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The new face of Mormon racism

Over the last week or so, the social media hashtag #DearWhiteMormons has given Mormons of color an opportunity to share their experiences of being in a mostly-white church. Like this:

Or this:

But it wasn’t long before some white Mormons appeared to feel threatened by the hashtag. Some called it “reverse racism” when Mormons of color explained how they had been treated or judged. The tenor of some of these tweets from white Mormons was that golly, gosh, and darn it, race just does not exist as a category in white Mormons’ minds! If blacks or Latinos bring it up, they are creating divisions and barriers where none exist. We’re all brothers and sisters in Christ, people; can’t we just get along? Stop playing the victim already.

As several people of color pointed out, such responses themselves revealed that Mormon racism is, sadly, alive and well. The very people who want to claim that racial differences do not exist and that we should forget the troubles of the past are often the same folks who perpetuate white culture and history as normative.

And these whites’ responses are only the less extreme or overt brand of racism — the kind that wants to sweep the experiences of people of color under the rug so that whites don’t have to feel uncomfortable about the privileges they take for granted.

There’s a darker current at work as well, which is even more sinister.

This type is represented by LDS blogger “Wife with a Purpose,” who retweets appalling claims about “white genocide” and the need for white people to have more babies to they can counteract the growth of minority races who have a higher birth rate. Otherwise, she says, white culture will be eradicated and whites will be oppressed.

Using hashtags like #whiteculture, #saveeurope,  and, of course, #altright, she begs Americans (read: white people) to wake up and smell their coming extermination. This morning she tweeted that white people are “under attack, dying daily” in America — this despite the fact that while there has been a 20% rise in hate crimes, the victims are overwhelmingly Jews, people of color, and sexual minorities.

Over the weekend she attacked Deseret Book authors Zandra Vranes and Tamu Smith, also known as the Sistas in Zion.

Um, what?!

She also told the Sistas, “We will not let you shame, harass, belittle, attack and degrade white LDS members anymore. This has come to an end!” But it sure looks like the shaming, harassment, and degradation are directed from her, not to her.

Wife with a Purpose says the Sistas are “fake Mormons,” and says that white supremacy (a term she rejects for herself, but if the shoe fits . . .) is baked right into Mormonism’s founding:

So apparently, because Joseph Smith saw “a pillar of light” that exceeded “the brightness of the sun,” that means that Jesus and Heavenly Father had white skin. Because of course.

This weekend she convened the first ever “Mormon Right” conference with “about a dozen” adults in attendance.

A dozen is small, but it’s a dozen Mormon racists too many. I call upon our church to speak out against this kind of injustice — or at least to speak louder. Those words are there from Jeffrey R. Holland, Gordon B. Hinckley, and many others. But the church has also never fully repudiated racist statements from earlier leaders like Bruce R. McConkie, Mark E. Peterson, and Brigham Young. Until and unless it does, it allows the ugliness of racism to fester and grow.

About the author

Jana Riess

Senior columnist Jana Riess is the author of many books, including "The Prayer Wheel" (Random House/Convergent, 2018) and "The Next Mormons: How Millennials Are Changing the LDS Church" (Oxford University Press, 2019). She has a PhD in American religious history from Columbia University.


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  • This makes me physically sick to my stomach. Sistas in Zion are a daily inspiration of maintaining faith despite an imperfect church culture.

  • It’s a lot more than just one blogger. She has tens of thousands of followers who believe as she does. There are scores of Mormons on twitter saying the same things she says. This is not isolated, nor is it unimportant.

  • So substitute heterosexual for white and gay for not white and lo and behold….

  • Apparently, people in the church were promising (as of ~75 years ago) that they would not let “coloreds” in the LDS church, at which point a former member’s grandfather joined. (Source: recent Reddit thread.)

    I guess they weren’t being honest that there already had been endowed black members in the early church.

  • Keep exposing the whores in your midst…. Bravo. That said ” golly, gosh, and darn it” the Negro members of the cult are finally more special (since 79) than those damn apostates and free thinkers trying to bring it down.

  • This feeble inept faux theocracy needs to excommunicate these people as well as the Cliven Bundy’s of the world…. yet they focus on the John Dehlin’s, Kate Kelly’s, and Jeremy Runnel’s infiltrating it’s midst…. and therein, verily, lies the disconnect.

  • Oh yuck. I feel sick thinking that someone thinks anything short of Christlike behavior is acceptable when you are trying to be a Christian.

  • Question Jenny -what percentage of her followers are actually members of the church? And, out of those LDS followers of hers -which ones are active and in good standing with the church?

  • Very good question. I think a ton of non-Mormon alt right loons make up the base of her ‘support’, imo.

  • I don’t know why you would say that. But then, my family is counterfeit, and I’m not working according to god’s plan.

  • Here is my deal with #DearWhiteMormons. It assumes that all White Mormons think the same. I have never told a Black Mormon (or all Black Mormons) that they should forget about their history.

    In fact I don’t think I have ever told Black Mormons what they need to do or stop doing. I would never address them all as a race and assume they all have the same feelings, opinions, or backgrounds.

    It would be presumptuous and racist. (Kind of like Wife With a Purpose)

  • I wouldn’t include the Bundys on that list. Are they a little crazy? Yeah. But we rely way too much on the article of faith about obeying and sustaining the law at the expense of other scriptures (that were actually intended as scripture) such as D&C 98:6-7, in which the Lord states, “I justify you in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land; And as pertaining to the law of man, whatsoever is more or less than this cometh of evil.”

    Racism is a sin condemned in the Book of Mormon. It’s very convenient to politicize it, but I don’t think the Church is as interested in settling scores as maintaining doctrinal purity.

    In short, do I believe the mommy blogger and others should be disciplined in some way? Absolutely, because they’ve committed a sin. However, there’s no reason to discipline political activists of any stripe, no matter how crazy, simply because they tarnish the Church’s image.

  • Your reply has a #NotAllMen sort of vibe: apologist. A suggestion, step off of the ramaeumptum, put down the mic, and let the brown people speak. Because right now, you are taking their space, all in your efforts to prove that you aren’t racist.

  • Let me share a few instances I am personally aware of. Anecdotal, yes, but still indicative of things not being alright. A dear friend and his wife were unable to bear children, they were white and adopted two black children a boy and a girl. Their lives were wonderful as a family until the children became teenagers. Often the dad would get complements like how much they were admired for taking in those two children. The father would then respond, thanks so much, may my son or daughter date your child? Those two black children were the only blacks in their entire high school in the south Salt Lake valley. During their high school years no one would date them and/or other’s parents would not approve of dating, because they were black. Both of the children have now left the church because they were shunned so much for simply being who they were.

    Another story, not directly about racism, but related. Having lived in downtown SLC and in a bishopric. I was amazed and stunned to learn that the established Mormon families would not consider marriage for a child unless the person was at least a 3rd generation Mormon. Converts, and those born to converts were not acceptable marriage material for their children. This was not one or two instances, this was widespread across the benches.

    After having lived in an amazing ward in downtown SLC, we moved to Mesa, AZ in one of the long established wards. Several weeks after our arrival, I was next to the wives of the bishopric and they were discussing one ‘Mexican’ family in the ward that gave the ward ‘token brown skins’ giving diversity for the ward. It was disgusting.

    Being white and the clear dominant majority, folks seldom see the overt and sometimes covert discrimination and racism being practiced. To them, all is well in Zion. Yet, those in the minorities feel it, often daily. I know, because I am gay, and lived with the prejudice, stupid ideas, and clear messages of being evil most of my life.

  • A dialogue requires multiple sides sharing their views. Grady didn’t suggest anyone stop sharing their views, simply that one view may not be capturing reality.

  • I had heard about “wife with a purpose” recently. Her views may very well be inspired by the racist ideology that was overt and in your face for many years. She clearly has taken them to an extreme position. Is there still racism in the Church. I would say Yes. It may be more subtle but it is difficult to get away from unless you avoid our doctrine and history. Diversity with the Apostles needs to take place because the rank and file look toward leadership to mold their own personal views.
    Are there members who are not racist? Yes.

  • We are all Adult Spirit Sons and Daughters of our Heavenly Father living inside of physical tabernacles having temporal experiences. As spirits, we have always lived and we will always live.
    As spirits we are all transparent which dissolves all race issues.
    Also we are all of one race, the HUMAN race.

  • The fact that she is now quoting leaders of the LDS Church and putting her interpretation on those quotes to support hate crosses the line into “teaching as doctrine information that is not church doctrine”. Especially when doing it in organized meetings or conferences, or in a way to spread her message to other members of the Church. This is one of the acts defined by the Church as apostacy, and I expect her stake president to start the disciplinary process soon. If she persists after being warned by her bishop or another higher priesthood leader, excommunication is enevitable.

  • p.s., Contrary to what this article says, the LDS Church repudiated the racist teachings of the past in the gospel essay on race and the priesthood.

  • I just picked up the June 2017 Ensign magazine and counted all the pictures and found 45 photos and illustrations of white people, 30 pictures of non-white people, and another dozen photos and drawings where race wasn’t apparent. That seems like a pretty fair balance of white and non-white representations of a worldwide church made up of people of all colors.

  • I don’t think Reddit would be the first source in would want to quote when talking about church history. Why not crack open a book about said topic? Oh here’s one I like by that “racist” Bruce R McConkie : “president Brigham Young and others have taught that in the future eternity worthy and qualified negroes will receive the priesthood and every gospel blessing available to any man.” (Mormon Doctrine, pp527)
    Sounds like he knew they would be allowed the endowment right?

  • The church didn’t excommunicate Jeremy, he “excommunicated the church.” Look it up on YouTube….

  • I don’t read much scholarly work about LDS history as that’s outside my focus area (LGBT+ people struggling in the present day). What I’ve read of Brigham Young made him sound more racist than most, though,

  • He was just a product of his time, I don’t think it’s fair to put him behind the lense we currently live with, as if we know better than him. That’s called presentisim, and if we grant it’s usage as acceptable now, then we’re just opening ourselves up to being the feebleminded racists our future ancestors will look back at.

  • That’s a very weak excuse. There really were people who were truly against that kind of racism at that time. I mean, yeah, the US had enough racist slaveowners in the founding fathers that they didn’t outlaw slavery from the get go, but they didn’t *all* agree on that, either. Famously, the Marquis de Lafayette offered to pay to buy Franklin’s slaves’ freedom, but Franklin refused. Guess he felt Sally Hemings would leave if she were free.

  • There’s a funny trend going on among so-called pundits where they simply quote the person they’re attacking and then move on, as if that’s the only counterpoint required. So sure of their own moral superiority. So full of blind faith in the things that have been told to them. It’s like they attack looking for a pat on the head from some invisible overseer. Pathetic.

    Take the first attack on Wife With a Purpose: her claims about white genocide and her encouragement for more white babies are “appalling.” I guess I’m a blazing racist too because I haven’t the foggiest idea what is “appalling” about either of those claims. White birthrates are declining and current trends will make whites a minority in almost every country they are currently a majority. Whites are fleeing South Africa out of fear of a systematic genocide. Perhaps these claims are incorrect or “genocide” is an exaggeration, but to assert otherwise is “appalling”? What planet am I on?

    And a white person advocating for more white children is a problem? Huh? If you tell me you would have the same reaction to a Japanese person saying the same thing about Japanese birthrates (guess what, they do say that) or to an Israeli saying the same thing about Jewish birthrates (guess what, they do say that), you are lying. I know people like you. You think every racial group deserves advocacy except for whites. THAT is appalling. And you slander this woman while you have no understanding of anything beyond your little self-righteous bubble.

  • What a cliche your response is. You parrot back words you heard from others. No original thought. No creativity. Just an attack on someone for who and what he is. You stamp your little feet and crow for validation, drowning out the thoughts of those who are smarter and have more to contribute than you ever will. But you keep on a good little soldier.

  • “Diversity with the Apostles needs to take place.” It’s like you think God is racist. Or you just don’t think He calls the Apostles. In either case, why do you attend this church??

  • No a weak excuse would be using an anecdotal story as evidence for an argument. Besides Brigham was a hero to thousands that he lead accross the plains, and a hero to generations that have followed. We don’t need to apologize for him. How do we even know that’s what he would have wanted?

  • The Bundy’s aren’t openly preaching to members an ideology that takes them away from following God’s chosen servants. Look, you can stay on the Good Ship Zion as long as you want, even if you have doubts. You can jump off should you desire. But when you try to drag everyone else off the boat with you, the Church will throw you off. The word for people who do that is apostates.

  • Genocide implies a crime being committed. Some people throw that word when they want to justify discriminating other groups. Yes there is a problem of low birth rates among whites but that’s a complex issue.

    There is no deliberate attempt towards wiping out whites. It’s actually a natural response to a higher standard of living that poses a generational problem (#firstworldproblems). Abortion and contraception are two of the reasons but the biggest factor is that more adult women are using birth control to delay having kids because they want to pursue and get established in their careers first. As women become more educated and career oriented the traditional life of a stay at home mom becomes less appealing because they want more out of their life. When they do have kids, they choose at best 2 or 3 kids. Smaller family size is more efficient when balancing the rigors of child rearing and a career. Factor in the economy which has male graduates moving back to their parents so they’re less likely to start having families at a younger age too and voila, declining birth rate.

    Meanwhile non-college educated women tend to have kids earlier. Immigrant communities tend to be more religious so abortion is looked down on more and there’s pressure from parents who want to see their grand kids before they die. Also some cultures perceive having larger families as a sign of wealth and progress so the more, the merrier.

    Things are worse in Japan where both women and men are highly educated and dedicated to their careers. Their elderly population are dying out and birth rates are on steep decline so their population is thinning out at drastic levels. In some countries in Europe, the government is even offering financial incentives to encourage more pregnancies. So yeah, get the government to subsidize more pregnancies and things could turn around.

    FYI: Interracial marriages are on the rise so yay free love!! That’s inevitable in a multicultural setting.

  • Gabriel, genocide is “the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.” The Alt Right (including that blogger) uses the word genocide to refer to the declining birth rate among people with white skin, and those are not remotely equivalent things. The declining birth rate part is factually true (at least in the United States and Europe); the “genocide” accusation is appalling because it is patently and demonstrably false. There is no racial or ethnic group targeting white people for mass destruction. To claim otherwise — combined with derogatory statements about African Americans, “ghetto culture,” etc. — is racist to the core.

    Yes, of course people in Japan feel concerned that their birth rate is declining. But that is a problem of national generational replacement, not of race; the government is facing a looming crisis in which there are not enough younger workers to support a burgeoning population of the elderly. All nations need healthy population growth to ensure economic stability. This would only be a racial matter if the Japanese government were refusing to accept non-Japanese workers because of their race, which is not the case.

    You ask why it is a problem for a white person to advocate for more white children. It is a problem when “Wife with a Purpose” intimates by every possible measure (such as the hashtrag #whiteculture) that “white” life is far superior to that of other races, and that the white race will be “eradicated” unless steps are taken to ensure not just its survival but its dominance. Dominance is what the Alt Right is after, not mere existence. A pluralist society in which whites are one race coexisting among many is anathema to them because it erodes the superior place they feel is due to whites.

    “Wife with a Purpose” and other members of the Alt Right are welcome to knock themselves out having as many babies as they please. It only becomes problematic when their reasons for doing so are to essentially weaponize those babies as instruments in the racial war of their own imaginations.

    I will as a final comment remind you, in case you are new to this blog and do not know, that we do not insult one another in the comments. Feel free to debate ideas here in a reasonable and civil manner. If you resort to personal insults your future comments will be blocked.

  • Ammon Bundy used the story of Captain Moroni to recruit people in the Church to join him. Using the scriptures or quotes of Church leaders to give credibility to a cause crosses the line into “teaching as doctrine information that is not Church doctrine”, as well as can also be interpreted as “fighting against the Church and its leaders”. Both of these are defined as grounds for excommunication.

  • Any use of scriptures or quotes to fight against the direction the Church leaders are going could result in excommunication. One of her statements quoted in the article qualifies. Saying that because God and Jesus are white as seen in the First Vision justifies treating non-white people with hatred is grounds for a disiplinary council.

  • wow. that was condescending and pretty much guilty of everything you just accused someone else of. “stamp your little feet” much?

  • I spent ten years in the bishopric of a predominantly Black, Latino, and Asian ward, six of them as bishop. The vast majority of our converts are African immigrants. Our ward boundaries contain a population of about 275,000 people: Whites comprise about ten percent of that number. We’ve lived here 31 years, raised our children here, will probably be buried here.

    About ten years ago, a mission president told me that he had discussed our ward with a General Authority (I honestly don’t remember which one), who instructed the mission president to tell me that I needed to magnify my calling in every way, because “in the next fifteen to twenty years, wards with that demographic makeup will be the rule, not the exception, and many of our White members are not prepared to accept that.”

    The ugliness of the racist Mormon blogger is there – I could tell you some stories that would make your head explode – but far more common is the soft bias of condescension and ignorance: there is an assumption that members of color are possessed of a “childlike faith,” but incapable of leading. It’s a terrible thing, and it impedes growth in communities that are primed to receive the Gospel’s fullness.

  • Bottom line here is that as members of the church we should not allow any of our brothers and sisters of color or anyone for that matter, to be made to feel inferior. Wife with a purpose can package her hate up as pretty as she wants, saying this is “heritage not hate” or that she’s concerned with the birth rates of whites but it’s still hate. Take a look at her Twitter feed and what comments she likes and you can so easily see what she supports and believes which is not in accordance with the Gospel teachings. Retweeting David Duke hate speech and liking tweets of people who use the N word shows her ignorance and pride.

    If you cannot defend members from this kind of thing, whether you read it or hear it, even if it’s passed off as a joke, you are complicit in this behavior. And dismissing a person who has experienced outright racism or microaggressions in the church because you haven’t witnessed it doesn’t mean it hasn’t happened. There are a lot of things that as members of the church we believe yet we have not seen proof.

  • Nothing to contribute? Here’s my original words as a contribution: White people work so hard to prove that they aren’t even covertly racist, that they stamp around with their many sized feet and silence the voices of people of color. Rather than continue with the apologist rhetoric of #NotAllWhiteMormons, it would be more productive to elevate the words of people of color. Or even better, not reply at all to their voicing their very real lived experiences within the patriarchal racist cult that is the LDS church. But somehow some presumably white dudebro (guessing by your Mugatu picture) needs to trash a random woman who correctly identified apologist sound bytes for what they are.

    If your fragile white feelings have been hurt, examine why you are so defensive and make the appropriate changes. Meanwhile, this is not really the platform for more white people to prove that their chosen cultural racism hasn’t overtaken their goodness.

  • The #DearWhiteMormons is not a platform for white Mormons to prove that they haven’t participated in the systemic racism that still exists in the LDS church. It was created for Mormon people of color to share their experiences with white Mormons. And while I applaud Grady for showing some basic human decency, his comments are #NotAllWhiteMormons, which are used to invalidate the actual real lived experiences that people of color have within the LDS church community. The reality of a single white man does nothing to negate the actual reality of every person of color within the LDS church.

  • How many people of color are Apostles? How many people of color are Seventies? How many factually incorrect pictures of White Jesus adorn church buildings and temples? (Jesus was a Middle Eastern Jew, who most likely resembled Osama bin Laden more than the white European man who is currently in EVERY piece of artwork depicting Him.)

  • I respect that idea and think you have a point (though perhaps not with the universal application to “every person of color”). I don’t believe your reply to Grady got that across as effectively.

  • No Jeremy told the executioners in his faux “court of love” to go shove the lying, fake, disturbing church up their Kolobs.

  • The only thing they are maintaining is their delusion that they speak to or for some fictional deity. Besides that, they are ONLY interested in your money… nothing else.
    PS the church does a fine enough job tarnishing it’s own image.

  • Actually, every person of color in the LDS church DOES face racial microaggressions every time they enter a church buildings. They see it in the artwork. They hear it in the hiding of systemic racism that the church held. (It is not that easy to find the single article “race and the priesthood” that the church put out to address the fact that it was a racist practice and is no longer condoned.) I don’t just think I have a point. I KNOW I do, because it is the point that I hear expressed by people of color in the church across the globe.

    I do concede, though, I could have worded my reply more eloquently. I still stand behind it. Rather than retrenching from getting pushback for his apologist posting, he should have examined his words for how they read and what they really meant.

  • There is only one race– the human race. The vast majority of concerns about race are indeed racist.

    Now I have to take a bath.

  • If Joseph saw a “pillar of light” that “exceed the brightness of the sun” he would have been instantly blinded. He wasn’t, so therefore his fraudulent story has no merit.

  • Can I respectfully and honestly ask how LDS art is a microagression? If it simply has to do with no representation for people of color, I’d like to add my experience… when I go into the Provo temple, there is a big beautiful painting near the women’s dressing room of a woman of color praying on her knees. I’ve always thought it was very beautiful, especially since I don’t see it very often. If it’s under-representation that you mean when you say microagression, that makes sense, but there certainly is some representation, and in the most holy of LDS buildings, even.

  • “Saying that because God and Jesus are white as seen in the First Vision justifies treating non-white people with hatred is grounds for a disciplinary council.”

    Please show me the quote that would justify this statement. I can show you quotes of hers to the contrary.

  • It was nice that you responded with something to support your statements instead of the poorly-developed assertions in your article. Your explanation of Japan sounds good on its face but doesn’t hold water when you consider that Japan (and Israel as well) has an extremely restrictive immigration and refugee policy. They are concerned with the racial makeup of their society and to assert otherwise is naive.

    I suppose we have a different understanding of the word “appalling.” I personally never use the phrase “white genocide” because I think the connotation makes it counterproductive, but I at least take the time to understand it. In almost every instance that phrase is attacked, it’s in an article such as your own that applies a double-standard to people who show in-group advocacy or preference.

    I have literally heard no one on the Alt-Right from Jared Taylor to Richard Spencer to Wife With a Purpose advocate for the subjugation of other races. In fact, all vehemently deny that is their goal. Although I have heard Muslims advocate for out-breeding Europeans. I do know Mexico has a clause in its constitution regarding demographic controls. It’s is only in white nations it is considered racist to protest the displacement of the native demographic. You would never write the same article about another race.

  • And there it is. “The patriarchal racist cult that is the LDS church.” You’re not here to contribute or to have a reasonable discussion about the matters raised in the article. You’re here to complain and to tear down the religion. Thanks.

  • Eh, maybe. She tried to shout someone down because he’s a white male and I called out her response for being the disingenuous, bigoted, and hackneyed attack that it was.

  • Maybe I could argue but I’d really be splitting hairs at that point. Fair enough about Bundy. I can’t speak for Church leadership but they allowed Kate Kelly to go on for a long time before doing anything. My guess is that if Bundy had the same size following, got as many accolades from the press, and was out protesting on Conference Weekend, he’d be given the same treatment.

  • Bundy is in jail… where he will probably stay til Heavenly Nothingness takes his mortal life and turns it into the dryest dust that even his sickly cows couldn’t ingest. Yet he is still a Mormon… in good standing????… but probably not as he has lawyer bills to pay. When it comes time for the wheat and the chaff to be separated… The Mormon Corp. always holds tight to the chaff.

  • Please stop displaying your ignorance of the Mormon Church or how it uses Disciplinary Councils. We’re not some virtue-signaling organization that kicks people out when everyone is mad at them.

  • My problem with all of your replies here is that you engage in a sort of absolutism that I think rubs a lot of people the wrong way. It’s one thing to say “these are some experiences I’ve had, so please help by changing things if you find yourself acting similarly and pointing it out when you see it in others.” It’s another thing entirely to say “all white people are part of the problem, and if you disagree with me then you are doubly so.”

    Having said that, my experience with white Mormons has been generally positive with some bad eggs here and there, but I wouldn’t paint all white Mormons with the same brush, positive or negative.

  • I agree with all of this. I think some people (mostly white, incidentally) who take that too far and imply that if you don’t feel the white guilt, you’re part of the problem.

  • I agree that the high profile apostacy cases in the last decade have taken a lot longer than I would have liked to have seen. We only hear one side of the story which is frustrating to many also. I think the Brethren should give better training to stake presidents on how to deal with apostacy that is being done with the internet. We can’t ignore those things and hope that they will just go away. The strategy of giving them no heed seems to be what often happens, thereby enabling the apostates to create a facade of credibility.

  • The LDS Church is wise to instruct its local leaders to not conduct disciplinary action when criminal charges are involved, until all appeals run thier coarse. Otherwise, a good defense lawyer would argue that the defendant couldn’t get a fair trial because it was known that the Church excommunicated the defendant. I know disciplinary councils are done confidentially, but word slips out if someone is released from their callings, and thier name disappears from the ward directory on line. Nobody wants a criminal to get off because the Church rushed to X someone. As frustrating as it is that the Bundy’s have not been X’d I understand why it has not happened yet.

  • I think the appalling thing to me is how close she comes to advocating racial purity, which is both scientifically unsound and culturally disturbing in its implications.

  • Although we may disagree on which people they should be taking a closer look at, I agree in principle. These days, apostasy on the internet is probably more dangerous than people out on the street corners.

  • The sentiment may be laudable, but the harsh reality is not. Growing up liberal and Mormon, I know from the inside out just how bigoted Mormons can be behind the cotton-candy smiles and glad-handing. I saw how anti-LGBTQ policies almost tore my extended family apart until Grandma put her foot down and put family ahead of Church. Right up to the “Priesthood Revelation” in 1978, I heard the worst anti-black “jokes” from other Mormons, including from guys serving missions beside me. After the policy change, when I taught, baptized and ordained a Black dental student in Mexico, there were still some missionaries from Utah that appeared to question the whole thing. Forty years later, exactly what has really changed?

  • OK, fair enough that you have that opinion. And if you were writing an article about it, just that statement would be insufficient. I would ask whether she is actually advocating racial purity and what is scientifically unsound or culturally disturbing about it (not asking you to answer that here, it was just an example). We could debate from there if I even disagreed. That was my point about Ms. Reiss’ article. She copied a tweet, wrote “that’s appalling!” and moved on. Sorry, but that’s pretty poor writing for a columnist. It was an attack article, trying to drum up outrage against someone she is ill-informed about.

  • The Lord said that whoever declares more or less than his teachings is not of him. There are apostates on the “left” and on the “right”. They all need to be corrected promptly to nip it in the bud, especially when they go into a wide forum provided by the internet. And X’d if they refuse to correct the things that have said that are apostate.

  • Spiritual nonsense… made up by looking at a rock in a hat!!!! Bwahahahha And the winner of the internet today wins with “spiritual eyes”.

  • Being Ex’d from such a derelict cult isn’t much of a punishment. Going on to Federal Prison will be. Maybe they will let him take his pocket Skousenstitution and the Book of Nonsense to read to fill his latter daze.

  • Jesus was Caucasian. The word “Adam” means to show blood in the face. Nothing wrong with that.

  • They’re welcome to disagree with me. I don’t hold a moratorium on dissenting opinions. All I said was that the perception that there is a concerted effort to exterminate caucasians is completely false. Just because a group claims otherwise doesn’t make it true.

  • Now I don’t have a dog in this fight, but you people are gittin’ HOG WILD around here !!

  • Of course they do. “Diversity is a code word for white genocide” is something proudly displayed on the front page of this website.

    Cuck is a word they use. No alt-right opinions there.

    I strongly suspect that your mother did not raise you properly. My parents had some real negative opinions about “those people”, but they also raised me properly to be ashamed of them as I grew older, and finally grew up.

  • “I have literally heard no one on the Alt-Right from Jared Taylor to Richard Spencer to Wife With a Purpose advocate for the subjugation of other races.”

    Of course they don’t. They just have to tell you that those brown people are coming for your children, your country, and your heritage. And then let nature take its course.

    Really anti gay people rarely call outright for the murder or imprisonment of gay people. That would be impolite, and might actually imply a religiofascist mentality that would interfere strongly with the rest of their goals, like fundraising and theocratic dominion.

    They just call us a threat to faith, family, children, freedom, morality, heterosexuality, god, and western civilization. And then let nature take its course.

  • I did. It’s full blown racism and racist fears. It’s the sort of thing white supremacists and the Klan use in recruiting members.

  • It’s altogether charming. I can’t understand people who live in that kind of a mindset, with that kind of fear.

  • Some people will always fear change. It can’t be helped. We can only pray for them.

  • The real, persistent problem is the tendency for Rocky Mountain Mormons (Utah, Idaho, and parts of Wyoming, Colorado, New Mexico, and Arizona) to view their Mormon Pioneer culture as the only true culture of Mormonism. I totally loved how Mormonism varied in culture, pace, and emphasis in southern Mexico during my mission there. But my Rocky Mountain States mission companions always struggled with it as if the Mexican Mormons were all guilty of apostasy for just being true to their own culture. I think being from culturally diverse California was a very good thing for me back then.

  • Spot on. She stops short of that so she can proclaim, “I’m not a racist!” “Look at my twitter feed and show me where I’ve said that.” ” I want everyone to be in their rightful homeland!” so she puts out a blanket statement and lets her following say the things she’s too cowardly to say. Her followers are clueless that she is using them to make her point and lets them take the heat (which I 100% feel they deserve) when they use racial slurs and tell people to go back to their country (although she tells people that all the time) I almost feel bad for them, almost.

  • Look at the comment from Linn directly above yours. I think she has it exactly right.

    As for conjecture and innuendo– no, I don’t think so. As a gay man, I have often heard a certain class of so called Christian tell me they don’t hate me, they just hate my sin– asif it were any of their business, and as if I can’t tell the difference. As I always like to say, “don’t tell me you love me. Let me guess.”

    From what I have seen repeatedly, what they really mean is that they will allow others to do the active hating, and they just get to follow along. A truly pilatic example of washing ones hands after the evil has been done. But, that’s because not all bigotry is hate. So much of it is the always present, always assumed, but rarely explicit assumption of a highly imaginary superiority, and therefore of privilege.

    And no, I’m not paranoid. Just experienced.

  • Time will tell if that “prophesy” turns out to be correct. To be honest, I doubt if that will come to pass. The Church is not growing internationally except in certain areas and it is not growing in minority areas.

  • Hate to break the news flash, but men call other men to be apostles. They do rely on the Spirit but that is a very nebulous thing to make decisions on. Most members take their cue from leaders. They need to set the standard through example. That has not happened yet. President Monson had a great chance with thee vacancies, but did the typical thing and called old white guys because they are the people he knows.

  • “…a white person advocating for more white children is a problem? Huh?”
    I think so. Whiteness as used is this context is racist. People are all the same regardless of color. I want the human race to continue but I expect “whiteness” as a skin pigmentation to eventually disappear and believe that will be a good thing. Blackness will too. Eventually most people will have skin of a light brown he and that’s a good thing. Being “white” is nothing special. We hope to preserve cultures, but, the culture of the American South, White South Africa, and Australian-New Zealander racism needs to die.

  • Where did you get that the church is not growing internationally? That is completely false. The church is exploding in Africa, Asia and with minorities in predominantly white countries

  • Mormons from the Mormon belt really need to get out more. They live a very sheltered, very white life, and generally struggle to function ‘in the mission field’ (I absolutely hate that stupid term)

  • >Why do you attend this church?

    SHAME on you. If you truly believe yourself to be a child of God, why would you EVER make an argument that someone should leave the Church because you disagree with them?

  • Release your pearls for one second, please, and read carefully what I wrote. Why would someone attend a church that they don’t believe is led by God? Yes, it is entirely appropriate to question the motives of someone who sets himself up as a member in good faith but who also spends his time complaining about the Spirit with which the prophet follows. Did you read his other comments? These are flirting with apostasy and you should be more aware of this.

  • “What they really mean.”

    I guess when they were disavowing violence, advocating for civility and acceptance of other races, publicly stating how all people were children of God (in the case of Wife WAP), and saying they believe in complete freedom of association and that all people should be able to associate with any race of their choosing… what they “really” meant was hate, attack, and persecute people who are different from you.

    Got it.

  • “I expect ‘whiteness’ as a skin pigmentation to eventually disappear and believe that will be a good thing. Blackness will too. Eventually most people will have skin of a light brown he and that’s a good thing.”

    That statement is wholly ignorant of demographic trends and forecasts. You literally know nothing in these matters and have been gaslit by a worldly and immoral culture. What’s more is your attitude is precisely the “appalling” attitude I was talking about. Go tell Japanese people their race will disappear. Go tell black people their race will disappear. Go tell that to anyone else and see the reaction. They’ll call you a hater and a racist.

    I truly love the diversity of the world. I love its variety of cultures, histories, and peoples. People like you want to take the rainbow of diversity that is our world and mix it into one big pot, sit back and say, “Tada! Isn’t this beautiful?” Not me. The children of God come in all sorts of shapes, colors, beliefs, and cultures. I want to preserve that, not toss it away.

  • Deliberate or not, please explain to me why it is racist for someone who prefers their own people and culture to advocate for their culture to remain the dominant one, not by force or hatred, but just by simply having more babies. That’s what this article is asserting.

  • Still no one can answer me why Japanese, Isralis, Muslims, or Mexicans can advocate for remaining the dominant demographic in their own homelands but whites in the West cannot.

  • The wife with a purpose is an extremist. She certainly does it represent mainstreamed Mormonism. Her posts are appaling. I believe she will rant her way out of the church.

  • Not when that is associated with de-facto church exclusion by asserting that non-whites are fake Mormons.

  • Your assertion about South Africa is incorrect. The South African 2011 census showed a 6.8% increase in the population identifying as white.

  • White Jesus everywhere. European Lehi’s family. White Utah pioneers. European Nephites. Things like that are what I meant. Representation seems more like a form of tokenism. Though I definitely concede that the church is slowly starting to represent the more than half of the members who are people of color, in artwork and photographs.

  • The very fact that you want to exert racial dominance over other races brings up questions of racism. How do you want to exert that dominance? Through politics, social policies, immigration,employment and education? Do you want special treatment because of your racial dominance because, that reeks of discrimination.

  • I didn’t intend to sound like it is all white people are the problem, but they kind of are part of the problem. There is a privilege, being able to see people who look like yourself represented on every level of leadership, in temple movies, in almost all church artwork(including white Europeans being used to represent Middle Eastern Jews). There is a privilege to have never been denied priesthood and temple blessings based on a now disavowed and rejected racist belief that brown people aren’t/weren’t righteous enough. There is a privilege to being an adult and not having your faith likened to that of a child by a general authority during conference. White people who take advantage of the privilege of their skin color, but never acknowledge or are completely ignorant of systemic racism, are complicit in a system that infantilizes and “others” people of color.

    I’m really glad that you’ve mostly had mostly good interactions with white members. I agree that there are kind and there are disrespectful people, of every color. I hope you continue to have a community that shows compassion, love, and a willingness to listen.

  • Or maybe white men shouldn’t be so fragile that they cannot take a correction when they are drowning out the voices of people of color???

  • I suggest you read — “Who is Esau-Edom” by Charles Weisman.
    A free pdf exists online.

  • If the religion is specifically a bunch of white men shouting over the voices of people of color, then they deserve to be torn down. And frankly, if a single person who brings up the fact that their church is patriarchal, racist, and kind of cultish is all it takes to tear it down, it is built on a very weak foundation. Actually, if a church is that fragile, it doesn’t have much to stand on anyway.

  • He absolutely was.

    The Strong’s Exhaustive Bible Concordance definition of ADAM is to “show blood (in the face), i.e. Flush or turn rosy — be (dyed, made) red (ruddy).” http://www.kingjamesbibledi

    Ruddy, Flushing, turning Rosy, are physical attributes of White people. The Israelites are described as “White” and/or “Ruddy” in Song of Solomon 5:10-15, Revelation 1:14, Lamentations 4:7, 1 Samuel 16:12, 1 Samuel 17:42. Note also, the Oxford dictionary definition of ruddy. Ruddy: adjective. (of a person’s face) having a healthy red colour: https://en.oxforddictionari

    Revelation 1:14 describes the Lord Jesus Christ as having a head that is “white as snow” (head includes face), in Lamentations 4:7 the Nazarites are described as being “purer than snow, whiter than milk,” (Nazarites are Israelites, see Numbers 6:2), and King David is described as “ruddy” in 1 Samuel 16:12 & 1 Samuel 17:42. The Song of Solomon 5:10:5 describes the Israelites as “White” and/or “Ruddy.”
    Oxford dictionary definition of Ruddy: adjective. (of a person’s face) having a healthy red colour: https://en[DOT]oxforddictionaries[DOT]com/definition/ruddy

    Song of Solomon 5:10-15 “My beloved is WHITE and RUDDY, the chiefest amongten thousand. 11 His head is as the most fine gold, his locks are bushy, and black as a raven. 12 His eyes are as the eyes of doves by the rivers of waters, washed with milk, and fitly set. 13 His cheeks are as a bed of spices, as sweet flowers: his lips like lilies, dropping sweet smelling myrrh. 14 His hands are as gold rings set with the beryl: his belly is as bright ivory overlaid with sapphires. 15 His legs are as pillars of marble, set upon sockets of fine gold: his countenance is as Lebanon, excellent as the cedars.”

  • You DO realize that the scriptures you are quoting were translated by white English people, right? I have read every source in the Wikipedia listing on this topic, and they are all sound.

    He wasn’t white. He was transitioned to whiteness over the centuries of European influence, and their general disdain for Jews. They wanted to worship Jesus, but couldn’t handle worshipping a less-than brown person.

  • “…You do realize that the scriptures you are quoting were translated by white English people, right?”
    Well that is a conspiracy theory I’ve never heard of. Think you can prove it?

  • The website and the movement is racist. It reeks of the fear of being relegated to the realm of hungry ghosts.

  • This is the most painful comment I read. I hope that is not true. I don’t want to believe that there are that many people who would follow her and believe that. I think I will crawl back into my little hole. It’s a wonderful place where people are judged by action and not color. I was a public school teacher for 30 plus years. My children had no color!! I like my little world.

  • Racism — a group of people loving their heritage and wishing for it’s survival and success.

    Racist — “We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children.”
    La Raza — Pure and Holy.
    NAACP — Pure and Holy
    ADL — Pure and Holy
    White Solidarity — Evil, Sub-human.

  • I think we’re meaning “dominant” in different ways, to be honest. If myself and many whites like me moved to Japan in increasingly large numbers such that in many areas we outnumbered Japanese, I would not think it racist that the Japanese expressed dismay at this, especially if the areas we settled in became culturally much different than what the natives were used to. It’s about preference, not superiority. I would not think it racist if they made laws restricting entry from more people like myself and made sure government documents were not published in English or things like that. That’s what it means to be the dominant culture. Every ethnicity around the world desires to have that, but you only consider it racist when whites want it, too. Read some more of what these people you slander actually advocate.

  • “Acceptance of other races” versus “be afraid of those people” and “go back to where you came from” are inherently contradictory. As for freedom of association? Hardly the issue here. Keep trying. Maybe there are more straw men.

  • Your research is incomplete. Look into Genocide Watch, watch any number of the many interviews of white South Africans who have fled the country, look at the squatter camps where whites are forced to live, the increasing number of brutal attacks on white farmers, or the numerous protests filled with blacks waving signs saying “Kill the Boer.”

  • You misunderstood my question.

    Can you prove that there was a Conspiracy to translate Greek and Hebrew into English with a BIAS towards the Caucasian race?

    You are implying that we can not trust the English translation of the Bible because “whites” translated it.

    Do you have proof that the ancient manuscripts have been translated in such a way as to favor the Caucasian Race?

  • If you are of the Caucasian Race, I strongly encourage you to read “Who is Esau-Edom” by Charles Weisman and
    “Tracing our Ancestors” by Frederick Haberman

  • Sorry Meg, but your reading comprehension is lacking.

    Can you prove that the English translations of the ancient texts have a bias towards the Caucasian race? Yes or no. If YES………..prove it!

    As an example — If you have proof that the Strong’s translation of the word Adam means something else……………..prove it.

  • If you are Caucasian (which I pray you are not) please pick up the book — “March of the Titans” by Arthur Kemp.

  • “There is a privilege to have never been denied priesthood and temple blessings based on a now disavowed and rejected racist belief that brown people aren’t/weren’t righteous enough.”

    You do realize that this doesn’t apply to the vast majority of brown people in the church, right? Not to diminish the experience of those to whom it did apply, but this is not so much a privilege to white people as it is a unique challenge to people of African descent.

  • It’s pretty impressive. Fortunately, the Roy Hobs of the world are rare. Sadly, they are not rare enough.

  • I got into a bit of it, and it rapidly became clear that it was not honest research, but trying to make a political point and willing to bend its scholarship to its biases, so stopped. It’s pretty useless.

  • Let’s go back to your original reply to my comment. You asked if Jesus was an ‘honorary Caucasian’.

    Jesus was not an honorary Caucasian, he WAS a Caucasian. Better stated Theologically — Jesus was an Adamite. He was a Galilean from the Tribe of Judah. Adam’s descendent.

    Jesus spoke of some of the residents of Judea as “serpents/vipers sons of the devil etc.” In Revelation we are warned of the “Synagogue of Satan” — those who claim to be Israelites but are not.
    The case presented in “Who is Esau-Edom” describes the tension or battle spiritually between Esau and Jacob. Jacob personified by Adamite/Israelites. Esau personified by Edomite/Caananites.

    Greek geographer Strabo reports on the population of Judea being mostly comprised of Edomite converts to Judaism, and other non-Israelites in Geography [Bk 16, Ch2, Section 34]. http://www.perseus.tufts.ed

    Modern Jewry cannot prove lineage to the biblical 12 tribes of Israel. See: Unedited 1906, Jewish Encyclopaedia, subheading, “Loss of Genealogies”: “It is assumed that under Herod I. all genealogical rolls kept in the Temple were destroyed” (Sachs, “Beiträge,” ii. 157). http://www.jewishencycloped

    ♦ “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (pg 3 of the 1980 Jewish Almanac).

    “Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860″
    — (Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23)

    What now do you disagree with?

  • In Summary, since you seem to be done with this conversation —
    I provided Scriptural evidence to support the teaching that Adam and Eve and their posterity were of fair complexion/Caucasian.

    You refuted my thesis by stating that there was a conspiracy among the English to mistranslate the Scriptures in favor of the Caucasian race.

    I asked you for proof of this conspiracy. As an example, you could disprove the definition of “Adam” for starters.

    But you cannot. You have ZERO evidence to support your faulty premise.

  • The problem with your point is that America has a multicultural identity. Japan much like China has a very specific racial identity.

    America is one of very few countries in the world that celebrates multiracial ethnicities. I would understand if European countries were making your arguments but in America that stance has no merit just based on history alone. Native Americans were here first. Then came Europeans, Africans and Asians. To suggest that one race has a greater claim to the national identity of the country goes against the core idea of America as a nation founded by and for immigrants where anyone if they work hard enough can obtain the American dream. Yeah Caucasians dominated the landscape in terms of influence and identity in years past primarily due to colonialism and economic power but that has changed. This hodgepodge of race and ethnicity is the whole point.

  • Strangely though none of those groups advocate the genocide of white people so get over it and go have a barbecue with your non-white neighbors and enjoy the summer. Seriously, you’re missing out.

  • What I’m getting at is that whites have always been a majority in this country. The nation was founded by white Christians and was designed to be a nation of such. This is not meant as hatred towards other races, this is simply a historical fact. In fact the first naturalization act was specifically written to allow only whites. Even Abraham Lincoln understood that a multiracial society would lead to strife (and it has). Until 1965, European nations were given heavy preference for immigration.

    Now to your point, the nature of America has changed in the last half century. There are many ethnicities in this country that enjoy all the same rights as the traditional demographic. And no one is saying it should be otherwise (outside of a few weirdos). I do not believe in restricting the rights of other citizens in any way. But this idea that white people should accept or even cheer on becoming a minority is bogus. It is a standard that would be applied to no other race and in no other nation that was non-white.

    You would be well-served to hear some arguments from the other side from people smarter than me. Here’s Jared Taylor debunking the “We Are a Nation of Immigrants” fallacy: If your thinking has this as its basis, you have been gaslit and are unwittingly making arguments that are flawed at their core.

  • I find it amusing that you demand proof of bias in one thread, then claim that lacking proof due to destruction of records is indicative of lack of ancestry.

    However, I have better things to do with my time than argue with anti-Semites, so I’ll just leave that be.

  • According to David Bednar, Africa is our future and will outgrow most of the current church population. We should all be celebrating! Its the Lords work!

  • Yes, that article is correct and I have obviously read it. It shows SA has the early signs of genocide. Combine that with statements from Dr. Stanton (the author) elsewhere about government perhaps covering up white farmer murders, the President of SA calling for white-owned land to be confiscated and given to blacks, the President of another leading party saying whites will be slaughtered unless they give up their land, the disproportionate murder/rape of whites in SA, the reports from people who live there, and the overall climate should all be enough evidence for great concern. My original reference to SA was to make the point that it wasn’t “appalling” to talk about “white genocide” but, as I said, “perhaps these claims are incorrect or ‘genocide’ is an exaggeration.” I think I’ve provided plenty of evidence to support what I originally wrote and don’t want to debate what is or isn’t a genocide in SA. As I said, your research was incomplete for you to assert that I was wrong for listing SA as an example seeing as I never called it a genocide.

  • It comes from various sources. Jana had a post a year ago and that post said convert baptisms have dropped 13%. The Church has difficulty making growth in black areas because of it’s tone deaf approach to it’s culture and it’s long history of institutional racism.

  • The best way to sustain him is not be a “Yes” man. There are far too many of those in the Church. Christ himself set the example. He saved His most damning criticism was for religious leaders. By doing the same, we walk in the footsteps of Jesus. We have seen too many examples of leaders acting and speaking as men and not as prophets.

  • It wasn’t a conspiracy. The racism and anti-Semitism was overt. It was so proudly shown that by the time Shakespeare wrote Merchant of Venice, it was normal to disdain Jews.

  • Indigenous people of color and those of African descent across the globe were denied the priesthood and the blessings of the temple until 1978. There are people alive today who were LDS but not able to hold the priesthood or even to do baptisms for the dead.

    Nowadays, we’ve done away with that nonsense. But just because the handbook of guidelines has changed doesn’t mean some of our current general authorities weren’t involved in maintaining the priesthood ban, until its removal in 1978 when the LDS church risked losing its non-profit status over it. (Federal government sent a legal warning, then the revelation came that removed the ban. And in the article “Race and the Priesthood, the church officially disavowed it as a racist act that was a product of the times.)

  • Amen to that. In a few decades, we won’t have to worry about a lack of diversity among Church leadership. Current demographic trends will take care of that.

  • The Church has difficulty making growth in African-American areas, yes, but not in black areas per se.

  • We’re agreed that this was bad policy and not inspired. But you keep repeating a factual inaccuracy. “Those of African descent” were denied the priesthood and temple blessings, but other “Indigenous people of color” were not. The gospel, including priesthood ordination, was spread among Pacific Islanders, Native Americans, and even black Fijians and Australian Aborigines long before 1978.

  • Just to be clear, you’re taking Jesus Christ condemning the un-ordained Pharisees as a call to action? That it’s on you to publicly question the Spirit of Revelation which calls a new prophet? IMO, if you think God would give you that level of inspiration, perhaps you’re in the wrong Church, because that’s not how revelation works in the Lord’s Church. Me, I believe gaining a testimony about sustaining the prophet is a matter of personal reflection and prayer and whatever answer I receive will be for me and those within my stewardship.

  • Arguing I should leave simply because you do not care for my opinion is not a strong argument on your part.

  • Completely untrue. Convert baptisms dropping 13% worldwide does not mean the church isn’t growing internationally. 10 years ago there was 1 temple in Africa, there are now 5 announced… and you say there’s no growth? Maybe it struggles to grow in ‘black areas’ in the US, but Africa isn’t having that problem.

  • That world you envision of a white man’s American utopia is one rife with racism. It’s a world where the poorest white man feels he’s better than the richest black man by virtue of his skin color alone. So he becomes blind to politicians and very wealthy men that routinely take advantage of him by using his hatred and fear to distract him from the fact that he is being robbed in broad daylight of opportunities. It’s no wonder that the South happens to be the region in America with the lowest economic opportunities.

    Diversity isn’t going anywhere. You’re trying so hard to put the genie back in the bottle while the rest of the country is moving forward. Has the white man been reduced to a creature of fear? Afraid of African Americans, Hispanics and Arabs? It must take a lot of courage to walk out the door each morning to a world of diverse and vibrant colors.

    If you want to discuss the problems of immigration amidst the current climate of terrorism, great. That’s a discussion worth having instead of this fear of becoming an ethnic minority in what simply amounts to an irrational cry of “no country for white men”.

  • That’s wonderful, but what about the 99.99 percent of the world that can’t go into the Provo temple and see that “big beautiful” painting? You want to say that you represent people of color, but your representation is in a hidden place. *shakes head*

  • Well, I was responding to a comment that specifically was referring to people of color within the LDS church… so I was referring only to them in response. I don’t see why that merited a shaking head. Anyone within the LDS church can see that painting, it’s not “hidden”, and that was just one example I’ve seen… I’m sure there are more, because it would be naive to claim I’ve seen the only example in the world of LDS art that includes a colored person. Of course I think we could definitely use more pictures of colored men and women around the outside of the temple, but that wasn’t my original question. My point stands firm when referring to the original comment. If we didn’t want colored people in our art… why would we put them in a prominent place in our most sacred buildings?

  • I worked at that temple. It wasn’t always there (only a year or two at best), but was part of a revamp of some of the art in the temple. They had several new art pieces that went up. They’re generally beautiful. And that piece is also lovely….but it’s also not enough. In the new provo temple there is not one painting of a PoC that I’m aware of. I get that it was made in a way to be representative of the time period it originally came from. But still. Along with that the picture still can pull out racial insensitivities and microagressions. For example. I’m half black. I look it, with light brown skin and soft curly, unbraided, hair (it’s important for this story). But I’ve had more than one eager beaver woman (sense it’s on the woman’s side in the temple) tell me they saw this beautiful painting in the provo temple that looks “just like me.” In fact that’s how I was introduced to that painting. I was highly skeptical it looked anything like me, because this has happened before. And sure enough, the woman is a beautiful full-black woman who’s far darker than me in coloration and has her hair in a braided up-do. She didn’t look at all like me, and I felt in some ways more invisible standing before this painting that at that moment was representing how others don’t see me. Of how (some) white people do not see “differences” in a way that means that they just can’t see or really interact and know my world that’s full of them.

  • You’ve seen one of few, though growing, pieces of art that shows and lds artist’s representation of PoC. I know because I love art and look for such pieces. There’s just not that many. Most of it isn’t intentional. But because it becomes the mainstream representation and message of how we view our religion. It can lead to reticence to accept paintings where main characters in scriptures look drastically different from a white european tradition. For example, the painting you mentioned in the temple is not there to represent, say Eve or any biblical woman. And some of the PoC represented can be done in a way that reasserts racist ideas. Such as art where lamanites and nephites have differing skin tones. Most of the white paintings just represents a world of white artists who tend to live in overwhelmingly white areas. You paint what you know. Modern LDS art is changing and there is more representation….but it’s still slow in doing so and can quickly run into cultural reticence with it.

  • Again……………you fail to understand our original conversation. Should I repeat it?
    I gave you Scripture indicating Adamites and therefore Israelites are of fair complexion.
    You then said that there was a conspiracy a foot to “translate” the Greek and Hebrew to bias the Caucasian race. I asked for proof.
    This could easily be demonstrated if you could find a writing in Antiquity that shows the word “Adam” in Hebrew really doesn’t mean — To show blood in the face/ruddy or rosy complexion.
    You have ZERO proof to allege the English translation of the ancient manuscripts have a racial bias towards Caucasian peoples.

  • Ms. Wife with a Purpose referred to Zandra Vranes and Tamu Smithas as fake Mormons (as in the above article) and not mentioned, despite as having been included in the Brigham U profiles of noteworthy members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. A reference reiterated by others in the twitter/blog universe.

  • I have trouble with words but this Post by Ardis Parshall captures most of my feelings.

    I think that some of the issue is that “Racist” has become so toxic an epithet that most people will do anything to deny it rather than really look at their own behavior and thoughts. It can be the conversational equivalent of a nuclear Bomb that completely shuts down the needed communication that will actually address the problem.

    I think the experience of Professor Bret Wienstien at Evergreen Collage is instructive in this regard.

  • Fake news! Just because a few idiots exist, the church and it’s teachings stand on solid ground.

  • [[[This is like smashing my head against a wall.]] Did you watch the video? Did you read what I wrote in my second paragraph about not oppressing those of a different race? What are you even talking about? No one said utopia, no one said a white guy should feel better than a black guy, no one said anyone was afraid.

    I laid out some very clear historical facts and expressed my desire to remain a majority in my homeland. This desire is one every race of people have in every country in which they are currently a majority. You are unable to properly engage with the question of why you are intolerant of whites who feel the same way. You have this inability because you’ve been so thoroughly duped by postmodern claptrap, probably while at college.

    EDIT: Look at this:
    I’m supposed to be happy about stuff like this? Accept it? Write that same article in another country about another race and you’d get run out of the country. Wake up.

  • Here we go with the whole “who has more or less pigmentation in their skin” fight again (and again and again), and what does that pigmentation mean in spiritual terms? Yes, some of us are tired of it. We are all people of color–more or less. Having more or less pigmentation does not cause one to be good, bad, believing, or speak or think in a certain way. Culture is different. Culture can be good or bad or indifferent. It can have both beautiful and ugly aspects. And culture changes over time. The culture of Western Europe and frontier America were conducive to the restoration of the Gospel and it follows that you have a lot of low-pigmentation families who were in on building the early Church and still in positions of importance. That is not to say the culture of persecuting Mormons, burning their homes, and vigilante justice had divine approval. The point is that not all cultures are created or stay equal. But every culture has good and bad in varying degrees over time. We need to separate culture from pigmentation. The amount of pigmentation Christ had on earth is irrelevant. He had some. Whether celestial beings have any pigmentation is open to question–maybe they do and maybe they don’t, but why does it matter at all other than for some cosmic game of trivia? Let’s focus on taking upon ourselves the culture of Christ as He has set it out in the commandments He has given and draw from every culture the very best ideas, customs, and traditions. We are working on it. We are getting there. No more pigmentation fights.

  • What are your credentials, or those of the people you keep quoting? Have YOU read the Old Testament in its original Hebrew? Because I was taught Old Testament and ancient Hebrew culture by a Hebrew scholar who has a doctorate from a Jewish university, from the original texts. And had HIS translations confirmed by multiple Jews, who know HEBREW.

    You keep asking me proof. You prove that the cultural bias of anti-Semitism throughout European culture circa AD 30 through the 1950s hasn’t infiltrated translations of the Bible. You prove that the educated nobility and Christian clergy didn’t have a bias against Jews.

    I could easily prove it, but I just lost my credentials for JSTOR, so cannot easily access the first and second degree accounts from original documents. And yet, throughout my studies of European history, there is only one Jew that was ever mentioned as meritorious: Jesus Christ. And every part of their culture worked hard to erase his Jewishness. Paintings, sculptures, etc of Jesus and Mary were all done with white European models, often resembling the nobility/pope who commissioned them. The multiple translations of biblical texts from Hebrew and Aramaic into Greek/Latin/German/English/etc obviously maintained the entirety of integrity from their original writing. Also, there are no accounts of Jesus Christ written at the time of his life. All of them were written well after his death, and mostly by people who didn’t actually know him and weren’t even from Israel.

    I realize that you are going to double down on your anti-Semetic beliefs, but you really need to use other sources for your data. Like maybe a few Jewish periodicals.

  • Why would you pray I’m not? My skin is white, if that’s what you mean.

    Perhaps you mean you would think less of me, knowing that my father is Choctaw. Maybe you’d think less of me knowing that one of my ancestors came from Nigeria? Perhaps it is the Serbian that fathered my grandmother? Maybe the only value you think I bring to this conversation is the extreme pallor that my mother’s half-Russian mother and Polish father gave me via genetics.

    But I repeat again, the “race” nomenclatures were developed in a specific bias towards paler skin, and against darker skin. “Negroid” “Mongoloid” “Caucasion” “American Indian” and “Malayan” were all created and used in an effort to divide people, and to elevate those with paler skin. The fact that you continue to perpetuate your comments along this line is very telling.

  • Perhaps the fact that you used a Greek to describe ancient Hebrews. That you use a destruction of vital documents as a proof that Jesus was white. Maybe its the fact that most Jews haven’t had a geographical connection to Israel in almost 2 millennia, due to being enslaved and moved across Europe… Maybe that is it. Maybe it is the cherry picked information that doesn’t take into consideration millions of pages of historical documents that describe in detail the Roman occupation and enslavement/slave migration of Jews.

  • Here we go again…………………you claimed that there was a conspiracy afoot by white Englishmen to translate the Greek and Hebrew so that there was a bias towards the Caucasian race.
    You can GASLIGHT all you want. The point remains that you have provided ZERO proof of that which you claim.

  • No……….it simply means we will get nowhere in conversation. I don’t talk to evolutionists. There is really no point.

  • Just out of curiosity………….why is believing that the 12 tribes of Israel were Caucasian……why is this anti-Semitic?
    Shem is where we get the name “semite” from. I believe Shem to be of Caucasian race.
    You accuse me of being anti-Semitic. What is your proof?

  • Nope. I researched further to see if comments made were one-offs made by one particular person. Wife with a purpose does not stand alone. as to attitudes generalized to non-whites who discuss how they are treated.

  • “An anti-Semite is a person a Jew hates. ”

    And this says it all. You are not an anti-Semite because you hate Bernie Madoff. Plenty of Jews hate Bernie Madoff. You’re an anti-Semite because you distort the world to support your hatred of Jews.

  • The Church is growing in Africa. It is not in many parts of the world. Inner city areas and the south in the U.S. is problematic for the Church. Growth rates are going down every year in spite of having 74,000 full time missionaries. If we did not have them, we would be in negative numbers. That does not look good for us. The other side of this is that our media machine tries to put this positive spin on growth. Christ on the other hand was not concerned with numbers. We need to look to Him as our leader.

  • I just don’t tie my sense of identity and self worth to whether my race enjoys dominance over others. I’m not threatened by immigrants and diversity. I’m quite content and happy interacting with people of diverse backgrounds and cultures. If your future lies in glories of the past, then get yourself a time machine. The rest of us will be busy moving forward.

  • you distort the world to support your hatred of Jews.
    And how did I do that?
    If I encourage a person to read Henry Ford’s “The International Jew”, is that an example of what you accuse me of?
    If I point to the fact that Lazar Kagonovich, being a Jew, was responsible for 40 to 60 million deaths of white Ukrainians…………is this also an example of what you accuse me of?
    If I were to point to the fact that the Jews dressed up as Arabs and bombed the British at the King David Hotel…………is this also an example?

  • “And how did I do that?” — by publishing half-baked and far-fetched (or downright debunked) conspiracy theories.

    Like “The International Jew”. Like when you blame Kagonovich, leaving out Molotov and Stalin.

    Like when you ignore the far longer history of (for example) Christian violence against Jews, and pick out isolated incidents. Or if, for example, you start explaining away why Christian violence against Jews was “justified”.

    I don’t know what your religious background is, but I am sure it would be easy to pick out similar slanders — and you would feel, and rightly so, that someone who encouraged people to believe in them was bigoted against you.

    That answer your question?

  • “Just out of curiosity………….why is believing that the 12 tribes of Israel were Caucasian……why is this anti-Semitic? ”

    Because it allows you to hate Jews and slander them while keeping your view of Christ “pure” and giving you a persecution complex.

  • How have I slandered Jews and ‘hated’ them? What would be the criteria for something to be “hate”?
    Bernie Madoff stole my father’s pension. I hate Bernie Madoff. Bernie Madoff is a Jew. Would this be an example of my hatred of Jews?

  • “…Like when you ignore the far longer history of (for example) Christian violence against Jews…
    Far fetched conspiracy theories. LOL. Hypocrite.

  • Guilt is what you do when you don’t want to do anything at all, but want to appear to be good.
    It reminds me a good deal of prayer.

  • This is where you demonstrate your — being delicate– ignorance and your bias.
    Just one simple example. The marriage contract of Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492 required the expulsion of all of the Jews from catholic spain.
    The irony is that they kicked out all of the educated, competent and intelligent people, many of whom were government administrators.
    As a side benefit: Despite the fabulous wealth pouring in from the plundered new world, which Spain used to build ever more grand cathedrals, but nothing useful, it began the long, slow decline of Spain, culminating in the defeat of the Spanish Armada. Spain, so very, very wealthy, became the backwater of Europe– the one house in the otherwise great neighborhood that had cars up on blocks in the front yard.

  • I had a friend who came home from a bar one night all beat up. He said he did nothing to encourage their behavior. He said a bunch of guys just didn’t like him and beat the tar out of him. Bummer I thought.
    But then every weekend he came home black and blue. And he always said he did nothing wrong. Just guys who didn’t like him. Different bars, every weekend, he came home beat up.
    After awhile, I just stopped believing him.

  • The first major defeat of the Spanish Empire, however, came in 1808 when Napoleon conquered Spain and ended the Spanish Inquisition. Freedom from the Inquisition is what allowed Simon Bolivar and other Latin American revolutionaries organize and fight for the political independence of Latin America from Spain. Even though Napoleon was eventually defeated (1812) and the restored Spanish monarchy tried to renew the Inquisition, by 1820, Spain no longer had any colonies in America.

  • Thank you for making the argument that every despised minority in history had it coming to them for being a despised minority.

  • The Armada was the first major defeat, I think. Everything went down hill after that. From my Spanish travelogue a few years ago….

    I also went to the Palacio Real itself, another monument to Bourbon profligacy and sticky fingers, started when Spain was still doing the backstroke in all of the wealth it had liberated from the New World. Spain became immensely rich and powerful because of that wealth. Unfortunately, they squandered that wealth on endless wars with the rest of Europe, because too much was never enough. They built the Armada to put a stop to the unmitigated gall of England demanding a share of that wealth without stealing it themselves from the former possessors, only to see it sink to the bottom of the ocean without either firing a shot or earning a peso. They built gigantic cathedrals which were pretty much monuments to and storehouses for that wealth, but which accomplished little otherwise except to make The Church richer than God.

    What they didn’t do with all of that wealth was invest in Spain, in education, in industry and science, or in people. By 1700, Spain was in decline in every way, though still wealthy and possessed of lots of really swell churches. By the early 1800’s, it was weak enough that Napleon was able to toss the Borbons out for a few years, placing his brother Joseph on the throne. Joseph had the same fondness for foreign wars that Napoleon, the Borbons, and the Hapsburgs had, so he was also fairly useless in doing something FOR Spain. Known as That Frenchman– even though he was, more accurately, That Corsican– he was never accepted as legitimate by the Spanish people. This was, not coincidentally, the time when Spain began to lose its colonies in the New World, cutting off the source of their wealth.

    He was also known derisively as Bottle Joe, though apparently he was as sober as a Presbyterian. It’s a long, involved pun that only makes sense in the original Italian, though this was Spain he was French. In English, you could say he reigned, but never poured– the very essence of an abstemious royal.

  • You have been spreading anti-Semitic literature, encouraging people to read it; you have been attempting to divorce Christianity from Jews, for what reason I don’t know — but every other person I’ve seen do that has wanted to do it to justify Jewish oppression.

    You’re allowed to hate Bernie Madoff. Plenty of people do. But you’ve gone *way* beyond that.

  • Pogroms are “conspiracy theories”? Violent expulsion from country after country’s a “conspiracy theory”?

    OK; you’re *way* too far divorced from reality to debate with any further, clearly.

  • Yea…………..that is what I thought about my friend who kept getting beat up every weekend and he always said he did nothing wrong.

  • anti-Semitic literature = information Jews hate.
    Jews are Edomites. “Who is Esau-Edom” by Charles Weisman.

  • My friend was not a minority. He came home repeatedly beat up over and over and he continued to insist he did nothing wrong.
    I began to suspect that he was exaggerating. And that there was MORE TO THE STORY. There is always a different side to the story.
    The winners write the history you know. It is imperative for all honest brokers of truth to listen to both sides and then come to a conclusion. Often times the truth is somewhere in the middle.

  • “…let the brown people speak. Because right now, you are taking their space….”
    What Chutzpa. Did you learn that at an “End Whiteness” conference.

  • Your friend is responsible for his own behavior. I agree with you 100% on your assessment. Getting consistently beat up at bars is a good indication of all kinds of dysfunctionalityvand self destructive behavior.

    Assigning whatever garbage you are assigning to an entire group of people, spread out over thousands of miles, centuries of time, and vast disparities of culture and history, and them blaming them for it is an entirely different matter.

    It’s much closer to an abusive husband beating the crap out of his wife and then telling her “don’t make me hurt you again.”

    Your parents did not raise you properly.

  • Your parents did not raise you properly.
    ROFLMAO. Thanks for the laugh. Good one. It would be so easy for me to step down to your level.

  • You continue to mischaracterize what I’m saying. Plus, that response reveals a naivete about race relations that ignores thousands of years of history as well as current racial group dynamics played out all over the world.

  • Given how some so called religious folks act on here, I can see how you might come to that conclusion. Not all people of faith arm themselves with those tools; some of us believe that shame and guilt are to a life of faith as oil is to water.

  • Well actually, since white people have oppressed and enslaved people of color for centuries, and STILL hold most of the political and economic power in the industrialized nations, I don’t think a fear of “End Whiteness” is a thing for anyone except white supremacists, bigots, and people with fragile white egos.

    But if there WAS an “End Whiteness” conference, it is probably in the conference center room next door to the white supremacist conference. #bigots #WhiteFragility #SkinColorIsNotACulture

  • Consensus reality. The one in which pogroms happened, and weren’t laughing matters.

    The fact that you would even consider them such is, well, enough of an indication of what a broken human being you are.

  • Notice that I used the term “con artists” so as to not confuse real believers with the fake ones.

  • I wonder if you fight against “white supremacy” with the same bravado you fight against brown supremacy and Jewish supremacy. Both have equal if not more responsibility for that which you state — “Enslaved people of color for centuries”. But you will never venture ‘there’.

  • No, consensus reality is that which allows us (well, most of us — you’ve managed to miss it, apparently) to actually have conversations about historical events, or things that aren’t immediately verifiable. I find it hilarious that you’re trotting out ancient texts as useful evidence of anything, and then denying the validity of consensus reality — but then again, you’ve provided ample evidence of insanity through this thread. By now, I admit, I’m just responding not to convince you, sine that’s hopeless, but to make everyone see how foolish you are.

  • The Holocaust is the perfect example. The entire world practically believes in the lie of the 6 million.
    And you Steven Schwartz, are part of that “herd”. But I think you already know that. And you don’t care. “Truth” is not a virtue with your people –.John 8:44; Rev 12:9

  • Thank you, now, for outing yourself completely. That’s why you’re an anti-Semite, Roy, because you consider 6 million dead people a lie, and a few lines in an old book a justification for believing in it.

    May your life be as narrow and miserable as your worldview.

  • LOL! Even your own historians agree the 6 million number is inflated. That is why they changed the plague at Auschwitz I think 3 times. But yet you parrot the same lie like all the other lemmings — the herd if you will.
    jan27 dot org

  • May your life be as narrow and miserable as your worldview

    Paul the Apostle said “to die is gain”. This world is the Devil’s and you are enjoying it. wonder why.

    Jesus said the road to Him was NARROW, and few will find it.

  • Go have fun with the flat earthers and the cavemen-riding-dinosaurs folks. Citing other Holocaust deniers is hardly persuasive.

  • Hello. Well, gosh, the water’s warm here. More like a hot spring, without, quite, the relaxed ambiance of a resort. I’m not a Mormon, and I’m not here to make an issue of my notness with you, although that last pronoun is, maybe, not so unified. I had a question, which, after my innate morbid curiosity impelled me to read every post, all the while dodging the fencing between comments, I find still unaddressed. Most here seem to be Mormon of one persuasion or another (the dissension doesn’t even approach that of protestantism, so you’ve really got to try harder; though the *immediacy* of sheer impolitesse far outweighs all but RCC inquisitorials; but no matter); and the outstanding ex-or-anti-Mormon is neither very clever nor in the least convincing: “Morm On”? C’mon, that was almost funny for as long as the split second it took me to read it; but my minor amusement never broke the surface into so much as a single chuckle. Go thou and be a non-Mormon, but with the understanding that comedy isn’t your forte; but do try and be useful. So, to my question: Just as white folks may not have joined the Nation of Islam in droves — if they were even allowed to, switching that around, why would…? I would favor a response from a bona fide black person, be they American or Otherwise; ’cause when white people think they are speaking for blacks, simultaneously issuing denunciations — blah blah and blah — it isn’t very convincing. Thank you. 🙂

  • Is White Genocide similar to Tibetan genocide? Absolutely it is! The Dalai Lama has spoken out several times against the conditions that Tibet is facing today. The region is subject to mass Han-Chinese immigration, and Native Tibetans are legally forced to assimilate, all without a vote for or against these policies taking place. These conditions intentionally lead to fewer and fewer Tibetans being born, thus making Han-Chinese the uncontested majority group in the area, and Tibetans nearly wiped out. It is a calculated plan to bring about the Tibetan’s physical destruction – which is genocide.

    “Jack Greenberg, the Jewish Lawyer Who Used Law as a Weapon To Desegregate America’s Schools”

    This is highly similar to White Genocide, where people of White European ancestry are forced to accept (without a vote on the matter) mass 3rd world immigration into their ancestral homelands, and are legally forced to assimilate with these imported 3rd world foreigners in the workplace and in their schools and communities, e.g. School desegregation was enforced literally at bayonet point.

    “Civil Rights,” “Desegregation,” “MultiCULTuralism, DIEversity, and the LGBTQ brainwashing of schoolchildren,” are all enforced by antichrist, tyrannical, Zionist Occupied Governments, all designed to miscegenate people of White European racial ancestry out of existence.

    Why aren’t there any Jewish organizations working to desegregate schools in Israel, so that Arabs can attend classes with Jewish schoolchildren? (((They))) only want to force desegregation and assimilation with non-whites, and non-christians, on White Christians.

  • Jewish politicians Behind The Hart-Celler Open Immigration Law of 1965 included: Senator Jacob Javits (NY); Congressman Emanuel Celler (NY); Leo Pfeffer (Former President of American Jewish Congress (AJC); Norman Podhoretz (Writer and Member of The Council on Foreign Relations,– former leftist, now a Jewish neo-con); Senator Charles Schumer; and Representative Elizabeth Holtzman.

    “For perhaps another generation, an optimistic forecast, the Jewish community is thus in a position where it will be able to DIVIDE AND CONQUER and enter into selective coalitions that support our agendas.
    — (Stephen Steinlight, National Director of the American Jewish Committee, writing in the article: “The Jewish Stake in America’s Changing Demography: Reconsidering a Misguided Immigration Policy.”)

  • Current U.S. demographic trends are not a natural occurrence, they are the result of a deliberate strategy by Zionist financial, political and media elites to open U.S borders to the 3rd world, in order to transform a united, homogenous White Christian society, into a bitterly divided, squabbling, multiracial population, which they can easily manipulate, as it is held together by nothing deeper than “the economy” which the (((tribe))) controls.

    “For perhaps another generation, an optimistic forecast, the Jewish community is thus in a position where it will be able to DIVIDE AND CONQUER and enter into selective coalitions that support our agendas.”
    — (Stephen Steinlight, National Director of the American Jewish Committee, writing in the article: “The Jewish Stake in America’s Changing Demography: Reconsidering a Misguided Immigration Policy.”)

    Jewish politicians Behind The Hart-Celler Open Immigration Law of 1965 included: Senator Jacob Javits (NY); Congressman Emanuel Celler (NY); Leo Pfeffer (Former President of American Jewish Congress (AJC); Norman Podhoretz (Writer and Member of The Council on Foreign Relations,– former leftist, now a Jewish neo-con); Senator Charles Schumer; and Representative Elizabeth Holtzman.

  • It is insanity, cuckoldry, to celebrate your own people becoming a minority in the nation founded by their ancestors, there is no other race of people on Earth that does this, except for people of White European racial origin. WATCH: “Why I Don’t Want to Become a Minority”

  • Dr Albert Schweitzer, who spent most of his life in Africa, “uplifting” Negroes, received the Nobel Prize for Peace in 1952. He held several doctorate degrees. Shortly before his death, he said:

    “I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa. There is something that all White men that have lived here must learn and know; that these individuals are a sub-race; they have neither the intellectual, mental or emotional abilities to equate or share in any of the functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try and bring them the advantages which our civilization must offer, but I have become well aware that we must retain this status; White, the superior, and they the inferior, for whenever a White man seeks to live among them as their equal, they will either destroy him or devour him, and they will destroy all his work; and so for any existing relationship or for any benefit to this people let White men from anywhere in the world who would come to help Africa remember that you must continually retain the status; you the master, and they inferior, like children that you would help or teach. Never fraternize with them as equals, never accept them as your social equals; or they will devour you; they will destroy you.

  • 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.
    Romans 1:26-27 “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    Leviticus 20:13If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 18:22Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

  • “Thus the ultimate authority for Orthodoxy is the Babylonian Talmud. The Bible itself ranks second to it in reality, if not in theory.” — {Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, “Authority” pg. 637)

    The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia says that Balaam is the name they use to denote Jesus Christ. “the pseudonym ‘Balaam’ given to Jesus in Sanhedrin 106b and Gittin 57a.”

    ♦ Jewish priests raised Balaam [Jesus] from the dead and punished him in boiling hot semen.(57a Gittin)
    ♦ She who was the descendant of princes and governors [The Virgin Mary] played the harlot with a carpenter (Sanhedrin 106a)
    ♦ [Jesus] was lowered into a pit of dung up to his armpits. Then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead. (Sanhedrin 52b) Also, says they gave him four different executions in Sanhedrin 106a.
    ♦ Hast thou heard how old Balaam [Jesus] was?”… bloody and deceitful men shall not live outhalf their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old.(Sanhedrin 106)
    ♦ Those who read the uncanonical books [New Testament] will have no portion in the world to come. (Sanhedrin 90a)
    ♦ Balaam [Jesus] fornicated with his jackass.(Sanhedrin 105a- b)
    ♦ Jews must destroy the books of the [Christians].Shabbath 116a)

  • Zionists publicly and ceremoniously burned hundreds of copies of the New Testament in Jerusalem on March 23, 1980. They were destroyed under the auspices of Yad Le’akhim, a Jewish religious organization subsidized by the Israeli Ministry of Religions.

    Haaretz (2008): ‘Orthodox Jewish Youths Burn New Testaments in Or Yehuda.’ Orthodox Jews set fire to hundreds of copies of the New Testament in the latest act of violence against Christian missionaries in the Holy Land.

    MK Michael Ben Ari (National Union), a member of the Israeli parliament tore up a copy of the New Testament and threw it in the trash, an act that was apparently caught on camera.,7340,L-4257174,00.html

    ♦ “Jews must destroy the books of the [Christians].” See Talmud, (Shabbath 116a)

    UK rabbi-politician Shneur Odze burns Christian Bible, sparking ire.

    — Is this a (((COHENcidence)))????

  • Western culture and Western civilization = White culture and White civilization, as it was originally created and sustained for thousands of years, in Europe, by the indigenous White peoples of Europe, also referred to as native Europeans.

    “Wife With A Purpose” isn’t the only young White female who understands this basic fact, a lot of young White women and girls now recognize this basic truth, and they are proudly speaking out! Here’s a couple.

    “Why I Don’t Want to Become a Minority”

  • Racial segregation as well as racial heirarchy, are supported by God, and enforced by the Israelites in Numbers 25:6-13, Deuteronomy 17:15, Deuteronomy 23:2-3, Joshua 23:12-13, Ezra 9:1-2, Ezra 10:2-3, Hosea 5:7, Sirach 13:14-16, Tobit 4:12, etc.

    It is the homosexual act that you choose to engage in, not your homosexual identity, that is evil. Scripture leaves no doubt that men having sex with men, and women having sex with women, is evil, a sin, an abomination.

    Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1:26-27.

  • KING DAVID is described as “RUDDY” in 1 Samuel 16:12, and 1 Samuel 17:42. The Lord Jesus Christ is a descendant of King David. Ruddy: adjective. (of a person’s face) having a healthy red colour:

    The ISRAELITES are described as “WHITE” and “RUDDY” in Song of Solomon 5:10 “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.” In Revelation 1:14, the LORD JESUS CHRIST is described as having a HEAD that is “WHITE AS SNOW” (Head includes face), in Lamentations 4:7, Nazarites are described as being “purer than snow, WHITER THAN MILK,” (Nazarites = ISRAELITES, Numbers 6:2)

    The alleged eyewitness account of the Lord Jesus Christ, supposedly given by Roman Consul Publius Lentulus, known as the “Letter of Lentulus” describes Jesus Christ’s face as being a comely red his eyes gray, clear and quick.”

    The description of Jesus Christ given in the “Letter of Lentulus,” bears more similarities to a painting of Jesus Christ by Dylann Roof (linked below) published in a New York Daily News article by Shaun King, than it does to recent politicized attempts to portray Jesus Christ as being a brown skinned anarchist, which is literally how Jesus Christ is described in the Patheos article entitled “Jesus didn’t get crucified for writing a strongly worded letter to the Sanhedrin.”!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

  • The article, “The only Jewish male hair ever found” (see link), discusses DNA tests conducted on ancient Israelite skeletons, dated to the 1st century BC, found in stone ossuaries next to the tomb of Annas, the high priest, father in law of Caiaphas, the high priest who betrayed Jesus Christ to the Romans. Hence it is thought that this shrouded man was either a priest or a member of the aristocracy. One of the more fascinating finds in this tomb, was the preservation of a sample of Jewish male hair. The length of the hair was medium to short, averaging 3-4 inches.
    The color was REDDISH.

    Have you ever seen a Black African, or an Oriental with Reddish hair?
    Reddish hair is common only to people of White European ancestry.

  • Judea’s demographic makeup around the time of Jesus Christ was primarily of Edomite ethnicity, as a result of Johanan Hycarnus’ forced conversion of the Edomites to Judaism in 130 BC and their absorption into Judean society, as recorded in “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13: Chapter 9, Section1.

    Modern Jewry is largely descended from Edomites who converted to Judaism in 130BC, not from the Biblical 12 Tribes of Israel. See Jewish Virtual Library — the most comprehensive online Jewish encyclopedia in the world.
    Hyrcanus conquered the whole of Idumea and undertook the forced conversion of its inhabitants to Judaism (Jos., Ant., 13:257ff.). Thenceforth the Idumeans became a section of the Jewish people, Idumea becoming one of the ordinary administrative districts of the Hasmonean state.
    The Historian Flavius Josephus states in “Wars” Book 2, Chapter 8, Section 2 that of the Pharisees, Sadducees and Essens, only the Essens were Israelites by birth, this indicates that the Pharisees and Sadducees (who Jesus Christ rebukes, e.g. See Matthew 16:1-4) were converts to Judaism, most likely of Edomite ethnicity, given Hycarnus’ forced conversion of Edom/Idumea to Judaism, and the fact that King Herod himself was an Edomite.

    In Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9, Apostle John speaks of imposters who “say they are Jews, and are not” labelling them the “synagogue of Satan.”

  • Meg Whaley is not of pure White European ancestry, she admits above that she has Amerindian, “Choctaw” and Negro racial heritage, she is mixed race. No point speaking with her. (Deuteronomy 23:2-3). Her tone and words ooze with hatred and jealousy of White Europeans, this is due to her tainted bloodline, she knows she can never excise her Asiatic Amerindian and Negroid genes to be pure again.

  • Well, hallelujah and pass the peanut butter. Who cares in the American marketplace what your preferred form of superstition is. You just make a great case for ending tax exempt status for your religion when you try to use it as proof of a “right” to harm others.

  • “preferred form of superstition.” — I see. So you are an atheist.

    1 John 2:22 “Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.”

    Previously you stated that you baptised someone in Mexico, so I had assumed you were a Christian.

  • Bible-based bigotry does not merit the dignity of being referred to as “religion”.

  • Thanks for proving the point that scriptures can be used to justify just about any personal hatred and prejudice. The abuse and personal interpretation of scriptures was used to justify slavery and the oppression of blacks, the subjugation of women, the mass murdering of jews, and now the hatred of gays. Sad, that folks like yourself and so many others are cherry pickers, looking for scriptures to support their hatred ignoring the words of Christ which simply say to love all. Apparently, haters love to follow the words of Moses and Paul, Those who love and care for others exhibiting compassion are the true followers of Christ.

  • Thank you for proving your TOTAL ignorance. Sadly or ironically, you still believe in shrunken heads, lampshades made out of skin and don’t forget the soap made out of jew’s fat. Ignorance is not a commendable virtue.

  • Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and Romans 1:26-27 clearly and unequivocally define homosexuality as a sin, an abomination, stating that those who participate in homosexual acts won’t inherit the kingdom of God.
    Apostle Paul stated in 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

    Christian scripture is absolutely clear — God and his laws stay the same!

    Matthew 5:18 “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    Hebrews 13:8 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

    Isaiah 40:8 “The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.
    Malachi 3:6 “For I am the Lord, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

  • “…she’s concerned with the birth rates of whites but it’s still hate. ….

    Wow……….being concerned with birth rates among Caucasians = HATE.

    Do you condemn China for being so homogenous? How about the Japanese….do you criticize them as well?
    Asia for the Asians……………African for the Africans……………..White nations open to EVERYONE.

  • The Dalai Lama, who won the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989, often speaks about the dangers of mass Chinese immigration into Tibet: “…the unabated influx of Chinese immigrants to Tibet, which has the effect of overwhelming Tibet’s distinct cultural and religious identity and reducing the Tibetans to an insignificant minority in their own country, amount to a policy of cultural genocide.” — Dalai Lama

    Is The Dalai Lama a “racist”, or does he get a pass from you anti-racists because he’s isn’t White?

    Given the Dalai Lama can say that Chinese immigration is transforming Native Tibetans into an insignificant minority in their own country, without being labelled a racist, why do politicians in European countries instantly get labelled as racists, or as neo-Nazi White supremacists, if they dare to state that 3rd World immigration is transforming the indigenous White European people of their country into an insignificant minority? Isn’t that a tad hypocritical?

  • ….the mass murdering of jews,…..
    Where is your proof to support this absurdity — that the Scriptures were used to justify the mass murder of jews.
    This is how lies get spread and then blown out of proportion. And then the whole world believes it.

  • According to a study published in 2011 by the University of Bielefeld on behalf of the Friedrich Ebert Foundation, a political foundation associated with the German Social Democratic Party, some 150 million Europeans view Israel as satanic.

    Israel has been described as the top threat to world peace, ahead of North Korea, Afghanistan and Iran, by an unpublished European Commission poll of 7,500 Europeans, sparking an international row.

  • Pictured on page 79 of Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s, “the Gulag Archipelago II” are the leading administrators of the greatest killing machine in the history of the world, “the gulags.” They are Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda, and Naftaly Frenkel. All six are Jews.

    The Jew Genrikh Yagoda was the People’s Commissar for Internal Affairs (NKVD) from 10 July 1934 – 26 September 1936.

    Below are direct quotes taken from the linked Israeli ynet article entitled: “Stalin’s Jews: We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish”,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    ♦ In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.

    ♦ An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

  • Muslims are Jews’ natural allies in Europe – Rabbi Pinchas Goldschmidt

    Rabbi Baruch Efrati, a yeshiva head and community rabbi in the West Bank settlement of Efrat, believes that Jews should celebrate that Europe is losing its Christian Identity, saying the Islamization of Europe is actually a good thing.,7340,L-4299673,00.html

    American Jewess Barbara Lerner Spectre, founder of The European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden, calls for destruction of Christian European ethnic societies, in a 2010 interview with Israeli IBA-News.

  • Check out, Blood Ritual by Philip de Vier. This book carefully evaluates historical claims of Jewish ritual murders of White Christian children that took place in Europe over several centuries.

    Saint Gabriel of Białystok was a six year old Russian boy murdered by Jews who drained him of his blood and used it in occult Jewish rituals. The six-year-old boy Gabriel was kidnapped from his home in the village of Zverki, 13 km from Zabłudów, Grodno Uezd (then Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, today’s Poland) during the Jewish Passover, while his parents, pious Orthodox Christians Peter and Anastasia Govdel, were away. Shutko, a Jewish arendator of Zverki, was accused of bringing the boy to Białystok, poking him with sharp objects and draining his blood for nine days, then bringing the dead body back to Zverki and dumping it.

  • Bible-thumpers are really the dregs of humanity. They are a lot like stale cotton candy, still all fluff but getting sticky, nasty.

  • Matthew 10:14 “And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”

  • The new face of Mormon racism, and the same old face of anti semitism.

    You people never change.

  • A more recent case of Jewish extremist antichristian barbarity that has all the hallmarks of a blood ritual. On November 29, 1979 Jewish Zionist extremists murdered Greek Orthodox Christian Father Philoumenos. They used a hatchet to butcher Archimandrite Philoumenos in the form of a cross. With one vertical stroke they clove his face, with another horizontal stroke they cut his cheeks as far as his ears. His eyes were plucked out. The fingers of his right hand were cut into pieces and his thumb was hacked off. These were the fingers with which he made the sign of the Cross.

    He was subsequently canonised as Greek Orthodox Christian Saint and Holy Martyr Philoumenos.

  • Please keep going. Keep up your jihad against Jewish people. show the world your sickness.

  • In a 2002 interview with American journalist Amy Goodman, Shulamit Aloni said that charges of antisemitism are “a trick we use” to suppress criticism of Israel coming from within the United States, for criticism coming from Europe “we bring up the Holocaust.”

    We always use the anti-Semitism trick or bring up the Holocaust.” — (Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni)

    On Palestinians, Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, Ovadiah Yosef had the following to say, as quoted by the BBC:
    “It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable. The Lord shall return the Arabs’ deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world.”

    ♦ “waste their seed” is a reference to Palestinian children.

  • Too bad a little dust off my feet won’t help you get the message that your hallelujah hypocrisy is the problem, not the cure.

  • I went and looked at your jewishvirtuallibrary source; it says the distinction was blurred — it does *not* support your “Modern Jewry is largely…”. “blurred” and “largely descended from” are not the same thing.

    I find it funny; your scholarship is bad, and even if you were right, it would not prove the point that Roy was trying to make, that Jesus was, somehow, risibly, a Caucasian.

  • Given that Israel has been involved in more wars than any of those countries in the last 70 years, that’s not surprising. What’s your point? That anti-Semitism is still too prevalent? Quite true. Roy Hobs, fortunately, is a particularly blatant and ignorant form of the disease.

  • “f the greatest killing machine in the history of the world, “the gulags.”

    Considering that the Gulags were not designated as extermination camps, I find this concept ridiculous, when you compare them to the much higher death tolls — and often *deliberate* death tolls — of the Holocaust. Of course, if you’re like Roy, you refuse to acknowledge that even existed.

    If we’re going to say that “Jews are bad because they ran the Gulag”, then, well, “Christians are bad because they ran the Holocaust, ran pogroms, etc., etc., and so forth.” And *everyone* is bad; the difference is that Jews do not try and justify the destruction of Christians as a result of their millenia of oppression, while some looney Christians have been claiming justification for the destruction of Jews for those same millennia.

  • From a theological POV, he’s absolutely correct; Christianity is idolatry as well as heresy, and for many, many years (in fact, until Europe began to become more secular) Jews were often better treated in Muslim countries than Christian ones. Simple history.

  • Thank goodness we live in a state where any church is not allowed to take over the state, because of idiots like you.

  • German anti-Semitism was heavily based in Luther’s writing — which he took from the Scriptures. Or are all the Christian anti-Semites like yourself in violation of the Scriptures?

    Oh — right. You don’t believe Jews were murdered, not that you don’t think it was justified.

  • “:Christian scripture says that God and his laws stay the same!”

    Why should anyone care what a heretic says?

  • Here is the original comment — “…The abuse and personal interpretation of scriptures was used to justify…mass murdering of jews…
    This is a strong and harsh accusation. But can it be proven? Absolutely NOT. And you Steven Schwartz (Jewish?) have only speculated. It is amazing to me how loose you play and allow others to play when if such a statement was made the other way around, you’d be screaming bloody murder. Hypocrite.
    Find me one member of the NSDAP who cites Luther and Scripture as justification for expelling Jews from Germany for how they ruined the Country under the Weimar Republic. Not to mention the machinations behind ww1.
    Not to mention the Red Cross never reported any wrongdoing in the work camps. But I’m sure the Red Cross is also anti-Semitic and was in on the conspiracy. (The Red Cross even said the water in the pool at Auschwitz met sanitation requirements for chlorine)
    Btw……….Luther was just crazy right. No justification for any of his writings. Nope. Jews have been expelled from White Nations over 100 times and all because Whites are just inherently racist/evil. Right. Sure. Jews are Angels. Never hurt anyone.
    Jesus had zero grounds for calling them “sons of the devil”.
    Henry Ford = Born anti-Semitic.
    Charles Linbergh = Born anti-semitic
    Father Charles Coughlin = Born anti-semitic
    Etc., etc.

  • The Mormon church has clearly expressed tolerance for gays outside its religious sphere. Yet you continue to attack.

  • In “Wars” Book 2, Chapter 8, Section 2, the Historian Flavius Josephus states that of the Pharisees, Sadducees and Essens, ONLY the Essens were Israelites by birth.
    “For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of which are the Pharisees; of the second, the Sadducees; and the third sect, which pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essens. These last are Jews by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have.”— Excerpt from “Wars” Book 2, Chapter 8, Section 2

    This indicates that the Pharisees and Sadducees, (who Jesus Christ rebukes, e.g. See Matthew 16:1-4) were converts to Judaism, most likely of Edomite ethnicity given King Herod was an Edomite, and Judea’s demographic makeup around the time of Jesus Christ was primarily comprised of Edomites who had been forcibly converted to Judaism in 130BC by Hasmonean leader Johanan Hycarnus, as recorded in: “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13: Chapter 9, Section1.

    P.S. King Herod was the son of an Idumean[Edomite] who had been forced to covert to Judaism.

    “Edom is in modern Jewry.” — The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, pg 41.

  • My scholarship is bad? How so? My comment quoted the most comprehensive online Jewish encyclopedia in the world — Jewish Virtual Library, as well as historian Flavius Josephus and I provided online links for the Jewish Virtual Library article for Edom/Idumea, and Flavius Josephus’ works, “Antiquities of the Jews,” Book 13, Chapter 9, Section 1 & “Wars” Book 2, Chapter 8, Section 2 from Tufts University in Massachusetts. Here they are again.

    Ancient Jewish Cities & Regions: Idumea/Edom

    Flavius Josephus’ “Antiquities of the Jews,” Book 13, Chapter 9, Section 1.

    Flavius Josephus’ “Wars” Book 2, Chapter 8, Section 2.

    Oxford Dictionary definition, Blurred: Not clear or distinct; hazy.

    “The distinction between Edomites and Jews was blurred by Johanan Hyrcanus’ forced conversion of Edom/Idumea to Judaism in 130BC” from Jewish Virtual Library, is telling us that Jews were no longer distinguishable from Edomites, as is recorded by historian Flavius Josephus in “Antiquities of the Jews,” Book 13, Chapter 9, Section 1.

    Hyrcanus took also Dora, and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befel them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

    Revelation 2:9 “I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.”

    Revelation 3:9 “Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”

  • Your mention of the Theologian Luther, reminded me of another Luther, one more relevant to the “White racism” which this article attempts to address — MLK. The (((MSM))) portrays Martin Luther King as being a good Christian family man — the epitome of a man of God. Yet, MLK had dozens of liaisons with prostitutes, White and Black, used church money to pay them and commonly beat them — all documented by the FBI and admitted by King associates. [See, Abernathy, R. (1989). And the Walls Came Tumbling Down. New York: Harper & Row.]

    MLK even spent the night before his assassination copulating with and beating White prostitutes. Recorded on the FBI surveillance tapes the “Reverend King” exclaims during intercourse, {“I’m f—ing for God!” and “I’m not a Negro tonight!”} [See Newsweek. (1998). Books: The Middle of the Journey, Taylor Branch’s Grand Civil-Rights History Rolls On. January19. p.62. Quoting from Pillar of Fire: America in the King Years 1963-65. Taylor Branch. Simon and Schuster.] The King records are so damning that the tapes and other FBI documents were sealed for 50 years.

  • Guilt is to the soul like pain is to the body…. it is simply information that something is out of sorts and needs to be addressed

  • Golly shucks us Utar Marmons are so clueless and out of touch with reality, yup yup yup every gosh darn one of us. Get real! The ignorant few do not reflect the rest of us that can actually have a clear perspective.

  • Golly shucks us Utar Marmons are so clueless and out of touch with reality, yup yup yup every gosh darn one of us. Get real! The ignorant few do not reflect the rest of us that can actually have a clear perspective…

  • True, I was being very Utahn in my thinking 🙂 The problem is that the ignorant few are the loudest, so they seem to be the majority (I hope they’re not). My wife is from Utah, and she’s noticed how living away from the bubble she’s become more open minded and less judgmental (and she was already one of the more open minded)

  • Jews were treated so well in Muslim countries, the Muslim authorities even allowed local Jews to drag the bodies of Christian clergy through the streets and fling them into the sea. Simple fact.
    Gregory V of Constantinople, the 234th Patriarch of Constantinople was arrested and, by order of Sultan Mahmud II, hanged on the front gate of the Patriarchate compound in his full Patriarchal vestments. The gate has been closed, locked, and not used since. After hanging for three days and being mocked by the passing crowds, his body was taken down and given to a group of Jews who dragged it through the streets of Constantinople before throwing it into the Bosphorus.

  • “….Christianity is idolatry as well as heresy,…..”
    It all makes sense now. No wonder. Steven Schwartz = Spirit of Anti-Christ. My words now will only be “pearls before swine”. See ya.

  • Let’s see, shall we?

    In an article in Ensign by ELDER Larry Lawrence in March of THIS YEAR. Sounds pretty official Mormon to me.

    The War Goes On is the title. Sounds so peaceful and tolerant, doesn’t it?

    Let’s go for the money shot: “The devil has been called “the great deceiver.”  He attempts to counterfeit every true principle the Lord presents. Remember, counterfeits are not the same as opposites. The opposite of white is black, but a counterfeit for white might be off-white or gray. Counterfeits bear a resemblance to the real thing in order to deceive unsuspecting people. They are a twisted version of something good, and just like counterfeit money, they are worthless. Let me illustrate.

    One of Satan’s counterfeits for faith is superstition. His counterfeit for love is lust. He counterfeits the priesthood by introducing priestcraft, and he imitates God’s miracles by means of sorcery.

    Marriage between a man and a woman is ordained of God, but same-sex marriage is only a counterfeit. It brings neither posterity nor exaltation. Although his imitations deceive many people, they are not the real thing. They cannot bring lasting happiness.
    God warned us about counterfeits in the Doctrine and Covenants. He said, “That which doth not edify is not of God, and is darkness” (D&C 50:23).”

    So what was it you were saying? no exceptions here for “outside its religious sphere.”

  • “When Luther turned his attention to the Jews, after he completed his translation of the Bible, he left behind “on the Jews and their Lies” for posterity.

    -Walter Buch” — head of the Nazi Party court.

    And they didn’t “expel” Jews from Germany; they discriminated against them and then attemtped to annihilate them.

    As for the rest, yes, I get it, you’ve gone full-bore “Elders of Zion.”

    As I said before, we’re fortunate that most Christians aren’t like you, and your kind is, as always, disgraced and on the lunatic fringe.

  • “Matthew 5:18 “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.””

    So I assume you keep kosher, obey shatnes, keep the Sabbath holy as is proper, etc., etc., and so forth, or are you just an Epikoros who comes up with justifications for obeying (and inflicting on others) the laws you like, and ignoring the rest?

  • It’s always good to see your irrational vitriol and madness in full flower, so people know to ignore anything else you might have to say.

    As someone else commented in this thread, a column on racism sure brought it out in full flower.

  • Your scholarship is bad because your quoted source doesn’t say what you claim it does. As I said before, and all your quoting doesn’t address, saying “the lines between X and Y were blurred” is *not* the same as saying “Therefore most X are now Y, not Z.”

    Though with your insane ramblings about blood purity above, I can see why you might thinks so, it’s simply not the case. You can quote things all you want — but if your quotes don’t support your conclusions, that’s bad scholarship.

  • From a Jewish POV, Christianity is — you set up a human as co-equal with the divine, and worship a graven image.

    But thank you for going away. 🙂


    Simple facts. So, are all Christians murderous religious bigots and lunatics? (Note: obviously, I don’t think so. But that’s the logical conclusion of nitwits like Weak119 here going on about individual people’s death and the mistreatment of their corpse. If one Patriarch’s death is so terrible, how much more the deaths of many, many people for religious ends?)

  • That’s because they’re “facts” only in the broadest sense — and so-called “Saint Gabriel” is one alleged case — and if you accept it, and refuse to accept the many testimonies of pogroms and massacres, all it says is that your blindness is deliberate, and your claims to fact and reason risible.

  • “The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

    “Blessed are you when men cast insults at you, and persecute you, and say all kinds of evil against you falsely, on account of Me.” Matthew 5:11

    The Road to Eternal Life is NARROW and only a few will find it.

  • You asked for a citation, you got one.

    Of course, your response was to ignore it (since apparently only out-of-context citations or Biblical quotes count as “evidence” to you), and continue patting yourself on the back.

    I suggest Matthew 7:21 and 1 Corinthians 13:13 to you, and consider whether what you and Strong are showing is anything even vaguely approximating “love”; for all men are your brothers, even those you want to stuff behind (((parentheses))), and if you do not love them… well, read Scripture to see what happens, since that’s all you appear to be capable of absorbing.

  • Your citation proves a “Final Solution”? You’ve got to be kidding yourself. Are you laughing while you type that. You know you are a fool. I’m sorry you were born an Edomite. There is hope for you, however.
    “So the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you angry? And why has your countenance fallen? If you do well, will you not be accepted? And if you do not well, sin lies at the door.” Genesis 4:6
    Do well Steven. And love Truth, no matter the cost.

  • 1) I never claimed it proved the Final Solution — there’s lots more evidence for that. You asked, and I quote: “Find me one member of the NSDAP who cites Luther and Scripture as justification…” And I did. I can’t find one who calls it justification for what you asked for, since that’s not what they did — like asking me to find proof the moon is made of green cheese.

    2) “And love Truth, no matter the cost.” I do. It’s why I believe the Holocaust happened, in the strong evidence of Tiktaalik for evolution, and that your antisemitism and Strongs119’s general bigotry are bad things.

    3) “You are now citing Scripture?!!!” Well, since you don’t accept the evidence of history, you don’t accept testimony from people you’ve prejudged liars, and don’t accept the evidence of science, I thought showing you you were wrong with Scripture might penetrate your skull.

  • Hi Roy, regarding your comment to (((Schwartz))), about hope for the salvation of Edomites, the prophet Obadiah foretells the complete annihilation of Esau’s Edomite offspring, which “Modern Jewry” descends from in Obadiah 1:9, and Obadiah 1:18, the much-exaggerated “holocaust” is a likely foretaste of this.

    The Edomites were conquered by John Hycarnus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants.” See [The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, New Revised Edition, 1966]

    Romans 9:13 “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.Genesis 36:9 “And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:”

    Obadiah 1:9 “And thy mighty men, O Teman, shall be dismayed, to the end that every one of the mount of Esau may be cut off by slaughter.

    Obadiah 1:18 “And the house of Jacob shall be a fire, and the house of Joseph a flame, and the house of Esau for stubble, and they shall kindle in them, and devour them; and there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau; for the Lord hath spoken it.”

  • Speaking of the protocols of the “Elders of Zion,” the specter of Las Vegas casino billionaire, Sheldon Adelson (an Israeli citizen) controlling the Republican Party presidential nomination process is “straight out of the pages of the protocols of Zion,” leading “left wing Zionist” Uri Averny has said.
    He summoned to his Las Vegas betting paradise the four most probable Republican candidates for the next presidential elections, in order to choose one of them. All the invitees heeded the summons, of course. It was a shameless exhibition. The politicians groveled before the casino lord. Mighty governors of important states did their best to sell themselves like applicants at a job interview. Each of them tried to trump the others in promising to do the Mogul’s bidding. Flanked by Israeli bodyguards, Adelson grilled the American hopefuls. And what was he demanding from the future President of the United States? First of all and above everything else, blind and unconditional obedience to the government of another state: Israel. Adelson is one of the richest Jews in the world. He is also a fanatical rightist – not only an American rightist, but also an Israeli one. “While he is now looking for the best American president money can buy, he has already chosen his Israeli stooge. I wonder how ordinary Americans react to this spectacle of one billionaire – especially a Jewish one – choosing their next president for them. We are told that anti-Semitism is on the rise in Europe and across the globe. And here we have a Jew, straight out of the pages of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, trying to appoint the ruler of the mightiest country on the planet.

  • Matthew 15:11 “Not what goes into the mouth defiles a man; but what comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.”

    Mark 7:18-19 “So He said to them, “Are you thus without understanding also? Do you not perceive that whatever enters a man from outside cannot defile him, 19 because it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and is eliminated, thus purifying all foods?”

    (In saying this, the Lord Jesus Christ declared all foods clean.)

  • Speaking of racism, Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, Ovadiah Yosef’s views were republished by the official Jewish Telegraphic Agency, see below:

    ♦ “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel.”

    ♦ “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat,” he said to laughter during a weekly sermon.

    ♦ “With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.

  • “If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value,” he explained. “There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.” – Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh in Jewish Week, the largest Jewish publication in the United States.

    Interpol hunts two Israelis, Moshe Harel and Zaki Shapira, for Kosovo organ trafficking.

    — Is this a (((COHENcidence)))???

  • Former heads of state call on EU to set up state surveillance of ‘intolerant’ citizens.

    The European Council on Tolerance and Reconciliation (ECTR), a “tolerance watchdog” launched under the leadership of former Polish president Aleksander Kwasniewski and MOSHE KANTOR, President of the European Jewish Congress, CALLED FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF GOVERNMENT SURVEILLANCE BODIES to directly monitor the “intolerant” behavior of identified citizens and groups.

    The EU is a Zionist controlled project, as the French historian, and philosopher Voltaire allegedly said, “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.” So called “holocaust denial laws” exist in 12 EU countries, Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, and Romania, where historians and scientists are thrown into prison if they dare publish research where the conclusion reached differs from the government approved Holocaust story. The case for the 6 million holocaust figure and the existence of gas chambers is so flimsy, it literally relies on threatening historians and scientists with prison in order to ensure the outcome of their research aligns with the official holocaust story.

  • Even before Johanan Hycarnus forcibly converted the Edomites to Judaism, [130BC] and absorbed them into Judean society, the Kingdom of Judea was already a shadow of its former self, with only a tiny remnant of true Israelites inhabiting it, as most had been deported by King Nebuchadnezzar II beginning with the deportation of 10,000 Israelites in 597BC, (2 Kings 24:14) and followed by the deportation of a sizeable portion of Judea’s population in 587BC, (See 2 Chronicles 36:20, 2 Kings 25:11-12, Jeremiah 39:9-10) with ONLY 42,360 of these Israelites ever returning to Jerusalem and Judea (Ezra 2:64-65). This small remnant of Israelites in Judea, was subsequently submerged by Edomite converts to Judaism, following Johanan Hycarnus’ forced conversion of Edom/Idumea to Judaism in 130BC, See: Flavius Josephus’ “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13, Chapter 9, Section 1).

    Greek geographer, philosopher, and historian Strabo further testifies to the colonisation of Judea by Edomite converts to Judaism in Geography [Bk 16.2.34].

  • He is quoting Jewish sources, here are the links in case you are interested.

    Modern Jewry cannot prove lineage to the biblical 12 tribes of Israel. See: Unedited 1906, Jewish Encyclopaedia, subheading, “Loss of Genealogies”:
    “It is assumed that under Herod I. all genealogical rolls kept in the Temple were destroyed” (Sachs, “Beiträge,” ii. 157).

    ♦ “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (pg 3 of the 1980 Jewish Almanac).

  • You wrote: “white people have oppressed and enslaved people of color
    for centuries”

    — Why do you selectively focus on White European people Meg? ♦ Why do you ignore the fact that African Negroes suffered centuries of slavery at the hands of brown skinned Arabic Muslim slavers!

    “The African continent was bled of its human resources via all possible routes. Across the Sahara, through the Red Sea, from the Indian Ocean ports and across the Atlantic. At least ten centuries of slavery for the benefit of the Muslim countries (from the ninth to the nineteenth).” He continues: “Four million slaves exported via the Red Sea, another four million through the Swahili ports of the Indian Ocean, perhaps as many as nine million along the trans-Saharan caravan route, and eleven to twenty million (depending on the author) across the Atlantic ocean.” — (Elikia M’bokolo writing in Le Monde diplomatique, April 1998)

    P.S. Here is the (((tribe))) who brought the Negro to America.

    The (((World Masters))) of Slavery Documentary HD.

  • Overwhelming evidence demonstrates that the original Native Americans were White Europeans.

    The Washington Post published a longish article (“Radical theory of first Americans places Stone Age Europeans in Delmarva 20,000 years ago“). Or check read the Independent article, entitled: “NEW EVIDENCE SUGGESTS STONE AGE HUNTERS FROM EUROPE DISCOVERED AMERICA”
    Here’s an excerpt: “The Solutrean (European originating) Native Americans were either partly absorbed by the newcomers (Asian-originating Indians) or were substantially obliterated by them either physically or through competition for resources.”

    The remains of the Windover Bog People were discovered in January 1982 during the construction of a new road near Titusville, Florida. The discovery yielded the skeletons of 168 men, women and children dating back over 7000 years ago. DNA testing indicated these people were of European descent indicating some of the first peoples in America were White.

  • The Lovelock cave giants archaeological discovery could be an example of the ancient European inhabitants of North America meeting a violent end at the hands of Asiatic originating Amerindians.
    The Paiutes, a Native-American tribe indigenous to parts of Nevada, have an oral tradition that they told to early white settlers of the area about a race of red-haired, white giants or ‘barbarians’ that their ancestors referred to as the “Si-Te-Cah.” The story was written down in 1882 by Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, daughter of a Paiute Indian chief in her book:
    “Life Among the Piutes: Their Wrongs and Claims.”

    These “giants” were described as vicious, unfriendly and cannibalistic. In this story, the Paiutes speak of a great battle that took place which led to their extermination at site known today as Lovelock Cave. “Si-Te-Cah” or Saiduka literally translates as “tule-eaters” in the Northern Paiute language. The tule is a fibrous water plant, which according to legend, the giants wove into rafts to escape attacks by the Paiute.

    “Red Haired Giants & Sitecah – Lovelock Cave, Nevada”

  • In June 2012, while serving as UN special representative on migration, Peter Sutherland, stated that the EU should “do its best to undermine” the “homogeneity” of its member states. LET THAT SINK IN! The UN’s special representative on migration, Peter Sutherland, stated that the EU should deliberately use immigration from the 3rd world to undermine Europe’s racial demographics, i.e. reduce Native White Europeans as a percentage of Europe’s population.

    Peter Sutherland’s Migration Legacy Punctured: In-Depth Look At The Father of Globalisation.

  • Are the indigenous White peoples of Europe supposed to believe that the leftist EU bureaucracy accidentally forgot to include Christianity, which is the religion held by a majority of Native White Europeans, but made sure to include the religions held by Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and Muslim minorities?
    The European Commission has come under fire for producing more than three million copies of an EU diary for secondary schools which contains no reference to Christmas but includes Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and Muslim festivities.

    More than 330,000 copies of the diaries, accompanied by 51 pages of glossy information about the EU, have been delivered to British schools as a “sought after” Christmas gift to pupils from the commission.

    While the euro calendar marks Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish and Chinese festivities as well as Europe Day and other key EU anniversaries, there are no Christian festivals marked, despite the fact Christianity is Europe’s majority religion.

  • American Jewess Barbara Lerner Spectre, moved to Sweden and founded Paideia – The European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden. In a 2010 interview with Israeli IBA-News Barbara Lerner Spectre stated:

    “Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think WE are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that THEY once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. THEY are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of OUR leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.”

    — Oh look, another (((COHENcidence))).

    There is no place in modern europe for ethnically pure states, that’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.” – (((Wesley Clark)))

    Wesley Clark told The Jewish Week in New York, that his ancestors were not just Jews, but members of the priestly caste of Kohens.

    The “leading Jewish role” in forcing multiculturalism onto Europe took on a hyper violent, murderous form, with the 78 day NATO bombing of Orthodox Christian Serbia, in 1999, led by the Jewish NATO general Wesley Clark, which tore away Serbia’s Orthodox Christian heartland, Kosovo and handed it over to the Narco, organ trafficking Islamic Albanian KLA.

  • The hypocrisy of the ADL is apparent when comparing their statement advocating for a “Jewish majority” in Israel, to their statement condemning Patrick Buchanan for lamenting that White Americans are a shrinking demographic.
    The Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith (ADL) is the leading Jewish advocacy organization in the USA, their article: “ADL Re-Releases Report on ‘Unrepentant Bigot’ Pat Buchanan” condemns Buchanan, stating:

    In Buchanan’s most recent book, “Suicide of a Superpower,” released in October 2011, he laments that the United States is becoming an increasingly diverse country, that minorities will soon outnumber white Americans and that the country “is disintegrating, ethnically, culturally, morally, politically.” Buchanan is particularly concerned with the increase in the Hispanic population in the United States, which he equates with the demise of America’s white European heritage.
    But in an article entitled, “Peter Beinart Is Right, but for the Wrong Reasons” the ADL states: “If Israel were to hold on to all the territory, the demographic challenge would emerge in full force, with the ratio of Jews to Arabs in a single state initially at or near the 50 percent mark. This would make the concept of a Jewish and democratic state, the hallmark of Israel throughout its history, a practical impossibility. A truly Jewish state can exist, as it does now, only with an overwhelming Jewish majority.
    With historically high birth rates among the Palestinians, and a possible influx of Palestinian refugees and their descendants now living around the world, Jews would quickly be a minority within a bi-national state, thus likely ending any semblance of equal representation and protections. In this situation, the Jewish population would be increasingly politically – and potentially physically – vulnerable. It is unrealistic and unacceptable to expect the State of Israel to voluntarily subvert its own sovereign existence and nationalist identity and become a vulnerable minority within what was once its own territory.

  • Yea…that is my “White” Altruism shinning through. The reason we are in this mess in the first place! 🙂

  • More sickness.

    What is it about hyper conservative religion that brings out the viciousness, hatred, contempt, fear, death wishing, and absolute cray-cray of believers?

    What is wrong with you people?

    Oops, I already answered my question. what a world you live in!

  • Oh, my!!!!!! I don’t know which is crazier:

    Your hysterical, finger wagging anathema over someone disagreeing with you, or your belief that the all knowing god would have the need to call on Super Special You to provide testimony in case he wasn’t sure.

  • We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of….”

    Definition of Posterity — the offspring of one progenitor to the furthest generation.
    Emma Lazarus was not part of the formation of the Constitution.

  • You have to wonder why these same people don’t get up in arms over the lack of diversity in places like Japan and China. And then we get branded a conspiracy theorist for suggesting ‘diversity’ in America is done under malicious purposes. I wonder if they ever bother to ask the question as to ‘why’? Why are only white nations being “diversified”.
    Asia for Asians………………Africa for Africans………..White nations open to everyone. The Cultural Marxists don’t seem to have a problem with this. Wonder why?

  • There is a lot of misinformation in your theories. First of all we don’t use skulls to determine ancestry anymore. We use DNA. The ancestors of native Americans were not white Europeans. There is no DNA evidence pointing to such a link. Native Americans have Asian ancestry which diverged 23000 years ago. This attempt to retcon Native American history is contemptible.

  • Sorry to inform you but Pandora’s box is already open and it’s contents are forever liberated. Face it America will forever be a multiracial country. You want to increase “white power” through population density, you’re gonna have to increase funding for social programs in the south that encourage the formation of larger families. But that sounds like socialism which last I checked conservatives don’t view in a positive light. So you’re left with discrimination policies which will never go well in an increasingly diverse country. Implementing selective immigration laws based on race and religion won’t go over well with the courts. You may have short term victories but that will eventually change as demographics change. Deportation of illegal immigrants can only go so far because there are industries that need cheap migrant workers to do the jobs white Americans have become too good for. Eugenics and Nazi concentration camps? Have fun trying to implement that and see how society responds. Voter suppression laws are short term solutions that will go by the way side eventually. You can try making it harder for women to abort unwanted pregnancies but that still won’t be enough unless you want to employ a nationwide policy of raping single white women and forcing the pregnant ones to carry the pregnancies to term. Now you’re a deplorable criminal devoid of basic human decency. Isn’t it so much easier to let your fears go quietly into the night and just live a stress free life?

  • Now you’re a deplorable criminal devoid of basic human decency. Isn’t it so much easier to let your fears go quietly into the night and just live a stress free life?
    So I take it you are totally onboard with the decline of Western Civilization. Are you Caucasian by chance?

  • “I wonder how ordinary Americans react to this spectacle of one billionaire – especially a Jewish one – choosing their next president for them.”

    They’re probably used to it, aside from the “Jewish” part; look at the radical Christian Mercers, for example.

    Adelson is also an interesting exception because, well, if you look at it, Jews traditionally vote Democrat. Grilling Republican hopefuls to do what you want is something the ultra-rich do, regardless of their religious views.

    But, as usual for an anti-Semite, you will happily pick one person or one persons’ comments out as exemplars, in a way that you wouldn’t imagine doing for Christians or “whites” (since the definition of white has changed over the years, it’s really just a designation for whom the Powers That Be have decided is acceptable.)

  • In other words, “not one jot or tittle except where we find a way to make an exception”. SOme people would find that a contradiction between these two, if they were looking at it without the notion that anything in the New Testament *must* be right.

    Also, you still haven’t addressed the other aspects of the Law; or is that your way of saying, again, “We keep the laws we want, and throw out the ones we don’t?”

    (This, BTW, is why religious Jews think of Christians as just heretics; they come in, claim that they have new authority to overturn old laws, etc.)

  • And what if I am? Western Civilization isn’t in decline. If by western civilization you mean the spread of western values, education and technological expertise, it’s thriving. As more immigrants move over, their descendants end up adopting a secularized western view of life in greater proportion. They eventually end up identifying more with the values and lifestyle of this country. And as they become more secularized, their birth rates will drop and even out as their women become more independent and empowered to pursue lives beyond simply raising kids. As their standard of living goes up, they start engaging in family planning.

  • And what if I am?
    Wake up then. Your ancestors are rolling in their graves. Have some respect for what they did for you.
    If not…………your writings make sense.

  • There is no DNA evidence? Maybe you didn’t see my post to you regarding DNA studies conducted on the so called Windover Bog mummies. Here it is again.

    The remains of the WINDOVER BOG PEOPLE were discovered in January 1982 during the construction of a new road near Titusville, Florida. The discovery yielded the skeletons of 168 men, women and children dating back over 7000 years ago. ♦ DNA testing indicated these people were of European descent indicating some of the first peoples in America were White.

    The following article from the BBC discusses research conducted by the University of Copenhagen, which discovered DNA evidence showing the European origins of Native Americans date back 24,000 years.
    Scientists [at the University of Copenhagen] have mapped the genome of a four-year-old boy who died in south-central Siberia 24,000 years ago. It is the oldest modern human genome sequenced to date, researchers report in the journal Nature. The results provide a window into the origins of Native Americans, whose ancestors crossed from Siberia into the New World during the last Ice Age. They suggest about a third of Native American ancestry came from an ancient population related to Europeans.

  • Altruism by Dr William Luther Pierce.

    “It is wonderful that we [people of White European racial heritage] care about one another, that more than in any other race there are among us individuals who really do feel the pain of others. It is wonderful that many of us want to preserve the rain forests of South America and the great wild beasts of Africa for their own sake. Whenever one of these United Nations commissions is organized to protect some part of our natural environment on this planet, I have a strong suspicion that all of the non-White members on the commission are there strictly for window dressing and for the stipend they receive for lending their non-White faces to the commission. Certainly, were it not for specifically White sensibilities, there would be no one combating the fur trade or trying to save the whales or the redwoods or anything else.” — Dr William Luther Pierce.

  • Congratulations then. So a third of Native American ancestry can be attributed to Europeans. That still lives two-thirds. Not enough to justify your claim that whites should be a majority.

  • Regarding organ trafficking, according to the UN between 100 to 300 victims mostly ethnic Serbian Orthodox Christian residents of Kosovo were kidnapped by the Islamic Albanian KLA and subsequently had their ORGANS harvested, many whilst still alive, (all of them dying shortly afterwards or during the operation) with their organs sold to (((wealthy foreigners))).
    SEE The UN document linked here:

    In 2010, the Jerusalem Post considered Bernard Kouchner (co-founder of Médecins Sans Frontières) the 15th most influential Jewish person in the world.

    Bernard Kouchner reacted violently after journalist Aymeric Caron told him that “Kosovo is a failed, mafia state whose bosses traffic drugs”.

    “You are sick… How do you imagine organ trafficking in a country in which hospitals are without electricity,” said Kouchner as guest on French TV “France 2”.

    Maybe the Jew Kouchner thinks the Council of Europe is sick as well? “Kosovo PM Hashim Thaçi is head of human organ and arms ring, Council of Europe reports”

    On 15 July 1999, pursuant to Security Council Resolution 1244, UN Secretary General Kofi Annan nominated the Zionist Jew supremacist Bernard Kouchner as the second UN Special Representative and Head of the United Nations Interim Administration Mission in Kosovo (UNMIK). He was replaced on 21 January 2001 by Danish Social Democrat Hans Hækkerup.

  • P.S. Further to my previous comment, Medecins sans frontieres (MSF) is little more than a CIA asset, masquerading as an aid organization. It’s pretence at altruism is a total sham.

    The following excerpts are from the linked article titled: “Solidaire — NATO used military operations data and assessments in Kosovo obtained by Medecins sans frontiers (MSF)”

    NATO has used in its military operations data and assessments that were obtained in Kosovo and Metohija by members of the allegedly humanitarian organization of Medecins sans frontieres (MSF) said a number of articles published in the Belgian weekly Solidaire, stressing that there can be no talk of the independence and objectivity of the chiefs of that organization calling itself humanitarian.

    That became absolutely clear when the Greek section of Medecins sans frontieres was expelled from the organization because its members extended aid to Serbs in Pristina during NATO’s bombing.

  • The Luciferian practices of America’s Zionist elites shown in the below video on Dark Secrets inside Bohemian Grove, and the below statement by Rabbi Ishmael Levitts, bear similarities to the ancient practice of burning infants to death on the arms of the flaming hot idol of Moloch/Molech(Satan), as is recorded in Leviticus 18:21, Leviticus 20:2-5, 2 Kings 23:10, Jeremiah 32:35.

    “It is in the Jewish interest. It is in humanities interest that the whites experience a genocide. Until white children are burned alive, white woman raped, mutilated, murdered and white men who have not been slaughtered watch powerlessly as their people are terrorized; only then will mankind be on a more equal footing, ready to discuss white privilege and the apparent chip on the shoulders minorities have.” ~ Rabbi Ishmael Levitts)

  • Below is an example of the perverted evil that happens when you put pre-Adamic, non-white beasts in charge of White ADAMIC European children! The bible prohibits allowing foreign races [Strangers] to rule over your people!

    e.g. Deuteronomy 17:15 “Thou shalt in any wise set him king over thee, whom the Lord thy God shall choose: one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee: thou mayest not set a stranger over thee, which is not thy brother.”
    North Birmingham Academy is a school with 800 pupils, of which about 300 are white. The headmaster is Amani Kwambai, a Kenyan immigrant. He decided to launch a project encouraging pupils to date pupils from other racial groups. This project is to be expanded to other schools in the UK.

    Kwambai said: “Come on white girls! You must date a black or Asian boy!”

    Those pupils not willing to make an effort into inter-racial dating will be given counselling to determine whether their decision is based in racism.

  • That’s fake news. South Africa Today? Why would a South African paper be publishing news in the UK when no reputable UK paper is reporting it.

  • What ‘dirt’ would Steven Schwartz say about Dr. William Luther Pierce? (((Schwartz))) is the king of character assassination. Henry Ford, Charles Lindbergh, Father Charles Couglin……….all born anti-semites/racists haters with low IQ.
    Btw………I just read “The Jews and their Lies” by Luther. What a joke. There is nothing in there that would warrant a Nation of people to commit genocide of the Jews because of Luther’s writings. That is such a HUGE leap in conjecture. IN FACT……Luther fell for the lie that the Jews are God’s chosen. So………..the last thing Schwartz should be doing is blaming Luther for the alleged holofraud. If anything, he should support Luther as Luther wrote the Jews were/are the chosen. We are telling people that they are not. Schwartz should applaud Luther.
    I found this to be of interest from the ‘Introduction’ section —
    “When we set out to find the book in its original language and when we proceeded to have it translated, we were shocked and amazed at the interference we encountered from a wide variety of sources. Two different translators were made victims of intimidation, and only after a rather dramatic experience were we able to complete its translation in spite of its brevity. In effecting the translation of this work we became increasingly convinced that a well organized plot to keep this book hidden exists.”
    Just let that sink in for a moment. The Jews are supposedly this persecuted people with no political or economic power. Yea right. So much so they are able to convince Germany to throw old women in jail (Ursula Haverbeck) for questioning the 6 mill lie.
    Jews are Angels…………Innocent and pure. Never doing wrong ever. The Jews were expelled from White Nations over 100 times in history and all because of inbred racism with nothing to do with the Jew’s actions.

  • You do realize America isn’t Europe, right? If anything, you are saying white people should give America back to the Native Americans.

  • I don’t trust the source of that article but if such a case really did happen then the UK police system is deeply flawed. That still doesn’t make all muslims rapists if that’s what you’re implying. How many catholic priests accused of sexual abuse have seen a jail cell?

  • Actually, albino indigenous people from south and central America have red hair. Some albino people from Asia also have red hair. You are looking very hard to prove Jesus Christ was a white man. But there are no first-hand documents to prove it. And the second hand accounts are all written years street he died, by people who didn’t know him.

  • Maybe I’m focusing on white European slavers because the LDS church was founded by a white American, and NEVER had it’s general leadership offices anyplace but in the USA.

    And maybe you’re bringing up slavery perpetuated by people of color as a way to skew focus because you are feeling discomfort in your privilege. #sealion #gaslighting #lookawaylookaway

  • Song of Solomon isn’t in any Hebrew documents. I count it as apocryphal and likely written by an Englishman.

    Not sure why people think that God is speaking about skin color when white and pure are used as descriptors. Especially when Mormons use an example of crude oil passed hand to hand as an example of sin. All of that whiteness is referring to a lack of black marks on the soul.

    Meanwhile the question begs asking: is there something wrong with Jesus being brown skinned? Is there something wrong with the son of God not being white? (I remind you that lds doctrine trades that everyone is a child of God, even the brown people. )

  • Obviously you only know white people. Because everyone blushes, even the darkest skinned person blushes. Their skin flushes Edith blood and the undertones deepen.

  • I don’t think you really thought out what you wrote. Because if you had you would have realized that a sea lion post is #gaslighting, and merely a pathetic attempt to sideline the topic.

  • There is a big difference, do you think that if a White professor had said, “Let the F****NG Blacks die” that he would have been allowed to keep his job? We both know the answer to that is no! He would’ve been fired within the hour of having made such a statement. But the Black “professor” is allowed to keep his job.

  • He said white conservative. MSNBC is supposed to a be a progressive media outlet. Why would they be hiring conservatives?

  • The people are outraged, the campus is closed and law makers are calling for his removal from his post. Seems like he’s getting the treatment he deserves. What’s the problem?

  • I can provide endless examples of Government programs aimed at erasing any trace of homogenous White Christian society. e.g. check out this example of blatant antichristian discrimination in the UK.

    If you don’t allow the school to take your child to the Mosque, you will be investigated & your child will be labelled a racist!

    Multifaith diversity is condemned in Exodus 23:33. Both 2 John 9-11 and 2 Corinthians 6:16-18 instruct Christians to separate themselves from the followers of non-Christian religions. 1 John 2:22 states that those who deny that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, meaning the followers of non-Christian religions and atheists, are antichrists.

  • The Bible also says suffer a witch to live so if you wanna start burning women Salem style, good luck finding popular support. You lose me when you use the Old Testament to justify discrimination. Those passages could be used to justify genocide as you know the Israelites pretty much wiped out gentile populations as they took over Canaan. Today, that would be a war crime and the idea of removing undesired populations from the nation brings to mind memories of Hitler kicking out the Jews from Germany whom he blamed for Germany’s economical problems. There’s also this thing called freedom of religion and the separation of church and state guaranteed by the constitution so unless you want the US to become the Christian equivalent of a sharia state, have at it.

  • The Old Testament was the only form of Scripture used by the Lord Jesus Christ who often quoted from it, as did St Paul, St Peter, St John the Evangelist, other New Testament authors and the first Christian community. Many Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Liturgical texts and prayers are taken from the Old Testament e.g Psalms. The reading of the Old Testament occurs during ecclesiastical periods, great feast days, and on a daily basis in certain services. During all these services, biblical representation is exclusively from the Old Testament. In the liturgical life of the Church, some of the books of the Old Testament are read in their entirety (Genesis, Proverbs, Isaiah and Jonah)

    I recommend that you also take into consideration Isaiah 40:8, Matthew 5:18, Hebrews 13:8 and don’t forget 2 Timothy 3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

    Since I “lost you” by mentioning Old Testament verses, especially since you said, certain OT verses justify acts of genocide, let me ask you what is your opinion on the New Testament verse Luke 1927 “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

  • Context matters. That scripture was part of a parable concerning a rich man who left some of his wealth with his servants to invest in before going on a trip only to find out upon his return that some of his servants did not recognize his authority while he was away and violated his commands. He was declaring their punishment in that verse you quoted. It wasn’t a justification for genocide.

  • I grew up as a white mormon here in Scotland from age four to eleven years of age. That was between 1982-1989.

    Now I don’t care what the LDS administrations have changed since then, but when I grew I was taught to be a RACIST!

    Over and over I was taught that dark skin was the marker that god chose to show the Ancient inhabitants of the Americans and the ancient inhabitants of the old bible days (cain and able etc) what tribes were bad and which were good (and of god).

    White skin was the marker of good and of god, dark skin was the mark of evil and bad – which was not of god! …imagine teaching this to children every Sunday at church, every family home evening, every church arrangement and special occasion!

    Age four to eleven are some very special times for a kid, it is when our view of the world is shaped. Unfortunately the mormon organisation brainwashed me into becoming an unknowing racist!

    Although I am no longer a mormon and havent been for some time, I still find it hard to survive in the real world! …my programming keeps popping up. The rational side of me confirms that the colour of ones skin makes no difference and is not important, BUT the mormon in me is still lurking in my madness! …It seems when I get very stressed or upset, my thinking reverts to mormonism! and I imagine that every dark skin person is a danger with bad intentions and is evil.

    I have found myself hating dark skin people or black cultures… when I briefly see an advert, tv commercial, song, tv show or movie… it is brief and fleeting, but it is still there! … and I feel hate, anger and annoyance at someone for no reason other than the colour of their skin.

    I would like to take this opportunity to thank the LDS organisation for ruining my life, and giving me a lifetime of mental health issues!

    …and I would like to propose the question ” Why are religions that cause mental health problems and abuse their members protected and legally allowed to still operate in the year 2017 !!!? “

  • She’s more than concerned about birth rates. That’s what she hides behind. You only have to read a few tweets to see it. Retweeting David Duke, promoting hate speech…get a clue – she’s a racist.

  • Linn — I have a challenge for you. Find me a quote from David Duke in the past 20 years which demonstrates “Hate”. You can’ t do it; because Duke does not “hate”. I’ll bet a thousand dollars you haven’t even read one of his books.
    Linn — you are just one more parrot/lemming who just regurgitates what someone else said about someone else. Go read his books for your-self. Duke does not ‘hate’.

    Hate is leftist newspeak for people who disagree with them.

  • Where did you go Linn? You made an accusation, now I am challenging you to back up that accusation with ‘facts’ and not just bluster.
    Find me a quote by David Duke in the past 20 years in which he demonstrates “hate speech”. Otherwise……..enough of the slander.

  • Anytime a group of people have a belief that another group is cursed the color of their skin..that is the ultimate racism. Although they let us in now..I say us as I am of color..they still believe both of my races..native American and black..we are cursed and we were white before and will be white when we die and maybe go to heaven..I cannot stand to hear Mormons talk about other racists..when they tell me that they denounce the fact that native Americans were not cursed Jews that turned into lamenites and that cane was not cursed black..then we can talk and you may not be a racists..till then..mormans are as bad as the KKK and don’t knock in my door there are no white people here…for those of Can you join such a terrible group of people.

  • Jewish Virtual Library recently amended its section on Edom, I edited my post above to reflect this update, describing Johanan Hycarnus forced conversion of Idumea [Edom] to Judaism.

  • you forgot to leave out the part in some of this scriptures like the white head part? what about his feet were like BRONZE hair like WHOOL i dont know white boys with whool like hair and bronze feet how about the geography of the area? the ancient jews were not white they were more like modern day latinos and african americans being israel by this time had already mixed with ethiopia

  • Both the Scripture and Archaeological evidence proves you wrong. If you care, you could start with “Who is Esau Edom” by Charles Weisman. Plenty of information out there. Doing a simple search – jesus was not a jew — will point you in the right direction. Peace.

  • BYU allows illiterate anti whites?

    DearWhiteMormons: I didn’t take get into BYU just bc I’m a WoC. I didn’t take your precious Billy’s spot, I just got a better SAT score.

    — tinesha (@TineshaCapri) May

    Yes, yes they do. Its called Affirmitive Action.

    Regardless, my ancestor, James Billington slaughtered and Jailed you morman anti white, white horse prophesy freeks including Joseph smith. He should have killed him.
    Purposefull wife is psyop as she posts many times her love of her diverse church.
    She is nothing but a psychotic anti white morman crap bag, like all mormans

  • New evidence suggests Stone Age hunters from Europe discovered America.

    “The Solutrean (European originating) Native Americans were either partly absorbed by the newcomers (Asian-originating Indians) or were substantially obliterated by them either physically or through competition for resources.”
    The Paiutes, a Native-American tribe indigenous to parts of Nevada, have an oral tradition that they told to early white settlers of the area about a race of red-haired, white giants or ‘barbarians’ that their ancestors referred to as the “Si-Te-Cah.” The story was written down in 1882 by Sarah Winnemucca Hopkins, daughter of a Paiute Indian chief in her book: “Life Among the Piutes: Their Wrongs and Claims.” These “giants” were described as vicious, unfriendly and cannibalistic. In this story, the Paiutes speak of a great battle that took place which led to their extermination at site known today as Lovelock Cave.

    “Red Haired Giants & Sitecah – Lovelock Cave, Nevada”

  • Scientists [University of Copenhagen] have mapped the genome of a four-year-old boy who died in south-central Siberia 24,000 years ago. It is the oldest modern human genome sequenced to date, researchers report in the journal Nature. The results provide a window into the origins of Native Americans, whose ancestors crossed from Siberia into the New World during the last Ice Age. They suggest about a third of Native American ancestry came from an ancient population related to Europeans.

    In January 1982, the remains of the WINDOVER BOG PEOPLE were discovered during the construction of a new road near Titusville, Florida. The discovery yielded the skeletons of 168 men, women and children dating back over 7000 years ago. DNA testing indicated these people were of European descent indicating some of the first peoples in America were White.

  • Lamech is the father of Noah. A DESCRIPTION of NOAH from the BOOK OF ENOCH: “And after some days my son Methuselah took a wife for his son Lamech, and she became pregnant by him and BORE A SON. 2. And his BODY was WHITE AS SNOW and RED AS THE BLOOMING OF A ROSE, and the hair of his head †and his long LOCKS WERE WHITE AS WOOL, and his eyes beautiful†.
    Whilst the book of Enoch does not form part of the canon of Holy Scripture for the larger Christian Churches, various groups, including the Ethiopian Orthodox Church, regard parts or all of 1 Enoch to be inspired Scripture. The currently known texts of this work are usually dated to Maccabean times (ca. 160s BC).e Book of Enoch.

  • I’ve deleted my original post above and posted the new Jewish virtual library link below, describing Johanan Hycarnus forced conversion of Idumea [Edom] to Judaism.

    In Jewish Virtual Library, under the heading, Johanan [John] Hyrcanus, it states: “On the southern front he forced Judah’s neighbors in Idumea [descendents of the Edomites] to accept Judaism.

  • Modern Jewry DOES NOT descend from the Biblical 12 Tribes of Israel. Contemporary Jewish sources admit that Modern Jewry is primarily descended from Edomites who were forcibly converted to Judaism by the Hasmonean leader Johanan Hyrcanus in 130BC, as recorded by historian Flavius Josephus. The Greek Geographer, philosopher and historian Strabo, also testified to the colonisation of Judea by Edomite converts to Judaism. Note: The Greeks and Romans referred to the Edomites as Idumeans].

    FLAVIUS JOSEPHUS: “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13: Chapter 9, Section 1.
    Hyrcanus took also Dora, and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befel them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

    STRABO: “Geography” Book 16 Chapter 2 Section 34.
    The western extremities of Judæa towards Casius are occupied by Idumæans, and by the lake [Sirbonis]. The Idumæans are Nabatæans. When driven from their country by sedition, they passed over to the Jews, and adopted their customs.

    P.S. Knowing the above, it begins to make more sense that the Apostle John spoke of impostors [Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9] who “SAY THEY ARE JEWS, AND ARE NOT” labelling them the “SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN.” Romans 9:13 “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but ESAU HAVE I HATED.” Genesis 36:9 “And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:” P.S. The complete extermination of ESAU’S EDOMITE OFFSPRING, [which Modern Jewry descends from] is foretold in Obadiah 1:9, Obadiah 1:18.

  • Page 3, 1980 Jewish Almanac: “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.”

    Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860″ (Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23). “Edom is in modern Jewry,” (Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol.5, p.41)

    “The Edomites were conquered by John Hyrcanus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants.” [The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, New Revised Edition, 1966]

  • Wow you are incredibly wrong. Red hair appears throughout the world, though it is slightly more prevalent in western and Northern Europe. It exists in India, North Africa, New Guinea, the Mediterranean. All over. But thanks for letting us all know how racist and ignorant you are.

  • No one needs to prove it. read a Bible and see who translated it. It isn’t a conspiracy. What did you think the first Bible was written in English? Man some of you people are dumb.

  • Yeah, white people have never shown a bias towards their skin color or their religion. That has never happened. And by the way, there is no Caucasian race because there is no race, that concept is only useful for racists.

  • No where did I imply that the bible was written in English originally. Do you read to understand; or do you read to ‘nit pick’ and then change topics?
    Meg was making the assumption that the “translations” of the Scriptures have a Pro White bias because they were translated by White men. I asked her to prove it………..which she could not.
    Again…………..reading comprehension is not your strong suit. Maybe read ALL of the comments I have made in this thread and then bother me.

  • If I read anymore of your weak copy-paste comeback posts I’d probably end up as stupid as you. I’ll pass. Have fun suffocating in your own rectum, tool.