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5 faith facts about Doug Jones: Quiet Christian

Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate Doug Jones and his wife, Louise, wave to supporters before speaking during an election-night watch party Tuesday, Dec. 12, 2017, in Birmingham, Ala. In a stunning victory aided by scandal, Jones won Alabama's special Senate election on Tuesday, beating back history, an embattled Republican opponent and President Trump, who urgently endorsed GOP rebel Roy Moore despite a litany of sexual misconduct allegations. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

(RNS) — Democrat Doug Jones wasn’t supposed to have a chance in the Senate race that pits him against Republican Roy Moore in the ruby red state of Alabama.

But in recent weeks, as women began to accuse Moore of inappropriate conduct with them when they were teenagers, suddenly Jones seemed to have a shot.

Jones, a former U.S. attorney, slammed Moore on those allegations as they campaigned to take the seat once held by U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions, saying, “I damn sure believe and have done my part to ensure that men who hurt little girls should go to jail, not to the U.S. Senate.”

Tuesday’s (Dec. 12) election will determine whether Alabama could actually elect a Democrat to the Senate. But even as his national profile has risen, most people still know little about Jones and his faith.

While Moore has rallied with pastors and enjoyed the backing of the Rev. Franklin Graham, Jones’ religious life has remained one of quiet, consistent worship and church involvement.

Here are five faith facts about Jones.

1. “I am a Christian.”

Jones told The Birmingham News he would be a senator “who cares about all people, not just a select few. That’s what I think the teachings of religion are, is the caring about the least of these, the caring about all people, and making sure there’s a fairness to everything.”

2. He’s Methodist.

Jones has belonged for 33 years to Canterbury United Methodist Church, one of Alabama’s largest United Methodist congregations, in the Birmingham suburb of Mountain Brook. He’s a regular at worship and has taught Sunday school on occasion.

3. Jones’ most famous case involved a notorious attack on a church.

In 1963, Ku Klux Klan members bombed the 16th Street Baptist Church, killing four young girls. One Klansman was convicted of the murders in 1977. But two eluded justice for decades until Jones successfully prosecuted the two surviving Klansmen in 1999. Jones still calls their conviction “the most important thing I have ever done.”

And Jones prosecuted “Olympic Park Bomber” Eric Rudolph, the domestic terrorist who also bombed abortion clinics.

4. Jones supports abortion rights – within limits.

He said if a woman considers abortion it is “an intensely, intensely personal decision that only she, in consultation with her god, her doctor, her partner or family, (can make) that’s her choice.” However, Jones qualifies his support for choice by saying he also agrees with Alabama law limiting some late-term procedures.

5. He says his goal is to treat people “as Christ would do.”

Asked a question about Southern culture, guns and religion, Jones said:

“If culture means that you have to put down people, if your culture means that you would discriminate against somebody, that you would not treat anybody in the same way that Christ would do, then I’m not going to protect that. I’m not going to protect discrimination of any sort, in any way, whether it’s race, religion, sex orientation or whatever. … My faith is, well, we take care of everybody.”

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Cathy Lynn Grossman

Cathy Lynn Grossman specializes in stories drawn from research and statistics on religion, spirituality and ethics. She also writes frequently on biomedical ethics and end-of-life-issues

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  • Nope. Babies are born.

    Republicans want to murder babies by starving them to death, letting them die of easily treatable ailments or having them shot by criminals and trigger happy cops.

  • Jones is the winner. A moral man who prosecuted domestic terrorists has defeated a bigot, liar, pederast, embezzler and disgrace.

  • I have never read that Jesus would criticize anyone that did not conform to your point of view. You cannot be a Christian and spit out such wicked opinions. No one’s business what others do in their private lives.

  • No.

    God, you are sick.

    Maybe, you need to stop fanataSizing so much about what you think
    Gay men do in bed, and perhaps start studying the parts of your bible that talk about reviling, judging others, motes and logs, and loving your neighbor.

    O, screw it. We both know that there is no fun in that for you. Keep thinking about what gay men do in bed.

  • So he is a United Methodist, I was baptized and confirmed in the United Methodist Church. So proud that a Methodist brought to justice those who murdered those four girls. For that alone, he should be deeply celebrated.

  • Roy, get on your horse and get out of town !! Congratulations to a decent man, Doug Jones.

    Child abuse aside…couldn’t believe Moore was also essentially running on a pro-slavery platform here in 2017.

  • Kangaroo, Ben, Spuddie: Sandi made this same statement here in another thread recently — the statement that Doug Jones murders babies and approves of murdering babies. I challenged her to produce proof of it.

    She would not do so and cannot do so.

    It is a lie, and a very toxic, malicious one.

    In my view, RNS moderators should not permit the commenting space here to be used by people spreading toxic, malicious lies like this. In Sandi’s case, it’s all the more appalling since she claims to be speaking in God’s name and representing Jesus Christ in the world.

  • No, she’s correct. Re-read the article please. Doug Jones clearly supports abortion-on-demand, abortion-as-birth-control. (“Infanticide”, as William Buckley used to openly say on Firing Line.)

    The only exception, for Jones, is what the RNS article calls “some (some, but not all) late-term abortions.”

  • That claim has already been thoroughly refuted. Hopefully won’t have to waste keystrokes refuting it again.

  • Censorship, like the conservatives who oppose Net Neutrality. People who want the internet restricted based on the arbitrary whims of service providers?

  • So your position is that it’s a good thing for our culture that the internet be used to spread toxic lies and fake news? Easily disproven ones in this case . . . .

    And as a self-professed Christian, you’re gung-ho about bearing false witness? Only SOME bible verses count in your tiny canon within the canon — those that exonerate you and believers like you from the command to love others and do unto others as you would have others do to you?

    These are interesting positions. I wonder where I’ve encountered them before. Oh, I recall now: during the 2016 elections as Russian bots spread toxic lies and fake news everywhere online, causing serious harm to our culture and political process.

  • They left out Jone’s most notorious case, where he smeared the reputation of a fifteen-year-old suing a university for not protecting her from serial rape by its students.

    “who cares about all people, not just a select few.” Unless, of course, you have the misfortune of not being born yet, in which case he’s all for allowing you to be slaughtered.

  • If this guy is a real Christian then we should expect to see him be against homosexual “marriage” and abortion for starters. Right?

  • Nope. Calling abortion rights supporters baby-killers is dishonest, inflamatory and incorrect. Babies are born. Abortions are not performed on babies.

    Nothing about the fetus worshiping agenda has to do with the preservation and sanctity of life. It is about treating pregnant women as your personal property to command.

    Jones won the election because African Americans, one of the most religious demographics in the country, came out in record numbers to put a disgraced judge, pederast, embezzler, bigot and miserable equestrian in his proper place. The unemployment line.

    Its telling that 22,000 people went out of their way to go to polling places and wait on line to write in essentially an F-U to Moore.

  • Why must you be so cruel to horses? 🙂

    It was obvious from the videos that Moore couldn’t tell one end of a horse from another.

  • Evil people vote for embezzlers, bigots, and pederasts for the sake of personal interests.

    “It is never evil to speak the truth.”

    Then why don’t you ever do it?

  • So Jones is basically at where most Americans outside of Moore-like evangelicals are on abortion.

    Doug Jones went out of his way to show support for Planned Parenthood and won in Alabama 🙂

  • Well, Roy Moore was against those things…and look what happened to him in Alabama of all places…

    Sigh…hope for the rapture, end-times at hand !!

  • But notice something Spuddie: even YOU don’t ascribe Moore’s defeat to Alabama blacks suddenly endorsing abortion-on-demand and legalized gay marriage. That didn’t happen at all.

    Instead you cite Moore’s scandal and even his equestrian skills, (though you should have pointed out that Doug Jones already had high numbers with Alabama blacks, because he’s a Dem who prosecuted KKK murderers).

    But at this point, fwiw, it IS time to say “infanticide” to describe what has happened to 60M babies. Abortion has become both Birth Control and Cash Cow. (Indeed, Southern California resembled a “gold rush” after 1973. And black babies? NO chance in hell.)

  • It’s much more like, “Roy thinks families were so much tighter DESPITE those good-ole (and his specific wording, which you should have checked first, makes it clear that he never said “good-ole” and never thought of it that way) slave days.”

  • No way, folks. “Roy Moore does not now, nor has he ever favored limiting an individual’s right to vote, and as a judge, he was noted for his fairness and for being a champion of civil rights,” as his spokesman Brett Doster said.

    Moore’s wife also pointed out a bit of civil rights history, if anybody’s interested:

    “My husband appointed the very first black marshal to the Alabama Supreme Court, Mr. Willie James.”

  • “even YOU don’t ascribe Moore’s defeat to Alabama blacks suddenly endorsing abortion-on-demand and legalized gay marriage.”

    Because it has been their default political position at the polls. No sudden endorsement involved. The anti-abortion platform got its start from the segregationists who were so virulent and violent in Alabama.

    “though you should have pointed out that Doug Jones already had high
    numbers with Alabama blacks, because he’s a Dem who prosecuted KKK
    murderers).”

    Good point, thank you. I was remiss in extolling Doug Jones for being the moral upstanding citizen he is. But he was hardly the favorite in the election. Black voter turnout was higher than expected. Especially in light of years of attacking their voting rights with a particularly onerous ID law.

    “But at this point, fwiw, it IS time to say “infanticide” to describe what has happened to 60M babies.”

    Nope. Since we aren’t ever talking about babies here. Babies are born. Outside a womb.

    The inability to use proper terms and recognize the differences between born and unborn is a clear sign of the dishonesty of the fetus worship position. If you can handwave away how being in a womb is different from being born, you are willing to ascribe to any kind of ridiculous fact free nonsense.

  • Ironic that you use a quote about lying for your justification. No mention of homosexual marriage or consensual adult relations. But it can apply to pederasts like Roy Moore. Sexual immorality is far more appropriate a label for having relations with those not old enough to consent to them.

  • Moore’s scandal is the reason why Doug Jones won.

    But thank you for mentioning the fact that Jones went out of his way to support Planned Parenthood. That tells you how much Jones wants to get RID of black babies.

    Black Alabamans better wake up QUICK, if they want to buy Easter outfits for their grandchildren!!

  • Last night, Moore said god was in control. In fact, he insisted he would be winning for that very reason.

    Apparently, god is not ahole that so many of his followers appear to be. In fact, it appears that god said “no Moore! no Moore!” Or maybe, even Jesus thinks that a sanctimonious Christian who uses god as a weapon and thinks he is jEsus’s BFFF isn’t fit for office even in Talibama.

    Or maybe Moore, even backed by no less— and there isn’t less— a person than Trump and Bannon— was just too low on the evolutionary scale, even for Al Abama, and a lot of you “good Christians” just couldn’t stomach to vote for him.

    Now’s the time for you vicious antigays to say a little novena to St. Schadenfreude of the Closets.

    It certainly can’t hurt.

  • And of course, it is never, ever evil to slander and revile good people like Doug Jones.

    Gawdamighty, you people are sick. Your sock puppet jesus just didn’t come through for you.

  • Well, if Brett foster says it, we must accept it as the gospel truth.

    Except for that little bit about putting people like me in jail. That,s not civil rights.

  • “As a judge, he was noted for his fairness and for being a champion of civil rights,”

    Except for being TOSSED OFF THE BENCH FOR VIOLATING CIVIL RIGHTS OF ALABAMA CITIZENS.

  • Apparently, Black people like you, Good Christians all, according to you, voted overwhelmingly against Roy Moore.

    It should tell you something, but it won’t.

  • Of course it is a lie, toxic, and malicious.

    That’s what they DO. Then they high behind their god to defend their viciousness, and hurt their shoulders trying to pat themselves on the back for being lost to the kingdom of heaven, according to Paul and Corinthians.

  • Yes. At this point all political issues do. Control of the internet and flow of information are key to elections these days.

  • Lies hurt people. Peventing the publication of lies is not censorship, it is the moral response to a person whose lies are intended to injure others.

  • Here is the vesy best response to the christobigots posting here today, from someone calling himself Rethinking Dave.

    You think those of us on the religio-political left haven’t made an effort to understand those on the religious right? Where do you think we originated from? Many of us, myself included, were raised in churches and families that considered it impossible to be anything but a Republican if one was truly a Christian. And you think it is hypocrisy that we condemn the behavior of people who claim to be Christians or Evangelicals but who support the likes of Trump and Moore? What do you think drove us out?

    You sound like Trump yourself, after the Charlottesville debacle, trying to present both sides as equally flawed or well-intentioned. No, Mr. Galli, both sides do not equally represent the teachings of Jesus, nor are they equally to blame for misrepresenting what our Lord’s message is really all about. Nor do we condemn the actions of so-called conservatives in order to feel superior ourselves. To the contrary, we have felt forced out because of our love of Christ’s Word and his kingdom. We have endured lies and slander and hideous propaganda from those we’ve loved and thought were Christians. We have raised our voices to plead with our brothers and sisters, parents and fellow church members, fervently citing the message of the Gospels. But rather than responding by entering into healthy dialogue with us over our biblical concerns, instead they have labeled and dismissed us with monikers like liberal, socialist and progessive, as if these were bad things and reason enough to ignore us. In reality, we were none of these things. We were just trying to hold our fellow Christians to the beliefs, ideals, and convictions they themselves instilled in is.

    No, both sides are not equally to blame for discrediting the Evangelical Christian reputation. But both will suffer–even if only one understands why.

  • Jones favors women’s rights of conscience and religious liberty. Floyd, Moore, Trump and Bannnan oppose rights of conscience and religious liberty, Case closed.

  • Floyd is unhinged, like Trump. Jones simply wants reproductive choice for all women of whatever ethnicity.

  • There is a huge article in Christianity Today. It’s a huge load of self serving crap of the type usually served up by bad hearted evangelicals seeking to justify their bad behavior. I would suggest that you all read it.

    Of course, it’s delusional on so many levels. But that isn’t my point at all.

    My point is simply this: they waited until they lost an easily winnable race to say it.

    But wait! that isn’t the point either! They thought it was a “Christian” political contest. It wasn’t. They though god was on their side. He wasn’t. They tried to blame liberal Christians, or even non-hyper-conservative evangelicals, for not listening to them, when they were so sure they were speaking for god that they couldn’t hear anyone, and wouldn’t have listened in any case.

    This is what happens when you demonize others people— gay people, women facing difficult decisions, democrats, American Muslims, Mrs. Clinton, liberals, progressives, and most important of all OTHER CHRISTIANS. Anyone with any brains can see that they are projecting all of their own sins onto others, deflecting and projecting, like some of our Sandimonious posters here, but on a grand scale.

    When you spend all of your time demonizing other people, don’t be surprised if people start seeing demons.

  • No. You were eventually able to understand what I said. I’ll clarify them for you any time you need.

  • He can do whatever He wants, No. I don’t worship a baby-killer, I worship the One who created everything and can do as He pleases with His creation

  • Forcing someone to labour without pay is a form of slavery. That’s not cool, even if “God” allows it in the Bible.

  • This is what happens when the Republican Party supports a person like Roy Moore. Because of that, another supporter of a culture of death has been elected for the Senate.

  • I worship the One who created everything and can do as He pleases with His creation

    …which includes killing babies, therefore you worship a baby-killer. QED.

    For more reference, please read:
    Genesis 38:24
    Exodus 21:22-23
    Leviticus 27:6
    Numbers 3:15-16, 5:21-28, 31:15-17
    Hosea 9:14-16, 13:16
    2 Samuel 12:14

  • Labour, as in carry a fetus to term. It’s also a form of work, which we don’t usually pay women for doing.

    So, forcing a woman to carry a fetus is a form of slavery. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

  • Nope. One has to be born to be murdered. Just like one has to be born to be a baby.
    There is nothing sane or moral about giving personhood to a fetus and removing personhood of its mother.

    Even less moral is the constant lying fetus worshipers have to do to maintain their position. They create entire centers where people pretend to be doctors and lie to women to control their choices.

  • No…..now that I understand what you were saying, your comment makes sense. I just wasn’t sure.
    I believe abortion is murder. Christ has taught in several places that while in the womb, those children were chosen for His plans – some before conception.
    Every single one of those children is valuable to Him and murder is not what we should be doing with them.
    Christ is the only One with the right to life and death.

  • So we all sit around here griping that our discussion/debate partners are lying, and hoping that THEY will get censored so that only people who agree with US, will be allowed to post?

    That doesn’t work for me. Doesn’t work for democracy either.

  • He created them; He has the right to do as He wishes. According to you, when Christ chooses to bring someone home, He is murdering them.
    pro “choice” is pro murder.

  • exodus 23:7 – Stay far away from a false charge, and don’t kill the innocent or the righteous, because I won’t acquit the guilty

  • What? Standing up for the 10 C’s? Nothing wrong with that. Besides, he accepted the punishment given to him for standing up for the 10 C’s. So he’s cool that way.

  • One can be Christian while respecting the fact that the US is composed of people with different faiths and beliefs and the laws of the land. Democracy not theocracy.. Members get elected – at least in this instance – by voters looking at other priorities to address. In another election with a more reasonable Republican candidate,, analysts expect that it will be the Republican candidate who wins.

  • You mean violating State and Federal law with a blatantly sectarian symbol of his faith? Everything is wrong with that.

    Unlike EVERY representation of the 10C in court buildings in the nation, this one used the specifically sectarian Protestant version and was in isolation from symbols of any other faith.

    ” Besides, he accepted the punishment given to him for standing up for the 10 C’s.”

    No he didn’t, since he ran again for the position. He was unrepentant and unprofessional.

  • “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.”

    Gen 2:7

    The Bible never considered abortion murder. It was a crime against property. The Bible did not consider a fetus to be a person.

    Exodus 21:22-25
    If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

  • I believe that is not the wording used with regards to the cause of death for the first infant son of David and Bathsheba.Doesn’t read’ bringing him home’. In fact, after the baby’s death, they got a replacement son. A story that made more moral sense in the context of attitudes at the time. Deut. 23:2

  • Your whole position is about pretending a pregnant woman is your personal property to command. Not a person capable of making choices about their body and what goes on inside.

    Christ had no stated opinion on abortion. It was a common enough practice that if he did, there would be an explicit reference to it. Like the reference to very specific practices like moneychanging.

  • “raping our children”…………..
    What makes you think He is not? His ways are not our ways. And He doesn’t see time as we do. Oh don’t you worry……………..there will be a price to pay!

  • They don’t care about the fetus either. They care about controlling women’s right to choose whether or not to carry that fetus. If they cared about the fetus they would support programs that support prenatal care and birth control.

  • The writer of this article along with the publisher and Doug Jones all need to develop a relationship with Jesus Christ. Anyone who believes this load of crap ought to have their head examined.

  • Christ taught that a baby killed in the womb was worthy of financial payment.

    Exodus 21:22 English Standard Version
    “When men strive together and hit a pregnant woman, so that her children come out, but there is no harm, the one who hit her shall surely be fined, as the woman’s husband shall impose on him, and he shall pay as the judges determine.”
    That baby has value

  • Exactly. Monetary damages, not life for life. The fact that it is the former indicates that killing a fetus is not murder.

  • This is what is going to drive Trump crazy. He originally supported Moore’s GOP primary opponent, Luther Strange, on the establishment’s advice that a mainstream GOP candidate would easily defeat the Democratic runner. Strange lost, and Trump had to be dragged into supporting Moore. Now the hated establishment has been proven correct and Trump has been played a fool. Expect a tweetstorm shortly.

  • Yes, but not as much value as the woman. If her death was caused in the incident, the wrongdoer was subject to the death penalty.

  • So? It still had value in God’s eyes. There was a penalty for killing it. (edit) exodus 23:7 –  Stay far away from a false charge, and don’t kill the innocent or the righteous, because I won’t acquit the guilty

  • So it’s not murder. If it was murder, there should be no difference in the penalties for harming the fetus vs. harming the mother.

  • But not the value of a human being. Its death is not worthy of the punishment given to murderers as demonstrated in the subsequent verse. It describes a trespass on the mother by an outside party.

    The Bible is entirely silent on the matter of a woman choosing to terminate a pregnancy.

  • Christ did nothing of the kind. No such reference exists in the Gospels. The only writings on the actual life, words and teachings of Jesus Christ accepted by Christians.

    The Exodus passage describes a trespass against the mother and her family, an assault which causes miscarriage. Not the voluntary choice of a woman to terminate her pregnancy. That is nowhere to be found in the Bible, despite being a fairly common practice even in ancient times.

  • My desire is to see religious sycophants like Moore, et al examined closely to discover the reason for their unhealthy fixation on theocracies. Moore’s checkered past paints a sad picture of a man not able to handle power, in any form. When you’ve driven your own troops to the point where you’re paranoid of being fragged, you might want to self assess. He’s the poster child for Hubris, not much more than that.

  • Unfortunately, your bible also has instructions for carrying out an abortion as a test of fidelity in marriage. It also has a bit of a problem with condemning slavery, and hasn’t the first clue about how the Earth actually came to be.

    Using it as a moral guidebook is a bit of a stretch.

    Murder is unlawful killing, as the practice of abortion is lawful it’s not murder. If you want to change that, good luck.

  • Only if you failed to read the subsequent passage. Which actually says if the mother dies, the offender must also die as befitting a murderer.

  • But certainly NOT silent on caring for the poor, the hungry, the disabled, etc. All the people that these forced birthers are fine with ignoring in their crusade to save the fetuses at all costs. They work from a different Bible than most of us seem to have.

  • Not to mention for many of us, would be an incredibly painful experience to endure. I deal with disabilities that would make pregnancy not life threatening but unbearable.

  • If that is YOUR belief, than don’t get an abortion. Religious beliefs cannot and should not dictate public policy, period. If you are against Sharia law, this is no different.

  • They also like to pretend like they are the arbiters of Christianity, when there are many pro-choice Christians like Doug Jones, like myself, etc. that understand that it’s a slippery slope to impose religious dogma into public policy. And that prefer policies like providing free access to birth control, proper sex ed, paid maternity leave, child health care and food stamps for poor families, etc. that HELP women prevent unwanted pregnancies and allow them to MAKE a choice to keep their babies if possible…. vs. trying to FORCE that on them, which in all of recorded history has been the most unsuccessful way of preventing abortions possible.

  • And the thing is, most people even on the Left are willing to look at the laws for late term abortions, how and when those are performed, etc. which are already highly regulated and very rare, to see if more restrictions might be needed. But that’s not the discussion the forced birthers truly want to have. They want NO ABORTIONS. Ever. At all. They trot out late term abortions as part of an argument, but only to get support for their extreme position on ANY abortion.

  • What you do to your point here would make Ralph Dibny, Reed Richards, Patrick “Eel” O’Brian and Kamala Khan envious.

    (You will get the point after googling the first couple of names) 🙂

  • Thank you for the advertising William. Now be sure you remain accurate. Did I not respond, or had I already answered several times?

  • And there are clear definitions for what constitutes murder. Ending life isn’t always murder, and it’s not murder at ALL unless it’s a living, viable person. Unplugging a brain dead person is not murder for instance. One can certainly debate whether or not a fetus is a viable person prior to birth, but they most CERTAINLY are not at the times when the vast majority of abortions are performed.

  • Infanticide – the crime of killing a child within its first year. Gen 2:7 would fit. You will have to make up a new word. Oddly enough that fits with historic practices of not recording births until after the first birthday.

    And given the track record of the Republican party in repealing Roe v Wade, and the opportunities they had to do so, I think it is a time to come up with some better strategies to support women in making a choice to carry a baby to terms. Even Mary indicated that she chose – Let it be then.

  • Exodus uses the same word to refer to a child here that was used in the book of Ruth to refer to Naomi’s sons — who were both grown men with wives.

  • Bigger repayment than a finefor the fetus according to the Ot – if you couldn’t pay you were sold into slavery. You have really stretched your analogy. past credible.

  • Once one realizes they are unreceptive to facts and rational arguments, it makes discussions so much easier.

  • Beautifully stated! I was raised Catholic, often participated in Right to Life marches, and over the years became more and more dismayed by what I saw in churches pushing political agendas and seeming to miss the actual real message of the Bible. Which certainly NEVER included trying to force beliefs on other people, but changing hearts and minds by living a life that would inspire them. This led me to question everything I’d been taught about abortion… and having medical education as well making me question it as well. I am proud to be a member of the United Methodist Church now, while it is struggling right now with whether to allow gay marriage, it is at least a Church that fully welcomes any and all to participate and is so much more open to differing political positions, and ideas, and doesn’t dictate what you have to believe, but focuses on the true message of the Bible, and love for and service to others. #EmptyThePews

  • He already tweeted about how he supported Strange over Moore. Thing is, he COULD have done the same once those accusations came out. But he listened to Bannon who got the entire GOP on board after they had ALL backed away from Moore…. but really how could he do otherwise when Moore is such a reflection of Trump himself.

  • Yah, actually it was. I’ll listen to the people who are paid to study the bible at a university.

    Not someone who advocates a form of slavery that lasts 9 months and risks the live and health of the woman. I’m never going to carry a fetus, I don’t have the right to force others to carry one. Especially if I wanted to refer to mythology in support of my pro-slavery attitude.

  • And it is precisely this condescending, holier that anyone attitude that is the problem. Who died and appointed YOU elvis?

  • LOL, true, it’s hard to get them to even come up with actual points you can even argue against since there’s so little rational thought behind it.

  • Life, health and for many, their financial security and jobs… Because the GOP wants to force them to give birth but STILL doesn’t support paid maternity leave, let alone the ACA which helped to GIVE so many needy women and children health care to be able to deal with the expense of giving birth. How many of them have worked to improve the broken foster care system where so many of these unwanted children end up? Where are they demanding that Congress fund CHIP right NOW?!

  • Actually, sand worships a book. S/he can parrot the verses of that book, but doesn’t understand what the whole thing actually means.

    An atheist is likelier to be closer to god…

  • Oh cool so you are perfectly fine with abortions before then? So you are admitting to be human it does have to have organs, working circulatory system, brain activity, etc.

  • So we’ve established that this has nothing to do with what the Bible says, that a fertilized egg and blastocyst is NOT a human, and thus first term abortions are NOT murder. Glad we cleared that up. So past that it just becomes a matter of opinion in terms of how highly developed a fetus needs to be to consider it as having enough similarity to a fully realized out of the uterus person to be “human”. Since even scientists can’t agree on this, seems like that should be a personal decision the mother should make.

  • I don’t care what you don’t care about. You’re one of those false Xtians who worships the book rather than the spirit of the book. You’re a Pharisee, more concerned with the ‘Law’ than the spirit of the Law.

    D’ya remember what Jesus said about people like that?

  • You should consult a lawyer too, s/he’d be able to help you understand when it’s lawful to kill.

    You’re trying to claim that all killings are murders. It’s ridiculous.

  • Why? Again, to YOU it may be. It isn’t to me. Or to a large majority of people, it isn’t to the medical community at large. You can’t just make up your own definitions for things.

  • “It happened, when Elizabeth heard Mary’s greeting, that the baby leaped in her womb” Luke 1:41. The baby was John the Baptist. His mother was in her sixth month of pregnancy at the time.

    “The children [Jacob and Esau] struggled together within her [Rebekah], and she said, “If it is thus, why is this happening to me?” So she went to inquire of the LORD. The LORD said to her, “Two nations are in your womb” Gen. 25:22:23

    “…for a Nazarite to God is the youth [Samson] from the womb, and he doth begin to save Israel out of the hand of the Philistines.” Judges 13:5.

  • There you go – you got the wording right, “it’s lawful to kill.” Thank you for supporting my contention that it is murder.

  • Unless it’s born it’s a tumor.

    I don’t care to force people to do things I’m not willing to do.

    Why are you willing to force women to do what you cannot?

  • Wow, there’s a very scientific criteria…”looks”. Not once did I ever hear a scientist equate something with another thing based on just how it “looks”. And again, this is YOUR opinion of when a fetus was “me”. I believe I am much more than a collection of cells with human DNA. I’ll still be that after I die, so that hardly is what is “me”. By your argument, I looked like a single celled organism at one time too, but that doesn’t make me one. I looked like a cat or dog or any mammal embryo at one time but that’s doesn’t make me one of those either.

  • Re: How Can WE Trust This Man:

    Senator elect Jones is a fanatical advocate of the racist murder of babies in American and in the world. Indeed he has built his political career on the bodies of some 60-million babies more than half of which were babies of color.

    Jesse Jackson, before he became important, called this slaughter the genocide of the black race in America.

    Judge Jones intended to reverse Roe V Wade and return the abortion issue to the States. Now that chance is gone, perhaps forever and no one’s life is now safe. What will happen now to our poor country only God knows.

    Back be of good cheer. Christ has risen! And he comes to us this Christmas as a helpless babe.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • I suspect the blAck ladies who voted or jones show up in church far more often and seriously than you could ever hope to.

  • Mr. Annonymous Ben:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Sadly, the above cited figures came from Planned Parenthood (AKA Murder Inc.) They used to be quite publicly proud of the number of black babies they slaughtered. Now they try and hide their black victims within their general colored murders.

    But Christ will avenge His innocents if not in this world then the next.

    Back be of good cheer. Christ has risen! And he comes to us this Christmas as a helpless babe.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Just sandi’s nasty sky fairy being rabidly punitive and excessively wrathful as usual, according to her sicko mythbook.

  • Sandi as usual just covers her ears and eyes when evidence was presented that contradicts her whacko beliefs.

  • Are you really saying that your God is a child rapist, and that you’re good with that?

    Well, bless your heart…

  • Mr. Karl:

    Thank you for your reply.

    So said Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Castro, many of the Roman Emperors and countless worldly men and women.

    And where are they now? Where are their political parties, their empires, their pomp and works?

    Their bodies rot in the grave (as your body and mine must) their works are destroyed and often forgotten.

    Do not be a mocker of God on Judgement Day.

    Be of good cheer. Christ has risen! And he comes to us this Christmas as a helpless babe.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • I’ll mock God all I like. That fictional character didn’t have the stones to ban slavery or rape. It’s evil, yet Xtians like you call it good. That’s rather silly.

    Yes, every human has died. It’s happened for the last 300 thousand years, and will continue to do so as long as we don’t wipe ourselves out.

    Christ isn’t bread, he’s a fictional character.

  • Where is your PROOF on any of this? Life begins @ conception & God Himself would tell you THAT. Jones is a Pro-Abortionist. He supports LateTerm Abortion. Do you even KNOW what a Late Term Abortion is? It is when the child is on it’s way out of the birth canal, just a few seconds & pushes from being able to breathe on it’s own & able to be adopted, if the mother wasn’t self-righteous enough to let no one experience love from it or it experience any love either. They turn the baby around so that it is breach. Then the Dr. pulls the baby out up to it’s shoulders & takes a scissors & plunges it into the back of the baby’s head. THAT is MURDER! If the mother has already carried the child for nine months, what is WRONG with her that she would not allow the baby to be delivered & adopted to a family who is unable to have a child? THAT is pre-meditated murder on her part.

    He may be able to fool Black people because he stood up for the death of some Black kids & I am sure they had no problem taking the $50 that was given to them to vote for him. I am sure they probably enjoyed the ride they were given to vote as well. But, he is QUITE the COLD Christian if I have ever seen one, other than HRC herself & the rest of the Demonic Dems in Washington.

    He might “think” that he is treating people as “Christ would, but he supports NOTHING that Jesus EVER taught us!! And he is part of a religion, just HRC claims to be, that SUPPORTS Homosexuality. They just elected a married Lesbian Bishop last year!

    So, let’s see….
    Jesus is God in the flesh. So, they obviously BOTH believe the same things & hate the same things.

    Commandment 1. ….NO other gods before Me…. who is he worshiping if He ISN’T putting God’s Commandments FIRST & NOT SUPPORTING God’s Word, as a “Christian”? Himself. God does NOT approve of what he ran on. And He changes for NO ONE. Therefore, Doug Jones worships himself.

    Commandment 6. ….NOT commit murder…. to murder is to KILL someone who is INNOCENT. To kill is to take a life in justification. So, if it takes sexual intercourse to make a baby & EVERYONE knows this & God believes that LIFE begins at Conception, then HOW did the baby do ANYTHING “to” the mother? You cannot justify murder!

    Commandment 8. ….NOT steal…..So WHY does Jones SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS who CHOOSE to STEAL & LIE by coming across the border “their” way & NOT by Law, in hopes of STEALING the American Dream? WHY would he NOT support the Law in saying that they need to apply for a Visa & do it the RIGHT way? WHY also does he SUPPORT Sanctuary Cities, who allow murders, rapists & other illegal criminals to stay in our country by not contacting ICE like the Law says they should, which ALSO makes him a CRIMINAL. Not to mention an accessory.

    Commandment 9. …..NOT lie…. He wants gun control, illegal sanctuary, supports criminal activity, supports Homosexuality, supports Transgenders in restrooms & locker rooms where children are. Yet, he says that he is against those who hurt children. Obviously, he has decided to play judge & jury instead of leaving that to God & has decided that Due Process does NOT apply & that he is sure that Moore is guilty. So, he believes the women who have LIED, as there are holes in all of their stories. And yes, there IS proof. Besides the fact that he is/ was an attorney, a person who has made a career supporting the lies of his clients. It doesn’t matter if they are lying or not, he doesn’t care. His job is to support the client & state the case of their lies as if they are true. And he is telling his voters that THESE are things that Jesus SUPPORTS?

    God is AGAINST Homosexuality, Lies, Illegal Immigration, Sanctuary Cities, Murder, Supporting Murder, Gun Control. (Two men asked Jesus how they were to protect themselves & their families. He told them ‘to sell your cloak’ & buy a sword.)

    DOUG JONES RAN AGAINST GOD!!!

  • God & Science will BOTH tell you that LIFE “begins” at Conception. One does not have to be “born” to be a baby. If you have a miscarriage weeks or months after the BABY has developed, what do you call what just died? WHY is it NOT sane or moral to give LIFE personhood? God does, why would a person NOT? No one worships fetuses! If you worship God, you believe what He does. If Jesus is your Lord & Savior, you die to yourself & you live by His rules, NOT your OWN. If you DON’T worship God, you either worship yourself or Satan. Oh, those Centers are called Planned Parenthood & Abortion Clinics.
    I really hope that you & Jones enjoy Hell together. Your morals are senseless & ridiculous. Maybe abortion isn’t such a bad idea in one way. Perhaps people like you may not be here. But, WHAT gives YOU the right to LIVE when you DON’T think that a baby has a RIGHT to?

  • I just did – I assumed you had better knowledge of the OAT than apparently you do. It is odd, I would have said that you were a lliteralist but I find myself realizing that literalism pparently only happens when it suits you.

  • I thought you said that a baby had to be born to be a baby….lol. A woman WITH child is PREGNANT, as in “inside of her womb”. And abortion is when a WOMAN chooses to murder her child within her. If she doesn’t ask for forgiveness for her sin , repent of it & hasn’t accept Jesus as her Lord & Savior by the time she dies, she will go to Hell. NO murders shall enter the kingdom of Heaven. If she continues to have abortions, she has not repented.

  • The Bible tells you life begins with the first breath. When life begins is irrelevant to personhood, which can only begin at birth when one can be physically separated from their mother and survive on their own systems.

    Its telling there is no reference to the mother, her body, her personhood or her choices. It is just the fetus and you. You treat her as if she is your property. It renders your POV utterly immoral. It makes you a terrible evil person for it.

    “WHY is it NOT sane or moral to give LIFE personhood?”

    You can’t give a fetus personhood because it has no distinct existence apart from its mother until birth. There is nothing which anyone but the mother can do to affect a fetus which does not affect its mother as well. Besides you dishonest immoral hypocrite, you are arguing against the personhood of the mother. Somehow she no longer has the power to control her own body and must submit to your opinions on the matter.

    “If you worship God…”

    Your opinion as to what constitutes religious belief is an irrelevancy. Nobody has to take it seriously nor will. Religious freedom means I never have to care what you or anyone else thinks God says or wants nor can you compel me to care.

    You have no morals to speak of here. You seek to impose your will on the lives of others, to dictate what they must believe and what they must do.

    “But, WHAT gives YOU the right to LIVE when you DON’T think that a baby has a RIGHT to?”

    If I was a pregnant woman it would be my body and entirely my choice. Moreover since it isn’t my body, I have no say in the matter and neither do you. A baby is born. We aren’t discussing them. The inability to use terms honestly typifies your POV. It is built on lying and self aggrandizement. You want to feel morally superior and dictate what others do. Get bent.

  • No. Stacy is the one who chooses to be against God. Stacy is the one who disobeys the 9th commandment. There is no need to tell these lies about Doug Jones. When you meet Jesus, your life will be changed, but right now you are serving the devil.
    I will be praying for you. Be blessed.

  • TRUE Born Again Christians do not “worship” a book. We honor, respect & follow God’s Word, which is the Holy Bible. How is an Atheist likelier to be closer to someone that they don’t even believe exists? You sound like the Pope…lol. ‘Atheists have better chance of going to Heaven than a Bad Christian’ he says. If an Atheists doesn’t believe that God exists, why would he WANT to go to a place that they say doesn’t exist & WHY would they WANT to live with someone who they say DOESN’T exist? That doesn’t even make any sense! It figures that the False Prophet would say such a thing. And just because an Atheist doesn’t believe in God or that He exists, does NOT change the FACT that there IS a Heaven & a Hell.

    And who are you to tell sandinwindsor what he or she thinks or understands? If you are an Atheist how would you know what the ‘whole thing actually means’? WHY would a Book that was inspired by God, the Creator that you don’t even think exists matter to you? If you don’t believe in Him, much less, KNOW Him, how would you even have any idea of what it’s meaning is? Your knee & every other Atheists, Satanists, etc.will bend to Jesus @ His Second Coming.

  • The fact that you are asking me to explain the differences between being born and gestating shows what kind of dishonest and irrational view you have.

    How about this? If you can take custody of a fetus from its mother like you can a born child then I can take you seriously. Being a troll with a ridiculous canned script to go on, you naturally don’t use your head and note logically that use of the term “birth” is any kind of separation from the mother where the fetus can survive on its own.

    Until then you are just a dishonest immoral self-righteous fool who is just seeking to treat women as your personal property and denying their personhood.

    One has to be born to be murdered. Even in the Bible. The penalty for causing a miscarriage was a monetary fine. Not the penalty for murder.

    BTW you lying sack of crap, “late term abortions” are only done to save the mother’s life and invariably for women who intended to keep their pregnancy.

    “If the mother has already carried the child for nine months, what is WRONG with her that she would not allow the baby to be delivered & adopted to a family who is unable to have a child? ”

    Um, dishonest turd, the official procedure for removing a fetus capable of life outside a womb is referred to in the medical profession as “birth”. The only time you see viable children killed by doctors is when abortion is banned and hack doctors run rampant mutilating poor women.

  • A child/baby is born. Saying “with child” is an expression but not a sign of personhood.

    Having an opinion on a woman’s choices as to what goes on her body is a far cry from having a say.

    You are under the mistaken impression that you are entitled to interject yourself into such matters. As if women are your personal property whose body is under your control and whim.

    As for Jesus, God, Hell and whatnot, nobody has to care what you think on such things. I certainly won’t ever bother to take such grand pronouncements seriously. There is no morality in your position. It is merely narcissism. The feeling that as a self-proclaimed moral superior you have the divine right to force people to do as you say. Even when it comes to issues of one’s own body.

    Morals involve having respect for personhood of others. That their lives are their own and not your property. But then again, this was never about morality for you. It was about pretending to feel superior to others.

    Bless your heart. Feel free to pray for me. 🙂

  • Mr. Karl:

    Thank you for your reply.

    What Almighty God has banned can be found in His Ten Commandments (Which are elites try to ban) and indeed slavery and rape are called serious or mortal sins.

    And God has given you and Hitler free will. And like Hitler you can mock God all you like. And like Hitler, the great abortionists, you (and I) will die and will be judged.

    Do not be a mocker of God on Judgement Day.

    And be of good cheer. Christ has risen! And he comes to us this Christmas as a helpless babe.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • After he let the baby die on the seventh day of ‘causing him to be very sick’ in spite of prayers and repentance. Part of David’s punishment by Goa as prophesier by Nathan for having Bathsheba’s husband killed. Certainly cannot recall clear judgment or direction from God to stop the practice of ripping open the wombs of pregnant women – done by the Israelites as well as other countries. The only thing was the soorow of Elisha in anointing Hazael.

  • And the Lord brought the baby home.
    Christ was cleansing the land for His people – as any Leader would.

  • Which would be Sheol. David is explaining why he is no longer fasting. Penance and entreaty did not save the infant. and there is nothing more he could do to save the baby. Coming home not an OT/Jewish understanding at that time. Lots of other descriptors but not that one in the OT.

  • The reasons listed above. Try not to get too confused. Standing in front of a planned parenthood screaming baby murder isn’t going to stop girls from having sex. Access to proper sex education and birth control is the best deterrent to abortion. Prayer is literally the least you can do to prevent it.
    WIC allows pregnant mothers with limited income to make sure the fetus is healthy. Telling them to get a better job or pray for their baby’s health is not going to help the fetus become a healthy baby.
    Planned Parenthood provides prenatal care for mothers to be that want to keep their babies but can’t afford healthcare because you and your ilk put pedophiles and con artists over the healthy mothers because you want a theocracy.

    Quote your fantasy novel all you want. But you are only justifying your actual apathy for the fetus.

  • How can the USA survive?

    Hitler came to power and legalized abortion in Germany in 1933 and 500,00 Germans were slaughtered yearly in their mothers’ wombs until Hitler went to meet his maker in 1945. There was little opposition to Hitler’s baby murder law.

    Five lawyers legalized baby murder in the USA in 1973 which launched a racist slaughter of some 60-million American babies in their mothers’ wombs. However there was great opposition to the lawyers’ baby murdering law in the USA. And the USA has survived longer than Hitler’s Third Reich. But the opposition came from the humble. The elites, the eggheads and the powerful are delighted with their ability to murder babies.

    And now we have elected yet another Senator with teh blood of innocents on his hands.

    God hears the cries of His innocents slaughtered in their mothers’ wombs. We should all pray and sacrifice that God will withhold His righteous wrath from our beloved country.

    But in the meantime be of good cheer. Christ has risen! And he comes to us this Christmas as a helpless babe.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • So clarify for me then. You said that it’s having a heart, etc. that distinguishes a tumor from a person and thus what constitutes murder in the latter case. Now you are trying to walk it back because obviously BY YOUR OWN DEFINITION there is no person until there is a heart, circulation, etc. Where I am misunderstanding what you wrote? I think YOU just have a vast lack of understanding about how fetal development and cellular differentiation even works, or how malleable the entire process is. The irony in particular that you use a sheep as your profile photo.. the first higher mammal to be successfully cloned. We have the skill to do the same with people, and even more, but it’s of course illegal and a big part of the reason is because of how many conundrums such advancements bring up for the whole forced birther argument that life starts at conception.

    Here’s another question, if you become a unique “person” at conception, how do you explain identical twins? The separation of the fertilized eggs that occurs happens typically more than a day, sometimes 2 or more after conception. That would seem to be pretty strong proof that BY GOD’S OWN DESIGN, we aren’t a “person” at conception. So clearly ensoulment happens at some later time, and you are playing God to say that you know when that is. I sure don’t. I don’t believe that there is a person when there is just an undifferentiated clump of cells no different morphologically from many tumors and I would have no qualms at all about using something like a morning after pill to prevent a fertilized egg from attaching. Why should I have YOUR beliefs forced on me and my fellow Christians that read the same Bible and find that it doesn’t support your interpretation?? And that conflicts with what medical science teaches as well? Do you believe any other religious sects should have the right to set laws for us? Why are YOU special in that regard?

  • I didn’t mean to infer that – thought was part of a comment made by Shawnie as to what David inferred as to where the baby went when he broke his fast after the baby died. – Sheol is/was the place that the Jewish people believed people went when they died. Numerous varying OT descriptions. The valley of the dry bones. http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/13563-sheol Only exceptions that I can think of off-hand are Moses (possibly) , Enoch and Elijah.

    Sheol was much later translated into the Greek as Hades.

  • Ouch, such a retort. I love how you keep resorting to these kinds of comments when someone points out the absurdity of your arguments and you have no actual defense to come up with. I guess I’ll tell trans people the next time someone says they aren’t a “real” man or woman, to just point out that they looked like one in the womb. Which of course, go back early enough in development, male and female are the same. Since by your argument, it’s what we looked like before being a fully differentiated and viable person that determines what we are. So case closed on that one!

  • And fortunately Jesus told us the real state of the dead — that God IS, not was, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob as well as all of the righteous who die in Him and are alive in His presence

  • Not to mention the lies about how and why late term abortions are done (Spuddie didn’t mention the other major reason when there’s a major health defect that will cause the baby to be born in severe pain and suffer a painful and short life…. such abortions are an absolutely heart-wrenching terrible decision and the WORST thing for parents that have to make such decisions is dealing with hateful people like this on top of losing their child). I don’t debate with people like this because they are getting their information from the kind of sites that make fake videos and publish absolutely crazy fake information about abortions to suck these people into their web of hatred. They are completely off their rockers to believe this stuff, and are too far gone to reason with.

  • I personally don’t agree with it either. As the WaPo slogan goes, Democracy Dies in Darkness. I would rather see what lies people are being fed so I can debate them and show them up as the lies they are so maybe other people will think twice about believing them.

  • Yeah, and I find it ironic that the same people that accuse black people of wanting to just live off the government teat, etc. seem to WANT more unwanted black children in the world, to further bloat the already strained foster care system, and cost even MORE government resources. While at the same time they elect someone that puts a man in the AG office who wants to go back to the War on Drugs that has so devastated the black families and is such a HUGE cause of black men being incarcerated at such high rates, which leads to chronic unemployment (just try finding a job when you have a felony drug charge on your record) etc. These are ALSO the same people that support this President throwing hard working families out of the country that have nowhere to go, from war torn or crime ridden countries, all under the guise that we just can’t support them, because there aren’t enough jobs to go around. HELLO!! If we are so short on jobs that we have to act with such incredible lack of compassion, how can we afford to bring millions of unwanted babies into the world??? That makes ZERO sense at all. You’d think we’d want to do all we can not to let the population explode more if we are so determined to keep people out of the country we’d spend millions to build a wall just on the off chance it might keep a handful out that aren’t determined enough to go over, under or around it some other way. It all leads back to how this has VERY little to do with the sanctity of life. Virtually nothing…. because in so many other ways, they show that once you are born, you’re on your own, you can live or die or suffer, and they’ll just talk about “personal responsibility” or “reap what you sow” or other trite phrases that completely ignore every single thing Jesus taught us about loving and caring for one another. So it doesn’t matter whether that baby is going to have a good life, a loving family, health care, a good education, etc. Not one bit. But they will pat themselves on the back for saving “babies” from being murdered and then gleefully turn around and vote people into office who support laws that harm millions and millions of more people every passing day.

  • Oh such a non-biased source of information. This group exists solely to try and bring PP down, they are hardly a source of trust-worthy information. There has never been ANY credible evidence PP covers up sexual abuse. Not when all they have are a couple highly edited videos and no follow-up whatsoever to show what the PP workers would have done if the girls actually WERE brought in (they could very well be playing along to try and get them safely away from the fake pimps). Not to mention the fact that they reported the visit, etc. http://healthland.time.com/2011/02/03/what-did-the-planned-parenthood-sting-really-accomplish/

  • There’s a difference between “life” and a living human being. Every single cell in my body is alive (and human) but those cells on their own are not a person. A tumor growing in me is also human and alive….but I assume you would agree that THAT is not a person either. THAT is why it’s NOT sane to give any kind of “life” personhood. And medical science CLEARLY defines a baby differently than you are, using arguments based solely on emotion, not on any kind of science or logic. And you’re right, we ARE supposed to live by God’s rules…. One of which is that we are NOT to judge each other, but leave that up to GOD. And that we aren’t supposed to try and IMPOSE our beliefs and morality on others that do NOT believe but to change their minds and hearts in how we live. Not by abusing them, vilifying them, telling them they are going to hell. There certainly is no clear statement in the Bible about life beginning at conception by any stretch of the imagination regardless, this is only YOUR PERSONAL interpretation which many Christians do NOT agree with, let alone non-Christians. So what gives YOU the right to take the place of GOD and stand in judgement of other people??

  • Curious to see you using this phrase, “some before conception” – which is a clear admission that using the Bible to claim life begins at conception is problematic on its very face, because to God there is no beginning and end to that life that is so discrete… as you just have now pointed out. Since God “knows” us and has plans for us even BEFORE conception, we now have to include any kind of birth control into the whole “murder” category you are so callously throwing about. So 90+% of American women by your definition are murderers.

  • Hitler was a faithful Christian, doing what many Christians believed was God’s work.

    It’s easy to get good people to do evil things, just tell them it’s God’s will.

    Christmas is/was a pagan festival that the Church adopted; if you’ve actually read your bible, you’d know that Jesus was born in the spring. If you knew anything about history and the law, you’d know that Joseph and Mary wouldn’t have been forced to travel to another town to take part in a Roman Census, of which no record actually exists.

  • Well, that’s quite a delusional comment.

    You should know, Muhammed is the real Prophet of Allah, and you’re worshiping the prophet Jesus. When the Day of Judgement arrives, it will be you and your fellow ‘True Scotsmen’ who are in peril of hell fire.

  • Shawnie, I’m afraid you’re only 1 for 3 there, as Sandi specified Christ, and only 1 of your references comes from the New Testament.

    However, if we’re to look at the whole bible, then we have to conclude that the stance on abortion / baby-killing is contradictory at best:

    Here are the pro-baby-killing verses:
    Genesis 38:24
    Exodus 21:22-23
    Leviticus 27:6
    Numbers 3:15-16, 5:21-28, 31:15-17
    Hosea 9:14-16, 13:16
    2 Samuel 12:14

  • Christ is behind the entire OT. The Torah in particular, as the Torah was given to Moses by the God who described Himself as “I AM” and Jesus identified Himself as that same God (John 8:58). As for the rest of the OT writers, Jesus called them His messengers and rebuked the people for not having listened to them, both in their day and in His. He told a particularly troubling tale about a man in hades whose brothers were heading to the same unhappy place for not having heeded Moses and the prophets.

  • Mr. Karl:
    Hitler the Anti-Christian

    Thank you for your reply.

    You simply cannot be that ignorant.

    Hitler did not go to Church. He did not read the Holy Bible. He did not pray. Hitler did not believe that Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was the Son of God. He most certainly did not believe that Jesus was his personal savior. Hitler claiemd that the Jews’ greatest crime was giving birth to Christianity which in turn weakened and pacified the Aryan Volk.

    Have you not read Mein Kamph?

    or Alan Bullock? ” Hitler: a Study in Tyranny; Harper Perennial Edition 1991; p. 219: “Hitler had been brought up a Catholic and was impressed by the organisation and power of the Church… [but] to its teachings he showed only the sharpest hostility… he detested [Christianity]’s ethics in particular”.

    or Ian Kershaw? ; Hitler: a Biography; Norton; 2008 ed; pp. 295–297: “In early 1937 [Hitler] was declaring that ‘Christianity was ripe for destruction’, and that the Churches must yield to the ‘primacy of the state’, railing against any compromise with ‘the most horrible institution imaginable'”

    or Richard J. Evans? The Third Reich at War; Penguin Press; New York 2009, p. 547: Evans wrote that Hitler believed Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and “Priests, he said, were ‘black bugs’, ‘abortions in black cassocks'”. Evans noted that Hitler saw Christianity as “indelibly Jewish in origin and character” and a “prototype of Bolshevism”, which “violated the law of natural selection”.

    You must be either a college graduate or another George Sorros bot.

    If you are working for George Sorros then you should be give him his money back. Turn to Christ insrtead.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Karl:
    Hitler the Anti-Christian

    Thank you for your reply.

    Again you simply cannot be that ignorant. You must be either a college graduate or another George Sorros bot.

    The Saints baptized the local cultures as they found them. The Christmas tradition is especially strong in Bavaria. They settled in Boston and their Church was named the Christmas tree or Christmas card church. It was they who initiated Christmas Cards and the Christmas tree in America.

    And Grinches and Ebeneezer Scrooges like you have been whining about Christmas ever since. Enjoy your anti-depressants over the Christmas season.

    If you are working for George Sorros then you should be give him his money back. Turn to Christ instead.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • And here is another troll:

    “In view of the large families of the Slav native population, it could only suit us if girls and women there had as many abortions as possible. We are not interested in seeing the non-German population multiply…We must use every means to instill in the population the idea that it is harmful to have several children, the expenses that they cause and the dangerous effect on woman’s health… It will be necessary to open special institutions for abortions and doctors must be able to help out there in case there is any question of this being a breach of their professional ethics” – Adolf Hitler

    Of course Mr. Jones’ racist abortion programs are not against the Slav population but the black and minority population.

    Over half of the 60-million baby murders since Roe v Wade have been babies of color.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Joseph Clark

    Exactly. Kinda like that other Christian politician, Adolf Hitler, who also advocated racist baby murder.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • You forgot Psalm 137:8-9

    O daughter Babylon, you devastator!
    Happy shall they be who pay you back
    what you have done to us!
    Happy shall they be who take your little ones
    and dash them against the rock!

  • Karl…….if you are going to open your mouth and stick your foot in it……you need to learn the art of conversation. Go to the top of this page and click “Oldest” comments. And then read the CONVERSATION. Good grief. If you don’t have the time; don’t bother making a comment.

  • Stacy, Sandi, FloydLee, and all the others were made in the image of God. We have to love them and hold on to hope that one of these days they come to a realization that what they are practicing is diametrically opposed to the gospel they say they are defending. Who knows what terribly wounds they have suffered that they need relief from!

  • God’s relation with the mother of Jesus was what?

    If Mary couldn’t refuse his advances, God is a rapist.

  • Wow, Xtians like you really do live in an alternate reality.

    BTW, your comment about Sorros makes me think you’re an anti-Semite.

  • I am! Especially as an atheist, it just makes my case for rejecting your religion all the more stronger! 🙂

    My objective in presenting such a case against Christianity (as well as Judaism and Islam) is theoretical, not practical. I am not so naïve as to suppose that the arguments set forth here will induce many people to give up their Christian beliefs. My claim is simply that in light of my discussion, rational people should give up these beliefs.

    All that I say is, examine, inquire. Look into the nature of things. Search out the grounds of your opinions, the for and the against. Know why you believe, understand what you believe, and possess a reason for the faith you have.

    For example, do you really think a being that is intelligent enough to create the entire universe would be so arrogant and petty that he would have people suffer for eternity if they won’t be his cheerleader?

  • I’ve seen that kind of ‘film’ before. There is no other side. The Germans, led by the Nazis, murdered at least 6 million Jewish people. They did that after blaming them for the ‘stab in the back’ of November 1918. Germany did launch WWI, with the help of Austria-Hungary. Those are the facts.

    I’m not going to be called a ‘lemming’ by a Nazi apologist. If there is a hell, you’ll be able to talk to your heroes when you arrive there.

  • It’s certainly not Fascism.

    I offered Hinduism, but in light of your Nazi apologist video, I’ll offer you shamism.

  • I do not believe in eternal “suffering” in hell. Scripture indicates that there is an unhappy future state after death for the unrepentant, but I think it also indicates that ultimately the soul that sins shall die in the “second death.” If God intends to restore the entire universe to perfection, it makes sense that He would not continue to harbor those who do not wish to fulfill their purposes within it.

  • Those who call themselves “pro-life” yet support capital punishment and/or the US war machine are nothing but hypocrites, are anything but pro-life and are anything but Christian.

  • We have it on the very best authority—Christians Just Like You— that Hitler was not a Christian. And that Nazi antisemitism was not fo7mded in 1900 years of Christian antisemitism.

    I never know which one of youople to believe.

  • I will be a mocker of god as long as you and your ilk continue to mock your god.

    What’s sauce for the goose is clearly sauce for the propaganda.

  • His Ten Commandments?

    I especially like the one about adultery.

    I’m sure you voted for Trump, because he is thrice married and has openly bragged about adultery.

  • True- it does not say that the fighting men kill the child, but that they are fighting and “the child exits from her.” The problem with arguments I’ve seen that this refers to a premature birth rather than a miscarriage is that the verse provides for a damages assessment. A child born prematurely but alive, even if she could survive in the first millennium BCE, still is alive. Even today, damages for medical malpractice in this area are based on the medical needs, suffering, etc. of the child. The prematurity alone is not a tort. The verse goes on to say, “and there is no ‘ason,'” meaning, and there is no further injury. For damages there must be an injury. A miscarriage is and always has been an injury.
    I also question the newer translations that put it as “premature,” like the NIV and NKJV. How the original King James put it as “her fruit departs from her” and the New King James got to “gives birth prematurely” is more a matter of abortion politics than translation.
    In any event, correct translation or not, this verse is the basis for the Jewish view that abortion, while frowned upon and sometimes forbidden (although sometimes mandated), is not the equivalent of the murder of a born human being.

  • Prayer is indeed the least you can do about anything. Prayer is what you do when you don’t want to do anything, but don’t want to appear to be doing nothing.

  • Life begins at conception and god would tell you that? Not according to genesis. Can you give the exact citation where god says this? thought not.

    $50 they were given to vote? What is asserted without evience can be ignored. But reviling and slander is ever your so called christian way.

    Commandment 1: so there are other gods? Good to know? Hey, Cthulhu. Grant my prayer.

    Commandment 6: moral relativism at its finest.

    Oh, hell. Your whole post is a pack of moral relativism.

  • Oh, goody, anti gay, anti catholic. Reviling and slandering.

    How did you manage to leave out the Jews.

  • They also murdered at least 5 million other people in their death camps. As well as about 3 million Soviet POWs. All done in the name of a Christian god.

    It takes religion to make good men do evil things. The Holocaust is a prime example of that. If there is an afterlife, I hope we can meet up and I can introduce you to the people who Hitler murdered. I’m sure they’ll be happy to set you straight.

  • “140 Occurrences Of The Word Holocaust The Number 6,000,000 Before The Nuremberg Trials Began —

    There are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism — 1900 Originally Posted by Stephen S. Wise, New York Times, June 11, 1900

    While there are in Russia and Rumania six millions of Jews who are being systematically degraded… .. 1902 Originally Posted by Encyclopaedia Britannica, 10th Edition, 1902, page 482

    […] the final and definite deliverance of the six millions of Russian, Roumanian and Galician Jews […] transporting five or six million people over the sea. — Originally Posted by The Jewish Criterion (Pittsburgh), October 7th, 1904 …”

    Just to name a few of the 140 citations.
    For Eyes to See and Ears to Hear.

  • You do realize that medical science is giving and taking away life ALL THE TIME, right? You cannot hold this position and then not see the contradiction if you get treatment for cancer, surgery for a blocked artery, etc.

  • I also find it extremely contradictory that the party you vote for, based on this idea that only God can take away life STILL supports capital punishment. And continues to put people to death KNOWING that we have systemic issues in our justice system and problems with doing it humanely. I will always believe that God values sentient, adult life far greater than your obsession with embryos back to the point of being nothing more than a clump of cells.

  • You are vermin.

    I studied that period of time in University. You’ve now made my blocked list. I don’t talk with Nazi scum like you.

  • To be clear… these people are presenting a side of Christianity that many of us do NOT follow. I enjoy having religious discussions with atheists myself, because those of us that have a scientific background and use that as part of the grounds of our faith, have a lot more in common with atheists that we do with these evangelical Christians that believe in forcing their religion on others.

  • Agreed. Bearers of false witness should receive the banhammer. But then we’d have no right-wingers left.

  • I was blessed to also have a pastor that was also trained in a scientific field himself, so my message is always that people DON’T have to give up their religion to believe in science or when they see how these extreme positions can lead to electing someone as evil as Trump or supporting a Moore for office. Read #EmptyThePews on twitter for all the people that are leaving these churches because of this kind of rhetoric… some leaving completely but many like me just seeking ot like minded people and churches. johnpavlovitz.com is a blog by a progressive pastor that I particularly enjoy (also since he lives here in Raleigh!)

  • Oh I definitely know that. We’ve been seeing the evil of the evangelical movement growing for decades and worse is dragging many of the Catholics along with them (again on the abortion issue… I know very few Catholics who really like Trump at all, and a LOT of Hispanics are Catholic as well). The best the rest of us can do is continue to talk about it and point out how deluded they are and how dangerous being a one-issue voter is, how it’s not at all following Jesus’ message, etc. And letting people know there is NOTHING wrong with being Democrat and Christian as well.

  • Jones is a “Christian,” according to RNS?

    He’s for the “legal” murder of babies.

    I.e., not a “Christian.”

  • Moore wasn’t even accused of pederasty and embezzlement.

    Nevertheless, those are trivial matters next to slicing babies to pieces.

  • What’s the number of the “Starve Babies” legislation? Or the other pieces of legislation you mention?

  • Which is fine… personally I consider myself a Progressive, not a Democrat (not a big fan of parties) but the idea is the same, that you don’t have to be right wing to be Christian. As some Christians try to claim.

  • But most of us liberal Christians ALSO believe in separation of church and state. We don’t get into a tizzy over whether people say “Happy Holidays” and we don’t believe in teaching religious theory vs. evolution in science classes. We don’t believe someone has to be a Christian to be in elected office and we generally are supportive of gay marriage and LGBTQ rights. So while you might disagree with my choice on faith, I’d expect you would find it less “wrong” in how I practice it vs. those that want us to be a Christian state.

  • If it’s legal, it’s not murder. Murder is a legal definition, period. Maybe you should read the comments on this page already before starting this argument again.

  • And no one is “for” abortion. We are for the rights of women to decide something for themselves that is basically a religious question. If you believe it’s murder, then fine, don’t have an abortion.

  • You could start with cuts to SNAP. There’s the fact that CHIP has still not been refunded. The ACA that they’ve repeatedly tried to repeal insures many poor families. And frankly the whole tax bill is just the latest push by the GOP to further explode the debt so they can wail about how we are going bankrupt so they can once and for all get rid of Medicaid/Medicare/SS basically the New Deal state they hate so much, and that helps so many poor, which their policies that have shifted so much of the wealth to the top has grown the lower classes more and more each year. https://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/03/food-banks-fight-congress-food-stamp-cuts-242268

  • The thing is too, the reason Christians like myself support the Left is because they do things that are PROVEN to help reduce unwanted pregnancies… and that also provide MORE support to poor women if they DO decide to keep their babies. We believe in supporting people their entire lives, not in trying to force religious positions on people (a way of preventing abortion that has NEVER EVER worked). We’re also willing to look at reasonable restrictions on late term abortions (which we do already have but can always be re-evaluated if there are concerns) but that as long as the other side is about NO ABORTIONS ever no matter what time in pregnancy and preventing women from having morning after pills and making getting SAFE abortions as hard as possible, it’s hard to find ways to work together on making abortions safe… but not a first choice.

  • And therein we can see the evil that people will support because of this all-or-nothing position on abortion. You can physically abuse children (and have it be considered “trivial”)…. as long as you have a pro-life position (you don’t even have to be a true believer… as is certainly the case with Trump, who has never shown any actual interest in being a practicing Christian). It amazes me that people ACTUALLY think this is what Jesus would support.

  • Mr. Karl:
    George Sorros, Nazi War Criminal, Antisemite and enemy of Israel

    Thank you for your reply.

    The Prime Minister of the Jewish State has called the NAZI War Criminal George Sorros an Antisemite and enemy of Israel.

    The NAZI War Criminal is also fanatically in favor of Jewish doctors murdering Jewish babies in the wombs of Jewish mothers.

    I, OTH, support the Jewish State and think what teh world needs now is more beautiful Jewish babies.

    I suspect Santa will leave three lumps of coal in your stocking for being such a Grinch.

    If you are working for George Sorros then you should be give him his money back. Turn to Christ instead.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Not to mention that scientifically it does NOT take sexual intercourse to make a baby. While ethically we don’t, there is nothing biologically that prevents cloning people just as we can do with higher animals. Of course, the biggest holdup to using such technologies for saving ADULT lives is that doing so kills off a lot of the arguments of the forced birthers over when life begins.

  • Mr. Karl:
    Re: Immaculate Conception

    Thank you for your reply.

    You must be a theology PhD Candidate at a modern Ivy League College.

    It is called the Immaculate Conception where Mary’s “Yes” as opposed to Eve’s “No” changed salvation history.

    Do not be a mocker of God or His Immaculate Mother on Judgement Day.

    And be of good cheer. Christ has risen! And he comes to us this Christmas as a helpless babe.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • 5 Faith Facts uncovered:

    1. Jones is not a Christian, (a follower of Christ) otherwise he would not support abortion or the LGBT community?
    2. Just because Jones goes to church doesn’t make him a Christian anymore than standing in a garage would make you a car. Jesus taught, “in that day many will come to me and say Lord Lord, didn’t we cast out demons in your name? and He said, Be gone from me ye workers of iniquity, I never knew you. (See fact #1 for why Jones is among this number)
    3. Against KKK? Really? Then how could he take money from them? Doug Jones defended a man with ties to the KKK and white supremacist (sic) groups. Doug Jones not only defended this man in court, he also took money from well-known KKK supporter Tom Posey. (both claims can’t be true)
    4. (See #1) God does not condone the killing of children in the womb….yet somehow Mr. Jones, “the holy one” does?
    5. Treat people as Christ would? Please give us all a break…the man can not tell the truth…Christ is the Truth. In these 5 simple facts he has proven to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing at best. He is no Christian and anyone who claims otherwise ought to read their bible more carefully.

  • Mr. Karl:
    Re: Immaculate Conception-2

    Thank you for your reply.

    What Hindu would accept a man who believes in nothing?

    Do not be a mocker of God or His Immaculate Mother on Judgement Day.

    And be of good cheer. Christ has risen! And he comes to us this Christmas as a helpless babe.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Most likely not. However, I was raised in a Catholic family with strong pro-life positions, marched in RIght to Life marches, etc. But I grew a brain and finally saw how harmful and uncaring these people are to women and particularly seeing people voting time and again on this issue ALONE in ways that seemed to contradict everything else I knew about what Jesus tells us to do. So it IS possible for some to change… just ones that are as adamant as these folks, that don’t have open minds anymore, probably not.

  • Your ignorance and dishonesty on all fronts is duly noted. No need to argue with you on facts you could look up but choose to pretend don’t exist.

  • Anyone who believes this load of crap ought to have their head examined.

    That could be said for all of you religious people. What kind of adult still clings to imaginary friends?

  • Point 4 is just plain false. Try reading your bible:

    Abortion is not murder. A fetus is not considered a human life.
    Exodus 21:22-23

    The Bible places no value on fetuses or infants less than one month old.
    Leviticus 27:6
    Numbers 3:15-16

    God sometimes approves of killing fetuses.
    Numbers 31:15-17
    Hosea 9:14-16
    Hosea 13:16

    God sometimes causes abortions by cursing unfaithful wives.
    Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28

    God’s law sometimes requires the execution (by burning to death) of pregnant women.
    Genesis 38:24

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown

    The kind who is not going to spend all eternity burning in Hell?

    Time to convert to Christ.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Please.

    We are New Testament Christians.

    Not Old Testament Hebrews.

    You must hold a PhD in Theology from a modern Ivy League University.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Time to convert to Christ? And how do you know you’re correct, and not one of the myriad other religions around the world? Quite arrogant of you, Ricky.

    God Less,
    No More Bad Town

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown

    And how do you know that there is no Hell for you (or I) to burn in for all eternity?

    Time to convert to Christ.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Again. Please.

    Not one of your Old Testament citations mentions the word “abortion”.

    Neither does your New Testament citation.

    Try again.

    You must hold a PhD in Theology from a modern Ivy League University.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown

    So you admit you do not know what you are talking about?

    Time to convert to Christ.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown

    You have indeed made claims.

    You claimed above that both the Old Testament and the New Testament permit abortion. (Really? Planned Parenthood has been hustling those citations for decades)

    You have also claimed that God and His Saints are “imaginary”.

    And you are not God Less; but you worship the murder of innocents.

    Time to convert to Christ.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Yet. Again. Please.

    Have you actual read the Old Testament citations you cited? They have been hustled by Planned Parenthood for decades as justification for murdering babies.

    They do not mention, infer or hint at surgical or chemical abortion.

    Try at least to be original in your baby murdering advocacy..

    You must hold a PhD in Theology from a modern Ivy League University.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ricky

    I have proved that both the Old Testament and the New Testament permit abortion.

    I have made no claim that your god nor his saints (I never even referenced saints) are imaginary. I have instead asked for you to prove the existence of such a being.

    And I am indeed God Less; as I do not worship anything or anyone.

    God Less,
    NoMoreBadTown

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    You must be a PhD candidate somewhere.

    Nazi racial theory was and is based on paganism and Darwinism as expressed by Harvard University Professor Charles C. Davenport, who among others things edited two Nazi journals in racial theory and was literally a card carrying member of the NAZI Party.

    IN a sense Nazi racial theory sprang from Yankee New England.

    Some non-Harvard, British professors on Hitler, Paganism and Christianity.

    Alan Bullock ” Hitler: a Study in Tyranny; Harper Perennial Edition 1991; p. 219: “Hitler had been brought up a Catholic and was impressed by the organisation and power of the Church… [but] to its teachings he showed only the sharpest hostility… he detested [Christianity]’s ethics in particular”.

    Ian Kershaw? ; Hitler: a Biography; Norton; 2008 ed; pp. 295–297: “In early 1937 [Hitler] was declaring that ‘Christianity was ripe for destruction’, and that the Churches must yield to the ‘primacy of the state’, railing against any compromise with ‘the most horrible institution imaginable'”

    Richard J. Evans The Third Reich at War; Penguin Press; New York 2009, p. 547: Evans wrote that Hitler believed Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and “Priests, he said, were ‘black bugs’, ‘abortions in black cassocks'”. Evans noted that Hitler saw Christianity as “indelibly Jewish in origin and character” and a “prototype of Bolshevism”, which “violated the law of natural selection”.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Then you know that the citation in question do not refer to either surgical or chemical abortions.

    Good. We are making progress.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Neither you nor George Sorros nor Planned Parenthood have made presented no such proof.

    The citations in question do not refer to either surgical nor chemical abortion nor do they even mention the word abortion.

    No. You worship[ cild murder. And that is a sign of the demonic.

    Time to convert to Christ.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • I like you better than the Nazi apologist, but man…

    You aren’t having a conversation with anyone. You’re just giving orders, like you’re some sort of drill instructor for Jebus. If anything, your actions are justifying my blasphemy.

    You do realize that your claim of ‘His Immaculate Mother’ is an incarnation of the old female fertility goddess, right?

    No, I’m not a theology student. I did study history, and I have had the bible shoved in my face so often that I finally read the whole thing. That’s why I criticize religious ‘thinkers’. You, and the other modern day zealots, are a grave threat to the rational world.

    I might not believe in any gods, but I do know evil when I read it.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Brute force is literally what happens in modern 21st American abortion chambers where the racist Neo-Nazi race theory is pursued at tax payers expense.

    And your citations neither mention abortion, or a woman’s right to an abortion, or a man’s right to force a woman to have an abortion, or any surgical or chemical procedure, or the legalization for by statue of murdering babies in the womb, or the right of the State to impose, force or demand abortions of women.

    Sadly we are not making progress.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Just because you claim/embrace the purported the proof doesn’t mean it is there.

    Try again.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Please. You can do better than that.

    Show how your citations authorize the murder of babies in teh womb by surgical or chemical methods.

    That cannot be too hard. Can it?

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • You have yet to refute my evidence or prove any of your own claims, so we’re just going in circles, which means we’re done. Your perseverance is just the courage to ignore the obvious wisdom of giving up.

  • I studied that period of time in University
    So what?!!! Does that mean the quotes don’t exist. Over 400 citations for 6 Mil. Just a cohencedence?

  • perhaps that is why the RCC fights it so much, Mary.
    If you think about it, it isn not when the baby first lived….the sperm was alive and it impregnated the egg. The baby has always been alive.

  • Prayer does a lot more than you would think Sarah.
    Trying to save another life from being murdered is good.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Then be bored by these OT citations attesting to human life in teh womb.

    The OT clearly prohibits the killing of innocent people (Exodus 20:13).

    The OT teaches that men and women are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:27)

    The OT described the way God created Job before he was born (Job 10:8-12).

    The OT described the way God says, “This is what the Lord says – he who made you, who formed you in the womb” (Isaiah 44:2).

    The OT described in Psalm 139:13-16 paints a graphic picture of the intimate involvement of God with a preborn person. David says to his Creator, “You knit me together in my mother’s womb.”

    The OT describes Jacob was given prominence over his twin Esau “though not yet born” (Romans 9:11).

    The OT describes when Rebekah was pregnant with Jacob and Esau, Scriptures says, “The babies jostled each other within her” (Genesis 25:22).

    The OT describes how God tells Jeremiah, “Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you” (Jeremiah 1:5).

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Your purported evidence has been refuted above with OT citations acknowledging the humanity of a Baby in its mothers’ wombs.

    Tell George Sorros and Planned Parenthood they will have to do better.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    It is not my sacred scripture. It is Almighty God’s sacred scripture.

    And the Old Testament shows consistently the value of innocent human life in and outside the womb.

    The Baby inside the womb is described as a “baby”.

    Try again.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Sorry. Your post is senseless. But let me remind you:

    5th Commandment. Do no murder. Abortion is murder.

    Christ is coming.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Science does not create life. It can only preserve it for a time. Scientists have tried to create life from non-life and failed every time.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Look in the phone book under “Nazi War Criminal”

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Prove it is not.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Ms. Mary Jo:

    And if it legal it is not slavery.

    Democrats are the party of slavery and baby murder.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • “Indeed he has built his political career on the bodies of some 60-million babies…”

    Eighth commandment: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor!

    When Christ shows up, please be sure to wake me. Unless I’m dead, in which case, don’t bother,.

  • Ms. Mary Jo:

    Of course not.

    That is why more than half of the 60-million American babies murdered in their mothers’ wombs since 1973 are babies of color.

    Jesse Jackson (before he became famous) called this slaughter the “genocide” of the black race.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Ms. Mary Jo:

    Please. You are not a Christian. You do not love Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christa:

    “If you love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:21-24

    You violate His Commandment against murder of innocents.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    The 60-million figure comes from Planned Parenthood.

    And over half of those murders are of babies of color.

    Mass murderers always seem to be racists too.

    Christ is coming.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    The really nice thing about Christianity for us sinners is that Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ loves a repentant heart and forgives the sinner.

    He will forgive your support for racist mass murder too.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr Karl:

    Do you not advocate for the murder of Jewish babies by Jewish doctors in the Jewish State?

    And at a time when what the world now needs is more Jewish babies?

    And at a time when the number of Jewish babies murdered by surgical and chemical abortion now exceeds the number of Jews murdered by Hitler?

    Who is the Nazi scum here?

    Time to convert to Christ.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • “The verse goes on to say, “and there is no ‘ason,'” meaning, and there is no further injury.” Actually there is no basis for adding “further” to the text. It simply says that “her children come forth, but there is no harm.” The “harm” mentioned would presumably be serious (it is the same word used for the “harm” Jacob feared would befall Benjamin if he went to Egypt with his brothers).

    “For damages there must be an injury.” There is no liability for simple assault in Jewish law? I thought the Mishnah counted pain, shame, and recovery time taken away from work to all appropriate for compensation in the event of an assault.

    It’s very telling that the word the OT uses a number of times for “miscarriage” is nowhere to be found here. Instead we have the verb “come out” and a noun that is elsewhere used to refer to full grown sons.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    What burden? What exactly do I have to prove?

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Indeed I am. Or you can ask the Prime Minister of the Jesus State who has described the War Criminal in question as an “antisemite”

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • That’s what they’d call chutzpah. It’s your theology which was used by Hitler to wipe out a large part of the Jewish population.

    You are the religious fascist. Don’t you advocate that Christ return to rule over the Earth with a rod of iron? That’s what Hitler wanted to do…

  • WTF are you babbling about, old man? Prime Minister of the Jesus State? Is that the kind of garbage they taught you at Manhattan College?

    Take your meds and go back to bed, gramps.

  • Yup, you can do and say whatever you want, sin and repent and re-sin and repent, and Jesus will always forgive you.

    we have your word for it,

  • Yes, that’s basically why the RCC is so against birth control, because it may “frustrate’ a plan of God to bring life into the world. For the same reason they are against sterilization. So where does it end? At what point do we have ANY say over what we can do with our bodies, or control when and if we have children? Not that even most RCC women listen to that teaching, I know my Mom who was a devote Catholic used BC for many years (5 kids was MORE than enough!)
    There was a time when doctors first started doing open heart surgeries that people felt THAT was against God’s plan as well. Today we see the same thing with stem cell research that could lead to cures for many diseases, spinal injuries, etc. This is why the whole idea that life begins at conception is so problematic, or trying to define WHEN life begins, because it is a constant continuum. The sperm and eggs themselves come from OTHER living cells, there’s no real “beginning” to it, life can only come from life. The exact mechanism for reproduction is the only thing that varies. In many organisms, the “child” is genetically the same as the “parent”. It’s the very thing that many religious zealots refuse to accept….evolution… that is the main driving force for needing genders and methods of reproduction that result in high amounts of genetic diversity.

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    And Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will forgive you too. Remember that.

    Christ is coming.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    No. Sorry. He will not. There must be sincere contrition and a firm purpose on the sinner’s part to amend his life.

    And you do not have my word for it.

    “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.” Isaiah 1:18

    He will forgive your support for racist mass murder too.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Not sure what you mean about scientists trying to “create life from non-life” because of course life can only come from other life and I’m not aware of anyone trying to “create” life. They certainly though have recreated the building blocks of life (micro-evolution) in terms of learning more about how it evolved, but I was referring to medical science preserving life, in ways that have at many times in the past been a cause of great consternation to religious people….yet today very few people would object to. Early open heart surgeries, organ transplants, often were considered “play God” in ways that were not part of the natural order.

  • Mr Karl:

    Thank you for your reply.

    As posted above (see citations by leading Hitler historians) Hitler and his Nazis were motivated by paganism and socialism.

    And I have never heard of: ” Christ return to rule over the Earth with a rod of iron? ”

    That sounds quite silly to me.

    Are you rally a PhD Candidate? That might explain things.

    Time to convert to Christ.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. An excellent tank commander BTW. He holds that the Nazi War Criminal George Sorros is an enemy of Israel.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • I’m not keen on capital punishment. Although scripture authorizes it for murder, I would not want to be the one to forever cut off another person’s opportunity for salvation.

  • The harm definitely would be serious, in fact the text goes on to say that if there is “ason,” the penalty is life for life.
    I didn’t mean only physical injury, I mean legal injury, what we would call a tort, what the Mishnah is referring to when it counts shame and missed work.
    When the root word “shakhol” is used to refer to a miscarriage, as opposed to some other type of “bereavement” or “loss,” it refers to a natural miscarriage. Here we’re talking about a miscarriage caused by assault. It’s a different word for a different situation.
    I don’t believe ancient Hebrew had a specific word for “fetus.” At the very least, using the word “yeled” (which is also used in roots concerning conception and giving birth) is similar to modern use of the word “child” to refer to the fetus. It does not imply “personhood.”

  • The harm definitely would be serious, in fact the text goes on to say that if there is “ason,” the penalty is life for life.
    I didn’t mean only physical injury, I mean legal injury, what we would call a tort, what the Mishnah is referring to when it counts shame and missed work.
    When the root word “shakhol” is used to refer to a miscarriage, as opposed to some other type of “bereavement” or “loss,” it refers to a natural miscarriage. Here we’re talking about a miscarriage caused by assault. It’s a different word for a different situation.
    I don’t believe ancient Hebrew had a specific word for “fetus.” At the very least, using the word “yeled” (which is also used in roots concerning conception and giving birth) is similar to modern use of the word “child” to refer to the fetus. It does not imply “personhood.”

  • The harm definitely would be serious, in fact the text goes on to say that if there is “ason,” the penalty is life for life.
    I didn’t mean only physical injury, I mean legal injury, what we would call a tort, what the Mishnah is referring to when it counts shame and missed work.
    When the root word “shakhol” is used to refer to a miscarriage, as opposed to some other type of “bereavement” or “loss,” it refers to a natural miscarriage. Here we’re talking about a miscarriage caused by assault. It’s a different word for a different situation.
    I don’t believe ancient Hebrew had a specific word for “fetus.” At the very least, using the word “yeled” (which is also used in roots concerning conception and giving birth) is similar to modern use of the word “child” to refer to the fetus. It does not imply “personhood.”

  • The harm definitely would be serious, in fact the text goes on to say that if there is “ason,” the penalty is life for life.
    I didn’t mean only physical injury, I mean legal injury, what we would call a tort, what the Mishnah is referring to when it counts shame and missed work.
    When the root word “shakhol” is used to refer to a miscarriage, as opposed to some other type of “bereavement” or “loss,” it refers to a natural miscarriage. Here we’re talking about a miscarriage caused by assault. It’s a different word for a different situation.
    I don’t believe ancient Hebrew had a specific word for “fetus.” At the very least, using the word “yeled” (which is also used in roots concerning conception and giving birth) is similar to modern use of the word “child” to refer to the fetus. It does not imply “personhood.”

  • Oh please enlighten me, how exactly are Dems the “party of slavery”? Interesting how 95% of black women voted in this election for the “party of slavery”. That’s how absurd your comment is…. and how little you think of African Americans to be able to intelligently see who are the ones working harder in their best interest. As for calling something “baby murder” which involves neither a baby or murder, I’ve shared my opinion on that enough on this page. I have spent a lifetime fighting for poor people, disabled people, LGBT people, etc. so I don’t care about your judgement, I’ll leave it up to God to judge my heart on trying to help women instead of vilifying and attacking them for difficult choices they make…. vs. those of you that will give all manner of evil people a pass solely for their position on this issue.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. An excellent tank commander BTW. He holds that the Nazi War Criminal George Sorros is an enemy of Israel.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr Karl:

    Thank you for your reply.

    As posted above (see citations by leading Hitler historians) Hitler and his Nazis were motivated by paganism and socialism.

    And I have never heard of: ” Christ return to rule over the Earth with a rod of iron? ”

    That sounds quite silly to me.

    Are you rally a PhD Candidate? That might explain things.

    Time to convert to Christ.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    No. Sorry. He will not. There must be sincere contrition and a firm purpose on the sinner’s part to amend his life.

    And you do not have my word for it.

    “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.” Isaiah 1:18

    He will forgive your support for racist mass murder too.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Ms. Mary Jo:

    Democrats pushed the formal legalization of slavery (See Dred Scot Decision)

    Democrats also pushed the formal legalization of racist abortion (See Roe V Wade)

    You enable rich powerful men to use abortion to control minority populations while also allowing said men to fornicate to their hearts content and avoid the natural consequences.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Which means we’re not supposed to mistreat it, but that doesn’t mean we don’t have ANY say over what choices we make. Otherwise, you are saying I could not have my uterus and ovaries removed due to cancer? Even if I hadn’t dealt with that, I have severe disabilities that would make carrying a child an incredibly painful experience. So by your rules, I’d either have to be celibate my entire life, or suffer through excruciating pain for months. I prefered to just have a sterilization surgery done and be done with it. Luckily I make enough money to support having that done, not everyone has such a choice. I do not have even the remotest worry that God would judge me as unfaithful given the options I had for doing that. And that’s a big reason why I think all women should be allowed such choices between themselves and whatever God they have and not have your personal interpretation of what God wants imposed on them, without any idea of what challenges or reasons they may have for their choices.

  • Wow, anyone that thinks the Democratic party of today is the SAME in any way to the one in the 1850’s is not working from a full deck. Or just purposely being obtuse. The rest of this post just goes even further off the deep end. Nothing more to say to you, I only debate with people that have at least one foot in reality.

  • “I don’t believe ancient Hebrew had a specific word for “fetus.” No doubt there was a reason for that.

    “Here we’re talking about a miscarriage caused by assault. It’s a different word for a different situation.” There is no “miscarriage” mentioned at all. A child coming forth is not a miscarriage. A miscarriage (nephel) is a miscarriage.

  • He believes in making sure babies (and others, especially their moms) have housing, health care and food.

  • Ms. Mary Jo:
    Re: A foot in reality

    You murder 800 – 1,00 black babies a day. Every day. Seven days a week.

    You do so to keep the black population down.

    You also murder to enable rich powerful men to escape teh consequences of their fornication.

    There is no difference between the Democrat party which legalized the slavery of blacks and the Democrat party which legalized the mass murder of black babies. Genocide pure and simple.

    God will avenge His innocents.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    President Trump is opposed to the racist, genocidal murder of black babies.

    Unlike the ENTIRE cabal of bosses of the Democrat Party.

    Do not be a racist baby killer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Karl:

    Thank you for your reply.

    You must be a PhD candidate somewhere.

    Nazi racial theory was and is based on paganism and Darwinism as expressed by Harvard University Professor Charles C. Davenport, who among others things edited two Nazi journals in racial theory and was literally a card carrying member of the NAZI Party.

    IN a sense Nazi racial theory sprang from Yankee New England.

    Some non-Harvard, British professors on Hitler, Paganism and Christianity.

    Alan Bullock ” Hitler: a Study in Tyranny; Harper Perennial Edition 1991; p. 219: “Hitler had been brought up a Catholic and was impressed by the organisation and power of the Church… [but] to its teachings he showed only the sharpest hostility… he detested [Christianity]’s ethics in particular”.

    Ian Kershaw? ; Hitler: a Biography; Norton; 2008 ed; pp. 295–297: “In early 1937 [Hitler] was declaring that ‘Christianity was ripe for destruction’, and that the Churches must yield to the ‘primacy of the state’, railing against any compromise with ‘the most horrible institution imaginable'”

    Richard J. Evans The Third Reich at War; Penguin Press; New York 2009, p. 547: Evans wrote that Hitler believed Germany could not tolerate the intervention of foreign influences such as the Pope and “Priests, he said, were ‘black bugs’, ‘abortions in black cassocks'”. Evans noted that Hitler saw Christianity as “indelibly Jewish in origin and character” and a “prototype of Bolshevism”, which “violated the law of natural selection”.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • They exploited the beliefs of those who they ruled.

    I’m sorry if I accused you of being that nutty. Why would I convert to a belief that I used to have? I was raised Anglican. Confirmed and everything. The religious word that describes me is Apostate.

    What drove me to this thread was the hypocrisy displayed by the Christians who supported Roy Moore.

    No, no. I’m not going to convert back to believing in nonsense that leads people to support a pedophile over a man who fought hate, and sought justice in his career.

  • Mr Karl:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Hitler and the Nazi presented to the German people a Christianity without Christ, without the Cross.

    Mr. Jones and the Democrat Party does much the same (as does the Republican Party to a lesser extent).

    Mr. Jones has built his career on the racist genocidal murder of black babies.

    Throughout his career Judge Moore has opposed the the racist genocidal murder of black babies.

    In a fallen world we have two imperfect men for candidates. A Christian must pick the candidate who does NOT advocate racist genocidal murder.

    And Christ loves you. You are the apple of His eye. He died a most terrible death for your salvation.

    He is always waiting for you to return to Him.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Buddy, that’s the loopiest post of nonsense and rubbish that I’ve read in a while.

    Your only concern is to force people to bear children for you? I say you’re nuts, and your theology is utterly borked.

  • So, what about the milliins and millions of people who do not worship your Christ? Are they who believe in God, Allah, Buddah, not important to you? Abortion is a very private decision belonging to the woman who finds herself in such a position to need one. Not judging you sandinwindsor, just wondering why you believe you have the right to judge anyone other than yourself.

  • Mr Karl:

    Thank you for your reply.

    It is not my only concern. There are 60-million of them. All precious. All deserving of life.

    Your argument in support of he racist genocide that these babies are somehow not worthy of life is exactly the one used by Hitler who legalized abortion in Germany.

    A Christian cannot support mass murder under any condition. Indeed a Christian cannot support even the murder of a single innocent human being.

    Do not be a baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Karl:
    Re: All done in the name of a Christian god

    Most main line historians count 6.5 million Jews, then another 6.5 million unworthy lives and the Soviet POW count is difficult because Stalin murdered more returning POW’s than Hitler did. But 13 to 16 million is I think a safe guesss.

    And your fellow traveler also murdered about 6-million more in the womb.

    However no Historian, main line that is, can find any evidence that this slaughter was “All done in the name of a Christian god”. Actually quite teh opposite.

    Now it is clear that you are an anti-Christian bigot and baby murderer but even you must have some source, even a wacky one, for such a claim.

    What is it?

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • But you aren’t. You’re just screaming baby murder. Voting for a pedophile won’t stop abortion no matter how hard you pray. In fact that pedophile will probably force his victims to get one.
    Voting for a conservative com artist won’t stop abortion. They don’t care about that. They use it as a tool to get tools to vote for them.
    The best way to prevent abortion is proper sex education and access to birth control. But since you don’t actually care about the fetus that doesn’t matter. You care about how people have sex. You care about women being forced to be mothers.

  • But the penalty called for in LEVITICUS is for property damage, not murder. Therefore, according to LEVITICUS, it is not murder. The fetus had worth as property, it was not considered a human being. The sages of the Talmud said that a fetus is not a human being until it is born.

  • Oh, you mean the Prime Minister of the Jewish State occupying stolen Palestinian lands. Anyone with an ounce of common sense and human decency would be an enemy of Israel in its current form, but that’s a whole separate debate that you clearly don’t have the mental capacity in which to engage.

    God Less, ol’ grampy-butt.

  • No. Rhetorically. That means you don’t respond. It’s meant for introspection. Especially in light of the preceding paragraph, it was quite obvious. You’re just not intelligent enough to comprehend that.

    All that I say is, examine, inquire. Look into the nature of things. Search out the grounds of your opinions, the for and the against. Know why you believe, understand what you believe, and possess a reason for the faith you have.

    Next time, I repeat, work on your reading comprehension.

  • The penalty is not for murder, the penalty was for destruction of property. Are you unable to read with comprehension?

  • Oh please. I probably didn’t take my reply in the direction you wanted and so you foot-stamp and insult. Funny how fast that “rational” mask falls off when you’re crossed. You guys give yourselves away so easily.

    You fit right in with the rest of the atheists here and elsewhere who spend hours out of every day of their lives arguing about religion to prove how much they don’t care about religion, and arguing with Christians in order to demonstrate how much they don’t care about what we think. And we laugh.

    Next time, I repeat (rhetorically, if you will 😀 )– if you don’t care, then don’t ask.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    I find that, starting with Hitler, antisemites are also baby murderers. And of course during WW II the Muslims were allied with Hitler. Not to mention that the Nazi War Criminal George Sorros in addition to being a baby murderer also is an enemy of Israel.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Godwin’s Law! Congrats, Rocko, you’ve just officially lost the argument.

    BTW, being an enemy of Israel’s political policies and practices is not the same thing as being antisemitic. Words mean things, you should learn them. I guess they didn’t teach that at Manhattan College.

    God Less

  • But you were just saying, over and over and over again, that you are a New Testament christian, not an Old Testament christian. But your quotes are all Old Testament.

    So maybe, what you need is a better moniker. I would go with Convenience and Control Christian.

    CCC.

  • Germany was Christian before Hitler, yet they voted him in.

    Germany was Christian during Hitler, yet they fought in his armies and operated his death camps.

    Germany is Christian after Hitler, and has done all it could to erase that stain from their history, but not denying it.

  • Yes there might have been a reason, but it isn’t necessarily that they thought they were of equal value. In any event, the mishnah that discusses a late-term abortion due to maternal health, Oholot 7:8, uses a word for the fetus that appears to be the same root as yeled: “A woman who was having trouble giving birth, they cut up the ‘vaulad’ inside her and take it out limb by limb, because her life comes before its life. If most of it had come out already they do not touch it because we do not push off one life for another (‘nefesh mipnei nafesh,’ cf. the lex talionis of Ex. 21:23, if there is ‘ason,’ you shall give ‘nefesh tachat nafesh’ [life for life]).”

  • That isn’t really the rationale for opposing capital punishment. The personal mandate to turn the other cheek in response to insult does not abolish the role and the obligation of government to protect its people from crime and violence.

    Even Jesus did not negate Pilate’s authority to execute: “You would have no authority over Me, unless it had been given you from above” John 19:11.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Antisemitism is serious business. As is baby murder. Every public opponent of Israel appears also to be an antisemite. Every public proponent of antisemitism further appears to be a baby murderer.

    It is a Hitler thing. He won WW II. His ideological descendants rule the West.

    Do not be a Nazi on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    The Anti-Christian, Anti-Semite, baby murderers keep trotting out OT Citations in an very clumsy attempt to justify their racist, genocide against minorities via abortion.

    It takes a few minutes to find a few citations to put all things in context.

    Do not be an Anti-Christian, Anti-Semite, baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Will you convert to Christ?

    Do not be an Anti-Christian, Anti-Semite, baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Please.

    And Russia was Christian before, during and After Lenin and Stalin.

    The anti-Christian socialists, both the German National Socialist Worker’s Party (Nazi) and the German Communist party; and their off shoots dominated the political scene.

    He is always waiting for you to return to Him.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Too many right wing talking points, like that the Nazi’s were really socialists. I guess that makes the People’s Democratic Republic of North Korea a democracy, right? Chosen by the people?

    It’s very difficult to win an argument with a an intelligent person, but almost impossible to win one with a stupid person.

  • Mr. Ben in Oakland

    Thank you for your reply.

    Again. Please.

    I thought you were a big time academic? Hitler called himself a socialist. As did Mussolini. Hitler’s allies and enemies called him a socialist. As they did Mussolini.

    And like all good socialists Hitler was an Anti-Christian, Anti-Semite bigot and a baby murderer.

    And the key word in People’s Democratic Republic is the word “People’s” which mean that the Republic is only for certain groups, which are not allowed democracy and are lead by a Dictatorship of the Proletariat.

    You must hold a PhD.

    Do not be an Anti-Christian, Anti-Semite baby murderer on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • And Shawnie, your excessively vengeant sky a-hole, your “god”, according to your own bible, is an expert killer and brute, having taken away millions of lives – and he repeatedly threatens people with torture in your sicko myths.

    No thanks. Keep your idiotic, brutal Christian fairy tales to yourself.

  • According to your stories, your three-headed god monster of your book of horrors AKA the bible was quite the executioner.

  • Actually, if you are a “born again” Christian, the Word you should be worshipping is revealed in John 1: 1 to 14. He, and He alone is the “Word”.

  • it says that the woman is the husband’s property and any injury to HER will lead to a fine. The baby has no value.

  • you silly woman. It’s not abortion. It’s assault and harm to the mother resulting so she miscarries. The person who is harmed is the husband since he owns/controls/benefits from her carrying HIS child. (The child belongs to the father even today in most parts of the Middle East The wife is just carrying the baby. The father implanted the women with “his seed” and this tiny fully formed human was growing in her uterus.
    Early peoples didn’t know about egg and sperm. The woman was just the sacred vessel. She exists to carry the man’s seed. She creates nothing and contributes nothing to the fetus. So you cannot read this with modern eyes. Yet another example of how foolish it is to read with 21st Century eyes, what was written about primitive people with primitive beliefs.

    Modern medical ethics is based NOT JUST ON CHRISTIAN dogma and doctrines and scriptures. If you are religious, don’t have an abortion. Don’t expect modern people to abide by your Bronze age ideas of right and wrong. We’re not all Christian…. and this is NOT a Christian nation.

  • actually, some times in surgery to remove a teratoma, the tumor is found to have all sorts of tissue in it, kidney, heart, hair, etc. So your ignorance is complete.
    a woman’s egg is not ‘alive’. And 50 percent of fertilized eggs pass out of the woman’s uterus with her next period. Which makes god, the world’s biggest abortionist.
    In truth, these eggs that don’t implant in the uterus are malformed or wouldn’t survive for 9 months. The woman’s body rejects it as abnormal during the early stage of development. .

  • you have NO understanding of early pregnancy, anatomy, how sex works, how fertilization works, how a fertilized egg develops or doesn’t develop.

  • if the Roman Catholic Church cared about life, it would end the practice of priest sexually assaulting innocent children. It would turn the priests and the bishops who move them from church to church over to the police.
    Raping a child is Soul Murder. That’s worse than an abortion. The child’s whole life is aborted.

  • the RCC is hopelessly pro-natalist. Places like the Philippines are the result babies and children everywhere that will never get an education or find work…too many people.

  • the status of the early development is that it can’t survive on it’s own outside the uterus. It is not a human being.

  • I wasn’t made in the image of god. I’m a Buddhist. Don’t apply your Christian nonsense/rules to me. They are made up by man.

  • 96% of Catholics use birth control
    They agree that abortion should be legal in high numbers, and certainly would NOT take away the right to have an abortion from others. It’s just you rabid, obsessed, anti-abortionists who keep lying and shilling for your Monster God.

  • that point needs to be said more often…and the fact that White racists don’t care what happens to black babies.

  • I call them ‘forced birthers’ once the pregnancy is over and there’s a living breathing baby, they could care less what happens to it. Even less if it’s a Black baby.

  • prayer does nothing….you can pray from here to eternity and it will not cause any physical response.

  • OK. What is the Buddhist way of dealing with difficult people? I am just asking because I do not know, and if Buddhists have a better way of interacting with such people I want to know so I can become a Buddhist.

  • Show us, with evidence from the Bible, or from science, why you believe a human foetus is the same as a living human being. They are a POTENTIAL human being.

  • Difficult people are your teachers. You meditate and have mindfulness and along come difficult people (or difficult times) and you lose your cool or your equanimity and in order to find some inner peace and not let these people spoil your life, you learn how to manage. (I still haven’t learned how to use this for our maddening president).

    The following is not Buddhist, but there’s a book called “Thank You For Being Such a Pain.” We learn some of our best lessons from those who frustrate/ irritate/annoy us the most.

  • Thanks for the book recommendation. I just looked at some of the reviews and it looks well worth learning from.
    I think that thee as a Buddhist, and I, as a Christian, have more in common than we do with those who pretend to be Buddhist or Christian, but use their false claims to hurt others.

  • Abortion is murder. Rape is a type of murder on it’s own – some people cope afterward, some not.

  • Many Christians study, meditate, practice silence within Buddhist practice and see no problem with studying what is a philosophy or form of psychology that has no deity to it. There is no contradiction, at least in my mind.
    Then there are the books with the parallels sayings of Buddha and Jesus (Buddha lived 500 years before Jesus). They both spoke words of wisdom which are party of a human understanding that is universal, IMHO.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ was and is a Jew. After the Resurrection He reigns gloriously as a Jew for all eternity. Same – same for His Immaculate Mother, St. Joseph, the Apostles and the first Christians.

    The murder of innocents is one of the four sins that cry to Heaven for vengeance. Christ listens to the cries of His slaughtered innocents. He will avenge them.

    Do not be a Nazi on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Almighty God is the Author of human life. He decides when you and I will die. When you and I will be judged. And then where you and I will spend our eternity.

    Mocking Almighty God is not a good idea.

    Do not be a Nazi on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    REally? You think you are going to live forever? Who is delusional?

    Mocking Almighty God is not a good idea.

    Do not be a Nazi on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Then prepare for your eternity. Which is forever.

    Mocking Almighty God is not a good idea.

    Do not be a Nazi on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Thank you for your reply.

    And if you have prepared wrongly?

    Do not be a Nazi on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Prepared wrongly? Oh, you mean that silly old Pascal’s Wager…

    Well, that’s easily turned around on you… what if you have prepared wrongly? What if you’re worshiping the wrong god, and your continued worship of the baby-killing Nazi Christ is just angering the real god even more?

    If I’m wrong, and there is some kind of god-being, I’m willing to take the bet that it would appreciate honest skepticism over blind faith. Do you really think a being that is intelligent enough to create the entire universe would be so arrogant and petty that it would have people suffer for eternity if they won’t be its cheerleader?

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Yes.

    But Almighty God does not send us to Hell for all eternity. We send ourselves. Our lost souls simply cannot tolerate being in the presence of God.

    And as for skepticism:

    “If you love me, keep my commandments.” John 14:21-24

    Christians are being slaughtered all over the world for the crime of being Christian; or for the unfortunate situation of living in the womb of a Christian woman of color.

    Love means sacrifice. If you refuse to keep the Great Commandment (Love God, Love neighbor) then when you die, and you and I must die, how do expect to embrace the God of perfect love.

    Again, we send ourselves to Hell.

    Do not be a soul without love on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • And as for skepticism: “If you love me, keep my commandments.”

    That has nothing to do with skepticism. And the rest of your diatribe is just false and pure distraction/deflection.

    As such, you didn’t answer the question. What if you’re wrong? Or, to use your own clumsy wording, “And if you have prepared wrongly?”

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    It is not a matter of I being wrong. It is a matter of God being wrong. And God can neither deceive or be deceived.

    And if you say that God simply does not exist then we must be honest and admit that every man in his heart of hearts has felt and heard teh whisper that God exists.

    Do not be a skeptic on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • It is a matter of you being wrong. Whether your god is wrong, or can deceive or be deceived, is all predicated on whether or not it even exists. If you’re going to convince anyone of anything regarding your god, first you need to prove it’s even real. So, prove it.

    I have been and always will be a skeptic, from my first day until my last day — as faith is not a virtue, it’s the glorification of voluntary ignorance.

  • Mr. NoMoreBadTown:

    Thank you for your reply.

    Skepticism is just a fancy name for cowardice.

    Do not be a skeptic on Judgement Day.

    God bless

    Richard W Comerford

  • Cowardice? In what way? All I’m doing is asking for evidence of your claim.

    As a set of cognitive beliefs, your religious doctrine constitutes a speculative hypothesis of an extremely low order of probability.

    To believe it blindly, without questioning, without asking for proof… that is the ultimate act of cowardice.

    Be Good. Be God Less.

  • Doug Jones seems to be more,much more sensible than bigots, molesters and racists like Roy Moore who is backed by an equally racist and idiotic President like Trump. If such trends continue, then Heaven help America. We need to .sing our National Anthem God Save America with more sincerity.

  • No, he approves of ensuring healthy and well cared for babies. Why don’t you visit India, Bangladesh,Indonesia, Africa and see the condition of starving,sick, I’ll-fed babies that are literally thrown in the dust-bin because the family has more children than they can feed and look after. You’re living in a rosy castle and talk like this. Its poverty and not your kind of evangelical and Catholic religion s that are going to save this planet.Today there is no place for religious bigotry in this world with a population of more than 7.5 billions people and growing. I bet Trump does not know this fact.

  • Don’t quote something said 4,000 years ago by ignorant, uneducated and bigoted old men from the deserts of Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

  • God commanded our first parents to “Be fruitful, and multiply,” (Genesis 1:28). When the first mother brought forth the first child, she exclaimed, “I have gotten a man from the Lord” (Genesis 4:1). The help of the Lord is essential, for He has dominion over human life and is its origin. Parents cooperate with God in bringing forth life. Because this whole process is under God’s dominion, it is sinful to interrupt it. The prophet Amos condemns the Ammonites “Because he ripped open the pregnant women of Gilead” (Amos 1:13). “Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.” (Psalm 127:3).

    The phrase “conceived and bore” is used repeatedly (see Gen. 4:1, Gen. 4:17) and the individual has the same identity before as after birth. “in sin did my mother conceive me” the repentant psalmist says in Psalm 51:5.

  • The same word “Brephos”, i.e. “infant” [Strong’s No.: G1025] is used for the child before and after birth e.g (“Brephos”, that is, “infant” is used in Luke 1:41, Luke 1:44, and Luke 18:15.)
    [Luke 1:41 Strong’s No.: G1025] http://www.kingjamesbibledictionary.com/BibleVerse/Luke/1/41/babe
    [Luke 18:15 Strong’s No.: G1025] http://www.kingjamesbibledictionary.com/BibleVerse/Luke/18/15

    God knows the pre-born child. “For You formed my inward parts; You covered me in my mother’s womb. 14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made; Marvelous are Your works, And that my soul knows very well. 15 My frame was not hidden from You, When I was made in secret, And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.” (Psalm 139: 13-15). God also helps and calls the pre-born child. “I was cast upon You from birth. From My mother’s womb You have been My God.” (Psalm 22:10). “But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,” (Apostle Paul to the Galatians 1:15).

  • “I was cast upon You from birth. From My mother’s womb You have been My God.” (Psalm 22:10). “But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,” (Apostle Paul to the Galatians 1:15).

  • Psalm 22:10 and Galatians 1:15 demonstrate the value that the Lord God places in the unborn child. Those selfish cretins who terminate [abort] an unborn child will someday stand before the judgement seat of the Lord Jesus Christ and have to explain why they thought they had the right to terminate an unborn child, which is a being created by and dedicated to God. The same applies to those who support legislation that makes it legal to have an abortion.

    Psalm 22:10 From My mother’s womb You have been My God.

    Galatians 1:15 “But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb and called me through His grace,”

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