News Top Stories

Faith-based protesters flock to Washington to counter white supremacists

A demonstrator holds a religious sign at a massive counter-protest meant to oppose the "Unite the Right 2" rally convened in Washington, D.C., on August 12, 2018. RNS photo by Jack Jenkins

WASHINGTON (RNS) — When white supremacist groups announced plans to hold a demonstration in the nation’s capital to mark the one-year anniversary of the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville, Va., many were concerned the day would descend into violence as it did in 2017, when one woman was killed and many more injured after a man who had marched with racists allegedly plowed his car into a group of counter-protesters.

But by Sunday evening (Aug. 12), Washington had hosted far more anti-racist Methodists, Baptists and other religious demonstrators than white supremacists, and the thousands of other counter-protesters spread across the city suggested white nationalists had inadvertently done more to unite people across religious and racial differences than bolster the ranks of racists.

A protester holds a sign at the “United to Love” rally in Washington, D.C. to counter the white supremacist “Unite the Right 2” rally on August 12, 2018. RNS photo by Jack Jenkins.

Some religious groups have been actively fighting against racism throughout America’s history, and a band of faith leaders and theologians were among the few who stared down white supremacists in Charlottesville last year. But a broad swath of religious groups began organizing ahead of this year’s rally in Washington, hosting vigils, trainings and events. Auburn Seminary, the Council on American-Islamic Relations) and Bishop Michael Francis Burbidge of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Arlington, Va., also issued statements condemning racism, the planned white supremacist rally or both.

“Let us pray for those who shout ‘Jews will not replace us’ or ‘you will not replace us,’” the Rev. William Barber of the Poor People’s Campaign declared at a teach-in Friday at Washington Hebrew Congregation. He was referring to the haunting chant bellowed by white supremacists the year before as they marched with torches onto the University of Virginia campus — all while, as Barber noted, a group of religious activists met to condemn racism in a church across the street.

“(We know) those who have been overcome by the insanity of hate and the insanity of racism. For we know it is a disease, a terrible disease of the spirit that diminishes the humanity of anyone it infects.”

On Sunday, this blitz of faith-based activism was evident across the city, beginning with a “United to Love” rally on the National Mall organized by the Baltimore-Washington Conference of the United Methodist Church. Dozens of attendees swayed and sang as a choir led the group in singing hymns, and some waved signs emblazoned with slogans such as “Jesus was black” and quotes from the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., such as, “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.”

The event also included a sermon from the conference’s Bishop LaTrelle Easterling, who stood silhouetted against the U.S. Capitol as she spoke. She repeatedly condemned racism and white supremacy, arguing that those who champion racism “betray God.”

“Hate kills,” she declared. “Hate destroys. Hate controls. Hate dominates. Hate imprisons. Hate legislates inequality. Hate hides behind religion and politics to promote oppression and inequality. Hate is not of God.”

United Methodist Bishop LaTrelle Easterling preaches during the “United to Love” rally in Washington, D.C., in opposition to the “Unite the Right 2” white supremacist demonstration on August 12, 2018. RNS photo by Jack Jenkins

As she spoke, a lone white man walked up to demonstrators and began shouting racial slurs, insisting white supremacists will “rule the night.” When security officials turned to face him, he quickly fled.

Cassandra Lawrence, a student at Wesley Theological Seminary in Washington and member of Foundry United Methodist Church who attended the Methodist rally, explained that while the heightened profile of such vitriol has galvanized racists, it also has united others to counter it.

“I think that they rise together,” Lawrence said, noting that more than 40 people were attending the event from Foundry alone, with others planning to stop by after their worship service.

“In our darkest moments, our brightest moments also rise. You’re seeing more and more people getting involved — there are churches all over the region today who maybe aren’t here, but they’re having vigils, they’re preaching sermons. … Everybody is coming alive.”

The broad mobilizing power of combating white supremacy was on full display a few blocks away in Freedom Plaza, where hundreds gathered for another rally against racism, this one primarily organized by secular organizations. The crowd showcased a wide diversity of causes: Black-clad anti-facist groups stood alongside LGBTQ advocates as different speakers took the stage, each condemning the wrongs of racism.

A demonstrator holds a sign at the “Still Here, Still Strong Rally” in Washington, D.C., on August 12, 2018. RNS photo by Jack Jenkins

But here, too, faith groups had a substantial presence. Jewish protesters painted their faces with Stars of David and waved signs reading “Jews are welcome here,” Unitarian Universalists stood around a banner reading “Standing on the side of love,” and Quakers gathered around a sign reading “Love thy neighbor, no exceptions” — a reference to Mark 12:31.

“I am a black, queer, Jewish, Hebrew priestess,” said Harriette Wimms, a Baltimore psychologist and one of the speakers at the rally. “Basically, I’m the alt-right’s worst nightmare.”

Dotting the crowd were several faith leaders from various traditions, many clad in religious clothing or vestments.

“We need to stand up against anything that negatively affects God’s people,” said the Rev. Gayle Fisher-Stewart, an attendee of the event and an Episcopal priest at Calvary Episcopal Church in Washington. “We need to be here, to show up and to let people know that no one is better than anybody else, that we are all created in the image of God.”

Forging unity across difference was also a key theme at a Baptist gathering convened around the same time at the Martin Luther King Jr. Memorial, although the tone was less overtly adversarial. There, two Washington congregations — First Baptist Church, which is predominantly white, and Nineteenth Street Baptist Church, which is historically black — convened for a joint Communion service organized by the New Baptist Covenant, an organization founded by former President Carter.

The Rev. Julie Pennington-Russell of First Baptist told the small, interracial crowd that white Christians should do more to acknowledge how faith has been used to justify racism and how “the sin of white supremacy was embedded in the founding documents of this nation … (and) has done irreparable harm to generations of African-Americans and Native Americans.”

Baptist worshippers join hands at a prayer and Communion service at the Martin Luther King, Jr. Memorial on August 12, 2018. The interracial service was one of many demonstrations meant to counter the white supremacist “Unite the Right 2” rally convened the same day. RNS photo by Jack Jenkins

The Rev. Darryl Roberts, pastor of Nineteenth Street Baptist, explained that the churches had once been a single congregation, but split across racial lines in the mid-1800s. Sunday’s service was the first public expression of their attempts at sustained relationship building and dialogue.

“You have a predominantly white congregation and a black congregation coming together at a historic moment to send a message of unity in a time of hatred,” he said.

Quakers hold a silent vigil during the counter-protest to the white supremacist “Unite the Right 2” rally in Washington, D.C., on August 12, 2018. RNS photo by Jack Jenkins.

Back near the White House, an unexpectedly small band of white supremacists finally arrived at the site of their demonstration. The tiny gathering — fewer than 30 people, surrounded by walls of police — was dwarfed by thousands of counter-protesters whose numbers extended beyond Lafayette Park and spilled into the streets for nearly a block.

Huddled near the back of the park was a group of Quakers sitting in quiet protest just a few feet away from a cluster of roughly 15 interfaith clergy that included priests, pastors and Muslim leaders. Both groups had originally intended to stage direct action protests against the white supremacists, but they abandoned their plans after observing the one-sided nature of the event.

“We can’t even get through there right now,” said Sandy Sorensen, smiling as she pointed to the sprawling crowd. An organizer with a local United Church of Christ congregation, Sorensen explained the group of clergy now planned to offer as-needed pastoral support for the Black Lives Matter group.

When the same group was shown an image of the small white supremacist gathering across the way, the Rev. Susan Hayward, a UCC pastor who was among those who counter-protested in Charlottesville last year, shook her head in disbelief.

“Wow,” Hayward said before looking over her shoulder at the mass of rowdy counter-protesters behind her. Shortly thereafter, she and her fellow faith leaders turned back toward the crowd, looking for ways to help their several thousand new allies in the fight against white supremacy.

About the author

Jack Jenkins

Jack Jenkins is a national reporter for RNS based in Washington, covering U.S. Catholics and the intersection of religion and politics.

Add Comment

Click here to post a comment

  • “(We know) those who have been overcome by the insanity of hate and the insanity of racism. For we know it is a disease, a terrible disease of
    the spirit that diminishes the humanity of anyone it infects.”

    “Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.”

    “Hate kills. Hate destroys. Hate controls. Hate dominates. Hate imprisons. Hate legislates inequality. Hate hides behind religion and politics to promote oppression and inequality. Hate is not of God.”

    All good quotes, and it’s good to see so many come together against the hate-filled bigots of the White Supremacy movement. It’s unfortunate that in the process of doing so they sided with the hate-filled bigots of AntiFA.

  • Such a diverse crowd of protesters! Such a diverse crowd of denominational mix. Such a diverse crowd of theological differences. All uniting for the purpose of opposing racial hatred. The historical Rabbi Jesus of Nazareth broke the racial barrier in a shocking way when he reached out to the Samaritan woman at the well. Jesus’ Messianic purpose is to call individuals to repentance of their sins and receiving Jesus as Savior from your sins. All races and ethnic individuals are welcome! With such a large crowd gathered together in Washington, D.C., I wish I would have been there with my open Bible quoting Luke 24:44-48 to that massive crowd. How awesome would that have been!

  • And yet, the white supremacists uniformly declare themselves to be sincere, devout Christians (almost all evangelicals). Huh–it’s almost like faith-based activism can be found on both sides of this issue, as has happened so often in American history.

  • “It’s unfortunate that in the process of doing so they sided with the hate-filled bigots of AntiFA.”

    Everything was going right until you concluded it with that white supremacy-inspired stinker. The only people playing up antifa as anything significant are neo nazis. They do it to demonize all their opposition and make false equivalence arguments.

    They are hardly the hate filled bigots of the white supremacist narrative. They are not the ones glorifying mass murder, discrimination or terrorism.

    # of people killed by Antifa since inception: zero

    # of people killed by white supremacists since 2001: over 70 and counting.

    For someone congratulating opposition to white supremacist hate, you followed along with their own propaganda.

  • “The only people playing up antifa as anything significant are neo nazis.”

    So the Washington Post and Associated Pres are neo nazis?

  • As you’d expect, some nonviolent people stood against the white supremacists.
    But as you’d also expect, ANTIFA showed up. Here’s what Americans are really up against:

    “Masked Antifa launched fireworks, water bottles, eggs at cops. Secret Service has backed off.
    Dodged an egg thrown at my head from inside the Antifa crowd.”
    — NPR reporter Tim Mak.

    “(Expletive) you, snitch-(expletive) news (expletive). (Expletive) you!!” — an Antifa protester yelling and swatting at NBC News’ Cal Perry’s camera, trying to stop him from filming Antifa violence.

    –Quoted and reported by Jennifer Williams, The Vox online, “Antifa clashes with police and journalists in Charlottesville and DC”, 8-12-2018.

  • It’s disappointing to see that the love expressed by Christian groups was overshadowed by the violent socialists of ANTIFA; because nothing says love your neighbor like attacking police officers and reporters.
    Nothing like exchanging white hoods for black masks.

  • Spuddie doesn’t care that ANTIFA are cowardly thugs that hide behind masks; he supports them.
    I guess attacking cops and reporters is ok in Spuddies open border, anything goes world.
    I guess violence against some groups is ok.
    White hoods = bad
    Black masks = good.

  • I find it funny you are following along the white supremacist narrative. But there was always a streak of Uncle Ruckus to your views.

    Townhall is a conservative mouthpiece with even less adherence to basic facts then Fox News. Of course they are following the official sanctioned party line of playing up antifa to deflect from white supremacist actions and policies.

    I guess you couldn’t find a credible news source there.

    Then again you shill your long debunked Project Veritas hit pieces. Fake videos seem to be a regular thing for right wingers.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/2018/07/27/government-prosecution-trump-inauguration-dc-police-j20-protesters-fake-news-1024282.html%3famp=1

  • “I guess attacking cops and reporters is ok in Spuddies open border, anything goes world.”

    Lying appears to be your default. There is no evidence any of it happened. Btw nobody is “open borders”. Bigoted nativist derps just call opposition that in order to strawman their way out of losing arguments.

    Neo nazis = bad

    People who make excuses for them = bad

    People who make deflecting arguments for them = bad.

    You already lied about antifa to cover for a riot neo nazis started in Portland. So I do not find it unusual you are covering for them now.

  • No evidence?? Put the XBOX down and read the news. Oh yeah, the news you read doesn’t cover this stuff. Just like there were no ANTIFA thugs messing up Portland a week or so ago.

  • No evidence. Certainly no link to an actual news story. You lied about Portland by omitting neo Nazis started the riot. I have no problem believing you are lying now.

    But I can see why you want to deflect from the pathetic showing of the neo nazis in DC and how it all went peaceably, depute overwhelming numbers of people you are trying to demonize.

  • Maybe Townhall felt that a brave policeman getting beaten up by no-good Antifa Worms, was at least news that the general public should be informed about.

    Obviously you don’t think readers should be given the truth.

  • Maybe more truthfully, the story is bogus and no reputable news source was reporting it.

    If you are talking about antifa, right now you are just deflecting on behalf of neo nazis.

    The counter protesters outnumbered the neo nazis by 100 to 1 and didn’t come within 150 yards of each other. The only ones who were looking for violence were the nazis.

  • OK. Antifa acted badly. But it’s telling that you bring them up to deflect from the pathetic showing in DC.

    Get back to me when they reach the level of murderous mayhem as the people you are running cover for. Then maybe I will care.

  • Nope.

    Because they still have a body count of zero. Bush league. Not a credible equivalent to the nazis they oppose.

    Unlike the white supremacists you are deflecting in service if. Over 70+ murdered in the last two decades and more to for.

  • That’s all I needed to hear…

    I don’t condone the violence or hate of anyone. I hope you do the same.

  • Your White Privilege slip is showing:

    “But there was always a streak of Uncle Ruckus to your views.”

    Oh, how it weighs you down to carry the White Man’s Burden.

  • Sorry but hit piece videos are a major part of right wing fake news. Parker already linked the story.

    So why are you deflecting from the story of the pathetic showing of neo nazis in DC?

  • So why are you deflecting on behalf of neo nazis?

    Especially to talk about an unrelated story if minor league nonsense?

    Because you see nothing wrong with neo nazis? Looks that way.

  • Bigotry is never faith-based. Not really. Those who practice it may claim some sort of religious pretense, but their main motivations come from somewhere else. Building one’s self up by tearing others down is not a Christian value.

  • I wonder if these same idiots go over to China and hold up the same signs!!!

    Asia for the Asians……………Africa for the Africans………………White Nations open to everyone and White people will even pay your bills.

    “We may well tremble and be afraid, if our religion is that of the multitude. If we can say no more than this, that “we go where others go, and worship where others worship, and hope we shall do as well as others at last,” we are literally pronouncing our own condemnation. What is this but being in the “broad way?” What is this but being in the road whose end is “destruction?” Our religion at present is not saving religion.” J.C. Ryle — The Broad Road
    Revelation 12:9

  • “These are paid actors. The gift that the left wants is white supremacists and to link it with conservatives because there are no conservative white supremacists. That’s all a fiction. If you really want to take down Donald Trump, to destroy what God’s doing in America, keep dividing people with hate, divide them with race, try to get Trump painted as a racist when he’s not.

    “This is what they do. They literally have guys from their own group that organize theoretically white, alt-right opposition Why? So that Antifa, which is a liberally-funded Brownshirt Nazi-type organization, can run around under the guise of anti-Nazism and beat up on people and create a national event.” – Pastor Lance Wallnau, on yesterday’s Nazi rally in Washington DC.

  • Fearful White man says what? It seems you are applauding the Chinese—who are far from ethnically monolithic— for not allowing free speech?

  • Republicans always need to have a villain on the left. Right now they’re targeting Nancy Pelosi for the midterms. Only in the right-wing brain could someone as competent, dedicated and experienced as Pelosi be demonized, but as she said, “they’re afraid of me,” so naturally they target her for relentless demonization. So it is with Antifa, so it was with Jeremiah Clarke in 2008, so it will ever be, because that’s just what Republicans do. It’s not in the nature of most Democrats to expend that much energy on demonization so we tend not to do it – and we lose, because in this brave new world of reality TV politics, the old ways of respectability no longer work with the lowered collective IQ at play in the electorate. I routinely ignore comments which spout Fox News talking points about Antifa or anything else. It’s not worth the trouble.

  • Fake News. Do you just decide to make this s**t up?

    All fake news aside, you do realize that in WW2, American forces violently attacked the Nazis? And won the respect of the civilized world for it?

  • “(Expletive) you, snitch-(expletive) news (expletive). (Expletive) you!!”
    _______________

    Are you sure that wasn’t Trump speaking at one of his “rallies”??

  • Ok – I will talk slow….

    1) I do not support white supremacy or any racism or violence associated with it,
    2) according to the first amendment anybody has the right to assemble,
    3) anybody who disagrees with those assembling needs to allow them to ability to assemble,
    4) counter-protests of any kind do not have the right to be violent; especially against law enforcement; public property or the media.

  • White genocide = incel racists are declaring their inability to mate.

    The only white nation out there is Russia. You should go there.

  • Worst of all… setting an occasional trash receptacle on fire !!

    Antifa gets away with it…while I got a week’s detention for it, back at my old high school…totally unfair !!

  • And believing in the Rule of Law and strong borders, and opposing racial quotas and affirmative action doesn’t mean you’re siding with the racists. But you wouldn’t know that from the diatribes from many on the Left. So if that’s the Left’s standard of judgment, I see no reason why it shouldn’t be applied to those that “side with” AntiFA.

  • “[I]t’s good to see so many come together against the hate-filled bigots of the White Supremacy movement.”– DougH.
    Does that mean we can put you down as pro-Antifa?

  • I don’t see belief in rule of law coming from the people bringing up antifa in situations like this. It is always done to deflect from the murderous terrorism of white supremacists.

    “strong borders, and opposing racial quotas and affirmative action doesn’t mean you’re siding with the racists.”

    Actually, it does.

    Expecially since “strong borders” is a euphemism for any kind of attack on immigrants both legal and otherwise. Expecially when “opposing racial quotas and affirmative action” is also a euphemism for attacking any kind of activity pertaining to civil liberties.

    The fact that you brought up antifa in the first place here was a deflection done in favor of the racists. They were not part of the story. But they are part of the narrative in attacking those who oppose white supremacists.

  • 1) You clearly do by bringing up antifa here and in any story involving white supremacists. Your deflection serves such interests.

    2) Except Antifa and BLM according to you. Nobody has a right to come to a protest armed. Like the neo-nazis were doing a year ago in Charlottesville.

    3) Except last year the mantra was “they didn’t have permits”.

    4) Bringing up violent actions unrelated to the story is an effort at deflection. Trump frequently incited violence against protesters and journalists.

  • Nobody has the right to protest anything armed. That’s what is supposed to separate us from lawless societies.
    Anyone that comes armed; be they white suprematists or ANTIFA should be arrested for inciting a riot – that is called a mob.
    The fact that you cannot say anything negative about the actions of black masked rioter’s and the violence they promote says a lot.

  • “Nobody has the right to protest anything armed. That’s what is supposed to separate us from lawless societies.”

    Remember that when reminiscing on what happened in Charlottesville a year ago. The “Unite the Right” types not only came to the protest better armed than the police, but announced from the very beginning that their people should come armed. They were hoping to get the police panicked into a violent confrontation that didn’t happen.

    Antifa has never come to a protest with guns, planned to, nor ever shot anyone at one. Yet you feel the need to demonize them over people who announced their intention to start a violent murderous confrontation with police and counter-protestors.

    Murdering protesters is really a regular thing for the white supremacist crowd you deflect for.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greensboro_massacre

  • Yes. More!!
    Destruction of businesses owners storefronts is funny!!
    Yes, starting property on fire that is not yours is funny!!
    Throwing things at police officers is funny!!
    Taking over government buildings with threats of violence is funny!!
    Assaulting reporters is funny!!
    Threatening to “Gaddafi” the President is funny!!
    Preventing free speech is funny!!

  • You tell me. I have yet to see much of it from you.

    When have you bothered to even discuss the story here?

    You seem to be very busy running cover for murderous domestic terrorists here.

  • I did. I said early on that I am thankful to those of faith for standing up to evil. We need more people of faith in this world.

  • if you were honest, we wouldn’t have been talking about antifa in this article. Given they are not in this story.

    Interestingly the neo nazis didn’t have much of a presence in a city with zero tolerance of “armed protesters”. Unlike Charlottesville and Portland. Go figure.

  • Dude, if you were honest; you would acknowledge the thuggery that exists on your side of the aisle.
    Again, I don’t condone violence or white supremacy or anything else like that. I also don’t like the assumption that is made that because these people are old right; that they represent Christians or conservatives in general.
    I also think it is fair and appropriate that all of us that contribute to these pages agree that hate is hate and violence is violence; and should not be tolerated or condoned by anyone regardless of who is doing it.

  • “Dude, if you were honest; you would acknowledge the thuggery that exists on your side of the aisle.”

    Why should I?
    How many people have been murdered by them? ZERO.
    How many protests did they come bearing firearms? ZERO
    How many different groups of people do they want murdered or enslaved. ZERO

    Same can’t possibly be said of the people you are running cover for? There is no equivalence here. No “both sides are doing it” here. There is one side which is really really bad, and then there are those not even coming close to that.

    ” I also don’t like the assumption that is made that because these people are old right; that they represent Christians or conservatives in general.”

    They don’t represent all Christians. But Conservative Christians have embraced white supremacists with gusto as of late. If you don’t want to be associated with them, then don’t support their platforms and don’t deflect on their behalf.

  • I see the usual Evangelical Christians are here screaming about “antifa” instead of denouncing racism and neo-Nazi’s. Well, given the long history of racism in Evangelicalism, I’m not surprised they were not only MIA yesterday, but can’t even bring themselves to condemn racism today. Of course they also don’t want to offend their patron saint Trump, who’s a racist too.

  • LOL! Get back to me when you can muster the intestinal fortitude to tell me white supremacists are really unambiguously bad people.

  • Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but I notice the author of this article didn’t mention any Evangelical churches being present at the counter-protest. No representation from the megachurch set? Or did the reporter leave them out for some reason?

  • Bigotry is firmly rooted in religion, especially the Southern Baptist “Church”. It was founded to counter the efforts of Northern Baptist Churches to help escaped slaves find freedom in Canada. Facts can be very inconvenient for those who try to white wash history.

  • Your bigotry is exposed as usual. Just go away as your anti-Christian and anti-American views are not wanted here.

  • I did’t say bigotry doesn’t exist within religion. I said it isn’t faith-based. There’s a difference.

    I don’t try to whitewash history. I try to see it straight on. And history has taught me that people with unhealthy motives are going to find a way to justify those motives. Sometimes they use religion. Sometimes they don’t. Either way, it’s not about faith but about the desire for power.

  • So I take it your comment was just an attempt to deflect and turn this into a discussion about how “liberals are the real racists.” No wonder nobody believes conservatives’ denunciation of white nationalists.

  • Not at all, I wanted to see if those so eager to link the racists to the Right would be willing to apply the same logic to the Left.

  • Only White Nations are being subject to Third World immigration.

    See — “Coudenhave-Kalergi Plan for White Genocide”

    See — Barbara Lerner Spectre

    “The man of the future will be a mongrel. Today’s races and classes will disappear owing to the disappearing of space, time, and prejudice.”

    “The Eurasian-Negroid race of the future, similar in its outward appearance to the Ancient Egyptians, will replace the diversity of peoples with a diversity of individuals.”

    Richard Nikolaus von Coudenhove-Kalergi, Austrian politician, philosopher and count of Coudenhove-Kalergi, considered the father of the modern European Union

  • Because that’s where the money is.

    But of course, they are STILL emigrating to other countries that are not white.

    And not everybody actually cares one way or the other about race and its imaginary, fear filled dangers. Personally, I would much prefer the company of brown people to hate people, fascist people, religionistas, racists, and the like.

  • And you are wrong to do so. These racists have less in common with the Right than AntiFA has with the Left, and their attempt to shoehorn themselves into the mainstream has been a miserable failure.

  • Unfortunately, the alt-right white nationalist shoehorning has not been as much of a miserable failure as we would like. There is a plethora of Republican candidates for office this fall with views ranging from actual [email protected] (Arthur Jones, US House-IL 3) to The Jews Control Everything and “illegal immigrants should be shot on site” (former conservative media superstar Paul Nehlen, US House-WI 1 [Paul Ryan’s seat]) to “H1tler was right” (Steve West, Missouri House 15). Not to mention Laura “Demographics” Ingraham. The GOP can condemn them but they can’t stop them from running. It is a monster of their own creation.

  • It is not about ‘fear’. It is about principle. It’s about Truth and Justice. I realize you can never understand as you are part of the Spirit of Anti-Christ.

  • I’m always surprised to hear people advocating that white people be ejected from the USA, but I suppose if you believe Native American nations for Native Americans and White Nations for Whites, then I have no choice but to accept your views.

  • I wouldn’t say a plethora, more like a handful. And it is one of the oddities of the US system (or rather “systems”) that the parties have little to no control over who runs for office under their banners. That does not mean those racists, Left or Right, that choose to run are accepted in the mainstreams of the two sides. Though that acceptance actually runs more to the Left than the Right — how many in the Democratic Party are supporters, whether vocal or quiet, of Louis Farrakhan? And then there’s the inherent racism of racial quotas and affirmative action, as exemplified by the lawsuit by Asians denied entrance to Harvard.

  • The issue of the Red Indian and White Settlers/Pioneers etc., etc., is a period in time that the Cultural Marxists use to their agenda. In other words…………………..truth and facts are often hard to find.
    A good book to ‘counter’ or ‘balance’ this topic would be “Scalp Dance” by Thomas Goodrich

  • I’m interested in what steps you have taken to move white people (including yourself, I presume, as I assume you are white) out of the American continent.

  • Like 6:27 on.

    John 3 : 15.

    John2:9 onwards.

    John 4:19.

    You lose, Roy. But then, I expect very few bible believing Christians think that Jesus is talking to them. Prime examples? You and your fellow travelers.

  • I don’t understand your question/position. Please elaborate.
    I am not trying to ‘move’ white people out of the North American Continent.

  • You aren’t?! But I thought believed Asia was for Asian, etc? So, America for Native Americans, right?

  • You are joking right? What evidence do you have that the Red Indian owned the North American Continent?
    Not to mention…………….there is ample evidence to suggest White men lived in North America long before the Red Indian made their way here. But you don’t care.

  • Oh, I don’t know, the evidence that they were literally already living there when the whites moved over? *ponder*

    But hey, color me shocked that you suddenly abandon this “people belong in certain regions” the minute it would require anything of you. SHOCKED.

  • Simple Question Eris —
    Is it your opinion that the first Settlers/Explorers, upon seeing a T-Pee, should they have boarded their ships and sailed back to Europe? Is this your belief?

  • I think that people need to be consistent in their positions. You don’t get to make standards and then exempt yourself from them because they are too onerous. Simple as that. Do I think your standard is stupid? Yes, but I don’t think it is just stupid when it applies to me.

  • It’s always easier to do that than to take responsibility for your self your beliefs, and your actions.

  • If you love Truth…………………good article to get you started —

    https://www.amren.com/news/2017/10/indian-savages-american-indian-wars-scalp-dance-thomas-goodrich/

    Good Comment — Besides, “Native Americans,” or Amerinds, are of Asian descent. There is nothing “native” about them so they have no more claim on this land than we do, other than the fact that they may have been here longer than we have. Of course, this is in dispute, too. It looks like Europeans may have been in Canada/North America much earlier than we once believed…”

  • If you don’t like my answer, I’m sorry, but that’s my honest answer. I’m also sorry you want to have one standard for yourself and a different standard for everyone else because you can’t meet the standard you want to impose on everyone else. That’s pretty disgusting.

  • Well, if you want to send all of the human race back to a certain section of Africa, that’s a different position than you were previously advancing, and I would like to see what steps you have taken to do that. Or if you’re saying races don’t belong in certain places, that’s also a change, but whatever.

  • I’m curious: why do you interact with him? If all reasonable people blocked the trolls, they would interact only among themselves, and the rest of us could have rational conversations or discussions. I honestly don’t understand why people are continuing to give the trolls a forum.

  • 1) If there is an objective difference between the races, why do you even need to ask? Why don’t you know my race?

    2) If there isn’t an objective difference what makes you think I know my race? I know what I look like, sure, but my ancestry could be filled with all kinds of things. I could give you a link to the twins born to “biracial” parents where one twin is labeled “white” and the other is labeled “black.” Same ancestral background, obviously.

    3) What difference does it make?

  • I don’t actually agree with that premise. I understand that some people feel that if everyone doesn’t “feed the trolls” they will go away, but I absolutely think this false, and I think it has been shown to be false. Instead, I think it allows trolls to congregate unchallenged and gain momentum. It allows them to harass vulnerable populations and simply tells the vulnerable populations to endure it without support while allowing the bigots to recruit without opposition. It’s a failed tactic.

  • 1) If there is an objective difference between the races, why do you even need to ask? Why don’t you know my race?
    How could I possibly know your race? Is that your photo?!
    I’m asking because this conversation is pointless unless you are a White person.

  • If I am the same regardless of my race (and this would in face render you unable to discern my race without a picture), then I fail to see why you think my race matters in this conversation. If I am different depending on my race, then the fact that you can’t tell without a picture is a problem: a difference should be manifesting that enables you to determine my race.

  • Like everything else there are exceptions (real life is messy), but in a properly functioning non-evil tyranny, the Rule of Law requires that laws be enforced — but that doesn’t mean that they need to be obeyed, so long as those refusing to obey the laws are willing to accept the consequences of their decision. To quote a couple of my favorite writers, David Weber and Eric Flint:

    “Rules were meant to be broken.”

    “Don’t disagree, indeed they are. Providing, however, that the one breaking the rules is willing to pay the price for it, and the price gets charged in full. Otherwise, breaking rules becomes the province of brats instead of heroes. Fastest way I can think of to turn serious political affairs into a playpen. A civilized society needs a conscience, and conscience can’t be developed without martyrs — real ones — against which a nation can measure its crimes and sins.”

  • It’s OK that you disagree. But your method of responding to them constantly only gives them another chance to spew their hate. You are not going to convince them, because they are not interested in any reasoned arguments.

    It’s not clear to me how they can harass anyone if everyone blocks them and does not read what they write. It seems to me that they gain momentum with each time that they are provided with an added opportunity to respond.

    It’s not clear to me how you can say that it’s a failed tactic, since it’s certainly not been tried here.

    Another tactic that could be employed would be for all rational commenters to flag offensive comments. Maybe, if there were sufficient flags, the powers that be at RNS might take notice and actually enforce the commenting guidelines that they have set out.

  • We don’t have enough law enforcement to enforce all of the laws. So, there is de facto selective prosecution. It seems to me that people usually want strict enforcement of the laws with which they agree, but no the laws with which they disagree. It also seems to me that some people insist on the enforcement of laws against people whom they see as being different than they are, and not against those whom they see as the same.

  • I’m not interested in convincing him, as I agree that he is beyond reason. I’m interested in those who are watching. I’m interested in showing that he is irrational, hateful, wrong, and bigoted. I’m interested in showing that he is not unopposed. I’m interested in showing he can’t spew his disgusting nonsense without consequence. I’m interested in not allowing his voice to be the voice in the room.

    And let’s be clear: I lack the ability to give him a “chance” to vomit his poison. If I could ban him and shut him down, I would. I can’t. If you think that the moderator of the comment section might be open to doing that, I encourage you to petition them to ban him. I think that this is unlikely to happen or it already would have.

  • Yes, we have prosecutorial discretion, where prosecutors can decide on a case-by-case basis whether to take a case to court (which is the exact opposite of what Obama claimed when it ELIMINATED prosecutorial discretion in immigration enforcement). But that is a matter of available resources and the odds of obtaining convictions, not a judgment of the law itself. That is very different from the Democrats’ crusade against enforcing our immigration laws and opposition to ICE performing its duties.

    As for your “law enforcement is bigoted” position, that is a reason to demand that laws be enforced fairly, not that they not be enforced.

  • I did not use the term “bigoted”, so I’m not sure where that came from.
    Obama did not eliminate prosecutorial discretion in immigration enforcement. What happened is that the enforcement priorities were clearly established. Now, everyone who is out of status is first priority. That is when selective enforcement is most likely.

    I think that most Democrats would like to see ICE focus its priorities on people who have been convicted of violent crimes. Most would like to see a clear hierarchy of priorities, not a flat enumeration, with everyone on the same level. As I said, such a lack of clear priorities is what allows for selective prosecution.

2019 NewsMatch Campaign: This Story Can't Wait! Donate.

ADVERTISEMENTs