Fred Armisen and Maya Rudolph star in “Forever” on Amazon. Photo by Colleen Hayes/Amazon Studios

When the Good Place gets too good for comfort

SPOILER ALERT: This column contains spoilers about the Amazon Studios series "Forever."

"Forever," the dramedy series that premiered last month on Amazon, is the most spiritually intriguing new TV show you should be watching this fall.

Starring SNL alums Maya Rudolph as June and Fred Armisen as her husband, Oscar, the eight-part series, which dropped in its entirety in September, does a deep dive into the meaning of life by exploring what happens when it ends.

Oscar is first to arrive in the afterlife when he skis into a tree. His beloved June joins him about a year later when she chokes on a macadamia nut during a flight to Hawaii.

For the couple, the hereafter is ambiguous — neither heaven nor hell. Rather, it seems a lot like their former life in a subdivision of tidy ranch-style homes in suburban Riverside, Calif.

Familiar, safe, comfortable.

“What are we supposed to be doing?” June asks Oscar soon after she arrives, lying on her back on the manicured front lawn of their (apparently) eternal home.

“I don’t know,” Oscar says.

Is there a God? Oscar doesn’t know that, either.

But there is a shuffleboard court.

At first blush, it appears as if life just goes on on the other side of the veil in much the same way it had before, except they don’t have to work, and food simply appears in their well-appointed kitchens and pantries — including some of their favorites.

For June, it’s oolong tea.

For their neighbor Mark, who died in a car crash in the 1970s when he was a teenager, leaving him to spend eternity as a perpetually moody 17-year-old, the hereafter includes an endless supply of Reggie bars.

Fred Armisen and Maya Rudolph walk their eternal neighborhood in “Forever” on Amazon. Photo by Colleen Hayes/Amazon Studios

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June and Oscar’s home is decorated in midcentury modern perfection with its soothing green-blue and earth-tone palette, clean lines and whimsical Bitossi pottery.

“It’s really nice — there are so many seating options,” June exclaims when she sees their living room for the first time. “Yeah, I had nothing to do with it,” Oscar says. “It was like this when I got here.”

Oscar spends his days struggling doing crossword puzzles at the dining room table. June teaches herself how to make vases and bowls on a potter’s wheel on the back patio (a nod, no doubt, to the famous Demi Moore/Patrick Swayze scene from "Ghost"). They go for strolls through the neighborhood, where the weather feels perpetually like early autumn with its amber light and just enough of a nip in the air to make you reach for your flannel shirt or lightweight cashmere pullover.


What the Danes have taught us to call hygge — a comfy, convivial atmosphere that fosters well-being.

It would appear to be a deliberate choice by "Forever" creators Alan Yang and Matt Hubbard to assemble a mise-en-scène that projects comfort. One of the first things I noticed is that June almost always wears clogs or clog-boots — so much so that I tweeted about it.

Amazon Studios responded with a tweet that said: “No matter where we are, we’re striving for comfort.”

Aha! I knew I was on to something. There’s more to this coziness than meets the eye.

Soon (a relative term when speaking of eternity), for June, familiarity and hygge morph into monotony and routine.

June is bored.

And the prospect of eternal boredom, well, that’s just hell.

Maybe Riverside isn’t The Good Place it appears to be, even if Oscar believes it is.

“It’s safe here, it’s nice. … I like where we are,” he says. “It’s not so bad. Look at this house. Look at the flow from the kitchen to the living room.”

June isn’t having it.

“We do the same things every single day and I don’t see that changing literally forever,” she says. "And that bothers me.”

When Catherine Keener’s character, Kase, moves in next door in all her acerbic, misanthropic glory, she is the catalyst that stokes June’s discontent. Eventually, the two women ditch Oscar and take off for another place — Oceanside — after meeting a mysterious valise-carrying traveler (Peter Weller doing his best impression of the ferryman from the River Styx).

“You might find it interesting,” he tells them.

While the "Forever" universe appears to be nontheistic or at least agnostic, there is a kind of secular dogma that runs through it.

Think of it as a theology of comfort.

"Comfort is an easy thing to value when you have a fleeting life," said Brett McCracken, senior editor for The Gospel Coalition and author of "Uncomfortable: The Awkward and Essential Challenge of Christian Community." "But our ideas of satisfaction and comfort are really actually quite anemic. … Comfort, in the grand scheme of things, is a sad, little thing to emphasize."

Maya Rudolph and Fred Armisen in a scene from “Forever” on Amazon. Photo by Colleen Hayes/Amazon Studios

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Watching Oscar, June and Kase struggle with the afterlife’s endless mundanities reminds McCracken of something C.S. Lewis said. In "The Weight of Glory," Lewis wrote: “We are half-hearted creatures, fooling about with drink and sex and ambition when infinite joy is offered us, like an ignorant child who wants to go on making mud pies in a slum because he cannot imagine what is meant by the offer of a holiday at the sea. We are far too easily pleased.”

It’s an image that comes to life (or at least afterlife) in "Forever," McCracken said.

“They eventually make it to a holiday by the sea and a seaside castle, and up until that point, June is literally making mud pies with her pottery,” he said. “They’re living as half-hearted creatures, fooling around with these things that they think bring happiness, while neglecting, potentially, the availability of a more intimate, true, lasting joy.”

Ultimately, comfort for comfort’s sake, whether in this life or the next, the show seems to suggest, is at best a vapid pursuit. Humankind needs something far greater than pastimes and sugary confections (literally and metaphorically) to give life — and death — real meaning.

We need relationship. And while the familiarity that relationships bring — even with the people who bring us the most comfort — can breed contempt, they also foster intimacy.

“Intimacy is something we strive for,” said Rabbi Danya Ruttenberg, author of "Nurture the Wow: Finding Spirituality in the Frustration, Boredom, Tears, Poop, Desperation, Wonder, and Radical Amazement of Parenting." “You can find God in going into and through your relationships. The deeper you can go into another person — that can be your doorway into everything.”

Only there are our possibilities both endless and eternal.

The first season of "Forever" ends with June and Oscar reunited in Oceanside. Despite its bottomless supply of champagne and bon temps, it turns out to be less heavenly than it did at first blush, and the couple strikes out together for an unknown Third Place, if you will.

“There was a sense of something beckoning them to keep looking and daring further. To where, I don’t know,” McCracken said. “Is there a season two?”

That’s the question.

Because the show airs on a streaming service, there are no ratings available publicly the way they are for network shows, so it’s hard to say how the show’s doing.

Surely there is an audience for this spiritually clever, intellectually intriguing comedic fare — after all, most Americans believe in the afterlife (according to Pew Research, 72 percent say there’s a literal, physical heaven, and 58 percent believe in an actual hell) so the subject matter is evergreen.

As of this writing, Amazon has yet to announce the fate of "Forever." But hope springs eternal.


  1. “Think of it as [Amazon’s] theology of comfort”? No, thanks, I’ve got this “[gospel] of comfort” already:

    (1) Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

    (2) Woe to you who are rich, for you are receiving your comfort in full.

    (3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and God of all comfort, who comforts us in all our affliction so that we will be able to comfort those who are in any affliction with the comfort with which we ourselves are comforted by God. For just as the sufferings of Christ are ours in abundance, so also our comfort is abundant through Christ. But if we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation; or if we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which is effective in the patient enduring of the same sufferings which we also suffer; and our hope for you is firmly grounded, knowing that as you are sharers of our sufferings, so also you are sharers of our comfort.

    (4) Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself and God our Father, who has loved us and given us eternal comfort and good hope by grace, comfort and strengthen your hearts in every good work and word.

    Source: (1) Matthew 5:4. (2) Luke 6:24. (3) 2 Corinthians 1:3-7. (4) 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17.

  2. Thanks for the review. All things considered, I think I’ll take a pass on the show and just spend more time with my wife while we both are alive.
    Happiness has a lot to do with just intentionally trying to be sweet with and to one another. Kind words and shared laughs make the word “bored” magically disappear.

  3. Does the Christian view point of eternal contemplation of the divine sound any better?

    Eternity sounds to me like a hell of a long time. And an eternity of old age sounds even worse.

    Maybe the proper attitude is gratitude for being here, and living the best life you can in the time you have. Auntie Mame said it perfectly: “life is a banquet, and mostpoor suckers are starving to death!”

  4. Live life with an attitude of gratitude. The hereafter can and will take care of itself. Thanks for the quote.

  5. Yup, that’s the major problem with mainstream Christianity’s views of the afterlife—for it to actually be “heavenly,” we have to cease to be human in fundamental ways.

  6. Floyd tried to turn that one against me once. “Gratitude to WHOM?” he asked smarmily. I simply replied he needed someone to be grateful to, because he lived in a theocracy where he would be punished if he didn’t do the proper obeisances.

  7. Seems more of a fundamentalist thing. Their view of what is required to get into heaven involves a lot of rather anti-social behavior, self-denial, fear and recrimination.

    Kind of misses the point. If one has to spend an eternity with such people, how can it be eternal bliss?

  8. It’s the present that’s meant and predesigned to arouse desires for eternity. But if that doesn’t work, you’re right, nothing will. I respect that you do not, but I for one reject and despise the following Glories of the Merely Here & Now:

    (1) Already “a hell of a long time” is “old age”.

    (2) “The proper attitude is gratitude for being here, and living the best life you can in the time you have.”

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