Vatican synod’s ‘war of words’ will have real-life consequences

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Pope Francis leads the opening mass for the synod of bishops on the family in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican October 4, 2015. Photo courtesy REUTERS/Alessandro Bianchi

Pope Francis leads the opening mass for the synod of bishops on the family in St. Peter's Basilica at the Vatican October 4, 2015. Photo courtesy REUTERS/Alessandro Bianchi

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VATICAN CITY (RNS) “Words create worlds,” as one archbishop put it, and if bishops pushing for new language on remarried Catholics and gays and lesbians carry the day it could reshape the church’s approach.

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  • @Bernardo,

    Jesus – if he existed – did not invent the Beatitudes.
    Jesus (the character) was reciting older literature from “The Testament of the Twelve Patriarchs” which was written 200 years before Jesus.

    The Testament is well-known, written by a Jewish sect and it has been translated. It provided a blueprint for Christianity. In other words, the entirety of the Jesus story was imagined and written long before Jesus was ‘born’.

    This is the full translation….
    http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/patriarchs-charles.html

  • “And if any one seeketh to do evil unto you, do well unto him, and pray for him, and ye shall be redeemed of the Lord from all evil.”

    200 years BEFORE JESUS the Jewish Patriarchs were saying, “Love your enemies.”

    We need to understand that Jesus (or at least much of his story and words) were written centuries before the Gospels and Paul.
    Paul borrows borrows heavily from these writings.

  • Bernardo

    And for a very thorough analysis of the authenticity of the Beatitudes, see
    http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb043.html , http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb059.html ,
    http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb048.html and
    http://www.faithfutures.org/JDB/jdb096.html

    “In discussing Luke’s version of this saying, and the Beatitudes in general, Luedemann [Jesus, 297] concludes:

    The earliest stratum of the beatitudes goes back to Jesus. This judgment is based on two observations: (a) the beatitudes form a much longer series in Matthew and there consist of ten individual blessings (Matt. 5.3-12); here we can already note processes of growth within the tradition (cf. Matt 5.7-9). (b) Luke 6.22/Matt 5.11-12 (cf. Thomas 68.1) are focused on the situation of the post-Easter community and are clearly of later origin.”

  • ben in oakland

    Here are some Vatican words used on gay people:

    Intrinsically, morally, objectively disordered.

    Grave moral EVILLLLLLLLLLLLL!

    Contrary to God’s plan.

    Lost touch with their humanity.

    Grave depravity.

    contrary to natural law.

    do not proceed from genuine and affective complementarity.

    Benedict: gay marriage is a threat to humanity. Allowing gay people to adopt is doing VIOLENCE to those children. (Better they should stay in a catholic orphanage with a recalcitrant priest in charge).

    Paprocki had a gay cootie exorcism.

    Cordileone: threat to hetero marriage.

    Unjust discrimination is not OK. But if we advocate it, it must be just discrimination– in all senses of the word “just”.

    ““Can we find a way of saying the same thing that, in fact, is positive, less alienating, less excluding and more accessible to many if not most people?” said Coleridge.

    Way to put a mountain of chocolate frosting on a mountain of bullbleep. Losing money and pew…

  • Since when you stop being a Catholic????

  • Doc Anthony

    Honestly? The Catholic clergy must now decide whether or not they actually believe their own Official Catechism of the Catholic Church. Sorry, we just don’t need any more GUMMY WORM CLERGY around here!!

    So if you’ve got a Bible and a Backbone, and you’re not ashamed of either one, then please stay and continue helping the people.

    But if you don’t have ’em, then it’s time for you to flat-out git outta town, and please take all the libbies with you. Now GIT !!!!

  • P. S. John

    In as much as language is powerful enough to create new vistas of life as is evidenced from the language of Vatican second Council, a new language is most welcome to deal with the persistent doctrinal problems!
    John P. S.

  • Mara319

    Jesus did exist before He was born. “In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.” He is the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end. He is God eternal.

    The Old Testament books tell of the longing of the ages for Him, the prefigurements and prophecies about Him.

  • Bernardo

    John 1:1- Has been judged to be historically nil by many contemporary NT scholars. Actually, all of John’s gospel is apparently historically nil.

    Some references:

    From Professor Bruce Chilton in his book, Rabbi Jesus,
    “Conventionally, scholarship has accorded priority to the first three gospels in historical work on Jesus, putting progressively less credence in works of late date. John’s Gospel for example is routinely dismissed as a source……”

    And from Professor Gerd Ludemann, in his book, Jesus After 2000 Years, p. 416, “Anyone looking for the historical Jesus will not find him in the Gospel of John. ”

    See also http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/john.html

  • Shawnie5

    And go to the Jewish section of the same website and you find this:

    “In any case, the text of the T12P as it lies before us now seems to be an attempt of a Christian in the second century to show Jews and Christians that the Jews were wrong in having rejected Jesus Christ as God’s Messiah and that their own famous forefathers had foretold their disobedience and had warned them, when they gave their final exhortation to their sons and instructed them to pass their teachings on to their children (and so on). Nevertheless, the Christian author (or redactor) of the T12P also points to the future salvation, not only of the (righteous) Gentiles (the Christians), but also of the people of Israel, as foretold by the Patriarch.”

  • Wade

    That’s what one goofy book says about him and there’s varied interpretations. Beware the man or woman of one book. Hows about you provide some proof!