This photo released by Egypt's Presidency shows Abdel-Fattah El-Sissi, center, meeting with officials in Cairo after militants attacked a crowded mosque during Friday prayers in the Sinai Peninsula. The attackers set off explosives, spraying worshippers with gunfire and killing at least 200 people in the deadliest ever attack on Egyptian civilians by Islamic extremists. (Egyptian Presidency via AP)

Egypt: Militants kill at least 235 in attack on Sinai mosque

EL-ARISH, Egypt (AP) — Militants attacked a crowded mosque during Friday (Nov. 24) prayers in the Sinai Peninsula, setting off explosives, spraying worshippers with gunfire and killing at least 235 people in the deadliest ever attack by Islamic extremists in Egypt.

The attack targeted a mosque frequented by Sufis, members of Islam's mystical movement, in the north Sinai town of Bir al-Abd. Islamic militants, including the local affiliate of the Islamic State group, consider Sufis heretics because of their less literal interpretations of the faith.

The startling bloodshed, which also wounded at least 109, was the latest sign of how more than three years of fighting in Sinai has been unable to crush an insurgency waged by the IS affiliate. Seeking to spread the violence, the militants the past year have carried out deadly bombings on churches in the capital, Cairo, and other cities, killing dozens of Christians. The affiliate also is believed to have been behind the 2016 downing of a Russian passenger jet that killed 226 people.

But this was the first major militant attack on a Muslim mosque, and it eclipsed any past attacks of its kind, even dating back to a previous Islamic militant insurgency in the 1990s.

The militants opened fire from four off-road vehicles on the hundreds of worshippers attending the sermon in the mosque. They also blocked off escape routes from the area by blowing up cars and leaving the burning wrecks blocking the roads, three police officers on the scene said, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to talk to the press.

Dozens of bloodied bodies wrapped up in sheets were laid across the mosque floor, according to images circulating on social media. Relatives queuing up outside the hospital as ambulances raced back and forth. The state news agency MENA put the death toll at 235.

Resident Ashraf el-Hefny said many of the victims were workers at a nearby salt factory who had come for Friday services at the mosque.
"Local people brought the wounded to hospital on their own cars and trucks," he said by telephone.

No one immediately claimed responsibility for the attack. But IS has targeted Sufis several times in the area in the past, notably beheading a leading Sufi religious figure, the blind sheikh Suleiman Abu Heraz, last year and posting photos of the killing online.
Egypt's presidency declared a three-day mourning period, as President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi convened a high-level meeting of security officials.

In a statement afterward, el-Sissi said the attack "will not go unpunished" and that Egypt will persevere with its war on terrorism.

The suffering of the victims was not in vain, he added, and will only "add to our insistence" to combat extremists. Addressing the nation later on television, he repeated his view that Egypt fighting a battle against militancy on behalf of the rest of the world.
Cairo's international airport boosted security following the attack, with more forces patrolling passenger halls, conducting searches and manning checkpoints at airport approaches.

State condolences poured in for Egypt, including messages from Israel, the United Arab Emirates, the U.S., Russia, France and Britain condemning the violence.

President Donald Trump denounced what he called a "horrible and cowardly terrorist attack on innocent and defenseless worshippers in Egypt."

"The world cannot tolerate terrorism" he said on Twitter, "we must defeat them militarily and discredit the extremist ideology that forms the basis of their existence!"
Islamic militants stepped up their campaign of violence in northern Sinai after the military ousted the Muslim Brotherhood from power in 2013.

The result has been a long, grinding conflict centered on el-Arish and nearby villages and desert mountains. The militants have been unable to control territory, but the military and security forces have also been unable to bring security, as the extremists continuously carry out attacks.

Largely the attacks have focused on military and police, killing hundreds, although exact numbers are unclear as journalists and independent investigators are banned from the area. But the militants have also assassinated individuals the group considers spies for the government or religious heretics.

Egypt has also faced attacks by militants in its Western Desert, including an attack last month that killed 16 police, according to an official tally issued by the Interior Ministry. Security officials have told journalists that dozens more, including high-ranking counterterrorism officers, perished in the Oct. 20 attack some 135 kilometers (84 miles) southwest of the capital, Cairo.
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Rohan reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Samy Magdy in Cairo contributed to this report.

Comments

  1. How devastating for all this loss of innocent life. My prayers are with Egyptians and the families and friends of those killed and injured. I am thankful that Al-Sisi is president and Morsi is no longer in power and will expect a full response against the perpetrators.

  2. Lord Jesus, bless the families and friends of the victims. Help the survivors and use this to draw them to your love and reality.

  3. And only you could take an attack on innocent people as an opportunity for proselytizing.

  4. Those poor people.

    Sufi is one of the few branches of Islam that is not militant. Of course they are targets for those for whom religion is just another club.

  5. Are the audio and telepathy on his smartphone broken so He can only get texts?

    I did not even realize Lord Jesus reads the comments on the Religion News Service.

  6. Sometimes, that’s what it takes for people to understand they need Jesus.

  7. “Christ is omniscent”

    Never smelled Him, myself, but I’ll take your word for it.

    Perhaps you’d be interested in some words of Christ:

    Matthew 6:5-8
    King James Version (KJV)

    5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

    6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

  8. Christians don’t do that so much any more. It is rightfully seen as déclassé.

  9. Since Christ prayed in public, perhaps you are misunderstanding what He was teaching. The clue is “hypocrites”

  10. “The clue is “hypocrites””

    I think He was being less subtle than that. The operative word is “thou.”

  11. And as usual, you missed my point entirely.

    At least, you’re batting 1.000.

  12. no. Read where He was when making the statement, and you’ll have your answer

  13. He was on a mountain, surrounded by His disciples.

    It fascinates me how Republican christians think Christ’s teachings apply to everybody but themselves.

  14. Here, I’ll help you:
    Matthew 6: 5“And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites. For they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by others. Truly, I say to you, they have received their reward. 6But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you.

    7“And when you pray, do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do, for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him.

  15. To add:
    Coptic News: 
”Since Christianity came to Egypt in 57 A.D., we, the Christians of Egypt, have not had conflict with the Jewish people. Copts have been a marginal population held in captivity for sixteen centuries. We constitute the largest non-Arab, non-Moslem minority in the Middle East. The Church of Alexandria, is one of the oldest organizations in the Middle East. Despite this distinguished history, it is a church that has been under siege since the Islamic invasion.”

    Bahai institutions and community activities have been illegal under Egyptian law since 1960. All Bahai community properties, including Bahai centers, libraries, and cemeteries, have been confiscated by the government and fatwas have been issued charging Bahai’s with apostasy.

    Assyrian International News Agency– Over 100 Churches have been attacked in Egypt after the coup in 2013, and said to have been done by [supporters] of the Muslim Brotherhood.

  16. If His example was to pray to His Father, why don’t you pray to His Father too?

  17. One way or the other, it is still God being prayed to. Why do you want to knit pick

  18. In the example of how Christ’s disciples should pray, you were claiming immunity from Christ’s teachings, suggesting Christ didn’t follow them so you didn’t have to either.

    The point I will now make is that Christ saying a prayer is a special case. In those circumstances He prayed in public, He explained He was showing us how to pray.

    If you simultaneously claim to follow Christ’s teachings and to be exempt from His teachings, then you are indistinguishable from the hypocrites of whom He spoke.

  19. And yet so many hypocrites are clueless.

    And mirrorless!

  20. We in the US have a much high rate of street murders, mostly so-called Christian on Christian, but admittedly, not in the name of Jesus. Islamic terrorists are very honest about committing acts of terrorism in the name of Islam, often hollering “God is Great” during the deed. Being brought up in the Catholic faith, it did not slow down the Nazis in WWII.

    From reading Hitler’s bio, his parents, Catholics, ran the house in authoritarian manner, he was doing well in Catholic/monastery school, which is very authoritarian, then starting studying Pan-Germanism, another authoritarian idea.

    The Vatican has apologized to Jews on behalf of the entire Roman Catholic community, for failing to speak out against the Nazi holocaust during World War Two.

  21. Qui Bono?

    “Mohammed Ali said 18 members of his extended family were killed. He added: ‘Where was the army? (They are) only a few kilometres away. This is the question we cannot find an answer to.'”

    And so it repeats. Humanity being assassinated. Humanity being massacred. But Qui Bono? my brother Mohammed Ali must be asking right now.

    (Source: Sky News, November 24, 2017, “Egypt mosque attack: Airstrikes launched after suspected Islamic State atrocity killed hundreds: The strikes targeting suspected hideouts come after Egypt’s president pledged a “brutal” response to an attack which killed 235.”)

  22. “God bless you.”

    Your sanctimony is noted. You have your reward.

  23. So you say you “did not realize…”? Really?

    Well, unfortunately, it’s a little late now, Mr. McGowan.

    Hope you ain’t been all trash-talking on God in this forum, about how He don’t exist and such atheistic rot-gut var-mint lies thereof.

    (Umm….you haven’t been doing that, have you?)

  24. Hi floydlee,

    I was raised to follow Christ by a man who really did. In the years since, I’ve found no evidence that God(s) actually exist. I still deeply respect the legend Christ and much of what He taught. I flatter myself that even now, I still try to be a little better person than I was yesterday.

    But for some reason I really love trolling people who don’t follow Him but claim they do. It’s a weakness I may work on, some other day.

    [Edit: You mentioned lies. If you ever catch me speaking a falsehood, prove I was wrong and I will thank you.]

  25. Who wants to be the first to do the honors of prayer-shaming per the usual around here? Here’s a nice one:

    “Our THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS are with the families of the 235 victims of the Rawdah mosque bombing in Egypt. May God rest their souls. We stand with Egypt at this difficult time.”
    – HH Sheikh Mohammed, Twitter, November 24, 2017.

  26. Put — codoh dot com into your study archives. jan27 dot org as well.

  27. But for some reason I really love trolling people who don’t follow Him but claim they do.
    Pretty unfair accusation of Sandi. I call it slander.

  28. I’m sure she’s a generally nice person, as you probably are.

    Being Christ-like, that’s a high bar. The moment you show off to the world how righteous you are, you fail to meet that bar.

  29. ISIS hasn’t been smart enough yet to learn from other’s mistakes

  30. Christianity didn’t learn from its mistakes either; witness The Troubles in Ireland. The only thing that stopped Christians from slaughtering each other for being the wrong sort of Christian was secular government stepping in. Of course, they still slaughtered each other anyway, just not for religious reasons. and they were happy and are happy to this very day to slaughter each other for purely secular reasons, and everyone else for religious reasons.

  31. While I would say that some don’t follow the Lord the way He taught, this isn’t His fault. Muslim atrocities are at the fault of the Quran.

  32. And Christian atrocities are the fault of the bible.
    Nah. couldn’t be.

  33. Christ said to turn the other cheek – to bless one’s enemies. I know of no where that He teaches that we should try to annihilate our enemies.

  34. But you do realize, you’re saying, that Allah “reads the comments on” Twitter, then? Like this sheikh’s “comments”? Oh, that’s right, he’s not Christian, which makes all the difference, you’re saying?

    “Our THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS are with the families of the 235 victims of the Rawdah mosque bombing in Egypt. May God rest their souls. We stand with Egypt at this difficult time.”
    – HH Sheikh Mohammed, Twitter, November 24, 2017.

  35. But this sheikh took to Twitter, instead. Your Christian-bashing point being what again, even to Muslims?

    “Our THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS are with the families of the 235 victims of the Rawdah mosque bombing in Egypt. May God rest their souls. We stand with Egypt at this difficult time.”
    – HH Sheikh Mohammed, Twitter, November 24, 2017.

  36. You “expect a full response against” themselves – that of “Al-Sisi” and his army against themselves? – WHAT?! Or are you clueless to what’s going on?

    “Interruption of communications is not the only crisis the people of the Sinai Peninsula suffer from. … Violations have been carried out against innocent citizens who have no ties to terrorist organizations. … The army has destroyed houses, leveled plots of land and arrested dozens of Sinai residents without having any evidence of their involvement in operations against the army and police force. … No one can speak about these abuses, or else they will be arrested and beaten by the security forces. Furthermore, punishment can affect more than just the individual himself, and extend to threats to destroy the homes of his family and friends, or detain them”.

    (Source: Enas Hamed, “Blackout on Sinai”, Al-Monitor, April 7, 2014.)

  37. “Be Perfect, for your Father in Heaven is Perfect.” Jesus

  38. First, I don’t despise the “holy” scripture. I simply don’t believe it is “holy”.

    Second, I just despise what some people do with it— usually, using it as club to harm other people.

    Third, anent #2, I would say that the biggest despisers of holy scripture are those who use it to attack others, especially other Christians. It is always atheists like me defending Christians from the attacks of other Christians.

    Fourth, coming from a man who hates Jews, and yet comes up with every possible justification for calling his hatred something else, that’s really rich.

    And finally, let’s just move on to YOU.

    I used to have a difficult time understanding how religious Jew haters—or religious gay haters, or religious black haters— it doesn’t really matter which, because the issue is not the object of your disaffection, but YOU— could reconcile what Jesus had to say about the greatest commandment being love, and the fact that the founder of your religion was most assuredly a Jew. Your normal rational person, with a normal amount of empathy would not be able to handle the intensity of the cognitive dissonance that must surely be generated.

    But then, I began to understand two things, and the more I began to study the bigots with whom I came in contact, the clearer it became. There is no cognitive dissonance, becuase what “holy scripture” says is most assuredly NOT the issue.

    Not all bigotry is hate, though if you can self-generate enough fear, hate is sure to grow in order to sustain the fear, absent a direct stimulus. So much bigotry, as I always say, is simply the completely unwarranted faith in a highly imaginary and completely self assigned superiority. You have it. Floyd has it. Sandimonious has it.

    I also began to understand this: how someone reads his bible depends very much on the kind of person he is, and not the other way around. For example, you do not become that person by reading the Bible, pulling out the anti-Jew passages, and saying, “Hmm. That seems like a good idea to me. Those bastards killed the Baby Jesus! I will hate them! Forever! 2000 years after ancient Jews fulfilled God’s plan, I will blame their descendants for this and hate them.”

    And of course, not even “their descendants.” Just Jews in general. Because that is the kind of person you are, not the person you decided to be because you read your Bible.

    Have you ever seen the photographs of the white people in Arkansas protesting integration? Faces twisted and distorted by rage that those uppity nigra could dare declare themselves the equals of white people. Or the equally chilling photos of lynchings— one dead black man and a sea of white faces indifferent to the mob murder Just committed.

    Unfortunately, their parents just didn’t raise them right. Unfortunately, your parents did not raise YOU right.

    And isn’t that just too sad?

  39. There there is none righteous. No, not one.

    Let he among you who is without sin cast the first stone.

    Looks like “holy” scripture once again contradicts itself.

  40. Perhaps. On the other hand…

    People tell me, judge not lest ye be judged. I always tell them, twist not scripture, lest ye be like Satan. Paul Washer

  41. Like you care, but we are talking about two separate periods of time. Life before the Cross and life after the Cross. But you won’t get it. READ HEBREWS.

  42. “…..Fourth, coming from a man who hates Jews…….”
    Nice SLANDER. First…..we have to agree on the word ‘hate’. Second……if I “hate” according to your definition, I hate those jews who cause harm to others. PERIOD. Like my father who lost his entire pension because of Bernie Madoff’s GREED. Therefore, I hate Bernie Madoff.

  43. that the founder of your religion was most assuredly a Jew
    For the record, He was not a jew. He was a Galilean from the tribe of Judah. But again…..you don’t care to study the difference.

  44. Have you ever seen the photographs of the white people in Arkansas protesting integration?
    Ever been forced by GUN POINT to do something you didn’t want to do??? I’d like to see your face.

  45. The German Government has released 50 million documents on the fate of 17 million people who were in the Nazi concentration camps and forced labor camps. And there is no longer any guesswork as to what happened to them, their properties, their businesses, their bank accounts, and even the gold from their teeth. We have the written testimonies of thousands of survivors that did not even know each other, with the same stories. On what contradictory evidence would you like to have this debate?? Please be very specific!

  46. Aww the poor bigots. Being forced to treat other people as their equals and losing the legal right to treat them like crap. My heart bleeds for them, OK not really. Thousands of people bled for the right to make those whiny snowflakes so disappointed.

  47. “Therefore, I hate Bernie Madoff.”

    …and you blame the entire Jewish people. Plus your prior Holocaust denial and Nazi apologia doesn’t help you on that front either.

    I respected you more when you didn’t try to hide such things. 🙂

  48. Roy Hobs. I earlier said you were probably a generally nice guy. I see now that I may have been mistaken.

    Please accept my apology if I called you something you are not.

  49. Forced at gunpoint to be decent, compassionate, law abiding, open hearted human beings? I should hope I would not have to be forced at gunpoint to do that.

    Or forced at gunpoint to show up to protest integration, to carry their signs, and to twist their faces in hatred not of the people carrying the guns, but of the children attending school? They could have just ignored it, but they chose not to.

    Your values are…

  50. A galilean of the tribe of Judah, from which we get the word JEW, was not Jewish! OK.

    The genealogy of both Mary, Who was definitely Jewish, making her son Jewish, and Joseph, would indicate that he was Jewish.

    Mark 1:1, the first chapter of the first gospel, indicates the Jesus was Jewish.

    John 4:22, where Jesus refers to him self as Jewish.

    John 19:20 states that this was written in three languages: Hebrew, Latin and Greek and was put on the cross of Jesus. Jesus of Nazareth, King of the JEWS.

    The constant referrals to the Law of Moses.

    The agreement of the 99.9% of bible scholars that Jesus was Jewish.

    Oh, I’m aorry. You meant that .1% of “scholars” who are virulently anti Semitic, virulently anti Jewish, or Just virulent. Anti semites have their own special history, their own special words, their own special meanings.

    In this they are kind of like the Illuminati, except for the part about having brains.

  51. As I said earlier, it just always seems to come up that the people you hate for whatever reasons you have are Jewish people that you hate, even though their being Jewish has nothing to do with it.

    OK, then!

  52. Everyday good Muslims suffer from Islamism, political Islam, Islamic sharia, etc. Like I said before– when Europe was run by the Church, it was called the “Dark Ages” well into the Middle Ages. Catholic and Protestant Kings had the complete power over life and death. This is why we have evolved to separation of Church and State.

  53. I had to give this one some more thought.

    You are desperate to believe that the founder of your religion, circumcised, born to Jewish parents, known as Rabbi, preaching in the temple when he was 12, owning a common Jewish name, his faith depending entirely on the reality of the Jewish creation myth, was not Jewish, despite all of the actual evidence that he was…

    …though I have to admit, there is far more evidence that he was Jewish than there is that he ever existed, much less was the son of the Jewish god…

    Anyway, it seems amazing to me that you can rationalize away the obvious. The Old Testament of your Bible is a Jewish collection of books. Christianity was a Jewish heresy that took off. St. Paul, the actual founder of your faith, was also A Jew. Most of the multitudinous versions of Christianity and the near unanimity of scholars claim that he was Jewish.

    But because jews for you are like gay people for Floyd and Sandimonious, the actual reality is really not going to impinge onyour consciousness particularly. I find this amazing, but in perfect accord with what I said earlier about how you read the Bible being reflective of the kind of person you are. Your admonishment that I should read Hebrews so that I could “get it” simply assumes that I already didn’t. All about those poor Christians, the followers of that Jewish heresy, being persecuted for their beliefs, something that Christians paid back in spades for nearly 2000 years, when they weren’t doing the same to each other. You ought to read what they did to Jacques Demolay: absolutely charming, but nowhere near as efficient as what the Nazis did a few centuries later.

    So I do want to thank you for demonstrating in spades— or is that just too obvious?— what I was saying far better than I could. Like homohatred, Jew hatred is so insidious and corrosive that it twists and perverts everything it touches, including the Word o’ God.

  54. I have to agree with Sandi on this. While their god is a bi-polar megalomaniac, Christians were admonished to be peaceful and leave retribution to god. The sword reference concerns Christianity severing ties amongst families and friends. True Christians were to be politically neutral. Of course this was ignored!

  55. Modern Jewry is largely descended from Edomites who converted to Judaism in 130BC, not from the Biblical 12 Tribes of Israel. See Jewish Virtual Library — the most comprehensive online Jewish encyclopedia in the world. http://www.jewishvirtuallib
    “The distinction between Edomites and Jews was blurred by Johanan Hyrcanus’ forced conversion of Edom/Idumea to Judaism in 130BC. During the 1st c. BC. Pressure by the Arab Nabateans pushed the territory of the Edomites to within 15 miles of Jerusalem.”

  56. Jews as a race! I did Nazi that coming.

    Of course! Jesus wasn’t a Jew, at least not that kind of a Jew. Because the Bernie madoff jews are actually edomites, which we know because 6 generations before Jesus, edomites were forcibly converted to Judaism. SIX generations before Jesus, an ethnic minority was forcibly converted to the Judaism of the time, even though they had already been intermingling for generations with their more numerous cousins. Therefore, JEsus wasn’t Jewish. But maybe Jesus was actually Edomite! Maybe he was Jewish! Let’s test his DNA! Oops! can’t do that, becuase he didn’t leave any when he was raised from the dead.

    Well. Now it makes perfect sense.

    Desperate flailing at Edomite straws. Love it.

  57. What?!?! Christians ignoring what Jesus had to say? Naaaaaah.

  58. Why? Do they contradict millions of documents and thousands of first hand testimonies?

  59. If there were such an entity as God, he would rebuke you for your insensitive BS. We have seen the results of Christian love for the last 2,000 years– sarcasm intended.

  60. Those were all forgeries and fakes, part of the massive Jewish conspiracy to take over the world for the past 2000 years, mass all of the world’s wealth, and make every eat saltine crackers made with palm oil, which they claim is matzoh, instead of more expensive bread.

    Diabolical!

  61. –Why? Do they contradict millions of documents and thousands of first hand testimonies?

  62. What is your primary source of that statement? Please do not dodge the question.

  63. When it starts to make sense in when you need to start worrying!

  64. You are under the obvious delusion that we live in an ideal world where we take turns being sarcastic. That will only happen when you pry my sarcasm from my cold, dead hands. ???

  65. She let you off easy there, Ben. When people are praying for shattered, bereaved families and survivors, it’s best for atheists to just let it pass and find something else to argue about.

    (Although you can always offer your own prayers for them if you wish, they will need all they can get.)

  66. Normally, “hypocrisy” is the Number One rant against Christians, but you were hooked up with a guy who was 100 percent All-In, showing you by example, that Jesus is real not fake.

    Lotta folks wish they had some good, warm, living proof like that.

    But what about YOU? You were meant, (regardless of “whatever happened”), for SOMEBODY, maybe a spiritually hungry relative or nephew, somebody, to get a good taste of what you got.

    Hungry folks don’t need “legends.” They need real Bread. You were given real Bread. For a reason.
    Stop pretending that the real Bread doesn’t exist. They’re hungry.

    So drop the atheism, and become the NEW guy who shows the hungry children that the Bread is real. This is **your** time to do it.

  67. Hypocritical Christians condemn Islam based on its writings in addition to current behavior by some of its followers but fail to realize that modern Christianity bears no resemblance to Christianity in the Bible. I learned that from Jehovah’s Witnesses who modeled their organization and beliefs strictly from the Bible. I consider them the closest to True Christians – a scary picture.

  68. Well, I’m not sure about the JW’s being closest to biblical Christianity. But the rest…absolutely.

  69. “showing you by example, that Jesus is real not fake.”

    Dad showed me that a largely Christ-like life could be lived. His example was admirable, but does not prove God exists, nor even that the biblical Jesus existed.

    If anyone proves deities exist, I’ll thankfully “drop the atheism”. Until then, I’ll support the good I see, oppose the bad, and point out the hypocrisy.

  70. Ahmadiyya also is non-violent, but the orthodox consider them to be heretics as well.

  71. You’re quite correct. I knew there was another one, but couldn’t remember exactly what or whom.

  72. The Lord Jesus Christ was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah via his mother the Blessed Virgin Mary, who was of the lineage of David (Psalm 132:11; Luke 1:32). Contemporary Jewry does NOT descend from the Biblical 12 Tribes of Israel. Modern Jewry is primarily descended from Edomites, [called Idumeans by the Greeks and Romans] who were forcibly converted to Judaism in 103BC by Johanan Hycarnus, recorded by historian Flavius Josephus.

    The Historian Flavius Josephus writes in “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13: Chapter 9, Section 1: “Hyrcanus took also Dora, and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befel them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0146%3Abook%3D13%3Awhiston+chapter%3D9%3Awhiston+section%3D1

    The Greek geographer, philosopher, and historian Strabo further testifies to the colonisation of Judea by Edomite converts to Judaism in Geography [Book 16 Chapter 2 Section 34]. http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0239%3Abook%3D16%3Achapter%3D2%3Asection%3D34

  73. School desegregation was enforced literally at bayonet point, see image. http://s719.photobucket.com/user/ThisDayInHistory14/media/ForcedIntegrationatBayonetPoint001.jpg.html

    “Civil Rights,” “Desegregation,” “MultiCULTuralism and DIEversity,” are all enforced by a tyrannical Zionist Occupied Government, and are all designed to miscegenate people of White European racial ancestry out of existence. “Jack Greenberg, the Jewish Lawyer Who Used Law as a Weapon To Desegregate America’s Schools”
    http://forward.com/culture/looking-back/351856/jack-greenberg-the-lawyer-who-used-law-as-a-weapon-to-desegregate-americas/

    Why aren’t there any Jewish organizations working to desegregate schools in Israel, so that Arabs can attend classes with Jewish schoolchildren?

    (((They))) want to force desegregation and assimilation with non-whites, and non-christians, on White Christians, but work hard to prevent assimilation between Jews and Non-Jews. e.g. Read: Hanukkah today: The battle against assimilation. https://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/204568

  74. Jewish American scientist, author Jared Diamond, is best known for insisting that race doesn’t exist, -[he teaches this to White Americans, i.e. U.S. citizens of White European racial ancestry]- but the arch hypocrite Jared Diamond is also on record boasting that DNA has finally been able to scientifically define who is a Jew which will be a boost to Israel!

    “There are also practical reasons for interest in Jewish genes. The state of Israel has been going to much expense to support immigration and job retraining of Jews who were persecuted minorities in other countries. That immediately poses the problem of defining who is a Jew. For example, a debate is going on right now [November 1993] in Israel concerning policy toward Ethiopia’s remaining would-be immigrants who identify themselves as Jews. Are they descendants of ancient Jews, as they maintain, or are they descendants of converted Africans, as their physical appearance might suggest?” — (Jared Diamond, “Who Are the Jews?” Natural History, November 1993, p.12.)

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/
    Israeli Prime Minister’s Office says would-be immigrants from the former Soviet Union may be subjected to DNA tests to prove Jewish bloodline.

  75. Haim Cohen, a former judge of the Supreme Court of Israel, noted: “…the bitter irony of fate which has led to the same biological and racist laws propagated by the Nazis and which inspired the infamous Nuremberg laws, to serve as a basis for the definition of Judaism within the State of Israel.” ~ (Badi, J. (1960). Fundamental Laws Of The State Of Israel. New York. p.156.)

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/not-jewish-enough-to-marry-a-cohen-1.150715
    The article, “Not Jewish Enough to Marry a Cohen,” discusses how a Jewish lady named Irina Plotnikov immigrated to Israel from the former Soviet Union (FSU) in 1992, but was ruled ineligible to marry a Cohen by a rabbinic court in Jerusalem because her father is not Jewish.

  76. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish Congress, speaking before a rally in New York in 1938, said:

    “I am not an American citizen of the Jewish faith, I am a Jew. I am an American. I have been an American for sixty-three sixty-fourths of my life, but I have been a Jew for 4000 years. Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish people a race and we are a race.” [See: Wise (1938). Dr. Wise Urges Jews To Declare Selves As Such. New York Herald Tribune. June 13. p.12.]

    Medical geneticist Harry Ostrer insists the ‘biological basis of Jewishness’ cannot be ignored. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664

  77. Jews yelling, “Holocaust denier” at non-Jews who question the exaggerated figures of Jews liquidated in the so called, Holocaust, are hypocrites, as they will themselves deny that tens of millions of Christians (mostly Russians and Ukrainians) were slaughtered by the Jewish Bolsheviks.

    Here’s some breaking news that has Jewish Supremacists frothing at the mouth with Talmudic hatred! Fury as Russia launches investigation into whether the last tsar Nicholas II was killed with his family as part of a ‘Jewish ritual murder’, at behest of Putin’s ‘confessor’ http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5125545/Russia-investigates-tsar-killed-Jewish-ritual.html
    Russia is launching an investigation into whether Tsar Nicholas II and his family were killed by Jews as part of a ‘ritual murder’ in a move that has infuriated anti-Semitism campaigners.

    Father Tikhon Shevkunov, the Orthodox bishop heading an investigatory panel, is among hardcore members of the church who claim the final Russian emperor was murdered in a Jewish ritual.

  78. I get it. Your a racist and a Jew hater, and you are proud of it. You are fearful of the other, and you are proud of it. I’m sure you have a little list that includes people like me as well.

    What amazes me is not you— your ilk is everywhere- but that the Good Christians (TM) who prattle on about love and morality don’t call you out for it.

    But then, you are all so adept at hating and hiding behind your religion to do it.

    Have a nice day, dear.

  79. It’s not 1997, Holocaust deniers have already been shown to the public to be malicious lying turds.

    Every aspect of their agenda and lying has been laid out for the public to see. All because David Irving tried to silence someone calling out his fictions. A holocaust denier by their nature is a lying turd. Never a need to take them seriously.
    See:
    http://www.hdot.org

    “as they will themselves deny that tens of millions of Christians (mostly Russians and Ukrainians) were slaughtered by the Bolsheviks.”

    Lenin and Stalin were Jewish? News to us all! Nobody denies such atrocities. You are a compulsively dishonest.

    Russians reviving blood libel is nothing new. They were antisemitic scum buckets before the communists and nazis. I am still taking up a collection for you to go there permanently.
    Daily Mail?
    Really?
    Stormfront too obvious?

  80. Pictured on page 79 of Nobel Prizewinner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s, Gulag Archipelago II, are the leading administrators of the greatest killing machine in the history of the world, the gulags. They are Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda, and Naftaly Frenkel. All SIX ARE JEWS.

    The Jew Genrikh Yagoda was the People’s Commissar for Internal Affairs (NKVD) from 10 July 1934 – 26 September 1936. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genrikh_Yagoda

    The below excerpts are from the linked Israeli ynet news website article entitled: “Stalin’s Jews: We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.” http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    ♦ In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.

    ♦ An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. ♦ Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

  81. (Nobel Prizewinner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn wrote: “You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the ‘Russian Revolution.’ It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.”

    “Who runs Hollywood? C’mon.” December 19, 2008|JOEL STEIN http://articles.latimes.com/2008/dec/19/opinion/oe-stein19
    How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

  82. “It is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States, but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type…” ~ Captain Schuyler, American army intelligence officer in Russia during the revolution. (in his official report)
    See [U.S. National Archives. (1919). Record Group 120: Records of the American Expeditionary Forces, June 9.]

    “The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a world-wide social revolution.” — (David Francis, American Ambassador to Russia at the time of the Revolution.). See [Francis, D. R. (1921). Russia From the American Embassy. New York: C. Scribner’s & Sons. p.214.]

  83. A table made up in 1918, by Robert Wilton, correspondent of the London Times in Russia, shows at that time there were 384 commissars including 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians and more than 300 Jews. Of the latter number 264 had come from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government.

    The directorate of British Intelligence sent to America and other nations a lengthy report dated July 16, 1919, on Bolshevism abroad. It was called “A Monthly Review of the Progress of Revolutionary Movements Abroad.” This lengthy report lists the Communist movements in the major nations of the world. The first sentence in the first paragraph on the first page of this British government report bluntly states: “There is now definite evidence that Bolshevism is an international movement controlled by Jews.”

  84. Still waiting for proof Lenin was Jewish. No link. Hate site source. Ignored.

    Seriously Sparky, what is it?
    Is the great Jewish conspiracy extreme capitalism or communism?

    It seems both would be counterproductive and wasteful of resources for such a small group. So it makes no sense.

    You nazis really can’t keep a coherent thought. I guess it’s tough when you are a compulsive liar. Oh well.

  85. https://www.hdot.org/debunking-denial/or5-traces-gas-chambers/
    Alex Bay, using sophisticated computer and mathematical analysis, has reconstructed a three-dimensional portrait of Treblinka using a 1944 aerial reconnaissance photograph and Kurt Franz’s photograph collection. On the aerial photograph Bay found the visible scar of the “tube” that led from the reception area, where the Jews were unloaded and forced to undress, to the gas chamber buildings. The traces of the “tube” are marked by the clear traces of the fence posts that lined its sides. Although Bay was unable to find definitive traces of the gas chamber buildings on the images, it seems reasonable to conclude that they were close to the end of the tube (in the area marked with an ‘X.’[3]

    DID YOU GET THAT? “No definitive traces of the gas chamber buildings on the images.”

    “it seems reasonable to conclude”</B IS NOT PROOF, it's an assumption, speculation.

  86. David Irving was not humiliated, the ruling against him in the UK was politically motivated. Can you imagine the impact on the Justice Charles Gray’s career, if he had ruled in Irving’s favour? The ruling against David Irving in today’s UK, which is dominated by powerful Jewish lobbies and Jewish media owners, is about as credible as a ruling against a Jew would have been in a court of the Third Reich. It’s obvious that no British Judge would have dared to side with David Irving. From the beginning, Irving was fighting a losing battle, he never had a chance.

    The German weekly DIE ZEIT annotated on April 6, 2000 in regard of the impartiality of the Judge: “One may usually expect of a Judge of her Majesty that he would not lose sight of the social and political implications regarding a verdict. The reaction on a judgement in favour of Irving can easily be imagined.”

    David Irving brought a law suit against Deborah Lipstadt alleging libel. In a report published in the German daily ‘Süddeutsche Zeitung’, (April 12, 2000, page 17) about the Irving-Trial, Petra Steinberger wrote: “Such a law suit would have never been accepted in Germany because the denial of the holocaust constitutes a crime per se.”

    The EU is a Zionist controlled project, as Voltaire allegedly said, “To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticise.” So called “holocaust denial laws” exist in 12 EU countries, Austria, Belgium, the Czech Republic, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, Portugal, and Romania, where historians and scientists are thrown into prison if they dare publish research where the conclusion reached differs from the government approved Holocaust story.

  87. Lying pighumper omitted the subsequent paragraph

    Corroborating evidence of the aerial image and Franz’s photographs.
    When Bay examined Franz’s photographs he found an image of the excavators in the area of the mass graves that featured partial views of both the smaller and larger gas chamber buildings. Visible in the image is the end of the older and smaller gas chamber building as well as the room in which the engine was installed. Also visible, but partially blocked by the excavator, is the western end of the roof of the newer, larger gas chamber building.

    The photograph also shows a well house, a fence that shielded the view of the mass graves area, a gate and two prisoners carrying a stretcher—all details whose existence and location are corroborated by both survivor and perpetrator eyewitnesses.[4]

    “The Diary of Anne Frank” is alerting publishers that her father is not only the editor but also legally the co-author of the celebrated book”

    Because Anne Frank was too busy being murdered by Nazis to get her diary to the publisher.

    Were you born this stupid or did it just develop that way.

    As I said holocaust deniers are lying malicious turds. You are not refuting it in any way.
    Really, using hdot.org by selective editing? Pathetic. Nazis are stupid.

  88. Which means he was not Jewish. Not even by Nazi standards. You are still useless.

  89. Below Excerpts taken from the linked Israeli ynet news article, entitled: “Lenin’s Jewish roots confirmed.” http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4073133,00.html

    Among dozens of newly released documents on display at the State History Museum is a letter written by Lenin’s eldest sister, Anna Ulyanova, saying that their maternal grandfather was a Ukrainian Jew who converted to Christianity to escape the Pale of Settlement and gain access to higher education.

    He came from a poor Jewish family and was, according to his baptismal certificate, the son of Moses Blank, a native of (the western Ukrainian city of) Zhitomir,” Ulyanova wrote in a 1932 letter to Josef Stalin, who succeeded Lenin after his death in 1924.

    “Vladimir Ilych had always thought of Jews highly,” she wrote. “I am very sorry that the fact of our origin – which I had suspected before – was not known during his lifetime.”

  90. Dude, you lied about what an article said in an obvious manner. Now you are trying to save face. Poor little snowflake.

    Holocaust denier pig humpers haven’t produced anything new since David Irving went down in flames.

    No, they weren’t written in ballpoint pen. Debunked in hdot.org.

    Otto Frank writing a prologue and editing is not evidence of a hoax there any more then it is with the Bible. 🙂

    Both my grandfathers found killing Nazis in service our our nation to be a great honor. I can see why. They are too useless to keep around.

  91. Speaking of those that Jewish supremacists like to honor, ever heard of the Jew Ilya Grigoriewich Ehrenburg?

    The Jew Ilya Grigoriewich Ehrenburg served as a propagandist in Stalin’s regime, and authored an especially vitriolic leaflet entitled “Kill,” which was circulated among the soldiers on the Eastern Front: “Kill! Kill! In the German race there is nothing but evil; not one among the living, not one among the yet unborn but is evil! Follow the precepts of Comrade Stalin. Stamp out the fascist beast once and for all in its lair! Use force and break the racial pride of these Germanic women. Take them as your lawful booty. Kill! As you storm onward, kill, you gallant soldiers of the Red Army.”

    By the way, Ilya Grigoriewich Ehrenburg was a crypto Zionist. The Canadian Jewish News writes: “ … The recent disclosure that Ehrenburg arranged to transfer his private archives to Jerusalem’s Yad Vashem library and archive, while still alive, comes as a stunning revelation. The reason this information has come to light only now is that Ehrenburg agreed to transfer his archive on condition that the transfer, and his will, remain secret for 20 years after his death. On Dec. 11 [1987], with the 20-year period expired, Israel’s daily Maariv related Ehrenburg’s story…”

  92. Change the subject when caught in a lie. Whatevs.

    I am going to ignore your postings on this thread. We are hogging it and wasting bandwidth. Plus you are taking time away from my gushing over watching 4 hours of TV superheroes enjoying beating on and killing nazis

    http://uproxx.com/sepinwall/crisis-on-earth-x-recap-supergirl-arrow-flash-legends-of-tomorrow-review/
    “watching superheroes beat up Nazis (going all the way back to the cover of the first Captain America comic) feels satisfying”

  93. Maternal grandfather means not Jewish. Converted before Lenin was born, even less so. Nazis didn’t consider people like that Jewish, neither should you.

  94. Sure he wasn’t? Disgraced, forced to pay millions in legal costs for his opponent. Having his points savaged and dismembered, like a KFC family bucket, in a public setting for all to see and read. Unable to get his work published in the mainstream anymore.

    Sorry dumb bunny but if there was any bias, it was for all the world and an appeals court to see. Your assertions are worthless since the arguments evidence, testimony and various rulings are there to see for yourself. All carefully documented just in case lying trolls like you would make such claims.

    BTW holocaust denial is illegal in continental Europe because they criminalize libel and defamation there. Of they were telling the truth, they would have a defense. But obviously they aren’t.

    Poor snowflake has to pretend the mean old judge treated Irving unfairly despite a wealth of evidence available to the public showing he was full of crap.

    Facts are not your friend.

  95. British Courts, or any court in the EU for that matter, has about as much impartiality when presiding over a case involving the Third Reich, as the Nazi judge Roland Freisler had when he was presiding over cases involving the “enemies of the Reich,” or to put it another way, David Irving had about as much chance of getting a positive outcome in a British court, as a Jew would of had in a Nazi court of the Third Reich.

    Facts and reality are not your friend.

  96. Boo hoo, whiny malicious liar blame the judge for a decision against them. After all, it’s not like there is voluminous documentation of all aspects of the trial to give such complaints credence. Oh wait there is! There goes that argument.

    There was even an application for appeal so the judges decision and conduct could be reviewed as well.

    BTW the best example as to why British legal system was not as disgustingly unjust as the Nazi courts is the Nuremberg tribunal. Nazis were given more due process and effective defense than anyone ever in Nazi clutches. There were acquittals and dismissals of cases.

    The judge could have just dismissed the case for lack of merit.
    But clearly documenting the holocaust denial lying was seen as too important to leave it at that.

    It’s all here. http://WWW.hdot.org

    Just so the world could tell people like you to crawl back into the hole from which you spawned.

    On the bright side, you are as Christian as they come. Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.

  97. Nazis were given due process at the Nuremberg trials? HAHAHA! The Nuremberg trials were a clownish farce, where literal mass murderers from the Allied forces, such as the bloodstained Soviets, who ran the genocidal gulags, and also executed 22,000 Polish army officers at the Katyn Forrest massacre, stood as judge, jury and executioner over the National Socialist defendants.

    P.S. Britain and France declared war on Nazi Germany, ostensibly in support of Poland, which Nazi Germany had invaded in September 1939. Curiously, Britain and France didn’t declare war on Soviet Russia, despite the Soviets having joined Nazi Germany in the invasion of Poland. The Soviets occupied the Eastern half of Poland, and Soviet NKVD thugs exterminated 22,000 Polish Army officers at Katyn forrest in 1940. Despite all this, Britain and France allied themselves with the Soviet Union. The British and French were also happy to allow these Soviet mass murderers to occupy Poland at the end of WW2, and join them as judges at the Nuremberg trials – WHAT’S WRONG WITH THIS PICTURE?

    P.S. Much of the “evidence” from the “victor’s justice” show trials conducted by allied forces is based on “confessions” of SS men whose testicles had been kicked beyond repair during interrogation.

    Such so called “evidence” would be inadmissible in court today.

    Judge Edward Van Roden was a member of the Simpson Army Commission that investigated the methods that were used by investigators at the U. S. Court in Dachau.

    In the January 9, 1949, Washington Daily News and January 23, 1949, London Sunday Pictorial, Simpson Army Commission judge Edward Van Roden told of some examples of the use of torture.

    . . .The investigators,” he said, “would put a black hood over the accused’s head and then punch him in the face with brass knuckles, kick him and beat him with rubber hoses. . . . All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair.”

  98. “Holocaust denier” is a label that is inaccurately attached to those who question the figure of “6 million” Jews killed and some of the methods supposedly used to execute these Jews, it’s nothing but a sly attempt to discredit these persons. It’s dishonest, and contemptible behavior. The case for the 6 million holocaust figure and the existence of gas chambers is so flimsy, it literally relies on threatening historians and scientists with prison in order to ensure the outcome of their research aligns with the official holocaust story! Pathetic!

    When a historian summons the courage to come out and say that fewer than 6 million Jews died, then he/she is labelled a Holocaust denier, -[i.e. deemed a “heretic” by the Inquisition (Judges) of the religion of Holocaustianity]- and thrown into prison. This week, an inquisitor (judge) of Holocaustianity in Germany jailed an 89 year old Grandmother for 14 months, because she didn’t agree with the government enforced Holocaust tale. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-42164853

    In a 2002 interview with American journalist Amy Goodman, Shulamit Aloni said that charges of antisemitism are “a trick we use” to suppress criticism of Israel coming from within the United States, for criticism coming from Europe “we bring up the Holocaust.” http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/14507

    We always use the anti-Semitism trick or bring up the Holocaust.” — (Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni) http://youtu.be/uW3a1bw5XlE

  99. Oh great the Holocaust didn’t happen. So my great uncle’s family is still alive and weren’t all murdered by Nazis. They were just sent away and just forgot to leave a forwarding address….after 70 years. He will be so happy to hear that! /sarcasm.

    “Holocaust denier” is far too sedate. But “Lying PigF–ker Nazi Trash” is too long to spell out and can’t be said in public. If a historian claims less than half the death figures are accurate, they need to prove it with evidenced more compelling than the stuff already accrued. But that is unlikely. Not helping is that people who make such claims are invariably lying pigf_king Nazis, looking to troll others. Like you.

    6,000,000 is an underestimate coming from Nazi statistics and interpolation. It fails to account for mass shootings, those worked to death and death marched. http://WWW.Hdot.org has a section devoted to the number estimates. No need to rehash it. Not for you.

    Dude, I already caught you lying about your supporting material and there is a resource debunking all your claims. You got nothing left.

    So what did you think of the four hour Nazi punching extravaganza on TV this week?

  100. Poor wittle snowflake can’t deal with the fact that his lies are so obvious there is voluminous documentation available worldwide showing how full of it he is. The trials were filmed and transcripts available to everyone just so the world can tell you to go eat a bag of turds for making such laughable assertions. Sparky, Show trials don’t have acquittals, dismissals, and

    No link to the cut and paste. Too embarrassed about the fact you are using liars and trolls as sources. How pathetic.

  101. I can’t believe this you re citing this scurrilous garbage.
    And of course, orthodox bishops would blame the Jews.
    The Jews always get blamed for what disgusting murderers do.
    You don’t know any history.

  102. http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v19/v19n5p-2_Weber.html
    In the Canadian Human Rights Commission vs Ernst Zündel, Ernst Zündel’s main attorney was Doug Christie, and Barbara Kulaszka. Also on the Zündel side in this case was Paul Fromm, director of the Canadian Association for Free Expression (CAFE). Despite its name, the Human Rights Tribunal is not a court. The two persons who presided over the proceedings of this quasi-judicial body, Claude Pensa and Reva Devins, are “Commissioners,” not judges, who are appointed by the same federal Human Rights Commission that brought the charge against Zündel.

    Amazingly, “truth is no defense” in this bizarre proceeding. Neither the truthfulness (factuality) of a “complained of” writing, nor the motive of the writer, may be considered in determining if it is “likely” to expose persons to “hatred or contempt.” As Chairman Pensa bluntly put it:

    “It is the finding of this Tribunal that truth is not an issue before us. Parliament has spoken. The use of telephone messages for purposes prohibited by section 13 of the Act cannot be justified by asserting that such messages are truthful. The sole issue is whether such communications are likely to expose a person or persons to hatred or contempt.”

    Observes CAFE director Fromm: “This mad hatter’s tea party has decided that ‘truth is no defense,’ that truth doesn’t matter. It’s only the feelings of the aggrieved minority that determines whether a statement is ‘likely’ to expose them to hatred or contempt’.”

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