Notre Dame students cite faith as they kneel during national anthem to protest racism

Notre Dame students link arms and kneel during the national anthem to protest racial injustice before the university’s football game on Nov. 10, 2018, in South Bend, Ind. Photo courtesy of Madeleine Thompson

(RNS) — Dozens of students at the University of Notre Dame took a knee during the playing of the national anthem at the Catholic school’s football game in South Bend, Ind., this weekend, saying their faith compels them to protest racism.

As “The Star-Spangled Banner” blared before Notre Dame’s last home game of the season on Saturday (Nov. 10), students in six rows of the school’s football stadium suddenly knelt in unison, joining a movement to protest racism and police brutality that has caused controversy for the past two years across professional and scholastic sports contests. Organizers said they estimated around 90 students participated, although the school newspaper reported at least 60.

According to a statement on a Facebook group page created ahead of the protest, the student organizers said the action was meant to confront a Notre Dame student body that they say has not faced “the reality of systemic racial injustice.”

Organizers told Religion News Service that faith was a key motivator of the protest, noting they intend to hold a panel discussion later this week about racism and their decision to kneel.

“It was designed to encourage ND students to see racial justice as an essential part of their faith, and to rethink who a progressive activist looks like,” said Mary Katherine Hieatt, a junior at Notre Dame and one of the student organizers. “Some of the participants told me that they really responded to our connection to Catholic tradition.”

The students argued their demonstration was in the spirit of Catholic priest and former Notre Dame president the Rev. Theodore Hesburgh, who protested with Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights movement of the 1960s. The Facebook group page included an image of Hesburgh and King.

“We will link arms in prayer/solidarity as Fr. Hesburgh and Martin Luther King Jr. did, in the hopes of ​reframing ​​the issue for our peers who have differing beliefs,” the Facebook statement read. “That, rather than being dismissed as ‘just a liberal act,’ many might reconsider how this movement of justice and reconciliation aligns deeply with shared values (among many) of faith, Notre Dame tradition, and Fr. Hesburgh.”

The demonstration came just days before this week’s meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, where Catholic leaders are expected to issue their first major letter on racism since the civil rights era.

The students join a number of NFL players, other athletes and entertainers who see kneeling during the anthem as both a protest against police brutality and racism and an expression of their faith. The movement, begun by former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick in 2016, has drawn the ire of President Donald Trump and prompted colleges, high schools and NFL team owners to attempt to issue rules about when kneeling will be tolerated.

San Francisco 49ers safety Eric Reid wrote in a September 2017 New York Times op-ed that his Christianity moved him to be one of the first players to kneel with Kaepernick.

“That’s when my faith moved me to take action. I looked to James 2:17, which states, ‘Faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead,’” Reid wrote. “I knew I needed to stand up for what is right.”

In fact, several NFL players have referenced faith as inspiring their protest against racism and police brutality. Patriots safety Devin McCourty said during a press conference in September 2017 that he and other players planned their anthem protest after attending chapel. And when New Orleans Saints running back Mark Ingram was asked by Sports Illustrated why he sat during the anthem, he said it was because “I’m a Christian,” adding, “when I feel something isn’t right, I just want to bring awareness to it.”

College players have also invoked their faith while kneeling in protest during the anthem. University of Nebraska football player Michael Rose-Ivey said in 2016 he and others knelt during the anthem and prayed as they did so, referencing the Bible and asking God to “look down on this country with grace and mercy.”

Entertainers have invoked God as well. Jessica Sanchez, made famous by her appearance on “American Idol,” defended her decision to kneel while singing the anthem at a football game by referencing Proverbs 31:8-9 from the Bible: “Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute.” Country singer Meghan Linsey, who knelt while singing the anthem at an NFL game last year, also referred to Jesus as part of her inspiration.

“Jesus loved everyone and had empathy,” Linsey wrote in a Facebook post. “Our current president knows nothing about empathy, and I can’t believe how many of his ‘supposed’ followers he has brainwashed.”

Trump faith adviser Robert Jeffress has rebuked those who cite their faith while kneeling, reiterating the president’s longstanding critique of the practice.

“Many of these players claim to be strong Christians, and I believe they are,” Jeffress told Fox News in 2017. “And I think they ought to remember what Jesus said — render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s. Jesus said we have a responsibility toward our government. We owe our government not just our taxes, but we owe them our respect and our prayers.”

But other religious Americans also take issue with the national anthem for different reasons. Many Mennonite Christians do not stand during the national anthem or sing it because they disagree with its militaristic language and how it lifts up the nation instead of God. Mennonite colleges, such as Eastern Mennonite University, often do not play the anthem at sporting events.

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Jack Jenkins is a national reporter for RNS based in Washington, covering U.S. Catholics and the intersection of religion and politics.


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  • Jeffers said: “Jesus said we have a responsibility toward our government. We owe our government not just our taxes, but we owe them our respect and our prayers.”

    Yes, but we also owe them our voices – we live in a democracy. We certainly do not owe silence were evil persists. Kneeling during the national anthem is also a form of speech, a way of saying we are not living up to the promise of a nation that believes in freedom, equality – that “all men are created equal.” It is wrong to be silent where this is being undermined.

    Good for the Notre Dame students who are living their Catholic faith.

  • Of course they cite faith. That’s an allure of deity worship. Helps remove personal accountability, as Bible verses can be found which allow and disallow any behavior. “I’m doing this to please a deity.” Rubbish!

  • Kneeling during the anthem isn’t a religious issue – regardless of what RNS or anyone else says; it’s a political issue.

    The unfortunate thing for these rich, spoiled Catholic kids (and most others who’s minds are polluted on college campuses each day) is that by kneeling during the national anthem; they are disrespectful to the thousands of police officers who have given their lives or patrol daily in service of their community.

    Was there any kneeling this weekend for Ron Helus?! The police officer who gave his life for others? A guy who ran into a hail of bullets to save others? The guy who placed others before himself? The only people kneeling for him this weekend was his family. Where was BLM? Where was Colin Kaepernick with his pig socks?

    Shame on every athlete who demeans those who serve daily and give their lives for others. Shame on those who are uneducated and jump on a cause because it’s the latest bucket dump challenge on Facebook.

    This is a black vs white issue. Black vs the police issue. Anarchists vs law and order issue. This has nothing to do with God.

    This is all man.

  • Protest Racism???

    What a joke.

    I’m a 52 year old man. I’ve lived in a half dozen states. Georgia being one of them. I’ve been to a half dozen colleges. I’ve been both “right” politically and “left”………… I’m neither.


    Today’s Definition of Racism is simply — ANTI-WHITE.

    Wake up White Folk. You are a victim of soft genocide —

  • I agree, it is a political issue. However, I believe that for many folks involved in such an action, their political actions are driven by their religious beliefs, so it isn’t completely a non-religious issue.

    I am not aware of any culture in time or place where kneeling was viewed as a sign of disrespect. I don’t see how the action demeans anyone, it is an action that states those kneeing don’t believe that things are yet where they should be.

    As to Officer Helus, there has been nothing but honor and respect demonstrated for the man’s heroism and sacrifice, in the community where he served and across the US.

    You question the sincerity of those who kneel, yet we all know that you don’t actually care about any of this. You just like to bitch and complain about those who disagree with you. There is no sincerity in you r comments in this thread.

  • And for many folks political beliefs and religious beliefs are interchangeable, so for them it effectively is a non-religious issue.

  • “I am not aware of any culture in time or place where kneeling was viewed as a sign of disrespect “….
    Uhhhhh… I just gave you one. Maybe I should be more specific and state that in the United States of America; it is respectful to stand for our national anthem. Anything other that that is not.
    I’m not sure what is considered respectful in Mexico; but in the US, we stand.
    Interesting how you narrowed your commentary of Officer helus to his local community. Why was BLM and Colin Kaepernick and the SF
    cheerleader not kneeling for him on social media or elsewhere?
    Because they don’t respect the police.

  • “Anything other that that is not.” “Because they don’t respect the police.”
    A major asumption on your part. For you, those things are true. Not so for others.

    I stated across the US for the officer.

    “Why was BLM and Colin Kaepernick and the SF cheerleader not kneeling for him on social media or elsewhere?”
    Ask anyone you know with knowledge of Psychology about hidden expetations.

  • I’ll ask them about cowardly avoidance and innuendos from a non-US citizen who has a lot to say about the US; but little about his own.

  • The best way to protest the national anthem at sports events is to not be in attendance. That way, you can not offend anyone and still wonder to yourself whether the national anthem Is performed there REALLY to honor the nation, the veterans, our freedom, etc., or whether it is performed there as a misappropriation of something which ought be reserved tor events more solemn than the ball games.

  • Yup. A bunch of CINO’s.
    Aren’t these the good Catholics that just a few weeks ago were complaining about contraception not being part of ND’s health plan?
    They should get on their knees in the Chapel of Our Lady and beg for forgiveness….

  • I’m glad that you’re responding in the way that you are. I think that you make very good points. I find it funny that some people need to put down these students for putting their faith into action.

  • The Clippers, Bucks, Lakers and Hawks all warmed up for their games with Ron Helus’s name on the back of their T-shirts, along with the other victims of the shooting.

  • Uhm … so “Catholic priest and former Notre Dame president … Theodore Hesburgh … protest[ing] with Martin Luther King Jr. during the civil rights movement of the 1960s” – uhm … “took a knee during the playing of the national anthem”, did he now?

    And … uhm … what did Theodore Hesburgh do with the “knee” that he “took” from … uhm … whose was it? … uhm … from “Martin Luther King Jr.”?

    But uhm … the whole point of “t[a]k[ing] a knee” is to “link arms in prayer/solidarity as Fr. Hesburgh and Martin Luther King Jr. did”? Is that it?

    Wait, what? So, anatomically, then … uhm … “Theodore Hesburgh … took a knee … [in order to … uhm …] “link arms”?


  • Probably. We have already proven that trying to buck the football fan crowd with kneeling protests does not work and serves mostly to bolster the nationalism baloney. I “get” the sentiment of the kneeling players, these students and a cheerleader. I also get it that they are not managing to convince the general public like they wish they were. What they have managed to do is get our crazy president to suggest retaliation against them, such as firing players——with all of his supporters buying it.

  • So protesting police violence is not appropriate free speech or expression of Christian belief but demands for discrimination, infantile threats and attacking people for its own sake apparently is for you.

    I can’t see why any decent moral people would follow your version of Christianity. I can see why a lot of miscreants would.

  • Learn the how-to of “sincerity in … comments in [a] thread” – from the best, y’all! Here it is:

    “David Allen 4 months ago … I can see why both women and men might be physically attracted to [Rinpoche], he is pretty damn cute. An almost irresistible smile.” (Responding to an RNS report that “Mipham Rinpoche … had sexually abused female followers for years”!)


    Except in the mirror every day.

    “Wake up White Folk. You are a victim of soft genocide”

    So funny that you attribute your incel status to others. It’s not other races keeping you from mating with white womenfolk. It’s your personality and body odor.

  • Is this supposed to proveor disprove something? Most folks here have difficulty following your crazy posts.


    Spuddie said: “Except in the mirror every day.”

    I say, “Evidence that he wouldn’t know a racist if he saw one!”

  • We do not even know if they have a faith, or if they have one what it might be.

    1 out of 5 Notre Dame students are not Catholic, and of the “Catholic” students less than half know and practice the Catholic Faith.

  • The phrase “nationalism baloney” certainly indicates your comments lack a certain …. patriotisme.

  • And I referenced my status as a legal resident as why I’m interested in issues in the country in which I live and am processing the paperwork for citizenship.

  • Of course you know, that in the end, I don’t give a crap what either of you think regarding my status, my interests or my progress. I choose to participate here. I do so without hiding under false identities. There aren’t any litmus tests for participating.

  • No, I understand what you are saying, as I understood what he said.

    I just don’t know why you keep commenting.

  • No, what you said “4 months ago [was] … I can see why both women and men might be physically attracted to [Rinpoche], he is pretty damn cute. An almost irresistible smile.” (In response to an RNS report that “Mipham Rinpoche … had sexually abused female followers for years”!)

  • You have no qualifications to assess & determine “harm and disrespect”. Otherwise, you’d have told us long ago what your credentials are.

  • Give me to doublecheck at least 7 of such “Bible verses [[that] can be found which allow and disallow any behavior.” You have 48 hours. GO, Atheist, go!

  • “Kneeling … is … speech”? Wow. And … uhm … do your knees require megaphones so people can hear those body parts of yours talk?

  • There are all kinds of Christians on different sides of each issue, this one being “kneel during U.S. National Anthem to protest Racism.”

    Why not STAND during the U.S. National Anthem to uphold the ideals of that country which would include working to harmonize race relations?

  • Whys not skip the whole waste of time completely — and just get to the game?

    Too many phony people want to pretend to be Jimmy Cagney in “Yankee Doodle Dandy”…Sing, dance and make love to the flag on your own time !!

  • Beats a hard genocide any day of the week !!

    Play that funky music white boy — on your way into the history books !!

  • Since when is the anthem only about Vets and Police officers?

    Why can’t we sing about rockets red glare for rich spoiled Catholic kids…and fighting Irish too?

  • So the policeman in Chicago who was just convicted of murdering a fleeing suspect – what was that? A love tap? When the black marchers walked across the Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma, Mississippi and were promptly set upon by the police with truncheons and dogs – what was that? A police prayer meeting?

  • I’m not surprised you supported the police beating the civl rights marchers crossing the Edmund Pettus Bridge. White supremacy and racism are an important part of Evangelical Christianity in America.

  • One reads these comments in the hopes of encountering an intelligent thought, analysis, or insight that provides insight, grist for additional thoughts, or perspective on someone else’s considerations.

    Then one encounters your comment …..

  • This Atheist disagrees:

    “[At] a medal-giving ceremony … before we ate, we all were asked to stand for the National Anthem … I stood … even though I’m an Atheist … It’s no big deal to stand or sing for the National Anthem … no matter what I feel about God”.

    Source: Rachel Bateman, “Do British atheists sing ‘God save the Queen’?”, Quora, April 23, 2017.

  • “There are all kinds of Christians on different sides of each issue, this one being “kneel during U.S. National Anthem to protest Racism.”

    The other being largely white supremacists who support racism and other miscreants who have no concept of free speech.

  • It’s sad that so many students at Notre Dame have no love for the country that protects and sustains them.

  • Play that funky music white boy — on your way into the history books !!

    Also………….thanks for your honesty. Just wish the rest of my Race could see it!

  • A few days ago, protestors gathered at a house in Fruita, in Western Colorado, that displayed three flags: American, Confederate, and swastika.

    The association of the American flag with the rebellious slaveholders and neo-nazis is far more disrespectful than kneeling during the national anthem.

  • Those PROVEN (not just accused) to be as you state could be “Lord, Lord” pretenders, not the subject of my post .
    Matthew 21 [Jesus] “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven,
    Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

  • Not a denial or refutation in any way. More of an admission really.

    Sectarian gibberish from a person with ego issues. Of course YOUR faith is the one true one and anyone who disagrees with you is simply against God. Why be sane when you can engage in rude nonsense and claim divine support.

    When you feel the need to pray, no not be like the pious hypocrites who loudly pronounce their faith. When you feel the need to pray You should go to your room and close the door . -Matthew as well 😀

  • Yes. Just as carrying a torch in one hand and a Nazi flag in the other hand is “speech.” Here is what will surprise you – someone can love this country and kneel during the anthem.

  • Nope. I just want to know if that’s free speech.
    Or because it’s the latest quasi protected group; is it considered hate speech?
    Why would I be arraigned?

  • It is entirely possible for Catholic students at Notre Dame to kneel during the anthem in recognition of the problem of racial injustice in our society. In fact, it would be consistent with Catholicism. And, I think it is a good way to call attention to racism in our society. Why would it be a problem to you?

  • Because you somehow got in trouble?

    Its like cross burning. Do it on your own property, nobody has to care. Do it on someone’s lawn, and we all do. Most towns have ordinances against burning stuff in public forums. 🙂

  • Interesting and hypocritical.
    I can burn a US flag – that’s free speech.
    I burn a rainbow flag – that’s not?
    Perhaps I can find the nearest LGB rally and kneel with a rainbow flag?

  • She has christianPhobia and WhitePhobia. She is simply — Anti-White and Anti-Christian.
    But………………..she is now in popular company so………….that is on us. Our “Empathy” will be out death nail.

  • I was watching Live PD the other day. A truck with two white guys tried driving away from a traffic stop. One officer emptied his clip into the Truck striking the driver in the arm. Any one of those 16 bullets could have hit the head or the heart or the lungs and this guy would have been DOA.
    This incident curiously FAILED to make the Mainstream News Cycle.
    I WONDER WHY?????!!!!!

  • Nope. I am actually paraphrasing SCOTUS’s bright line on the subject of that kind of speech.

    You can burn a flag of any kind on your own property or in a rally or some kind (got permits?). But you can’t do it on someone’s lawn or just some public place. Which is what you probably did and why you are emailing me from the county jail right now asking for legal advice.

    “I can burn a US flag – that’s free speech.
    I burn a rainbow flag – that’s not?
    Perhaps I can find the nearest LGB rally and kneel with a rainbow flag?”
    [Must…refrain….from…cheap joke…about kneeling]

    Didn’t say that at all.

    Makes no difference the kind of flag. Except to you because you are a flaming bigot who just wants to annoy people for its own sake.

    You are such a troll. 🙂

  • Tell me again exactly how (and exactly where) I was “attacking free speech.”

    This should be interesting, if indeed you are a fan of free speech.

  • You are in a big tizzy over a protest. You are trying to pretend certain things and objects are beyond any form of criticism.

    If you love free speech you have to accept it means the display of things you don’t like or find distasteful.

  • I think it’s a problem for all of us. Why? Because it effectively cloaks bigotry, hatred, and even violence against police (of all races and genders), under the noble and necessary pursuit of racial justice & racial equality.

    Kneeling is meant to point fingers in ONE direction — the police — at a time when we need to point fingers at ALL of us (including the people In the top RNS photo, who are not magically immune from doing racism.) Assigning blame to the one while deflecting blame from the other, doesn’t work.

    Kneeling is a way of saying “BLM was right” to a mass audience — without acknowledging all the nasty ways that “BLM was wrong” to the same mass audience. Catholicism should not be a part of this chess tactic.

    There are unhealed wounds, bereaved families, and hurting folks on all sides. Seeking healing is cool. But the kneeling thing is now SOILED, and you can’t heal people if your medicines and instruments are soiled.

  • The point David, is that the term “Racist” has morphed to be defined as — “Only Whites can be Racist”.

    White Student Union = Racism

    White Flight = Racism

    Whites preferring to socialize with other Whites = Racism.

    I moved out of the Atlanta Georgia area for one single reason — To Protect My Family.

    I moved to the Pacific Northwest.

    You will call me “Racist”.

    Racism = hatred for a race not of their own for no good reason.

    Why I have never met one single Racist in my entire life.

  • Absolutely do not agree that kneeling points a finger in one direction. It points a finger at all Americans as a call to examine how non-white people are treated in our society and how each individual treats any “other” who are part of a minority. Police are imperfect humans, too; they are not exempt from acting wrongly in an atmosphere in which “walking down a street while black” can result in being questioned by police – or far, far worse, given the role of police in our society.

    It is not just about police or even primarily about police. It is about you, too, floydlee. It is about an unwillingness to acknowledge a real problem does exist. A student falls asleep in a student lounge and police are called because she is black and it is an ivy league school. A man trying to enter his own apartment is blocked by a white woman who doesn’t think he belongs there – police are called. Two Hispanic women talking together while shopping are berated, yelled at, by a white woman who tells them to go back to their own country. Sikh men have been brutally beaten for the horror of living, working, breathing in this country, one for putting up campaign signs – ironically he was campaigning for a Republican candidate. There is murder of Black people and Jews while at worship services in what the shooters admit are hate crimes. Did you read of the security guard who nabbed someone shooting up a place – and the police shot the security guard. Of course the security was a Black man with a gun so the automatic assumption was that he was the bad guy, a danger to the policeman and others.

    Kneeling is pointing to all of this, not just to police making assumptions, and you, too.

  • Racism exists. It is real. This is not against police but it is for stopping abuses in our society that are happening to minorities. Not all abuse is about police, although some is. Kneeling is not “soiled” along with abuse that does not involve police there is also abuse that does involve police. Kneeling is an important way of saying the problem is a social problem – it is not pointed at police but at you, me, your neighbor, some of whom are police, but some of whom are bigots who make life miserable for minorities, and some police who act on the assumption that a black man walking down the street can be questioned because maybe he is a criminal.

    Instead of spending your time getting mad at people who kneel, spend some time getting mad at people who are bigots, who promote bigotry, who create an atmosphere of racial tension that does spill over to police operations.


    You must’ve dropped out from school (schooling in Basic Research Skills). Here’s a refresher for you:

    (1) “Issues to consider in deciding whether a source is reliable include: [1] Who is the author? What are his/her qualifications and reputation? Does he/she have any identifiable biases? [2] Who is the publisher? Is the work self-published? Does the publisher have a history of editorial reputation? Does the publisher have any biases? [3] When was the source published? Is the information outdated? [4] Does the source cite its own sources? Is it based on facts or opinions? [5] Is the source primary, secondary, or tertiary? [6] Are there any obvious errors or omissions?”

    And you must’ve become lazier and lazier in The Age of Computers. Too bad, because DOIs are just designed for “people”-species like yours:

    (2) “Digital Object Identifier or DOI is a persistent identifier or handle used to uniquely identify objects, standardized by the International Organization for Standardization (ISO). An implementation of the Handle System, DOIs are in wide use mainly to identify academic, professional, and government information, such as journal articles, research reports and data sets, and official publications though they also have been used to identify other types of information resources, such as commercial videos. … The DOI for a document remains fixed over the lifetime of the document, whereas its location and other metadata may change. Referring to an online document by its DOI is supposed to provide a more stable link than simply using its URL. But every time a URL changes, the publisher has to update the metadata for the DOI to link to the new URL. It is the publisher’s responsibility to update the DOI database. If they fail to do so, the DOI resolves to a dead link leaving the DOI useless.”

    Source: (1) The Wikipedia Library, Find sources, “Evaluating sources”. (2) Wikipedia’s sources, “Digital Object Identifier”.

  • How did the kneeling begin?
    With Colin Kaepernick and his pig socks…
    It was and IS directed at the police.
    You are intellectually dishonest in stating that this is a “social problem” and not a BLM vs the police issue.

  • Lies, more lies and damn lies.
    Started with Colin Kaepernick protesting the police. Followed by other black football players and BLM.

  • The article itself does not provide sufficient information to determine if the students were Catholic, not Catholic, or much of anything else.

    My only problem is you appear to have jumped to an unsupported conclusion because it supported what you believe.

  • A good quote, one of my favorites. But you’re missing the foundation behind that quote–the cry might be one of despair, but “my country right or wrong” IS still the cry of the patriot. Yes, blind allegiance can be love, if not wisdom. But blanket denigration is neither.

  • Your problem is you don’t want them to be Catholic youth because that would not support what you think about the issue. It is Notre Dame – and there are many Catholics One spokesperson talked about the action supporting Catholic thinking. I am delighted with the moral values they are showing and would love to think their own Catholicism or the values they are learning at a distinguished Catholic institution puts Catholicism right in their as an important influence on their call for respect and justice for minorities.

  • Nope. It is directed at the growing racism and xenophobia in our society. Police are caught up in it, too, but they are not the only ones.

    Suggest you examine how you are addressing your own blindness toward a real and growing sickness in our society.

  • How did it start? You refuse to answer the question because you know I am correct. You are naive, or an outright liar.
    This is just another attack on law enforcement by those who are against law, order or the structure of society.
    This started as a white cop vs black citizen/ criminal thing; so it is easy to fire up the race baiters and march through the city burning things with the help of black or liberal mayors.
    As much as I hate to say it, go read a newspaper.

  • And your point is what?

    Just because A may be worse that B, it does not follow that B is therefore acceptable.

    BOTH (the three flag display/kneeling -not standing- during the anthem) are completely reprehensible.

  • Not necessarily lies, Parker. But as you correctly noted, the kneeling tactic really IS aimed at the police, and always has been.

    In 2016, Colin K even told the media (USA Today) that kneeling was “his approach to police brutality”. You nailed it.

    That’s on top of the infamous “Pig Socks” that you mentioned, which Colin K was wearing even BEFORE he invented the kneeling thing. Catholicism should never get mixed up with Pig Sock religion.

    The kneeling thing is a way to do a BLM finger-pointing on the police, without having to equally admit to BLM’s astonishing (and sometimes injurious or fatal) hatred & bigotry against the police.

  • You have an important laundry list of racial incidents there, but, umm, so do I — and dollars to doughnuts, I probably started compiling mine prior to you compiling yours.

    But **mine** is a laundry list of racial mess & outright hate crimes that WE do. (Think “Carr Brothers”, Wichita KS. Not the only example.)

    Deliberately injuring, maiming and killing that WE do on the police, while piously hollering about police brutality. Think Ferguson. WE (four bigoted cowards) shot that innocent Ferguson white woman who was just trying to walk home. WE shot at our own black state police Captain, sent him & other cops running for cover.

    (Plus the Black-Ambushed black, white, latino, and asian police in NYC, DAL, Mizzou, St. Paul.

    Regarding the latter: Black protesters block I-94, a major hiway, instant safety problem. State officials order police to unblock it. White cop gets isolated, knocked down, is helpless on ground.

    Intelligent compassionate justice-minded black protester then grabs a big cement block and breaks cop”s spine. St. Paul BLM leaders piously deny that BLM protesters were involved at

    See, it’s not about me ignoring stuff. It’s about me being willing to publicly talk about some stuff that I KNOW the kneeler folks don’t wanna discuss.

  • Who is this “we?” If you look hard enough your will find both good and bad cops, honest and lying members of BLM, those who kneel with hate in their hearts and those who kneel with hope.

    The problem is in denigrating all because some have what you consider bad motives or actions.

  • Nationalism is a political, social, and economic system characterized by the promotion of the interests of a particular nation, especially with the aim of gaining and maintaining sovereignty (self-governance) over the homeland. The political ideology of nationalism holds that a nation should govern itself, free from outside interference and is linked to the concept of self-determination. Nationalism is further oriented towards developing and maintaining a single national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a shared and singular history. – Triandafyllidou, Anna (1998). “National Identity and the Other”. Ethnic and Racial Studies. 21 (4): 593–612. doi:10.1080/014198798329784; Smith, A.D. (1981). The Ethnic Revival in the Modern World. Cambridge University Press.

    The League of Nations endorsed nationalism so defined, and the United Nations carried it forward. After both WWI and WWII plebiscites were hold in various former colonies and territories so that peoples with a single national identity based on shared, social characteristics, such as culture and language, religion and politics, and a belief in a shared and singular history could form their own unified nations.

    Whether nationalism is seen as positive or negative depends entirely on context and individual perspective. It has driven independence movements such as the Greek Revolution, the Zionist movement that created modern Israel, and the Irish Revolution.

  • To allow for the courtesy of entertaining your position, I looked at the 2018 What makes these deaths different from what is protested is that criminal activity of some type was going on, line of duty deaths and see possibly just one incident in which the officer was targeted before anything else other then arriving on scene if a call. And while I sincerely regret the loss of the lives of these men and women, Not the same thing as shooting an unarmed black person or stopping a black person who is simply driving their car. And the data suggests there is a problem,

  • Gee, please do write the United Nations and tell it that “self-determination” and all the various mandates and agreements based on it are cut and paste BS.

    Another poster has already presented what the President actually has said, so that seems to be the end of it.

  • False or forced displays of patriotism or religion do not work in the long run. Good for these students to make a statement that displays a Christian origin.

  • While we should respect our government, much of the theology regarding the state was developed in Roman occupied Palestine/Israel and highlighted for nearly 2000 years because Christians were living under absolute monarchs and foreign rulers. Many of these monarchs and other rulers controlled the official church (Roman, Orthodox, Anglican, Lutheran, Calvinist, etc.) as an arm of state’s rule and had a vested interest in the success of the established government as it was. For minority churches, it was best to differ to the local government to avoid persecution.

    With the rise of secular governments and modern democracies, we have a right to express our opinion just as we have a right to peacefully vote out a government or petition the changing of policies or laws.

  • Because:

    (1) “Back in February 2016, while on the campaign trail, Trump … told his audience … ‘You will find out who really knocked down the World Trade Center. It wasn’t the Iraqis. You may find it’s the Saudis.'”

    And because:

    (2) “Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump said on CNN’s New Day that he wouldn’t be apologizing for blaming George W. Bush for the 9/11 attacks, saying he had ‘advanced notice’ that it was coming. ‘Look, his brother gets hit on, he’s a loyal person, he’s loyal to his brother,’ Trump said of fellow GOP contender Jeb Bush. ‘But his brother made some mistakes. His brother could have made a mistake with the actual hit. They did know it was coming. George Tenet, the head of the CIA, told them it was coming. So they did have advanced notice. … They said that our country was safe under Bush. Well, what about the World Trade Center coming down in the worst attack in history?'”

    Source: (1) Richard Miller, “9/11 truther doubts Trump”, Billings Gazette, September 9, 2017. (2) Alex Griswold, “Trump Defends 9/11 Comments: Bush ‘Did Know It Was Coming’”, Mediaite, October 20, 2015.

  • Reading Matthew 21, you will discover how to identify the false. By their fruits (actions ) you will know them.
    Just because someone claims to be a Christian Spuddie, it does not necessarily follow that they actually are.

  • Trolls, more trolling, and damned trolling. Started with the KKK and George Lincoln Rockwell (let’s pause while Parker looks that up). Followed by Proud Boys and other racist groups. Please send Parker to remedial trolling school.

  • Oh, you mean the democrat party that instituted slavery?
    The democrat party that founded the KKK?
    Ohhhh… gotcha

  • I’m just curious if those who kneel based on faith are also praying that the people being shot by the police will stop going for the police guns, and will stop trying to fight the police, and run from the police. I wonder if they’re praying that they stop committing crimes so that the police will stop chasing them.

  • On September 11, 2011 The Corbett Report YouTubed “everything you ever wanted to know about the 9/11 conspiracy theory in under 5 minutes.”

    “9/11: A Conspiracy Theory” has acquired “3,066,244 views” to date.

    Here’s the URL:

    Hi. My name is HpO. I am a 9/11 Truther.

  • What is amazing is how people are NOT 9-11 truthers. A 3rd grader could watch tower 7 collapsing at free fall speed and know ‘fire’ didn’t cause that.
    Question — what are your thoughts on Christopher Bollyn’s research?

  • Says it all & ’nuff said, this, about Christopher Bollyn (though, mind, he wrote for Global Research, of which I’m a reader):

    “Here’s what I know. Michael Goff did work as a Marketing Manager for Ptech from 1994 to 1996 [according to Linkedin]. Here’s what I do not know: how [Christopher] Bollyn knows that Goff was the secret mastermind or controller of the company, even five years after he had left it. I’m perfectly willing to entertain that Goff is/was nexused in to a host of Israeli Mossad-linked companies via his Goff Communications, but it seems to me that the fact the Bollyn seems to drop the word ‘marketing’ when describing Goff’s role at Ptech, the fact that he downplays the fact that Goff was gone by 1996, and the fact that he quotes the following which was allegedly formerly on Goff’s website: ‘As information Systems manager for Ptech, Michael handled design, deployment and management of its Windows and Macintosh, data, and voice networks, performed employee training and handled all procurement for software systems and peripherals.’ … and seems to imply that this means he wrote or provided the PTech software itself (rather than the software for their Windows/Mac/data/voice networks) seems like a stretch in order to justify his definitive conclusion: ‘It was an Israeli-run company designed to appear Muslim.’ I am not even adverse to this as an idea; it very well may be true, although [Indira] Singh indicates it was a CIA cutout. I just want to know the documentary evidence that Bollyn is using to make this conclusion as a definitive statement rather than a thesis.”

    Source: James Corbett’s reply to “Comments” on James Corbett, “Episode 308 – 9/11 Trillions: Follow The Money”, September 11, 2015.




  • Economics; not racism.
    Slavery has been part of mankind’s history from day one. FYI – black tribes captured and sold blacks into slavery.
    Native people also conspired against fellow native people to aid Europeans arriving in America.
    It comes down to greed, economics and self-interest.
    All that being said, you would think a multi-millionaire black athlete would be grateful with how history played out.

  • The democrat party of today is no less racist today than it was when Robert KKK Byrd ran the show. Blacks and Latinos are used by democrats to get into office; then are subjected to being slaves to the state by being on public assistance, living in public housing, receiving public healthcare and receiving a public “education”. No one has persecuted the black and Latino more than the democrat party. Since the 1960’s they have been slaves to the state with no end in sight. Shame.

  • Here’s my compassion for the common thug who takes two to the back while running away:
    Follow the instructions of the police officer. Simple.
    If you care about executions of people of color, where were you this summer when over FOUR HUNDERED blacks were MURDERED in Chicago? Most by other BLACKS!!
    YOU are the problem.
    When YOU care as much about those black victims as you do about the one thug that the cops shot; then I will care.

  • Cops are 18 times more likely to be killed by blacks than the other way around. They should be kneeling for the sacrifices cops and their families make every day to do that shitty job.