The last hurrah of white Christian America

Supporters celebrate as returns come in for Republican U.S. presidential nominee Donald Trump during an election night rally in Manhattan, on November 9, 2016. Photo coutesy of Reuters/Mike Segar *Editors: This photo may only be republished with RNS-LUPFER-OPED, originally transmitted on Nov. 14, 2016.

(RNS) How can we understand the role of religion in Republican Donald Trump’s victory?

One interpretation is that religion heavily influenced the outcome, as Trump won regular churchgoers in spite of his own unchristian rhetoric and actions. After struggling among white Catholics this summer, Trump won this key demographic 60 percent to 37 percent.

And despite strident warnings from a few courageous leaders about Trump’s moral unfitness for office, overwhelming support from white evangelicals handed President-elect Trump a resounding Electoral College victory.

According to exit polls, Trump matched or exceeded George W. Bush, John McCain, and Mitt Romney’s impressive vote totals from white Christians.

But that interpretation is flawed. The 2016 election was not primarily a religion story.

Americans voted largely along the lines of race, education, and party identification. Nonwhites strongly preferred Clinton, while whites decisively chose Trump. Compared with past Republicans, the businessman received a stunning surge of votes from non-college-educated white voters.

None of this is surprising.

And yet the result upends so much conventional wisdom. We were told the GOP had to broaden its outreach to nonwhites and support immigration reform. Robert P. Jones, CEO of Public Religion Research Institute, published a book this year called “The End of White Christian America.”

But with white Christians growing the GOP’s electoral base and turning out to ensure Trump’s election, it’s clear that white Christian America is not dead yet.

As Vanderbilt political scientist Larry Bartels explains, the Republican Party can thrive on white identity for a few more decades. Demographic change is happening, but it happens slowly over time.

Non-Hispanic whites will remain a majority in the U.S. for another 25 years, and a majority of the electorate for even longer.

As minorities grow in strength and success, whites are banding together in what writer Jonathan Chait calls an “indistinguishable stew of racial, religious, cultural, and nationalistic identity.”

Even as white America becomes less religious, Christianity remains an important cultural marker and reference point for whites — Protestants especially — who have seen their influence, prestige and prospects diminish over their lifetimes.

There remains a strong association of nostalgia, nationalism and a cultural attachment to religion.

Immigration, pluralism and secularism strengthen aggrieved whites’ cultural and religious identity, even if they no longer attend church.

What kind of religious beliefs and practices find expression in white Christian America?

For some, it is the revealed religion of the Bible, transmitted and reinforced in church and family life.

But for many others, belief persists long after Christian worship, sacraments and ethics are abandoned. Just as religious “nones” usually continue to hold some theological beliefs, most cultural Christians retain a nominal religious identity.

This is not, however, the same as authentic Christian faith and devotion. Some people simply stopped believing, but many more fell out of step with the church when they or their loved ones experienced hardship, violence, addiction, abuse, or family breakdown.

While there has been a documented collapse in churchgoing among working-class whites, a Christian identity remains. It is easily activated when figures like Donald Trump talk about “one people under one God saluting one American flag.”

This brand of faith merges elements of Christianity with nostalgia and a theologically vapid civil religion, ignoring or excusing Trump’s glaring deficiencies as a candidate and as a man.

It’s true that some white Christian leaders opposed Trump from start to finish, risking blowback and alienation from their own people but remaining faithful to the gospel of Jesus.

But white Christians overwhelmingly put their political faith in a new Republican president. Because Trump’s rhetoric and behavior was so blatantly unchristian, his disciples’ credibility as Jesus followers suffered.

Americans surely disagree about whether the majority faith over two American centuries was mostly for good or ill.

But while it is not yet dead, it seems certain that white Christian America will never be great again.

(Jacob Lupfer is a contributing editor at RNS and a doctoral candidate in political science at Georgetown University)

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  • Can anyone explain the turning of Jesus into a wh
    ite man? Or why the same Christian followers would vote with some supporters of white supremacy? Jesus doesn’t turn me off, it’s his so called followers that do!

  • What bothers me is the rather vapid notion that the US will somehow escape, or should escape the fate of every dominant world power of the past; that is, there is this fantasy that an upward progressive social evolution will deliver us “eventually” from the putative “primitive” and “backward” looking minions of a dying “cultural” Christianity, as well as the Christianity of sincere and dedicated believers who attempt to practice the precepts of their Savior. As the author points out, there is a distinction between the two. Past empires have collapsed as a function of the very same elements that are tending towards our own imminent collapse.

  • oversimplified dribble! worst pair of candidates ever! extremely close results. both parties were rejected. economic malaise of many in middle class. general voter disgust!

  • We can only hope that the progressives will wake up and become stronger, so that the pendulum will swing toward progressive thoughts and actions, not the regressive, backwardness of the coming administration.
    If we do not go forward, realizing that women have autonomy, as does every ethnic group that comprises this nation, we will sink into oblivion. The far right wing, that propelled Trump into being president-elect would like to see this nation revert to what it was in the 1950s, except for the high taxes paid by the wealthy.
    Oh, BTW, do not praise your president elect for eschewing his $400K salary, because by so doing, he does not have to release his taxes. He is just trying to save his own skin.

  • This article does not begin to square with the facts. There was nothing regular about this election. White votes ended up fairly evenly split between the two candidates. Trump largely closed the gender gap. Fully 29% of Latinos voted for Trump. There’s no accounting for Independent voters, who arguably won the election for Trump.

    I realize that doctoral students somehow need to be writing about religion and politics, and seeing this past election through those lenses, this the article is about white Christians. You can strip religion out of the equation totally, since voting Christians largely voted in the same proportions as others in their economic class. It’s hard to escape the fact that Donald Trump was elected because it was a change election and Hilliary represented more of Barak Obama’s failed leadership. That included his health care program, failed stewardship of the economy and failed policies abroad. Hilliary was the ultimate insider candidate in a year when the public wanted a change bad enough to overlook Donald Trump’s many shorgcomings as a candidate. The biggest surprise here was how bad the pollsters got it wrong!

  • I said after the second Obama election that I didn’t think we’d ever see another devout white, male, conservative take the big chair in the Oval Office in my lifetime. I’m still not certain I was wrong.

    Mr. Trump appears in all likelihood to be a populist apostate who, by virtue of hitching his wagon to a Christian VP, was able to flash Mr. Pence’s credulous credentials any time his own precarious piety might have been called into question.

    “…it seems certain that white Christian America will never be great again…” …if such a thing even ever existed in the first place…

  • I am glad that my godparents, a priest and a nun, are not around to see the white Catholic voter majority preferring the vulgar, unqualified, prevaricating disrespecter of women, who insulted Pope Francis on the climate change issue and whose running mate was an ex-Catholic turned Protestant fundamentalist, over a well qualified, rather centrist woman candidate, whose views on climate change are like those of Francis and scientists and whose running mate was a practicing Catholic. No wonder the Catholic church is in trouble. — Edd Doerr

  • During the struggle to reduce the level of my depression since the election, I’ve developed a fantasy that when Trump inhabits the White House, he may prove to be a Trojan Horse . . . but in a good way. There have already been a few very tiny hints pointing in that direction.

  • The author studies at Georgetown, meaning he has most likely bought—hook, line, and sinker, the post Vatican II–Jesuit nonsense re “social justice”, at the expense of Holy Church’s two thousand year magisterium. While Mr. Trump may have been the proverbial lesser of two evils, the Catholic principle of Double Effect clearly demonstrates that he was a markedly better selection than his openly/radically pro-infanticide, pro-sodomite marriage, and nearly marxist opponent.

  • “This brand of faith merges elements of Christianity with nostalgia and a theologically vapid civil religion.”

    I think this is the issue that is killing Christianity. It’s not lack of laws forcing Christianity on the population. It’s the subordination and distortion of the religion to meet the needs of political power and wealth.

  • Edward, you described 2 different religions: “dying “cultural” Christianity, as well as the Christianity of sincere and dedicated believers.”

    The sooner the former goes away, the better it will be for the latter and the country. I have no problem with “sincere and dedicated believers” such as you. From what I’ve seen, few commenters do either. It’s the”cultural” religion that’s creating the spillover for the rest of you. It’s easy to tell who they are because their arrogance, shaming, and insistence on being right and righteous draws multitudes of replies. For them is not really about sincere and dedicated believing. Sandy is a prime example. Even after being kindly urged to temper her witness for a more effective voice, she refused. There are others, but I can’t think of their names.

    It’s not fair that the faithful such as you and others I know are painted with the same broad brush. Cultural Christianity needs to go away, the sooner the better.

    (P.S. Add michael mchale to that list.)

  • I like your writing, especially the alliterative 2nd paragraph. Very nice.

    I like your point too and I don’t think you are wrong. The pres-elect is not a “devout white, male, conservative.”

  • Personally, I doubt he will last two years. I think that the party will not be able to control him, and when his financial and personal shenanigans get out f hand, they will impeach him.

  • You’re very kind. My name, compressed, with a dot-com at the end of it will bring you to my website, if you find yourself with time to kill.


  • “clearly demonstrates that he was a markedly better selection than his
    openly/radically pro-infanticide, pro-sodomite marriage, and nearly
    marxist opponent.”

    Thank you for demonstrating that religious conservatives are as cretinous as the person they helped elect. I like the fact that you have forgone any attempt to pretend to have moral conviction. Its all about looking for people to enable bigotry and control over others.

  • I did take a look at your website, which is very “logical.” ? When I have more time I’ll go back.

  • Last I checked , Georgetown was a {nominally} Catholic institution. The Catholic Church dogmatically teaches that abortion and sodomy are grave sins which cry to Heaven for vengeance. Thus, I am not quite certain as to what “moral convictions” you refer.

  • So you use religious belief to enable your cretinous bigotry. What else is new?

    Moral convictions does not equal following sectarian dogma. All it means is you outsource your moral thinking to other people in a lazy fashion.

  • Ah yes, Holy Church’s dogmatic teachings are merely “sectarian narcissism”. How nice. Why don’t you put down the thesaurus, and run along to the crying room with the rest of Hillary’s whinny/infantile sycophants.

  • As opposed to the rabidly pro infanticide, pro sodomite Marxist? I’m glad your godparents aren’t around to see your heresy.

  • That is entirely your opinion. One which not only do I not share, I never have to accept.

    “why don’t you put down the thesaurus”

    Do big words make you feel inadequate? 🙂

    Ignorant cretins elected a savvy cretin. Again, not surprised. Have fun pretending our president elect gives a damn about your agenda.

  • Truth is, inherently, objective and immutable. Our Lord founded the one, true Church–outside of which no one at all can be saved {Extra Eclessia Nulla Salus}-as the deposit of His teaching. Where She speaks definitively, all are bound to heed Her instruction. Truth, not “opinion”, sir. One rejects that truth at his peril.

  • Why do Marxists, leftist, and liberals insist on referring to themselves as “progressives”? Their ideology, philosophy, and pathology certainly do not effect “progress’.

  • Shorter michael mchale

    “I love Jesus. I love Jesus. If you don’t love Jesus the way I love Jesus, you are going to hell. Jesus hates the same people I do!”

    Get back to me when you are done preening.

  • The only way to “love” Jesus is to follow His commandment that all should be one within His Mystical Body, which is, of course, the Catholic Church. I’m going to guess that you are a schismatic as opposed to merely a post Conciliar modernist. But I could be wrong.

  • The majority of White Christians should have voted for Crooked Hillary who wants to flood The U.S with 10s of millions of Muslim immigrants and who believes Christian bakers should be put in prison if they don’t bake a cake for a Gay couple.

  • I said to get back to me when you are done preening. You clearly have more preening to do.

    You are welcomed to your belief that the Catholic Church is the sole moral and religious authority in the world. I am more than welcomed to laugh at your assertion.

    If you want to support people who enable widespread child abuse, support dictators, enable genocide, attack medical professional ethics, treat half of the world’s population like their chattel property, and funnel billions of dollars from the poor into fantastic wealth for its functionaries, so be it. Its not like you were demanding to be taken seriously anyway.

  • Yep! Thank you for demonstrating that understanding of facts was completely unnecessary for the support of the Cheeto-Skinned Weasel-haired Vulgarian.

  • Wow. So much anger and psychosis in one rant. I “got back” to you because one of the Corporal Works of Mercy is to instruct the ignorant. Obviously, I have a lot of work to do here.

  • What I said is 100 percent fact. Crooked Hillary wants to drastically increase the number of Muslim immigrants into The U.S because she knows they will vote in a monolithic bloc for The Democratic Party. Also Crooked Hillary is a staunch opponent of the religious freedom act which doesn’t legally force a Christian baker to bake a cake for a Gay couple if they don’t want to.

  • I am sure you believe that. I am 1000% positive you are just quoting exaggerated bullsh1t which is easily refuted by even the most cursory google search.

    Btw Christian vendors who want to discriminate in open commerce and their supporters can go eff themselves and the horses they rode in on. If you own a business open to the general public, and are so deranged by anti-gay bigotry that you can’t treat all customers the same way, you don’t belong in open commerce. Do your business within your little church group, word of mouth, membership club or some other form of closed commerce.

    Also Christian civil servants who want to deny people their rightful access to government services can go eff themselves too. They take an oath to serve the entire public. If they can’t do that, then resign.

  • “am sure you believe that. I am 1000% positive you are just quoting exaggerated bullsh1t “which is easily refuted by even the most cursory google search.”

    Than refute me. Prove to me that Crooked Hillary does not want to increase Muslim immigration and is not anti-religious freedom act.

  • LOL! Sorry if that little bit of harsh reality got in the way of your Catholic Euphoria. 🙂

    Nope. Beyond saving. Feel free to wish me luck in hell as the horrific heretic I am.

  • There were not even 10 million people living in Syria before its civil war. Let alone 10’s of millions of refugees from there. America has the best success in integrating refugees compared to any other nation. Why do you hate America so much?

    Your religious belief never gave you an opt out to anti discrimination laws. Religious racist bigots tried that argument in 1964 and lost. Anti gay bigots should expect no better.

  • There is never a right reason to do the wrong thing.. Hate of our fellows is still hate. Placing greed above principles is still Greed… Placing Fear above Faith is still Fear….

    Christianity used to promotion of acceptance, faith and our fellows..
    Today it is promotion of Greed, Hate and Fear….

  • I don’t think your godparents would prefer a lying, deceitful woman who used her office as SOS to enrich the wealth of herself and her husband.

    I also think that your godparents would be aghast at the thought of you voting for a person who believes in killing babies before they are born.

    From what I’ve read about Kaine he doesn’t really sound like a RC. Liberation theology is not real. He easily changed his belief about abortion to run with Hillary Clinton — no character — no beliefs.

  • There were not even 10 million people living in Syria before its civil war. Let alone 10’s of millions of refugees from there. America has the best success in integrating refugees compared to any other nation. Why do you hate America so much?”

    Crooked Hillary is a huge pro-open borders shill.

    She and the entire Democratic Party favor mass immigration from Muslim countries and other 3rd world countries to make White Christians a minority in The U.S because The Democratic Party has an extreme hatred of White Christians.

    Why should most White Christians vote for a party that looks down their nose on White Christians in flyover country and are actively rooting for their demographic demise.

    If The Democratic Party are the friends of White Christians, who needs enemies.

    “America has the best success in integrating refugees compared to any other nation. Why do you hate America so much?”

    Yeah Muslims like Omar Mateen and the Tsarnaev brothers were as American as Apple pie. They were the epitome textbook example of extremely successful assimilation.

  • Way to exaggerate. Washington Times is up there with the New York Post as blatant partisan mouthpiece. Demonizing George Soros is paranoid old hat these days. What you have is an op ed piece not anything resembling statements of facts.

    The rest of your rant is just bigoted nativist arglebargle. Let me guess, you usually post on Breitbart. I am not even going to pretend it is worth taking seriously. People like you have a much longer history of committing acts of terrorism against American citizens than Muslims. White Racist Nativist Bigots have been systematically terrorizing and murdering people for quite a longer time. I guess you guys don’t like the competition.

  • Whatever her faults, Hillary would still be far better for the US than the misanthropic, nontaxpaying, employee stiffing, arrogant, women disrespecting,religious liberty opposing Trump. She does not support “killing babies” but does respect women’s rights of conscience. And Kaine is a lifelong practicing Catholic.

  • The “Holy Church’s dogmatic teachings” are of no interest at all to anyone who isn’t a member of said church. The rest of us don’t care!

  • Trump received as many votes as McCain or Romney when they lost to Obama. Clinton lost because 6 million people who turned out to vote for Obama in 2012 did not vote for president at all. It has very little at all to do with Christians or last hurrahs.

  • So let me get this straight. (And as a proud Sodomite, it ain’t easy.) Clinton is simultaneously a tool of Wall Street and the big banks AND a Marxist devoted to overthrowing capitaiism?Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

  • Thank you for your kind remarks. I don’t quite see Sandy the same way that you do. She is certainly uncompromising in tone, but I don’t sense a spirit of vituperation on her part. I don’t think she has a hateful bone in her body, but like some of her philosophical opponents she is not prepared to give ground on her basic beliefs. Sandy and I generally agree on most spiritual questions, but I’ve changed my strategy by couching my language in the framework of civil disagreement (most of the time… sometimes my buttons get pushed and I let intemperance get the better of me, but I’m not too proud to seek forgiveness, or offer an apology). On the other hand, there is a gentleman who goes by the nom de plume’ of “Bill” who is much more self righteous and judgmental than Sandy. I also generally agree with him doctrinally, but when and where I differ, he often charges me with being an apostate, primarily because I don’t denigrate forcefully those with whom I disagree spiritually. Spuddie and I agree about 10% of the time, but he has upvoted me on a number of occasions which I appreciate. I’ve decided that if I get plastered by those from the farthest reaches of either side, maybe I’m right where I should be.

  • The current Pope is associating with extreme liberal Lutherans who ordain women, don’t believe in the real presence, and have full Altar and pulpit fellowship with denominations who have no Christian doctrine at all.

  • I really don’t understand why this isn’t being pounded on. This wasn’t a “change” election or a “last hurrah” it was a typical base election where 6-10 million Democratic voters stayed home. The issue at hand is “who” were these voters. Were these Bernie Bros or minority voters. I rather suspect, given the county by county decreases were predominately in rural areas and not urban, that the majority were Bernie supporters.

  • I can’t see how a private individuals views on the existence of Christ (one way or the other) would violate the 1st Amendment. Bill Maher is not a representative of the State and is not excerting state power in regards to religious freedom.

  • “Women’s right of conscience”? What relativistic nonsense. What if my “conscience” told me it was kosher to own slaves, rob the local 7-11, or peddle heroin by the kilo. Kaine is a heretic.

  • Re rights of conscience: Mike, tell that to the 1/3 of US women who at some point in their lives will have an abortion. And tell that to the 57 MILLION women who have abortions each year. The overwhelming majority of Americans favor women’s freedom of conscience on abortion. As a male you can’t get pregnant, so why don’t you just butt out of women’s lives.

    Re Tim Kaine: who are you to judge him? And the Bible says, “Judge not lest ye be judged.”

    There are some universal ethical values. like NO on slavery or child abuse. There is no ethical consensus opposing abortion.

  • Can anyone explain the turning of Jesus into a white man?
    Turning him from what? What race do you believe Jesus to have been?

  • “Rights of Conscience” presumes a well formed conscience. Any conscience which concludes infanticide is anything less than an unspeakable crime, and a sin which cries to Heaven for vengeance, is not well formed. As St. Thomas teaches, man can objectively judge the conduct of another. The scripture passage on which you attempt to hang your hat refers to the ultimate judgement, i.e., damnation or salvation.

  • Mainly it is the liberal Protestant former mainline sects that are collapsing. Liberal Catholic diocese like NYC ,Chicago ,Canada and Belgium are closing down as are Congregational, evangelist Lutheran and Anglicans Episcopal churches. …….. As Al Smith dinner liberal Dolan of RC NYC ,cupich Chicago and liberal Protestant sects find out the hard way when you abandon Catholic and or Christian morality sexual and otherwise Catholics and other Christian will abandon you in Droves.

  • Trump will at least apply some of that GREED on behald of the “forgotten ones” that the Obama economy has failed over these past 8 years. Obama’s policies have been a disaster for even the black population, whose food stamp and unemployment numbers have gone up a lot under him. Yet a large majority of the black people who voted, did so to continue Obama’s policies with Hilliary Clinton. Talk about misplaced faith from not even understanding where one’s economic interests lie!

  • You didn’t just say that she’s opposed to that act. You said she believes Christian bakers should be imprisoned for refusing to bake for same-sex couples. Where did she say this?

  • “Threats”? No, just truth. Its not about your cumbaya concept of “love”, but justice. Those who love God obey his laws.

  • I don’t have a kumbaya concept of love, I just find it amusing when someone says Jesus loves you so much that if you don’t believe in him, he’ll roast your balls forever. That’s justice?

  • Lark’s Law: Sooner or later a Christian who is getting flustered will threaten someone with eternal damnation for disgreeing with them.

  • So have you started slaying the unbelievers in your town, as Deuteronomy, and hence Jesus commands?

  • As best I can recall, our Lord did not assume His human nature until sometime well past the Mosaic era.

  • Not according to Sandi Luckins, who posts regularly here. Father son and Holy Spirit coeternal in time, or something or other.

    You should probably take it up with other christians, not with me. I’m an atheist.

    In the beginnning was the word…and the word was etc etc etc.

  • Abortion is NOT infanticide. Pre-28 week fetuses are NOT persons. You quote Aquinas, but Aquinas did not believe that early fetuses are persons. As a male, you have no business imposing your theology on all women.

  • Says ‘Spuddie” with the Godzilla face. I hope you don’t get some of that spuddie running down your leg as when reading your posts.

  • I wrote His “human nature”, i.e. circa the year 1. Moreover, perhaps you think Luckins trumps Aquinas, Augustine, and Bellarmine? Please.

  • The Church has ALWAYS taught that infanticide is intrinsically evil, from the moment of conception.

  • Wrong. Neither Aquinas nor Augustine, the two top Catholic theologians, taught that personhood begins at conception.

  • Still not a refutation. Its as if you think its appropriate but you just don’t want to hear it.

    Much like the stupidity of the “you are playing the race/bigot card” argument. Because it is “played” because it is a perfectly appropriate description of the person involved. Calling attention to the label does not mean it is not accurate or truthful.

    A better argument would be to say why such labels are somehow incorrect. Otherwise it just means you are thin skinned.

  • Pro-Life vs. Pro-Abortion…how can you disregard that and mention climate change twice as some sort of religous tenant?

  • Have you ever known of a Marxist leader who DIDN’T live better than the people beneath him? Do you think Stalin stood in line for vodka or that Castro ever have to walk anywhere? Why is North Korea’s leader chubby when everybody else in his country malnourished?

  • That’s not what the majority of legal American voters thought.

    (and just to preempt the argument, Here’s the math: legal American voters= Those who voted – (Illegal immigrant voters + 60,000 Virginia felons + fraudulent voters + dead voters)

    So, I concede that Trump lost the popular vote, but he no doubt won the legal vote.

  • Christians aren’t supposed to judge the hearts of men, but they certainly are instructed to judge right from wrong: “The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.” (1 Corinthians 2:15)

  • At one time, black people were not persons, but property and 3/5 of a vote. There is no scientific validity in claiming that unborn children are anything else but unborn children.
    Oh, and slightly more than half of aborted babies are women who suffer from another’s theology that their life is a choice.

  • OK, but people obviously do not agree on many issues, such as abortion. Therefore that issue is best left to each woman’s own conscience. Big Brother government should not be dictating to women on this.

  • Ephesians 5:11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

    One can’t do the above without judging “fruitless deeds of darkness” as being such, wouldn’t you agree?

    Again, Christians are commanded not to judge others, but also commanded to judge behaviors and actions, embrace righteousness and shun evil.

  • The 3/5 rule in the original constitution was a compromise necessary to start the US as a unified country. It was of course wrong and immoral. As for abortion rights, abortion was quite legal throughout the US during the lifetimes of our Founders. Abortion was outlawed in the 19th century because the elites feared that middle class women would by terminating pregnancies decline in numbers compared to poor and immigrant women. religion had nothing to do with it. Dragging religion into the matter was devised after Roe v Wade was done to hamper the women’s rights movement.

  • That is a metaphor that says nothing about when personhood brgins. Gen 1:27 and 2:7, however, point t the first breath.

  • Climate change is a science issue and is real. Ethics, religious or secular, require that we do something about it. Abortion is a matter of health and welfare best decided by each individual woman for herself, and religious opinion on the matter is quite diverse. I know because I spent 30 years on the board of the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice with a wide spectrum of Catholics, Protestants and Jews.

  • To put it easier for you. 1) God is allowed to Judge
    2) Christians are told to judge – but to judge righteously – in other words, according to God’s standard.

  • I see that unborn baby as…an unborn baby…a human being. Should the life of a victim be best left to the conscience of one who is committing a crime, and leave “Big Brother” (the police) out of it?

    If one thinks an unborn baby is not a human being, then the above analogy doesn’t fit. I realize that. I also know that a criminal who kills a pregnant woman often faces two counts of murder, so what are we to think?

  • Of course it is…same with Isaiah 49:5, I am sure…Also Luke 1:41, Job 31:15, and on and on and on, because some atheist went through the Bible using a word search and cherry picks what they think will help them in arguing about a God in which they do not believe.

  • Read what I wrote. I did not address the issue of personhood. I merely reiterated the Church’s 2000 year teaching on abortion, i.e., that it is NEVER permissible.

  • Actually, the strictures against abortion in Western civilization go back to 400 B.C., with the Hippocratic Oath:

    “I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art.”

  • As a traditionalist, I prefer 1950s Godzilla. Either way, he had it all over Mothra and Rhodan {sic}.

  • As a general philosophical proposition, the burden of proof rests with he who makes the allegation. But, like most leftists, you are probably of the relativist Kant/Hegel mold, so why let a little thing like objectivity get in the way of a good rant. BTW, does being pro-life render one a “bigot”?

  • …and the Attorney General in Texas isn’t investigating Tarrant County, stolen ballots weren’t cast in Florida, and Jerry Mosna didn’t find 83 ballots dumped off for his infirm 89 year old neighbor…each with a different name but the same address.

  • So what? Have you ever known of a right-wing demagogue who didn’t claim to have the interests of the Little Man at heart? Do you think Trump goes to WalMart? Or do you think that in four years we’re all going to be sitting on gilded toilet seats to take a shit? Which beggars the question: how can Clinton both be a champion of Wall Street AND a Marxist dedicated to overthrowing Wall Street? Do you think before you write? And do you even know what Marx wrote? And, by the way, I’m betting that Castro lived less extravagantly compared to his supporters than Cheeto Jesus does.

  • Hey, I find the term Cheetos Jesus offensive. The correct term for our beloved spray tan leader is Carrot-Christ. A.K.A. Orange you glad he isn’t Hillary.

  • The Lord Jesus Christ is a descendant of Adam, via his lineage through his mother, the blessed Virgin Mary. Adam and Eve’s descendants are depicted as White in Revelation 1:14, 1 Samuel 16:12, 1 Samuel 17:42, Lamentations 4:7.

    KING DAVID is described as “RUDDY” in 1 Samuel 16:12, and 1 Samuel 17:42. The Lord Jesus Christ is a descendant of King David.
    Ruddy: adjective. (of a person’s face) having a healthy red colour: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ruddy

    ISRAELITES are described as “WHITE” and “RUDDY” in Song of Solomon 5:10 “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.” In Revelation 1:14, JESUS CHRIST is described as having a HEAD that is “WHITE AS SNOW” (Head includes face), in Lamentations 4:7, Nazarites are described as being “purer than snow, WHITER THAN MILK,” (Nazarites = ISRAELITES, Numbers 6:2)

  • Adam and Eve’s descendants are depicted as White in Revelation 1:14, 1 Samuel 17:42, 1 Samuel 17:42, Lamentations 4:7. The Lord Jesus Christ is a descendant of Adam, via his lineage through his mother, the blessed Virgin Mary.

    Strong’s Exhaustive Bible Concordance definition of ADAM is to: “SHOW BLOOD (in the FACE), i.e. FLUSH or TURN ROSY — be (dyed, made) red (RUDDY).” See http://www.kingjamesbibledictionary.com/StrongsNo/H119/dyed%20red

    “Showing blood in the face, Ruddy, Flushing, turning Rosy,” — Are physical attributes used to describe White people, [a Negro does not “turn rosy]. Hence Adam’s description matches that of a white male. God made Eve from Adam’s rib, [Genesis 2:22], so Eve is White. Adam and Eve’s descendants share their parents appearance, and are therefore white as well, starting with their son SETH, and continuing down the line to NOAH, who was “perfect in his generations” [Genesis 6:9] and Noah’s sons Shem, Ham, and Japheth, who repopulated the earth after Noah’s flood [Genesis 9:1] with the Adamic race, which the bible is dedicated to, per Genesis 5:1This is the BOOK of the GENERATIONS OF ADAM. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;”

  • I’m sorry, all physical evidence points to the story of Adam and Eve being and allegorical lesson in morality, not a literal history of the world.

  • Part of the decline in devotion is surely due to the efforts to suppress Christianity by the State. And this, in turn, is related to a misunderstanding about our Founders and God. I wrote about how early American statesmen were very much for the active involvement of a Christian church in government affairs. Read and plz subscribe. I am a veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan and a freelance writer that needs your support.


  • Still has over 1 billion globally, a 50 percent rise since the 1970s.

    Why aren’t your Unitarians picking up lapsed Catholics, ex-evangelicals, and ex-Mormons?

  • Oh dear, more historical illiteracy. Hint: guess who helped finance the Russian revolution – that’s right, Wall Street. And what billionaire capitalist is spending millions to destroy America and establish a global socialist utopia? (Soros.) The old story about the Soviet politburo official visiting the US goes like this. He was asked his political analysis of American social classes. He replied “The lowest class are Democrats. The middle class are Republicans. And the upper crust all all Communist.” Once you become rich enough, ruling people is the only thrill left, so you espouse a philosophy that crushes 99% of people and empowers wealthy and politically connected masterminds who constantly promise utopia over the next hill, but deliver Hell in the here and now. This is as old as Plato’s Republic. The miracle of America is that, for the first time in human history, the average guy had a chance to become financially comfortable and have the masterminds get the hell out of his face.

  • I don’t think Trump will ever be responsible for the death of over 100 million, as Marx is (indirectly, of course).

  • Christ was a Jew; Jews are Semites; Semites are a subgroup of Caucasians. Of course, then, as everyone with a modicum of sense knows, Christ is White— Semitic Caucasian, to be precise. Only crazy historical revision on the part of Black supremacists and other dupes has argued otherwise. Yes, He is White, but the important thing is that He is the Saviour of all peoples, regardless of race.

  • Probably because the alternative was a corrupt shill who believed child-killing was morally okay (she stated she believed both that a foetus is a child and it can be terminated) publically supported the normalisation of grave offenses against Christian morality and general social order, played loosey-goosey with classified information, received massive political bribery money from foreign governments and pay-to-play money from numerous donor corporations, and publically stated she wished for the abolition of certain Christian teachings.

  • Christ was a Galilean from the Tribe of Judah. The word ‘Jew’ and ‘Israelite’ are not necessarily synonymous. .

    Do a study on “Jesus was not a Jew” for a more precise explanation.

    As far as Christ being the savior of all peoples, how do you explain/interpret passages such as — “I only came for the lost sheep of the house of Israel”? As one example.

    James, in his epistle, addresses his letter to only the 12 Tribes of Israel.

    Jeremiah describes the New Covenant as being with the House of Judah and the House of Israel –“Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them


    How do you explain that?

  • Judea’s demographic makeup around the time of the Lord Jesus Christ was primarily comprised of Edomite converts to Judaism, this was caused by Hasmonean Leader Johanan Hycarnus’ forcibly converting Edom to Judaism in 130 BC and the absorption of these Edomite converts to Judaism into Judean society, as recorded by historian Flavius Josephus in “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13: Chapter 9, Section1. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0146%3Abook%3D13%3Awhiston+chapter%3D9%3Awhiston+section%3D1

    Hyrcanus took also Dora, and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befel them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

    In Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9, Apostle John speaks of imposters who “say they are Jews, and are not” labelling them the “synagogue of Satan.”

  • Jesus Christ has NO racial relation to the people known today as Jews. The Lord Jesus Christ was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah via his mother the Blessed Virgin Mary. Modern Jewry is largely descended from Edomites who were forcibly converted to Judaism in 130BC, by Johanan Hycarnus as explained in my earlier posts above.

    Even prior to the forced conversion of the Edomites to Judaism by Hasmonean leader Johanan Hycarnus, the Kingdom of Judea was already a shadow of its former self, with only a tiny remnant of the Israelites still inhabiting it, as most had been deported by Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar II starting with the deportation of 10,000 Israelites in 597BC, (2 Kings 24:14) followed by the deportation of a sizeable portion of Judea’s population in 587BC, (2 Chronicles 36:20, 2 Kings 25:11-12, Jeremiah 39:9-10) with ONLY 42,360 of these Israelites ever returning to Jerusalem & Judea (Ezra 2:64-65). This small remnant of Israelites in Judea, was subsequently submerged by Edomite converts to Judaism, following Johanan Hycarnus’ forced conversion of Edom/Idumea to Judaism in 130BC, See: Historian Flavius Josephus’ “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13, Chapter 9, Section 1). http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0146%3Abook%3D13%3Awhiston+chapter%3D9%3Awhiston+section%3D1
    The Greek geographer, philosopher, and historian Strabo further testifies to the colonisation of Judea by Edomite converts to Judaism in Geography [Bk 16.2.34]. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0239%3Abook%3D16%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D34

  • The Lord Jesus Christ has NO racial relation to the people known today as Jews. The Lord Jesus Christ was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah via his mother the Blessed Virgin Mary. Modern Jewry descends primarily from Edomites who were forcibly converted to Judaism in 130BC, NOT from the Biblical 12 Tribes of Israel.

    The Edomites were conquered by John Hycarnus who forcibly converted them to Judaism, and from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod being one of their descendants.” See [The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia, New Revised Edition, 1966]

    Romans 9:13 “As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.Genesis 36:9 “And these are the generations of Esau the father of the Edomites in mount Seir:”

    The prophet Obadiah foretells the extermination of Esau’s Edomite offspring, [which “Modern Jewry” descends from] in Obadiah 1:9, and Obadiah 1:18

    ♦ “Strictly speaking it is incorrect to call an Ancient Israelite a Jew or to call a contemporary Jew an Israelite or a Hebrew.” (pg 3 of the 1980 Jewish Almanac).

    “Jews began to call themselves Hebrews and Israelites in 1860″
    — (Encyclopedia Judaica 1971 Vol 10:23)

  • Deuteronomy 30:6 “And the Lord thy God WILL CIRCUMCISE THINE HEART, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.”

    The NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and the house of Judah, described in Jeremiah 31:31-33 fulfils the promise made by the Lord God to the Israelites in Deuteronomy 30:6.

    Jeremiah 31:31-33 “Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord: 33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, AND WRITE IT IN THEIR HEARTS; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    Zacharias, father of John the Baptist, states in Luke 1:68-73 that the Lord God of Israel, sent Jesus Christ, (referred to by Prophet Zacharias as a, “horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David,”) to REDEEM HIS PEOPLE, [aligns with Matthew 15:24] and “REMEMBER HIS HOLY COVENANT.” Matthew 15:24 “But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

  • In your opinion, and knowledge, what would be the bible verses underpinning Christian universalism? One verse that is often used to support universalism is Acts 17:26 “And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

    However, scripture is better understood within the context of other scripture, hence by viewing Acts 17:26 through the filter provided at Deuteronomy 32:8-9 — (most Bible cross-references relate these two verses) — we see that “hath made of one blood all nations of men” in Acts 17:26, refers exclusively to the 12 Tribes of Israel. See bible cross reference @ following link.

    Deuteronomy 32:8-9 “When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel. 9 For the Lord’s portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.”

  • What’s wrong buddy, triggered by the description of your Lord and Savior? Or are you Guilty that you persecuted Brothers and Sisters in the name of Christ?

  • Let’s examine what the scripture tells us about the physical appearance of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Ancient Israelites of the bible. KING DAVID is described as “RUDDY” in 1 Samuel 16:12, and 1 Samuel 17:42. The Lord Jesus Christ is a descendant of King David. Ruddy: adjective. (of a person’s face) having a healthy red colour: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ruddy

    ISRAELITES are described as “WHITE” and “RUDDY” in Song of Solomon 5:10 “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.” In Revelation 1:14, JESUS CHRIST is described as having a HEAD that is “WHITE AS SNOW” (Head includes face), in Lamentations 4:7, Nazarites are described as being “purer than snow, WHITER THAN MILK,” (Nazarites = ISRAELITES, Numbers 6:2).

    The alleged eyewitness account of the Lord Jesus Christ, supposedly given by Roman Consul Publius Lentulus, known as the “Letter of Lentulus” describes Jesus Christ’s face as being a comely red his eyes gray, clear and quick.” https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/images/c/cf/Anon-Publius_Lentulus.jpg

    The description of Jesus Christ given in the “Letter of Lentulus,” bears more similarities to a painting of Jesus Christ by Dylann Roof (linked below) published in a New York Daily News article by Shaun King, than it does to recent politicized attempts to portray Jesus Christ as being a brown skinned anarchist, which is literally how Jesus Christ is described in the Patheos article entitled “Jesus didn’t get crucified for writing a strongly worded letter to the Sanhedrin.” http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2939036.1483806832!/img/httpImage/image.jpg

  • http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/ancient-cultures/ancient-israel/the-only-ancient-jewish-hair-ever-found/
    The linked article entitled, “The Only Ancient Jewish Male Hair Ever Found,” discusses DNA tests conducted on ancient Israelite skeletons, dated to the 1st century BC, found in stone ossuaries next to the tomb of Annas, the high priest, father in law of Caiaphas, the high priest who betrayed Jesus Christ to the Romans. Hence it is thought that this shrouded man was either a priest or a member of the aristocracy.

    One of the more fascinating finds in this tomb, was the preservation of a sample of Jewish male hair. The length of the hair was medium to short, averaging 3-4 inches. The color was REDDISH.

    Red hair is most commonly found among people of white European heritage, it’s rare for non-whites to have red hair.

  • The reality is that the ethnicities/races inhabiting North Africa and the Middle East today, are not the same ethnicities/races that inhabited North Africa, Palestine, around the time of Jesus Christ, the days of Moses, etc.
    Up to 70 percent of British men and 50% of Western European men belong to the genetic profile group known as haplogroup R1b1a2, which Egyptian Pharaoh Tutankhamun, belonged to according to geneticists at Zurich-based DNA genealogy centre, iGENEA. Among modern-day Egyptians this haplogroup contingent (R1b1a2) is below 1 percent.

    Scientists who managed to obtain full genome sequences of Ancient Egyptians for the first time have concluded the people of the pharaohs were more closely related to modern Europeans and inhabitants of the Near East rather than present-day Egyptians.

  • Inscriptions found on the BLACK OBELISK, ASSYRIAN CUNEIFORM TABLETS and BEHISTUN ROCK, strongly support the argument that today’s White “Aryan” European people are the descendants of the “Lost” Tribes of Israel.

    Matthew 15:24 “But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” ♦ “MIGRATIONS OF ISRAEL” BY RAYMOND CAPT M.A, A.I.A. (The Archaeological Institute of America) http://www.keithhunt.com/Solomontemple8.html

    For a more in depth understanding, I recommend reading, “Missing Links Discovered in Assyrian Tablets,” written by the biblical archaeologist, Professor E. Raymond CAPT, it can be purchased on Amazon, or you can read it free at this link. http://www.keithhunt.com/Arch1.html

    What happened to the 12 Tribes of Israel? ~ Professor E. Raymond CAPT. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33DC4UatExo

  • You know the Bible’s been translated dozens of times and picked apart and put back together over the last couple of milennia right? And really? Referencing a Racist Psychopath who KILLED innocent men and women in The House of God just because they were black? Guess your just as hell bound as I am aren’t you Big Mouth