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5 faith facts on Trump’s Supreme Court pick, Neil Gorsuch

Judge Neil Gorsuch, left, speaks as President Trump stands with Gorsuch's wife, Marie Louise, after Trump nominated Gorsuch to be an associate justice of the Supreme Court on Jan. 31, 2017. Photo courtesy of Reuters/Carlos Barria

(RNS) President Donald Trump has announced Neil Gorsuch of the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals as his Supreme Court nominee to replace the late Justice Antonin Scalia, who died last February.

Here are five faith facts about Gorsuch:

1. Gorsuch, 49, now attends an Episcopal church, but he attended Catholic schools.

He studied at the Jesuit-run Georgetown Preparatory School in Bethesda, Md., while his mother, Anne Gorsuch, served as President Ronald Reagan’s administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency. After college and law school at Columbia and Harvard respectively, Gorsuch clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy, who is Catholic. Gorsuch, his wife and two daughters attend St. John’s Episcopal Church in Boulder, Colo.

2. Gorsuch has supported religious groups against the U.S. government.

Two major religious liberty cases wound up before Denver’s 10th Circuit Court of Appeals, where Gorsuch has served since 2006: The Little Sisters of the Poor v. Burwell and Hobby Lobby v. Burwell. In both cases, religious organizations — a Catholic order of nuns and the evangelical owners of a craft store chain — sought exemptions from providing birth control under the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare. “All of us face the problem of complicity,” he wrote in support of Hobby Lobby. Government should not force those with “sincerely held religious beliefs” to comply with “conduct their religion teaches them to be gravely wrong.” The Supreme Court agreed in a 5-4 decision in 2014.

U.S. President Donald Trump shakes hands with Neil Gorsuch, left, after nominating him to be an associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court at the White House in Washington, D.C., on Jan. 31, 2017. Photo courtesy of Reuters/Kevin Lamarque

President Donald Trump shakes hands with Neil Gorsuch, left, at the White House after nominating him to be an associate justice of the Supreme Court on Jan. 31, 2017. Photo courtesy of Reuters/Kevin Lamarque

3. Gorsuch opposes euthanasia and assisted suicide, two positions that coincide with the views of a majority of Christian denominations.

He wrote a book titled “The Future of Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia” that argued for maintaining laws against assisted suicide and euthanasia.

4. Gorsuch has not ruled in an abortion-related case.

But he is lauded by many conservative religious people and groups who seek the overturning of Roe v. Wade because of how he wrote about the value of life in his book. “All human beings are intrinsically valuable and the intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong,” he wrote. “The law … doesn’t just apply to protect popular religious beliefs: it does perhaps its most important work in protecting unpopular religious beliefs, vindicating this nation’s long-held aspiration to serve as a refuge of religious tolerance.”

5. Gorsuch reminds some, rightly or wrongly, of Scalia, who was a conservative, an originalist and who spoke often of his Catholic faith.

University of Denver law professor Justin Marceau told The Denver Post that Gorsuch would be Scalia’s “intellectual equal and almost certainly his equal on conservative jurisprudential approaches to criminal justice and social justice issues that are bound to keep coming up in the country.”

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Kimberly Winston is a freelance religion reporter based in the San Francisco Bay Area.

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  • Gorsuch’s mother was a criminal so it is doubtful the apple will fall far from the tree. The other dude ain’t any better. Hopefully either would be blocked like Merrick Garland was.

  • If their faith is what they are pushing, they need to be blocked. I want someone to uphold the Constitution, not make their religion into American law.

  • They both sound like outstanding jurists. We will be fortunate to have one on the Supreme Court.

  • Excellent choice. Compare that to the two radically evil leftist anti-Americans the anti-American enemy Obama got into the court.

  • Considering the ongoing War on Christianity, we need another Christian on the Supreme Court to protect Christians in America. I want someone to uphold Religious Freedom for Christians
    and stop favoring the murderous heathens from you-know-where.

  • Absolutely, this country does not belong exclusively to Christians or any other particular religious group-Religion should not be the basis of court decisions.

  • Please name what crime his mother committed. Oops, she was never convicted of any crime, was she? In fact, she was never even charged with a crime, was she?

    When she headed the EPA, the Administration claimed executive privilege for EPA documents Congress wanted relating to the Superfund. Congress cited her for contempt of Congress. The Administration eventually gave up claiming executive privilege and turned over the documents.

    OK, so please tell us what crime was committed by Gorsuch’s mother.

  • America is turning into a theocracy. Until Scalia thankfully died, two-thirds of the court was CATHOLIC! (unheard of during my youth). It’s time to put a Secular Humanist on the court so our secular Constitution can once more be defended. Scalia loved to think of himself as a constitutionalist, but note he never acknowledged that the Constitution protects only persons BORN, not persons conceived (probably because his Catholic indoctrination doesn’t allow such freedom of thought).

  • He will follow the WRITTEN constitution unlike Obamas appointments who follow the so called LIVING constitution. Rulings that foment social unrest to fundamentally change America is NOT in the cards with this nomination, so you have nothing to fear.

  • Get over yourself and relax. We don’t need a rogue, unpredictable head case on the bench who covets being the tie breaker and plays both sides, especially since Obama has stacked the bench with activists.

  • He will have to be confirmed simply because the Court lacks a Protestant. When there were no women it had to have one, when there were no blacks it had to have one, when there were no Hispanics it had to have one….now it will require a Protestant.

  • The fact that Gorsuch attends an Episcopalian church, as opposed to some holy roller, hallelujah church, suggests that he might be more socially inclusive in his personal life. American Episcopalians have been socially progressive on issues of faith for a long time, too long for a conservative like Gorsuch to stay if their views on women, minorities and LGBT were problematic for the judge. But we will see what comes up in the confirmation hearings.

  • Political animus notwithstanding, to attribute unethical tendencies to someone merely on the basis biological proximity is hardly a sound or reasonable argument.

  • America is far from becoming a theocracy, and of the 2 Jewish justices on the present bench, they tend to view the Constitution in the very secular manner you prescribe.

  • Gorsuch is an Episcopalian. I guess gay is OK with him. If he is not from the reformed church then the democrats will love this guy.

  • Who is protecting Christians from Christians? There is no war on Christianity in America. They demand all the perks and usually get them at the expense of non-Christians. Who protects non-Christians from autocratic rule by self-aggrandizing, bible thumping, brand peddling Christian theocrats? War on Christians my ass, try making every Christianity claiming sycophant live by ALL of the dictates of their rule book, not just the one that orders them to convert all they encounter.

  • The Constitution is a LIVING document. If you believe it isn’t then how do you justify each and every single amendment? And detail these rulings that have fomented social unrest and fundamentally changed America. I do have much to fear as religiosity thrust into the public demanding priority placement is unconstitutional, threatening the existence of atheists, deists, and non bible based dogma/ideology.

  • “More than a dozen Jewish community centers around the United States and one in Canada received bomb threats on Tuesday, the third wave of threatened attacks against them this month.”
    Is this part of your War on Christianity? Is this the religious freedom you are demanding? Demanding that all must submit to YOUR dogma at the expense of all others. THIS IS A WAR ON NON CHRISTIANS? When YOUR houses of worship are targeted the moment a self-professed Christian marginalizes a single religion at the whip of his pen then declare yourself wounded.

  • I would advise the Democrats not to filibuster Gorsuch, pending exploration of his views at the confirmation hearing. At worst he will be equivalent to Scalia, so it’s a push. Save it for when it might really matter.

  • Legally you are correct. She should have been incarcerated for malfeasance but that didn’t occur. Nevertheless, she was an essential capo in the criminal enterprise known as the Reagan regime.

  • Disagree. Scalia should have been filibustered. Gorsuch’s vote on Hobby Lobby/Little Sisters of the Poor should disqualify him.

  • Personally, I think we need someone on the SCOTUS who can think outside the ‘religious box,’—what about an agnostic/atheist woman especially if she is a racial minority. America is changing demographically and the court needs to change with it.

  • The legal justification for slavery was included in the text of the Constitution.
    An inability to repent previous sins spells disaster for man or government.

  • God is nowhere mentioned in the Constitution. That was a deliberate original intention of the Founders. The Constitution has not been amended to include God. Slavery was also an original intention of the Constitution. It required an Amendement to abolish this intention, not court rulings.

  • There are socially conservative Episcopalians. And socially conservative congregations. And even in socially progressive congregations there are social conservatives. The Episcopal church places its unity of religious doctrines, the rite of Eucharist, and other ritual or required or optional sacramental rites. Its unity does not require conformity of social issues. Episcopalians are like Candians, politeness is expected of all. P.S. I am not, nor have I ever been, an Episcopalian.

  • The written Constitution deliberately no where mentions God. The original Constitution enshrined slavery as the law of the land.. The living Constitution eliminated slavery.

  • Do some hard research who is one of most vigorous if not the primary promoter of Islam invading Europe,and U.S.! Same as they did late 19th.,and early 20th. century U.S. of as termed then Paupers , today we would say Illiterate Peasants .Some would say to weaken or outright War on Western Culture .So far in Europe the result is mass murder ,and Rape of Christains,not to mention the 10s of thousands of Christains mudered ,and their Church;s burned in Mid East ,but not allowing them refuge ,but will their persecutor;s .By the way I do not go to Church ,but U.S. found on Christain ” Values ” don’t like it Leave .

  • I am well aware of all of those factors, but just being Episcopalian makes even a social conservative less dogmatically so than if the same person attended an Evangelical church. I have extended family members who are Episcopalian, but in my family, those cousins are among the most socially liberal. It’s the church-going Mormons who are the Uber-conservatives among my cousins.

  • Gorsuch will almost certainly be confirmed. I just hope he disappoints conservatives more than he displeases liberals. A lot of the “Trojan Horse” justices (judges with no paper trail on the most controversial issues) have ended up disappointing social conservatives by being more judicially conservative than actually socially conservative.

  • He will use the position to enhance the power of the Republican elite, he will use it to enrich the rich and shaft the middle-class and poor, he will use it to destroy egalitarian democracy, he will use it to do what his criminal mother did, destroy environmental protection. He will make women, Black People, Latinos, LGBT people and others the targets of legal discrimination and governmental attacks.

    Anyone who pretends they don’t know he’ll do these things is a liar.

  • So it’s okay to target synagogues and mosques on American soil?! You justify behaving like radicalized religious fundamentalists?! How are you any different?
    The US was NOT founded on Christian values. If it were then there would have been NO slavery, no declarations of secession based upon the superiority of white males over others, no genocide of natives across the continent…etc. To this day Christians are busily raping their own with impunity is this country. No national outrage, just obfuscation with radicalized fundamentalists in another country ravaged by…American Christians seeking oil rights.
    And no, I will not leave as this country is indebted to me in perpetuity.
    Sacrifice my body making sure myself and others were protected from religious oppression in accordance with the Constitution.

  • Typical Leftist B.S. Accused of saying things ,Not said. Slavery was not White Male culture but, Black African Culture and remains so in parts of Africa today ! It was Western Culture ‘ White ” that ended it. The first Black Slave for life was owned by a Black Man U.S.! The largest Slave owner,and trader, Breeder which was looked down on even by other Slave holders was Black .A much higher % of Blacks owned Slaves in U.S. than did Whites . The oldest bones found in U.S. borders are Western Euro and pre date so called Indian by at least 1000 years . When came to light B.Clinton closed the area and ordered the ” Dig ” to be ended ,and results of research to be destroyed but not before Archaeologist;s made research public . So who was first to be killed . Many of the 300 Nations supported the ” White Man ” ! . . Without Western Culture most would still be dead before 6 years old and living in the mud. .One more thing . Barbara Spectre, Ovidia Yusef. Israel Choen for a start ! The Rothschild involvement in the War between the States that was Not due as you accuse “White Mans Superiority ” ! . . This is not approving many vicious things done to ‘ Indians ” or anyone else ! Focus on atrocities carried out ,not idle threats by unknown persons not identified , not carried out .

  • Christianity has not always had a glorious past obviously, but it’s evolving into what Christ intended it to be . Peace on earth.

  • Also the Episcopalian church is close to the American Catholic bishops who speak a lot of good sense .

  • This Palin-esque word salad smells a bit heavy on bull shit. These disjointed snippets of “data” seem to have been collated, cut and pasted, with the specific goal of touting Christian superiority.

    Example: “Many of the 300 Nations supported the ” White Man ” ! . . Without Western Culture most would still be dead before 6 years old and living in the mud.”

    Western Culture and the associated Christianity has wiped out millions from disease, torture, and unjust wars and that’s just on the North American continent.

  • None of your view is Christain doctrine ,or White doctrine ! Read the koran,and talmud . .Forget a moment the heavy banter over historical atrocities .Were you at sea most of the time ? I was on the Forrestal Flight Deck .

  • And I was aboard the Kennedy… and served with Muslims & Jews protecting the country from the avarice of radicalized religious fundamentalists.
    I hope my view is not Christian doctrine.

  • Go check out the wall that’s been constructed since 2006 and let me know if the country benefited from it. Not sure how it was funded as Bush Jr. started a religious nation building crusade in an oil rich country a few years prior.

  • Wikipedia: “During her 22 months as agency head, she cut the budget of the EPA by 22%, reduced the number of cases filed against polluters, relaxed Clean Air Act regulations, and facilitated the spraying of restricted-use pesticides. She cut the total number of agency employees, and hired staff from the industries they were supposed to be regulating.[4] Environmentalists contended that her policies were designed to placate polluters, and accused her of trying to dismantle the agency.[2]

    “Thriftway Company, a small oil refinery in Farmington, New Mexico, asked Gorsuch for a meeting to discuss the regulations limiting lead content of gasoline, the program under Section 211 of the Clean Air Act designed to reduce the amount of lead in gasoline in annual phases, and to receive relief from the standard.[7] In December 1981, while EPA was developing revisions to those regulation at the request of the Reagan Administration, Gorsuch met with representatives from the company, who asked her to excuse Thriftway from compliance with the lead limits because “the company faced financial ruin if it could not obtain quick relief from the regulations”. Gorsuch did not commit herself in writing but she did tell them they could count on her promise as the word of the EPA Administrator that she would not enforce the regulations.[7]

    “In 1982, Congress charged that the EPA had mishandled the $1.6 billion toxic waste Superfund and demanded records from Gorsuch. Gorsuch refused and became the first agency director in U.S. history to be cited for contempt of Congress.[8] The EPA turned the documents over to Congress several months later, after the White House abandoned its court claim that the documents could not be subpoenaed by Congress because they were covered by executive privilege. At that point, Gorsuch resigned her post, citing pressures caused by the media and the congressional investigation.[9] Critics charged that the EPA was in a shambles.[10]

    “…Gorsuch admitted that she and her staff “were so bogged down in the fight with Congress over the doctrine of executive privilege, that the agency itself seemed hardly to be functioning,”

    “Gorsuch was promised another job by Reagan, and in July 1984, he appointed her to a three-year term as chair of the National Advisory Committee on Oceans and Atmosphere, a move which was criticized by environmental groups.[12] She described the post as a “nothing-burger,” and both the House and the Senate passed non-binding resolutions calling on President Reagan to withdraw the appointment.”
    ***
    Another right-wing crook, just like the idiot who appointed her.

  • MY point is the atrocities you state are not part of Christain Doctrine ! I sent my Child to J.C.C. for school ,and I dated a Muslim girl a few times before she told me she could not continue due to having trouble for doing so ,and warned me what they were planning,out birthing us and then what they are famous for. This was 40 years ago A girl I knew was told the same thing by muslim friend about 20 years ago in Atlanta ..You do not embrace that which requires your destruction .I also well remember the U.S.S. Liberty ,and cover up .

  • It is too far into the current administration’s term to confirm a supreme court justice. We must wait until the next election. Besides, the taxpayer can save the expense of a ninth judge.

    As for religion, the nominee adds some diversity to the court as only two groups are currently represented. The ideal would be nine distinct religious or lack of religious views.

  • Actually all of the justices except for Kennedy and Thomas have reputations for being activists. But few show as much disregard for personal liberties as the conservative ones.

  • What ‘alternative’ universe do you live in? The world is dramatically more dangerous since Trumpenfuhrer assumed the throne.

  • David, we all know Donald is a ‘Jacksonian’ business dealer, not a statesman/politician. He probably will restore America because he’s a shrewd tough businessman . Good on him .

  • I couldn’t agree less. Trump is a bully and a quintessential Ugly American. He will not only alienate our trading partners but will drive them toward China. He will antagonize others into situations requiring military options which get people killed and ruin economies. I’m a combat veteran——he’s a walking deferment. He has no insight into war and the evils of war. He has no class as evidenced by his appearance at today’s National Prayer Breakfast. If he is a Christian, I’m not.

  • You know, I thought so and knew it, but when I went to verify it by list, somehow I missed one. I generally try to be very thorough in my fact checking.

  • Given that Gorsuch has been attending an Episcopal church for several years, I would assume he agrees with their ideology of Pro-abortion that Gorsuch also agrees. His ruling as you noted “4. Gorsuch has not ruled in an abortion-related case.

    But he is lauded by many conservative religious people and groups who seek the overturning of Roe v. Wade because of how he wrote about the value of life in his book. “All human beings are intrinsically valuable and the intentional taking of human life by private persons is always wrong,” he wrote. “The law … doesn’t just apply to protect popular religious beliefs: it does perhaps its most important work in protecting unpopular religious beliefs, vindicating this nation’s long-held aspiration to serve as a refuge of religious tolerance.” – no way does this imply that the unborn are human being which is of course one of the arguments Cecile Richards likes to use in pro-abortion cases that an unborn baby is not a human being until it has left the womb. How convenient! I’d like to hear her answer the question about what she felt while pregnant when her babies would kick her or if she had a sonogram and you could see the heart beating – but of course for her at her over $500k income a year it is more about money than helping the young women of this country. If you don’t support pro-abortion why would you attend a pro-abortion church?

  • He led a Nazi movement in high school. That’s all I need to know. Never Justice Gorsuch.

  • Episcopalians are not Protestants. They are Anglo-Catholics, the are progressives and they don’t leave their brains on the church door step. Each individual Episcopalian can think for themselves within a wide frame-work.

  • Unfortunately, Christianity is not a “Career Victim” Religion so any complaints are relegated to being unimportant since “OUR GROUP” is persecuted more than yours. While i harbor no malice towards others, i am also not a door mat. Read the news instead of your own propaganda.

  • Trump, for many, represents Law & Order, respect for the U.S. Constitution and the borders of this Country, Yes, without doubt, he is correctly perceived as a danger. Good!!!

  • Christmas Tress must be called “Holiday Trees”.
    Business have pushed employees to NOT say “Merry Christmas”.
    Obamacare pushes private business to violate their beliefs and financially support murder of unborn humans. The “Peaceful Middle-East Religion” beheads, tortures and attacks & destroys houses of Christian Worship.
    What plant are you from?

  • “The genius of the Constitution rests not in any static
    meaning it might have had in a world that is dead and gone, but in the
    adaptability of its great principles to cope with current problems and current
    needs.”

    ………………………William J.
    Brennan

  • People can change from what they say and do in high school. But that sort of history and then being Donald Trump’s pick for the high court would suggest he has not changed, but just become more careful.

  • Yes ! One of the Vatican News Papers reported the Jesuit Order on Malta had private meeting with previous Pope and ordered him to resign .Do not recall where but heard same thing about Justice Roberts,that before obama care decision Roberts was on Malta in some sort of ceremony with Jesuit Order ,and when he returned he flipped finding in favour of oabama care . Do you know anything about this ?

  • -25 Word Salad.

    Nobody is required to call Christmas Trees “Holiday Trees.”

    Businesses require courtesy. There is nothing wrong with saying “Happy Holidays.” Bing Crosby even sang a song called that.

    The rest are ridiculous assertions not based on facts.

  • How far back in time do you want to go?
    You will not find ANY Political party or group completely innocent. This approach is merely another Liberal Democratic tactic to defect from PRESENT injustices.

  • Hopefully Gorsuch will be able to reinstate the sodomy laws and remove the LGBT Nazis from our schools and Boy Scouts and the Girl Scouts as well. And praying he will get rid of Roe v Wade which the people didn’t want in the first place but the Supreme Court pushed it down our throats in 1973 even though the people voted against abortion.

  • absolutely this is a Christian Nation and it was founded on Christianity. no such thing in the Constitution as separation of church and state 52 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence where church-going numbers and 26 were ordained ministers. America is absolutely founded on Christianity.

  • The Episcopal church has not been an authentically Christian church for awhile now. It is apostate and liberal, and God hates it.

  • Nope. There was never any such group. It was a joke between him and his friends, and the joke was that they should start a club called “Fascism Forever” club to combat the liberal faculty that the justifiably didn’t like very much.

    You will notice that the word “Nazi” never appeared, and that the club, again, never existed but as anything other than a joke commenting on the leftwing nature of their self-appointed overlords.

    Therefore, you are a sorry liar.

  • Meaning that the folks at your hater church have added them to the official boogeyman list. Thanks for letting me know that lip-service is the only Christian service you do.

  • You certainly got a lot of information from my simple post. ‘Tis a shame that it’s all a load of crap.

  • Considering that Jesus was viewed as a “liberal” and a “libertine” by the Pharisees and Sadducees, doing all sorts of “forbidden” things on the Sabbath, you put yourself on the side of those who demanded the release of Barabbas by Pilot in place of Jesus. It’s the social conservatives who are “apostate” to the values of Christ, not the liberals. Playing “Old Testament” Christian is to negate the Blood of Christ and the Atonement. That makes you the apostate.

  • Hmm, no, your “understanding” is retarded. Leave it to a godforsaken Cultural Marxist to claim that Christ was one Himself, and that the Pharisees were the Conservatives.

    In actuality, the Pharisees were the same sort of anti-Christ godless enemies of Truth and Light that we can observe in the modern day liberal. They had only a superficial and outward observance of the Law, and this factor, moreover, had been adulterated with Babylonian Talmudism that their cultural predecessors brought back from the Babylonian captivity. The Pharisees lorded their self-appointed authority over the common people, to control the common people, but there was no true morality in them — just like the modern day Cultural Marxist filth that has ruined Christianity and Western Civilization.

    At no point did I play “Old Testament” Christian. You are a liar.

    At no point did I “negate the Blood of Christ and the Atonement.” You are a liar.

    Christ’s Atonement is not a license to sin.

    Christ’s Atonement is not a license for antinomianism.

    I will leave you with four quotes from Scripture — Scripture of which you are monumentally ignorant:

    Matthew 7:21
    “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.”

    Matthew 15:19
    “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies”

    1 Timothy 1:8—11
    “…for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine…”

    1 Cor. 6:9,10
    “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God”

    All of the above sacred Scripture is from… [drum roll, please]… the New Testament — the first two from Christ, and the last two from Paul.

    How do ya like them apples, hotshot?

  • Quote all the verses you like, but just quoting the Bible does not show me or anyone that God actually wants you to speak for him. Your efforts to judge for Jesus just make you another wannabe cult leader, not an actual voice for God. To me, your chosen verses are warning me about the false prophet that you are, nothing more, nothing less.

  • “The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

    – John Adams

    You may have heard of this guy. 2nd President, founding father, signed the DOI, helped write the constitution…

    Kind of blows your statement our of the water…

  • Your a real compromised christian? Gay marriage and all that garbage is not christian and that is what gleimhart means.

  • He did nothing forbidden on the sabbath. Those were man made laws. The bible is one book and the old testament does not stain the blood of Christ. It testifies to it. Jesus inspired the old testament? Its the same God? The new testament is the old testament revealed. Its 66 books making up 1 book, 1 plan of salvation, only one way To eternal life through the veil Jesus Christ.

  • You have no versus. Because you are your own bible, the one you learned in liberal arts school.

  • The constitution is in 100% agreement with real Christianity and you better pray for a real Christian/ separation of church and state, render unto Caesars what is Caesars. Catholic is church and state (gorsuch is actually catholic/ Jesuit trained), Muslim church rules state, liberal is a religion were there is no law and satan is there professed leader.

  • Yes there is seperation of church & state. The protestants who started this country ran away from the papacy which is a church and a state. We are a constitutional republic and the blueprint was a country with out a king and a church with out a pope. A christian nation is one that separates church and state and never forces the conscious of its citizens.

  • Yes it is 100%. There were a few illuminists in there and God even used them to set up a republic were 99% cant take the rights of 1%. These pagans did not want to get burned at the stake by zealous christian in name only frauds. That’s why separation of church and state is so important. Man can not force the 1st 4 commandments on his fellow man. All of our laws are based on the 10 commandments and the part that man plays in keeping them with out being forced by his fellow man. I stand at the door & knock was Christs words he does not force himself in.

  • You say that like it’s a bad thing. But part of my “liberal arts” education includes reading the Bible cover to cover.

  • Thanks for another laundry list of hallelujah Bible assertions. Do you use the Trump & Putin Laundry to get your Bible verses so bright and clean? It works great for Russian mob rubles, too.

  • That’s so cute to see the names that a hallelujah hypocrite decides to use. Nice try, no cigar.

  • A Christian is one who is in Christ. One whose faith is in the Gospel of Christ. The whole Gospel — from which nothing has been omitted, nothing has been added, and nothing has been altered.

    A Christian is someone who is saved by God’s grace, and not by personal, human effort.

    A Christian is someone who has a restored relationship with God, the Creator, having been forgiven for his rebellion against the Most High by the imputation of Christ’s righteousness — on account of Christ’s sinless perfection and sacrifice of His blood and His life, unto death.

    Our spirits are raised from their sinful death in the here and now to be in Christ, as Christ was on the third day raised from the sentence of death, and in eternity our glorified bodies will be resurrected as our spirits have already been, to glorify Him in His heavenly presence for all eternity.

  • A Christian is one who reflects the character of Christ. Is tolerant to all and lives by faith in His works. He keeps all 10 commandments not 9. He revered the 7th day Sabbath not the 1St day. James 2:19 KJV
    Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble. They do not obey. Luke 10:25-26 KJV
    And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? [26] He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

  • Thank you for the unnecessary passage of Scripture. Not only am I already quite well aware of it, but I’m also aware of its original discourse context, and I have countered more godless proof-texting than you could ever yourself throw at me. And if it might save you the embarrassment from engaging in anymore presumption, I am happy to inform you that there is no passage of Scripture you’re going to surprise me with.

    Your definition of Christian is, of course, only partly Scriptural, which is the standard trick of the 7th Day Adventist heretic.

    You have not refuted a single part of my summation of “Define Christian.”

    I said “faith.” Not mere intellectual ascent to a list of propositions. So let’s dispense with the straw-man right here.

    Moreover, you did not ask me to define faith. You asked me to define Christian. So let’s dispense with you moving the goalpost right here.

    I gave you a summation of your question. It was precisely correct and perfect in every way, as it covered the tenets of the Gospel as delivered by Christ and His Apostles. Did you want a book-long discourse? I could have answered your question with more words and more amplification and covered more terrain, and it would have still been incomplete, as anything less than the whole counsel of Scripture — from Genesis to Revelation — is only part of the picture.

    Lastly, your assertion that “a Christian is one who is tolerant to all” is un-Scriptural, but manmade. Leaving aside the fact of the always-moving and conveniently undefined notion of “tolerance,” if one is to ideally reflect the character of Christ and one reads the testimony of His ministry, one will not see someone who was “tolerant to all.” And if one reads the testimony of those (Paul, John, etc.) who were examples for us in the first generation of Christianity, one will not find that they were “tolerant to all.”

    When people try to baptize their bleeding-heart liberalism in the blood of Christ, they take His Holy name in vain, and God still doesn’t like that.

    So, you’ve lied here. You’ve misrepresent and mischaracterized here. You’ve proof-texted here. You’ve distorted the Gospel of Christ here. And you’ve done it as a liberal 7th Day Adventist heretic. Which of these sins do you imagine “reflects the character of Christ”?

    Should you persist in your heresy, you will one day be bunkmates with Ellen G. White.

    Have fun with that!

  • Are you really that arrogant? I added to your definition never refuted. and your long winded Godless rebuttle reveals character. I am everything but a liberal. Watch hacksaw ridge and than show me the Holy Spirit working in your faith equivelant? We are all glorified dirt and should strive to show Christs Character to these Godless athiest liberals. Faith is defined in Hebrews11:1 but narrow evangelical sin until Christ comes view leaves out key attributes of faith. Trust, Love, Obiedence, & paitence? Revelation 14:12 KJV
    [12] Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
    Does your denomination change Gods Law? Romans 3:31 KJV
    [31] Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
    Your long winded rebuttle was lifeless. I pray to see Ellen White in the 1st resurection & you to Brother or sister what ever you are. Quite sensitive you are.

  • Unecessary scripture lol. Matthew 4:4 KJV
    [4] But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
    John 1:1-3 KJV
    [1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

  • Not all bad, that is a good liberal arts class 1 in a million now a days would require that. Ok got me there. But the bible states study to shew thyself approved. Reading is good but we must go beyond. Not saying you havent.

  • Russians? Lol mslsd rhetoric. No one likes bible versus in this blog? How can you seperate Christ & His Word? Impossible.

  • Psalm 119:163-168 KJV
    [163] I hate and abhor lying: but thy law do I love. [164] Seven times a day do I praise thee because of thy righteous judgments. [165] Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. [166] Lord , I have hoped for thy salvation, and done thy commandments. [167] My soul hath kept thy testimonies; and I love them exceedingly. [168] I have kept thy precepts and thy testimonies: for all my ways are before thee. Guggen is this error?

  • I don’t know if you’re actually obtuse, or if you’re just playacting, because here you come again with yet another straw-man.

    I will proceed then, since I don’t know you, as if you are actually obtuse in what will likely be an unsuccessful effort to help you understand:

    Firstly, I did not say that there was any part of Scripture that was unnecessary for the believer.

    What I said, and what was clearly implicit to anyone with an IQ above 90, was that (a) I already know that Scripture, and (b) it is unnecessary to the discussion at hand, as the discussion was, as you first began, “Define Christian.” It was not “Define faith.”

    You may not have noticed this, but neither Paul nor any other NT writer gives an exhaustive account of the basic Gospel of Christ every time it is given. It is most often summed up, and for anyone requiring the entire counsel of Scripture — as I said previously (did you really miss it?) — one would need to start at Genesis and end at Revelation, and include all the books in between.

    And since I clearly said this in my previous post, then you’re bearing false witness in implying that I was declaring some Scripture as necessary, and you have no excuse.

    You keep digging yourself a bigger hole each time you comment. You’re doing so well “reflecting Christ” and following all of the 10 Commandments.

    Bravo!

  • “How can you seperate Christ & His Word? Impossible.”

    Biblical “literalism” leads people down all sorts of foolish rabbit holes, all supposedly “Bible-based.” Being able to see the writings of Paul, Peter, John, James, Luke, Matthew, and Mark as human reporting of sacred things helps a person to avoid the pitfalls of religious fanaticism.

  • I do not watch Hollywood movies made by Catholics. They are heretics, and so are worshippers of Ellen G. White. The devil can disguise himself as an angel of light, and I shall therefore continue to do what every true Christian must, which is to rely on the sufficiency of Scripture for the testimony of God’s revelation to Man, and Man’s place, purpose, and obligation to His Creator.

    My truth-filled and spirit-filled rebuttal had the number of words necessary to confront your heresy and fallaciousness. And let’s remember that YOU started this up. Not me. You therefore have no cause for complaint as to the length of my post, especially when you do what you did in your reply to my having patiently answered your first question. If you don’t want MY answer, then don’t ask the question. And if you don’t want me to rebut you, then don’t give me anything to rebut. This is not difficult to understand.

    As for the rest of your post, I engage Scripture as guided by the Holy Spirit. Not according to the dictates of a heretical cult.

    And let’s dispense with the “Are you mad, bro” nonsense. People think it helps their case, but it really just testifies to their need to distract from the substance of the issue at hand.

    Lastly, if, when you die, you find yourself assigned to be bunkmates with Ellen G. White, you’ll know that you’re not where you thought you were going.

  • “LOL” is not an argument, nor does it help your case.

    Also, your obsession with my avatar is weird and superficial. A Roswell alien intended as a joke is not paganism. You are strange. If you’d like to know about actual paganism, you can look to Scripture, but since you’re a heretic you won’t have the Holy Spirit to assist you.

    This makes now about the fourth of fifth time you’ve lied about me. Would you like to round it up to half a dozen?

  • Whatever that means. Probably something you learned from a book and/or video called “Amazing Discoveries.”

    Are we done now?

  • Biblical definition of cult nothe your secular evang epically image of beast one: Biblical: Bunch of people moving away from the commandments of God and usually meet on SUNDAY. What about hacksaw Ridge he followed the ” cult ” leader to? All you do is attack with your own Intellect nothing biblical pure nerve like that little image u use as your logo.

  • Biblical liberalism? What’s the bible a fiction book? Fake God? Wow your in the wrong discussionumber even ET would agree

  • Listen ET, your definition of heretic is one who Loves God and obeys His Commandments? Now we are done.

  • You will not address, the real argument change in God’s law as you advocate & Desmond doss? Google him? He knew Ellen White was inspired by God. Was he a heretic to?

  • No I learned that from the Bible obedient unto death. Who do you obey show me your 10 commandments? I can show you the 10 I go by?

  • I don’t care about Desmond Doss, whoever he is. He has no authority. Scripture is my guide. Ellen G. White was a heretic, and you are too.

    I knew when you asked me your initial question that you were bucking for a fight, but I answered you patiently anyway.

    Now is the part where you go away and stop ringing my doorbell. If you’re interested in why you and Ellen G. White are wrong, the internet has more than enough takedowns of the 7th Day Adventist cult.

  • Jesus never broke the Sabbath. The Pharisees had put in exacting rules that were not given by God in the Scriptures. Jesus ignored their man-made traditions, but He always upheld the law which came from God. Jesus came “not to destroy the law, but to fulfill”.

    It was Jesus who said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:15

  • Jesus kept the higher law and simplified the Law of Moses down to two Great Commandments, showing us the better way when he healed the same-sex lover (beloved servant) of the Roman centurion.

  • You are perverting the gospel and need to repent. The Bible does not say that it was a same sex lover.

    According to Merriam Webster the definition of beloved is:

    : dearly loved : dear to the heart [our beloved grandmother] [a beloved public figure]

    Now, in their examples does ‘beloved Grandmother’ mean you want to sleep with her?

  • Nope. Understanding historical context is vital to getting past false, homophobic translations of the Bible that intention disregard and obscure historical truths. Holy homophobes who substitute bigotry for charity and claim it’s really “Christian love” are the real blasphemers against the Holy Ghost and are lost souls, serving the devil instead.

  • “Woe unto them that CALL EVIL GOOD, and GOOD EVIL; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter! Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him! Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and the flame consumeth the chaff, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: because they have cast away the law of the LORD of hosts, and despised the word of the Holy One of Israel.” Isaiah 5:20,23,24

  • Ah yes, the old “Christ was a leftwing hippie” trope.

    Thanks, but no thanks. I embrace the totality of Scripture. This includes the part where Paul says that women are to have no authority over men.

  • The same God who said- “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” Matt. 5:18

    also said:

    “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an ABOMINATION: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13

    and also said:

    “But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the ABOMINABLE, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.” Rev. 21:8

  • You misjudge me. I do not believe that Christ was a leftwing hippie.

    I find it interesting that you claim that Joseph English was violating the 9th commandment (which he was not), and yet you seem to have no problem with websites that do that on a regular basis.

    I am glad that God is judge.

  • With liberals like you, “loving one’s neighbor” is always dispensed according to Leftwing dictates. To the liberal, my actual American neighbors are to be victimized and put low while the enemies of my Civilization are magically appointed “my neighbor” — even though they’re on the other side of the world in some godforsaken 3rd world cesspool.

    Such is the conceit of the liberal. The liberal appoints himself as God’s official bringer of goodness, and anyone who disagrees with the liberal position is, oddly enough, not “Christian.”

    To the liberal “Christian,” to be Christian is to be morally obtuse, intellectually shallow, emasculated, milquetoast, and limp-wristed.

    In order for me to be a “proper” Christian in the liberal view, I am to tell my children’s future to go to hell, and allow them to be overrun by people who hate Christ, who blaspheme Christ, and whose proclivities are base, barbaric, brutal, anti-White, anti-American, anti-Liberty, and anti-Christian.

    I am to take my children and throw them into the fires of Moloch to appease this fake “Christian” god of the liberal. To that I say: Go to hell, Sarah.

  • You have me pegged for the wrong person (definitely not a liberal) and, further, I think that you might benefit from a little counseling.

  • Oh but you are a liberal, only you just don’t know it. You think that because you’re against abortion, and maybe have one or two other non-leftwing positions, that you’re not a liberal. What you don’t realize is how far the perspective of Left vs. Right has been gradually moved leftward over the decades. And it has been moved leftward by some of the most godless sons of Satan to ever walk the face of the earth: The Frankfurt School.

    As for me, I do not require your assessment or approval, and the fact that you even believe in the un-Biblical and decidedly worldly notion of “counseling” is revealing, though not surprising.

    I have Scripture and The Holy Spirit, and neither is a morally obtuse, low IQ wimp. You can keep your “Christian” “counseling,” you heretic.

  • Ah, now I understand. You’re a Seventh Day Adventist weirdo.

    Okay then. Carry on.

    And you lost me with the comment about “websites…”

  • You conflate Old and New Testament against history and common sense to be one gushy green smoothie of fanatical slime. You quote translations contaminated by homophobic hallelujah “translators” and then put your own putrefied spin to get to the green goo you serve up as “the gospel.” But it’s all witch’s brew to real believers.

  • You are the expert at calling good, descent LGBT persons “evil,” based on your own twisted “understanding” of the Bible.

  • Sadly, I now think Gorsuch is bad news for the courts and America. His willingness to let a truck company fire a driver for choose to leave his cargo in a snow drift rather than stay with it and freeze to death shows that Gorsuch is not what ordinary Americans need on the highest court. Furthermore, Gorsuch got overturned 8-0 on a legal precedent he created as a Federal judge with regards to the rights of Special Education students, again showing that his hatred of the weak and powerless is far right of even the most conservative justices already on the high court.

  • Hahahaha, turns out those “threats to Jewish community centers” were hate hoaxes perpetrated by a Jew. Funny stuff.

  • Neither Synagogues of Satan or Mosques have any legitimate purpose for being erected on American soil — except maybe for target practice.

  • Trump isn’t a Christian, but neither are you. You’re more akin to the Pharisees. Sanctimonious, and proud of it.

  • Go tell that to Christians who provide some type of wedding service as their means of income. Those who refuse to service a homosexual “wedding” have been put out of business and fined six figures.

    It’s a war, and it’s going to get worse.

  • SCOTUS is already comprised of godless pukes, and you want yet another. And if you think that the U.S. is turning into a theocracy, you really don’t know what one looks like. If we get anymore godless, we’ll be a 3rd world cesspool.

  • I’m thankful whenever religious tyrants die. I was glad when the Ayatollah Khomeini died for that reason, and I’ll bet you were, too. Scalia spent years approving laws that deliberately stole my rights as an American woman, pretending he was upholding the constitution, as per his oath of office. Finally, he confessed he believed the (Catholic) bible should be the basis of America’s laws, which means he perjured himself when he took that oath to uphold the Constitution. Of course I’m glad he’s gone. Just sorry the GOP thumbed their noses at the Constitution and didn’t allow Obama to choose a justice who could bring back some balance to the Court.

  • Gleimhart, if you’re an example of a Christian, I want none of it. You’re about as unhappy and bitter a man as I’ve ever encountered.

  • I am neither unhappy nor bitter. You are, therefore, a liar.

    I think I will never understand the microscopically small mind of those who, when encountering someone like me who unapologetically pushes back against the unholy beast of politically correct modernity, believes they’ve obtained some sort of magical insight into that person’s state of being. It’s weird, and it’s presumptuous.

    As for you not wanting a relationship with your Creator, you don’t get to blame that on me. That’s entirely on you, and you will reap the whirlwind for it. Have fun with that!

  • Let me know when the US Theocracy is ratified and you become Chief Inquisitor.
    I need to lay in some popcorn to watch the subsequent shit show.

  • When you see muslims and jews being rounded up and put on cargo planes out of here, and bulldozers having their way with synagogues of Satan and mosques, then you’ll know.

  • Wow, bet the other kids kicked you out of the sandbox often.
    Sad, quite sad. You seem to prefer KGB/Stazi/Gestapo tactics.

  • No, some were by a mentally ill journalist. He was arrested and I think locked up until his trial.

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