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  1. “In the past, bishops and Vatican officials claimed this was a local
    problem in the United States. Then it became an “English-speaking”
    problem as Ireland and Australia blew up. Then it became a Western
    problem as Europe was engulfed. Now it is exploding in Latin America.
    Asia and Africa will be next.”

    So we can deduce from this comment, which I find to be a true statement, is that the church has a problem with lying to people. This bearing false witness against the faithful, and the world at large is another deep seated sin the church commits on a daily basis. We the laity know that they lie to us constantly, and the world knows it as well. They can speak of all the pretty words, all the sentimentality of serving the poor in all their needs, they can attempt to come off as hip, but this church will continue to fail because it cannot stop lying.

    They are not looking for people to accept the Word, for the sake of honoring/glorifying God, of bringing His Truth into the world, but are looking for people who like an animal to a trap will dare to venture into their lair to be devoured by what they have become. Who wants to spend one moment with liars, with those who tell you one thing and lie to your face the next moment. They are not leaders, they are those who have navigated the sludge of formation, initiation, and have forced people to deny and commit things that they know are not of God. Like politics, you go in believing one thing, believing you will be taught to live a more righteous life for God, and after they have killed every last vestige of what you believe to be right, just and true, you are now as filthy as them. All because they perpetually lie and obfuscate because they themselves have been defiled.

    This youth synod, is going to be not only a disaster, but will be a hypocrite fest. When the church can end its lying, and sometime it goes beyond just lying by chastising those who will not believe the lie, then perhaps this church will reclaim what Jesus has given us for the salvation of souls.

  2. “A significant number of young people, both men and women, would like to take a leadership role in the church, but they find it incredible that the priesthood is closed to women and married men.”

    Which means one of two things:

    – they are completely unfamiliar with the Church’s teachings on male-only ordination, or;

    – they reject the teaching authority of the Church.

    Either way, the solution is not to be “relevant”, “relevant” and “irrelevant” appearing three times in the article.

    There are a few denominations in the USA which have become example of churches of “What’s Happening Now”, and the results have not been salutary.

  3. Along with being untruthful, failing to pass on the Faith with clear teaching is a significant problem.

  4. Re: “[Newark Archbishop Joseph] Tobin has since asked to be excused from the meeting so he could deal with the fallout from the sexual abuse crisis in his archdiocese.” 

    Well, now … there’s your problem, right there! Maybe if the R.C. Church hadn’t worked to let priests abuse children around the world, they might not have to sell themselves so hard to young people. They’ve built up an enormous stockpile of disgrace and malignancy, which they’ll have to overcome. 

  5. The writer mentions the importance of listening to young people. The synod should be made up of young people, no bishops.As long as they have bunches of old cloistered men trying to decide what is best for young people their efforts will fail!

  6. It’s not a bad idea to get the bishops together so they can LISTEN TO young people. They won’t understand what they hear, but the food is good in Rome and they won’t be sued or imprisoned for a week or so, so it’s a win-win for bishops these days.

  7. The synod probably has two purposes.

    The primary goal is to convince the hierarchs that they are still very important and relevant. This goal will probably be achieved more or less in full.

    The secondary goal is to convince others that the hierarchs are still very important and relevant. The success in achieving this goal is likely to be quite limited.

  8. The reason why the synod is NOT made up of young people with no bishops, and CANNOT made up by young people, no bishops, is because then it would be a meeting, not a synod.

    By definition a synod is a meeting of bishops.

    By divine institution the Catholic Church is led by bishops, successors to the Apostles.

    Many of them are not old, none of them are cloistered, and in any case with age comes wisdom.

  9. The Roman Catholic Church has NOT “worked to let priests abuse children around the world”.

  10. Your post probably has two purposes.

    The primary goal is to mock the bishops of the Catholic Church (the “hierarchs”).

    The secondary goal is to mock the divinely instituted hierarchical structure of the Catholic Church.

    Your success in achieving either goal is likely to be quite limited to people who agreed with you before you posted it.

  11. I can see the agenda:

    1. How to groom young people for clergy sex abuse;
    2. Pressuring sex abuse victims into signing bogus confidentiality agreements.
    3. Pretending that you care: A Primer
    4. Avoiding Responsibility, Accountability and Lawsuits 101

  12. To end such nonsense:

    The Apostles’ Creed 2018 (updated by yours truly based on the studies of NT historians and theologians of the past 200 years)

    Should I believe in a god whose existence cannot be proven
    and said god if he/she/it exists resides in an unproven,
    human-created, spirit state of bliss called heaven?????

    I believe there was a 1st century CE, Jewish, simple,
    preacher-man who was conceived by a Jewish carpenter
    named Joseph living in Nazareth and born of a young Jewish
    girl named Mary. (Some say he was a mamzer.)

    Jesus was summarily crucified for being a temple rabble-rouser by
    the Roman troops in Jerusalem serving under Pontius Pilate,

    He was buried in an unmarked grave and still lies
    a-mouldering in the ground somewhere outside of
    Jerusalem.

    Said Jesus’ story was embellished and “mythicized” by
    many semi-fiction writers. A bodily resurrection and
    ascension stories were promulgated to compete with the
    Caesar myths. Said stories were so popular that they
    grew into a religion known today as Catholicism/Christianity
    and featuring dark-age, daily wine to blood and bread to body rituals
    called the eucharistic sacrifice of the non-atoning Jesus.

    Amen
    (References used are available upon request.)

  13. So you at least believe that Jesus actually existed. Any comments on the Sermon on the Mount? Any explanation on why stories that would get you in very serious trouble (perhaps fatal trouble) with both the Jewish and Roman authorities became popular? Why not go along with the Jewish authorities, the Roman authorities, any number of comforting pagan myths, or the numerous and respected philosophical schools of the day?

  14. Any thoughts from the author of the original post or from our commentariat on this post by Charles J. Chaput, O.F.M. Cap., Archbishop of Philadelphia?

    https://www.firstthings.com/web-exclusives/2018/09/thoughts-on-the-instrumentum-laboris

    I would appreciate serious specifics regarding his critique rather than vague and malleable phrases like “relevance” and “listening to youth.”

    The man who coined the phrase “don’t trust anyone over 30” is now 78 years old. Youth is a moving target. One might expect the Catholic Magisterium, claimed to be derived from a single deposit of faith consisting of scripture and tradition, to be reasonably stable in its teachings and not carried about with every wind of doctrine designed to appeal to youth.

  15. Speaking of disgrace, get rid of Cupich immediately. Send him a-packing on the A-train !!!

  16. The best Catholic/Biblical sermon I have ever heard was at my brother’s funeral. It was by a priest with a PhD in Biblical studies. Because he knew that perhaps half the people attending in the packed church would be Jewish, he based his sermon on the heavenly feast from the Hebrew Scriptures. He also explained each part of the Mass as he went along, sometimes using quotes from the Hebrew Scriptures. That, plus the laughter in the eulogies, made the service special and meaningful. The second best Catholic sermon was by a former pastor of King’s Chapel (high church Unitarian at that time) in Boston. It was on the Eucharist and the devotion of St. Francis deSales to the Eucharist.

  17. As far as listening is concerned, it is happening at the “Nones and Nuns” meetings. Listening, hearing absorbing, mutually respecting. The primary Nones are Millennials and younger. Are any of the nuns participating in “Nones and Nuns” included in this synod? Women were at the First Pentecost. Perhaps the Holy spirit will ignore this clubby in crowd because the women are not fully respected at this meeting. On the other hand Francis’s main reason for calling this synod would be for the bishops to wake up to the fact that they have nothing useful to say to young people, After which realization the famous “Now we begin” can be spoken. P.S. if this synod is any repeat of the grouchy lack of insight at the meeting of the heads of US religious orders on this topic, then the Holy Spirit truly has fled.

  18. The sexual scandals have not been the main motivation for young people to leave the RC church. The cover-up role of almost all the bishops confirms their decision to get out, but in most cases other reasons led them to leave.

  19. There is no A Train in Chicago. Are you subtly suggesting Dolan be dropded in NY and replaced with Cupich? That’s pretty clever funning.

  20. No “A train” for Cupich? Such a pity. Then I guess he’ll have to be run outta town ON FOOT!!

  21. Why are you and your homophobia still on this forum?

  22. No, homophobes like you will be run off the face of the planet first.

  23. Google the Sermon on the Mount and cynicism of the Greeks to include traveling Greek cynics in Palestine in first century CE.

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