational person.

  • Psychologists report that the most commonly observed symptom of the mental disorder homophobia is cognitive dissonance, an inability of those so afflicted to accept documentation that contradicts their deep-seated phobia and hatred of LGBT Americans.

  • Not so many, thanks to the court of public opinion and the outrage directed at those who do advocate death and imprisonment.

    But not to worry. There are still those who speak of gay culture, whatever at is, rather than ending this vicious prejudice.

  • As much as I am on your side in this, it is still another example of waving the No True Christian fallacy around.

  • So that’s the issue. Christianity had the snake oil franchise, and now someone else has muscled into your territory.

  • Actually, Rep. Allen didn’t call for anybody’s death. Romans 1:18-32 doesn’t call for any person to be killed. Neither does Rev. 22:18-19.

    My own view is that if you’re called on to lead a public prayer, you should just pray. But at least Rep. Allen didn’t single out gays. The two Bible texts he read, actually indict all of us as sinners, and point to our common need for a Savior.

    Nor did Allen call for the murder of any gay or straight persons. Merely reading Romans out loud is NOT a fatwa or jihad. It’s seriously time for the pro-gay spin-meisters to give it a rest.

  • Once again, who has deemed this to be a gift?
    And now, who bestows this designation as being saved?

  • Yes, it is indeed so very “inconvenient” for the anti-gay political agenda when an anti-gay mistakenly reminds Americans that anti-gays do indeed want to commit genocide against LGBT Americans.

    But this member of Congress is hardly an outlier. Failed GOP candidate Cruz had two speakers at his rallies call for genocide against LGBT Americans, Iowa Pastor Kevin Swanson, and Duck Dynasty Phil Robertson, who also demanded that Americans who support equality for LGBT Americans be “removed from the earth.” Failed GOP candidate Carson suggested anti-gay bakers murder not only same gender couples, but anyone who attends their weddings, by poisoning their cakes. The media reports on “pastors” demanding all LGBT Americans be murdered “by Christmas.”

  • See, Edward Borges-Silva? Here’s another anti-gay who endorses genocide against LGBT Americans. He admits he wants to force his peculiar, minority “beliefs” onto all Americans.

  • Your desperate act of deflection achieved the opposite of what you wanted, you demonstrated that, yes, Allen was calling for genocide against LGBT Americans. The fact he misused the Bible to make his “dog whistle” doesn’t fool Americans.

  • Yes, his open call for genocide against LGBT Americans is so very “inconvenient” to the anti-gay political agenda.

  • Please note this anti-gay did not quote Jesus, after claiming Jesus said what Paul wrote.

  • Psychologists report that the most commonly observed symptom of the mental disorder homophobia is cognitive dissonance, an inability of those so afflicted to accept documentation that contradicts their deep-seated phobia and hatred of LGBT Americans.

  • LYING is a SIN, says so in the 10 Commandments. We’ve debunked your lies where you claim loving, committed same gender married couples are “sinning.”

  • It’s always sad to see anti-gays try to drag everyone else down in the dirt, but trying to put murderous anti-gay Hate Speech into the mouth of Jesus is a new low, and demonstrates this anti-gay poster’s priority is genocide against LGBT Americans, NOT religion.

  • Leviticus is the Old Testament. Spamming this board with that LIE will never make that LIE become true.

  • Jesus affirmed a same gender couple. We’ve been over this many times. You reject the Bible because it does not convenience your anti-gay political agenda.

  • If someone died for you so that you wouldn’t die, would you not see that as a gift?

  • “(RNS) God’s wrath will pour down on sinners including supporters of LGBT rights, a Georgia congressmen told shocked fellow Republicans during their regular policy meeting Thursday (May 26).”

    Colossians 3:5 Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these, the wrath of God is coming.

  • Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it.
    2 Timothy 3:16All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17so that the servant of Goda may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

  • The people who still follow that part of the bible without any of that new testament stuff don’t even follow that one. Just shows how badly former pagans really understood the Jewish scriptures. So much that today Christians still interpret the old testament in a far more harsh light than even the most strict orthodox Jews.

  • As I said instant excuses for only following parts of the old testament where convenient. Also in there is a blatant misunderstanding as to the purpose of the old laws. They were meant mostly for communal identity. Much of it admittedly arbitrary for such purpose bereft of moral underpinnings. How does the rule against male sex differ from kosher rules? One s an inconvenience to Christians and the other is an excuse to act badly. A convenient way to avoid acting morally and in accordance to Jesus’s explicit teachings.

  • It differs because Jesus brought it into the New Testament Spuddle. He made a point that homosexuality is wrong. You may be interested in Romans 1. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and I could go on and on. blessings to you Spuddle

  • Romans 2 is far more instructive on context. Martin Luther interpreted Corinthians 6 to be about “self love”. Proof texting the bible to justify immoral behavior speaks badly of your brand of Christian faith. But then again quote mining and dishonest representations of text are typical of fundamentalists. When facts are inconvenient, just twist them.

  • Idolatry is not a good thing to monotheists. If you had bothered to read the whole section and not just taken a bunch of sentences out of context you would know that. Pretty much everyone who uses Roman’s 1 as a hate the gays justification never bothers to read the entire passage. But then again the whole act of proof texting the Bible to justify hate already speaks badly of the moral character of those kinds of Christians. People who simply look for reasons to act badly in public.

  • “Christians will be respected, not ridiculed.” (Note “Christians”, not “Christ”.)

    Humility?

  • Yep. Mormons would agree and so would I. But the Bible is flawed by the human limitations of translating the Word into language we get. That’s why there’s a new translation published every year or so. We never quite get it all right. Hallelujahs never get half of it right.

  • I know all about the lies anti-gays tell. I also know Jesus affirmed a gay couple. Read Matthew 8:5-13 and Luke 7:1-10. This is the Gospel story where Jesus healed the servant of a Roman centurion. In the original Greek, the word that the Roman centurion uses in this passage to describe the sick man – pais – is the same word used in ancient Greek to refer to a same-gender partner.

  • Christian ministers should stop preying upon their “flock” but they don’t.
    It’s a gift…after you’re dead. So the gift my mother received was a tiny casket in the family plot? That’s the cruelest thing I’ve ever heard.

  • If I knew someone who donated their brain to replace my damaged one, sure. But a pot of gold at the next rainbow ain’t going to happen either.
    Blind faith in an individual who may not have ever existed but promises eternity will never make sense to me. Using death to prove eternity is a scam.

  • As an individual who fully supports the rights of LGBTQ individuals, including marriage, should I feel threatened by these kind of statements? Is it grounds for self-defense?

  • There is all sorts of proof that he existed, Navy. You just have to look for it. He’s there.

  • May the words and deeds of Christians themselves lead to the downfall of Christianity – let it implode. Hopefully followed by the downfall of Islam and the rest of religion. The biggest enemy of religion are it’s own “holy” texts and its members.

  • This kind of nonsense is just the kind of thing to bring religion into disrepute. Of course there are verses in the Bible and the Koran that condone or promote violence and other human rights abuses. Sensible people of religion don’t quote these texts.

    However, when people take the Bible and the Koran at their worst, they trash religion even more effectively than the new atheists.

    No wonder that people are walking away from religion in droves.

  • Actually, it is you who is under an end times delusion vinny. Are you one of those who think a man is a woman?

  • No. There is more evidence for the Bible than a lot of things people take for granted.

  • sandinwindsor, Jesus approved of and frequently did homosexual riding with his many obviously homosexual male companions, just like you do with yours.

  • Christianity is also a cult, with many subcults, and in every case, their beliefs are silly and false.

  • Christian god is stated as repeatedly threatening death and causing death throughout the Christian horror book bible.

  • Christianity follows Jesus and it was a cult at one time. Now, it is a way of living. Blessings.

  • There’s no verifiable recent evidence for the Christian beliefs, and it’s absurd to vest belief in a supposed god that won’t even show its face for thousands of years, one that is enough of a jerk to expect us to wait that long to be “saved” when as an omnipotent being he could have just done that saving instantly -without the painful waiting and without putting his supposed son up on sticks for a supposed sacrifice that isn’t possible for a god to begin with.

  • sandinwindsor doesn’t realize that most of us in this country have been force fed the bible since our early years. Some of us are smart enough to realize that the tales in it are bunkum, but sandinwindsor isn’t that bright.

  • Present any of your recent evidence for the divinity of your Christ/God/holy ghostie. Evidence that we can verify. With no mustard trees or flat earth references. And don’t just cite the bible; that is circular reasoning without independent evidence.

    Good luck with that. There is no such evidence and the Christian beliefs are simply nonsense.

  • “worthy of death” -just the nasty Christian sky fairy being a vicious, vengeful killer again.

  • just ignore the parts where god threatens to kill everyone, over and over again

  • So sandinwindsor, do tell us why you think an omnipotent being such as your Christian “god” keeps on demanding our worship and love as you keep saying.

    Your supposed god seems like a rather needy “omnipotent” creature -a totally man-made one, actually, and very vain. Along with your god being a vicious killer as the bible says.

  • Stop dodging and answer the question. Again, why you think an omnipotent being such as your Christian “god” keeps on demanding our worship and love as you keep saying?

    Your supposed god seems like a rather needy “omnipotent” creature -a totally
    man-made one, actually, and very vain. Along with your god being a
    vicious killer as the bible says.

  • “Death” of an omnipotent eternal being is nonsense, as is the whole hokey Christian storyline.

  • sandinwindsor, you are the one making the assertion that your sick sky fairy does exist, so you prove it.

    And google Russell’s Teapot while you are at it. Read and understand that before you post again.

  • Death of an omnipotent eternal being is nonsense, as are the bulk of the Christian tales.

  • sandinwindsor, google Russell’s Teapot, and learn about it. Your “assertion” is an example of it, and once you understand the concept better, you’ll be well on your way to leaving your religious delusions behind.

  • No sandinwindsor, there isn’t. There is no verifiable recent evidence whatsoever for the existence of Jesus. Please retract your false claim.

  • I read that: he never urged them to kill same-sex couples but implied in a tasteless joke that it might happen.

  • Any statement is meaningless until somebody interprets it. It’s just a matter of whether you’d like to interpret for yourself yourself, or trust somebody else’s interpretation.

    The bible is no exception. It has no divine property that makes the intended meaning clear to all, which leaves great potential for danger to come from it.

  • Yes, and it has been interpreted for 5000 or more years – some of it. There was never a problem until people didn’t like that it condemns homosexuality in the 2000’s. The problem is with the people who cannot accept the truth Jeffrey. Blessings.

  • Interpreted for 5000+years, sure. Consistently interpreted? No. You will find thousands of groups throughout history with terrifying interpretations of the bible, be it Nazis, the KKK, those involved in the slave trade, etc.
    You will find interpretations leading to the famous conclusion that π=3, an easy interpretation to come away with despite it being incorrect, and there being reasonable interpretations of this not being the case (failing to account for the width of the rim of the basin.)
    Saying there was never a problem is a statement of incredible ignorance. If there was never a problem, there would be a single sect of Christianity, which is simply not the case.

  • You still will not find a legitimate interpretation that condones homosexuality. It is a sin and has been since the beginning.

  • That’s right.
    The statement about “There was never a problem until people didn’t like that it condemns homosexuality in the 2000’s.” is still hilariously off base.

  • I’m sorry for your lack of understanding….the problem has arisen because people who do not like the truth that Christ condemned homosexuality are lying about the truth of that, trying to cause a problem that they cannot rectify. They cannot even agree amongst themselves. Blessings

  • You’re speaking about homosexuality, I’m speaking about the nature of the bible being a collection of words, meaningless until somebody interprets them.
    The bible has well defined homosexuality as a sin. How it prescribes it’s followers to respond to this however is much less clear, and you will get a number of different interpretations of the same words.
    Until you have those interpretations, the words hold no meaning. They’re merely characters on a sheet of paper.

  • How does this work after the massacre? In offering his prayer of thanks, is Congressman Allen obligated to also thank Allah (since the mentally disturbed shooter was nominally muslim) or only Jesus?

  • He didn’t issue a mandate to “poison the gays.” He made a tasteless joke.

    I don’t like these people any more than you do, but you are encouraging people to tune you out when you resort to speculative hyperbole.

  • Well, the Bible does call for the murder of many people, not just gays. To site a couple of other examples, all nonbelievers must be stoned to death (Deut Ch 13) and anyone caught working on the Sabbath is to be killed (Exodus 31:15). This is the tip of the iceberg. It’s all at http://www.evilbible.com. I’m glad you disapprove of killing gays, after all, god made them that way.

  • Christianity is very similar to Islam and Judaism. they all stem from Abraham and it’s kill, kill, kill.

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