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LDS Church rebukes Mormon white supremacists, who rebuke the Church right back

It’s been quite a few days. On Sunday, the LDS Church responded to white supremacist violence in Charlottesville with a loving and gentle reminder about the dangers of intolerance, which included a quotation from former Pres. Gordon B. Hinckley:

Almost immediately, members of the LDS alt-right seized upon this benign statement as — wait for it — confirming their racist view that white people need to be cherished and protected.

For example, Wife with a Purpose, who claims that she is neither part of the alt-right nor a white supremacist, yet has cheerfully issued a “white baby challenge” to return white America to its former dominance over other races, appropriated Pres. Hinckley’s words as confirming her own views.

So she interrupted her usual bizarre feed, which features a stream of memes of smiling white folks in traditional European dress and rants about whites being the underreported victims of black aggression, to fully position herself as in alignment with the LDS Church’s teachings on race.

Uh, not so fast.

It’s rare for the LDS Church to issue a clear and unambiguous smackdown to anyone. It’s rarer still for the Church to state openly that it is issuing said smackdown because its previous message was so blatantly and recklessly misunderstood. But here is what the Mormon Newsroom released about an hour ago:

Take that, Mormon alt-right.

Immediately afterward, Wife with a Purpose sallied back a string of tweets denouncing the Church’s statement.

If the Church denounced her, she was ready to denounce it right back, declaring that it had turned its back on its white members and she could no longer be part of such a racist organization. (Um, please let it be true that she is resigning? I have been good all year and would gladly accept that for Christmas in lieu of the previously requested pony. Thank you.)

I’m glad to see the LDS Church come out swinging on this issue. If we’ve learned anything in the last week, it’s that folks who say they just want to “celebrate” white culture do so at the expense of every other race under the sun; their claims that they just want to quietly honor their own people without doing damage to anyone else are a bunch of horseshit. Excuse my Mormon French.

And the official LDS Church is not the only Mormon group speaking out. Tonight, an op ed will appear in the Salt Lake Tribune directly taking on the ongoing problem of racism in the Mormon community. The Mormon alt-right is a very extreme and tweetable version of it, but other stubborn forms exist.

Joanna Brooks, a Mormon author and scholar who is helping to put together this effort, says it’s being spearheaded by “LDS scholars and anti-racism advocates” who have put together “a very practical resource addressing racism and what we can do to take on white supremacy and racism in the white community.” I gladly signed my name.

If you want to get informed about racism in the Mormon world and do something about it, check out their website at shouldertothewheel.org. The effort will be launched formally this fall, but this gives a peek of some things you can do to educate yourself and put a stop to the pernicious efforts of white supremacists.


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Evening update: There’s a terrific post by historian Benjamin Park about today’s announcement from the Church here. An excerpt: “But perhaps just as important, it was a direct attack on so-called ‘white culture.’ This is one of the rare instances where the Church went beyond what was expected. It even placed ‘white culture’ in scare quotes, implying that such cultural categories are artificial constructions and ‘not in harmony’ with LDS teachings. . . this stance is quite progressive when compared to most official official positions. And since it was presented by the Newsroom–in many ways, whether good or not, the most authoritative organ of the modern Church–it carries substantial power.”

 

 

 

 

 

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Jana Riess

Senior columnist Jana Riess is the author of many books, including "The Prayer Wheel" (Random House/Convergent, 2018) and "The Next Mormons: How Millennials Are Changing the LDS Church" (Oxford University Press, 2019). She has a PhD in American religious history from Columbia University.

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  • It’s interesting to see all these condemnations of racism from religions that are still in the shadow of their own racist past.

  • Methinks the church leadership has already forgotten its own recent racist past, not to mention those troubling passages in the Book of Mormon about God cursing sinful people with dark skin. How about including a forceful apology with all forceful denunciations of racism and racist ideologies?

  • Methinks the Church has just proven it has done a much better job of rising above its “racist past” to actually embrace all cultures better than certain other areas in this nation. The WHOLE COUNTRY was deeply mired in racism, not just the Church, but at least the Church has come out firmly against such things, and its leaders soundly and firmly condemn it in the here-and-now. Compare that to Trump.

    Sorry, but if you’re actually going to try and go after the current church leadership for the church’s past, then you had better aim the same criticism towards the entire country, which is at least equally guilty of such a past if not more so. And if you can’t even accept the betterment of a culture without dredging up its past as an excuse to berate them with it, then that is on you, not them. Talk about holding a grudge. Believe it or not, it’s a lot easier for people to get past things and move on when other people AREN’T holding their past over their heads and bringing it up every time they try to do better.

  • The initial statement the Church put out was very Trump like in its blandness. That is why this racist women was able to run with it. It seems the Church does not like to be forceful unless they are beating up on Gay People. This new statement is much better but leaders could and should do more-far more. They can denounce our racist past. They can speak out on specific cases and mention West Virginia by name and call out Trump for his racism.If they are going to be prophets, they need to act like those of old and fear not. As a Church we have racist sciptures from Joseph Smith and racist doctrines and practices that we have never owned up to. Let us clean our house so we can be examples to others.

  • Fair point, but I think this will help shine the light brightly that will expose those dark shadows and insure that they are not used to darken the minds of future generations as some have tried to do.

  • How does this carry any moral weight when I am still labeled as dark and loathsome and hoping to be white and delightsome someday. You can not short-circuit the process of institutional expiation to score PR points with involuntary and reactive press releases.

  • It’s good to see the LDS church denouncing racism and hatred. However, it’s interesting that apparently, it took the church until 1978 to discover the passage at 2 nephi 26:33.

  • Really!

    What delicate snowflakes these rightist of the whitest are– or is it the whitest of the rightist? All of these wingers are just so under attack by everyone. Christians are under attack by everyone not Christian, but especially atheists and mooslims. Heterosexuals are under attack by gay people, and will soon not reproduce themselves out of existence. White people are under attack by the not-so-pale, so much so that their culture and heritage, which is only theirs and no one else’s, is in danger of being wiped out.

    Danger! Danger! Danger, Will Robinson. But only white Will. Black will need not apply.

    “I have no right to my heritage or culture.” What “heritage”? What “culture”? Who is saying that you must get black married, or gay married, or Muslim married? Who
    Is brainwashing your children, apart from the public school down the block wherein all of the people you fear and despise will sit alongside your children and learn the same thing?

    Like so many wingers, it sounds like your heritage and culture are comprised of hate, fear, ignorance, and despite, of walled cities where only the “right” people– in all senses of the word– are allowed in, all others must be kept out, lest your master race be contaminated, nay, worse–mongrelized– by the objects of your fear and despite.

    Now, where have we heard that sentiment before?

    If that is your culture and your heritage, I would suggest that your children would be better off not raised in such an atmosphere.

    Not all bigotry is hate. So much of it is what you so perniciously take pride in: a completely unwarranted faith in your self assigned, completely imaginary superiority, nestled within your despite like a maggot in an apple, and desperately afraid that someone will see how rotten it is.

  • “White supremacist attitudes are morally wrong and sinful.” With that short and unequivocal comment, the LDS Church has fully placed itself on the right side of the issue. If that means some its members will seek refuge elsewhere, that can only strengthen the Church.

  • I am of Korean and Mexican heritage. I believe the point “Wife With Purpose” is trying to make is not being heard and understood. I agree with her that there is a real problem with reverse-racism towards white people and “white culture”. I found nothing in what I have read about her statements as disparaging toward any non-white race. She is simply making a point that even whites should be respected and allowed to celebrate their own heritage, as other races have pressed for the same right.

  • That will never happen in an honest way–in part, because recent top-ranking church members have expressed racism–Ezra Taft Benson, for example, or Bruce McConkie. Religious organizations are not terribly upset about denouncing racism and “bad ideas” they propagated, as long as they can avoid responsibility for the statements and actions of their own top-ranking folks.

  • Isn’t this explicit denunciation an important step in the institutional expiation of racism you are asking for?
    As a non-Mormon who recently read the Book of Mormon, I must admit I was disturbed by the recurrent theme that God has repeatedly assigned groups of people a skin color as a sign of God’s favor or disfavor. Of course one should look to other language in the BOM about God not being a ‘respector of persons’ to get a more healthy view. However, In talking to local LDS friends about what I was reading, its clear that at least until recently, at least several local wards were teaching people about dark skin being a divine curse (as in 2 Nephi 5:21)
    I think this LDS statement, and denunciations like Jana’s will be very helpful to the majority of LDS people, who are working to move toward full racial tolerance and love.

  • Is there a culture to be proud of (cultures, really, considering regional variations), whose members are primarily white? Absolutely. Is it under attack from many in this country? Absolutely. Is it “white” culture? Absolutely not! Culture is not a genetically heritable trait, it is open to any race.

  • Oh, it’s being heard and understood, but not by you. White people, of which I am one, and their heritages and cultures are respected. (They are always plural. If they are not, tread carefully.) They are also critiqued, but there is nothing wrong with that. Not everything in everyone’s heritage, regardless of race, should be emulated. There is nothing worthy to be found in racism, or any other version of white supremacy. Her reaction to the LDS church should have been your starting point. I’m sure its not an aberration.

  • The “dark and loathsome” would have been Mesoamerican and the “white and delightsome” would have been Middle-east/Semitic. Neither had anything to do with Northern European White or African Black. And by shortly before Christ’s birth the Nephites and Lamanites were close enough in appearance that Nephites could pass as Lamanites if they kept their mouths shut.

  • By Today’s standards, Brigham Young was racist, but by the standards of his day, he was rather progressive about race.

  • “folks who say they just want to “celebrate” white culture do so at the expense of every other race under the sun;” why is that? Does the reverse hold true?
    That when, say, blacks celebrate their culture that other cultures suffer? Or Greeks? Or Native Americans?
    I love going to other culture and religions festivals and feel enriched by them and so glad that I live in a melting pot. And I don’t feel that these cultural celebrations make any other culture “less than”. It appears to me that wifewithapurpose loves her Scandinavian culture. Is that racist?
    I don’t understand.
    This is an honest question, not a point of argument.

  • Your statement *may* be true–I’d like to see the evidence.

    HOWEVER, there is a big difference between issuing a statement “condemning racism” and controlling the statements–and actions–of your own people, and in that, the LDS “church” has failed miserably. I could give you a history of all kinds of racist statements by high-ranking LDS folks–including presidents–that were never challenged.

    Great example: the entry on “Negroes” in a previous edition (now unavailable, of course) of McConkie’s Encyclopedia of Mormonism. I made sure to photocopy that entry because I knew it would simply disappear after 1978,

    That comment by that LDS leader (his name escapes me at this monent) that “some things that are true are not useful” is extremely revealing.

  • Culture isn’t genetically transmitted. That ‘Western culture’ that goes back through Western Europe, Rome, the Hellenistic world, Greece, and the Middle East is the culture of black people in the US as well as white people, and the culture of everyone else who lives here.

  • I have been reflecting on the phrase “white culture”. I have been trying to discern whether I can identify a culture that I belong to purely by virtue of being white. For there to be a “white culture” surely there would need to be a shared heritage, a set of values and traditions shared by all white people. Well I can’t identify one. I am part of a culture by virtue of being LDS. I am part of a culture by being British. I would struggle to define even a “European culture” let alone alone a “white culture” because of the diversity within that group. What shared history, experiences, attitudes do the Laps of Finland have with the Slavs of Ukraine, and how similar is their culture to the Greeks or to the Dutch? To try to identify something called “white culture” you really need to focus on nothing at all but skin tone and there is a word for that.

  • “…religions that are still in the shadow of their own racist past.”

    What does this even mean?

  • It’s not racist to love her Scandinavian culture, whatever that means.

    It is racist to insist that other peoples cultures are a threat to hers, that brown people threaten white people by existing. Just like it is bigoted to insist hat if gay people are treated the same as straight people, that is an attack on straight people.

  • Who knew that skin pigmentation had a culture? This is ridiculous. Do eye colors have a culture? Hair colors have a culture? How about height cultures or weight cultures or big ear cultures? It is a physical characteristic, not a culture. The determination to make the quantify of pigmentation or some other physical characteristic equal to culture is part of the problem–a cultural problem we need to get over already.
    From the time I was a child I could not understand why the South had these monuments to men who refused to let go a culture built on the death and captivity of millions. Now that I am older, I sort of get it. It is a reminder of their heritage and how they came to be who they are–a part of them like a child with a bad parent who still needs to understand and honor and look for some good part of how they were born, themselves. It can be a deep psychological response. My own ancestors include many royals and nobility from Europe. There are many monuments to them–and many of these men and women were brutal to their own people subjecting them to death and captivity–without any interest in pigmentation or race! I look at their palaces built with the blood and treasure they exacted in a most terrible way. I am both sickened and awed by it. Most ancient monuments and leaders are reprehensible by the standards of the culture I adhere to and believe in, and yet I am reluctant to say they must all be torn down. Lest we forget and make some terrible choices again. And yet, does it give glory to evil and inspire the hearts of terrible people to be terrible again if they are left standing? I am not sure. But what I am sure of, is that we must have a culture where the content of one’s character rather than the color of one’s skin is what we see. Where pigmentation matters not at all. Where life and liberty and forgiveness are the culture. Where people look to lift other people without regard to skin or national origin. That would be a truly superior culture. Okay, back to the race wars.

  • Thank you for clarifying so succinctly! Culture can be many colors…..but color in itself is not a culture. Italian, Asian, Canadian, African = cultures. White, yellow, red, black = skin color…but NOT culture.

  • And, that makes Brigham’s racism all right? Supposedly, Jesus and the Holy Ghost could say, “Brigham, my son, stop talking smack about the blacks, you are my representative on Earth. You are going to make me look really bad and some will read the Journal of Discources, and say, ‘why didn’t Jesus tell Brigham that racism is not ok, and rebuke Brother Brigham. Hey, Brigham was called a prophet of god. Would you talk like an ignoramus against blacks had you been with me in person?”

  • Now that the LDS has denounced racism, perhaps they could take the first steps to reducing another serious”ism:” namely sexism. The LDS priesthood is still restricted to humans with XX sex chromosomes. Time for a change.

  • This is my personal view on the matter: God was more trying to keep the cultures separated than anything else. He could’ve done a whole lot to make the Lamanites different from the Nephites, like made them all walk with a limp, or missing an arm, or have a disease. Instead, He made them have slightly more pigment in their skin. Plus, the Book of Mormon talks about them hunting animals and eating nothing but raw meat, and wearing very little — great way to get a tan. So I guess the real curse was the culture and the lack of belief that the lamanites grew up in.

  • Wingers! Are we prejudiced against folks with wings now?!?!

    US English = whining
    UK English = whinging

    To complain or protest, especially in an annoying or persistent manner.

    Sorry, I couldn’t resist winging about your misspelling whining/whinging.

    Your ever faithful LGBT Snowflake 🙂

  • It’s pretty straight forward, many US churches have racist pasts and some have only recently taken steps to renounce those pasts. One which very much had a culture of institutional racism was the LDS Church. I remember when I was in 10th grade in CA, an LDS classmate was so insistent on the inferiority of African Americans, because of the Church’s teaching on Blacks and the Priesthood, that he very vocally once stated that if he were to ever have an organ transplant and later found out that the donor was Black, that he would rip it out with his bare hands and die on the spot.

    The Southern Baptist Convention came into existence because of desegregation. Blacks were not allowed in So Baptist Churches. The denomination only recently vocally repented of that stance and heritage.

  • Redheads very much have a Ginger culture and are rightly proud of it! ;p

    BTW, very few of those monuments were raised after the US Civil War. Most of those are appropriately in cemeteries where Confederate soldiers are buried, Such as the one dating from 1926 here in Seattle in the same cemetery where Jimi Hendricks is buried. The monuments on courthouse & city hall lawns and in prominent parks and traffic circles, were raised by white racists in connection with US steps to end segregation and to extend civil rights to people of color. Many date only to the 1950s & 60s.

  • Elder Marvin J Ashton said something similar, but not in relation to the LDS Church’s past. It had to do with getting along with others and not gossiping;

    “Wise is the (person) who says what should be said, but not all that could be said.”

    This has always stuck with me!

  • That’s the special thing about LGBT snowflakes.

    we don’t melt.

    One of my favorite pictures to post, where I can, is a picture of a rainbow flag, with the caption,

    “In case you haven’t noticed, this flag isn’t white!”

  • It took until around 1995 for the southern baptists to renounce and apologize for slavery and Jim Crow– about 150 years after they were founded in support of slavery.

  • Religious organizations seem to understand that there are some times and circumstances when you issue a statement condemning (or supporting) what needs to be condemned/supported, but worded *very* carefully.

    The Catholic church, as an organization, is similar. A wonderful example is its statements condemning anti-Semitism. People read those statements and applaud them, but they always carefully avoid addressing the real issues, such as how *Vatican officials* were guilty, why it took so long to address the issues, etc.

  • Yes, exactly, 1995. And up to that point, many So Baptist churches, such as that infamous one in Texas–?” First Baptist?–were proudly, openly, loudly racist.

  • If you think it is acceptable to label, discriminate, and/or repress other children of God and call it “culture”, I don’t want to be affiliated with you. Bye Felicia.

  • It isn’t straight forward; the language that Jim Johnson used is vague metaphorical fluff. In the case of the LDS Church, it changed its race policies nearly four decades ago. Since then, it has condemned racism publicly and emphatically. So two questions: what does it mean to say that the LDS Church, as an institution, is “still in the shadow”? And what else does it take for an institution to come out from the “shadow,” whatever that term is supposed to mean?

  • Yes, I thought that it was very straight forward! I didn’t find it vague or metaphorical.

    It hasn’t been that long since the LDS Church renounced its racist past as an institution. 40 years isn’t long to me. A Church or other religious body is actually its people. There are still members of the LDS Church who didn’t buy into the institutional change, are still racist and may be until they die. For me the LDS Church will still be in the shadow of its racist past until the racist generations have died out and haven’t been successful in infecting their offspring with racism.

    I know Mormons who were racist in the late 60s when we were in high school together and who remain racist today, in spite of Spencer W Kimball’s revelation. That is the long reach of the shadow.

    YMMV

  • BYU, hooray, because Brigham was more forward thinking and less innocuous than the other racists of his day!

  • In my opinion God’s dark and loathsome is evil. Of
    Often when there is evil around most refer to that person as dark. Evil equates to loathsome. It does not apply to someone who is naturally darker.

  • Does this lady’s heritage include making African American’s live under “jim crow” laws, step off the sidewalk when passing a “White” person, be lynched for any imagined offense to White rights? If so, then her heritage doesn’t seem to me to include any part of Christianity.

  • Except the Church only announced that their reasoning was likely racist (banning blacks from the Priesthood was not doctrinal) only three years ago (until then, it was understood and taught differently).

  • Yes it is! And once people discover that there is no revelation (at least not the kind Joesph Smith had), in fact no LDS President has had the same relationship with God, they may have to relook at the whole kit n caboodle… I find that equally intriguing.

  • folks who say they just want to “celebrate” white culture do so at the expense of every other race under the sun; their claims that they just want to quietly honor their own people without doing damage to anyone else are a bunch of horseshit…”
    Talk about ‘horseshit’!
    Diversity is code word for Anti-White

  • There is no “white culture.” There are various European cultures, which people maintain for their children. If nobody did that for her, I’m sorry. The current dominant political culture is bankrupt, but that’s a shared problem, not unique to people of European descent. It has nothing to do with intimidating others of any race or religion.

  • Unless Johnson meant a literal “shadow,” the language was metaphorical. This is not controversial.

    And I appreciate your chiming in, sort of, and answering Jim Johnson’s question for him. But unless he has told you what he meant, I’d rather hear how he defines his own terms and metaphors.

  • Uh huh….

    Is this how you usually discuss subjects online: unjustified – and false – accusations against perfect strangers? No thanks.

  • That’s true. We should add that a number of different explanations have been given over the years, so it was “taught differently” multiple times. None of those explanations were good. Then, before the recent Church essay, President Hinckley refused to give explanations during interviews; his go-to response was to say he didn’t know why the Church had established the ban. That was a commendable distancing from those older explanations, in my opinion, if he was not confident in concluding racism as the explanation.

  • I’m guessing Ayla will make a great spiritual wife for a Lamanite or two since her husband isn’t LDS.

  • Goshes, Roy. I’m not anti white. I AM white. And yet, I believe in diversity: race, Faith, ethnicity, national origin, sexual orientation, all of it.

    I just don’t know how to explain me.

    Maybe diversity doesn’t mean anti white. Maybe it really means that despite the protests of people who just really don’t want to share the planet, the country, or even the neighborhood with peoplenot exactly like them, we all live here, and we all have a right to live here.

    You– not YOU personally of course– might just be a fascist if your biggest problem is complete strangers you don’t know, know nothing about, and who have done you and intend you no harm.

  • Just because an institution changes a policy of racism and prejudice doesn’t mean it goes away. It remains for generations. That is the shadow the LDS and southern churches are still under.

  • A good look at the timeline for Black LDS history can be found here: http://www.blacklds.org/history

    For the 1958 statement, it was from Joseph Fielding Smith in “Answers to Gospel Questions”:

    “No church or other organization is more insistent than The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, that the Negroes should receive all the rights and privileges that can possibly be given to any other in the true sense of equality as declared in the Declaration of Independence. They should be equal to ‘life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.’ They should be equal in the matter of education. They should not be barred from obtaining knowledge and becoming proficient in any field of science, art or mechanical occupation. They should be free to choose any kind of employment, to go into business in any field they may choose and to make their lives as happy as it is possible without interference from white men, labor unions or from any other source. In their defense of these privileges the members of the Church will stand.”

    Beyond that, expecting all LDS leaders from the beginning of the Church to not have made any racist statements is absurd, just like expecting the same for the heavy-weights in US history such as Jefferson and Lincoln.

  • 1. That site *appears* to be run by Mormons, therefore it is unreliable as a source of accurate info. If I am not mistaken, there is something in Mormon culture called “Lying for the Lord”, so I would be much happier to see a timeline of LDS/Black history from a more trustworthy source, i.e. one not dedicated to protecting the church at all costs.

    2. Years ago, I read the entry on NEGROES in a book by Bruce McConkie called “Mormon Doctrine” or “Encyclopedia of Mormonism” or something like that. This entry included the most preposterous nonsense about why Negroes were denied the priesthood.

    Later, a post-1978 edition replaced the edition I had read (tho the pub date was cleverly obscured). I was interested to note that the entry on “Negroes” disappeared entirely.

    Not only that, but much more significantly, I was unable to find ANY discussion of the “African-Americans-barred-from-priesthood” business. That of course is understandable, indeed predictable: the church was clearly embarrassed by the whole business, so elected to ignore it.

    A propos of this, SEE ALSO: Packer, Boyd, “that which is true is not necessarily useful.”

  • I believe it’s called “political correctness”.

    All religions and denoms have come very late to the position of denouncing racism or hatred of any kind. For example, it took the Southern Baptists till 1995!

  • I agree with most of what you say, except for one thing: I don’t think the church has “forgotten” at all about its own past. It’s very well-aware of it–which is why it discourages study of its own history, and, indeed, why, like Winston Smith in *1984*, it attempts to re-write history.

  • Doug, do you realize how damaging your statement is to the church?

    The church claims some sort of divine inspiration or divine guidance from god. So how come it took god till 1978 to give the leaders that “revelation”?

  • So you are claiming that Joseph Fielding Smith didn’t say what I quoted in 1958? Beyond that, did you even bother to look through the timeline I linked to?

  • Why didn’t God give a similar revelation to the first generations of Christians condemning slavery? God does what He does in His own time for His own reasons, not ours. Perhaps it was because enough of us didn’t ask with a sincere heart, perhaps having a temporary priesthood ban in place was generally beneficial.

    IMHO we are never going to know the exact circumstances around the institution of the priesthood ban. What we do know is that a great deal of theology grew up around it (some of it rejected by the General Authorities, some of it contradicting scripture) that turned out to be utter nonsense. The same thing happened with polygamy, turning it from a temporary necessity to a universal good.

  • My question “why didn’t god…” was intended to be ironic, or sarcastic, or one of those things.

    The answer to my question is simple: god does not exist. The idea of god is a total fiction. It’s a fiction that some people use for a variety of reasons, one of which is the attempt to gain power over the behavior of others. The LDS “church” is a wonderful illustration of that idea.

  • Umm, just where do you see me denying that the claim was not made?

    I did not bother to read anything in that link, since it appeared to be operated by Mormons, and it has been well-documented that Mormons will lie to protect their church.

    I thought I had posted a link to an article on this subj at utlm.com.

  • A propos statements from the LDS church decrying racism, and discussions below:

    I googled “lying for the Lord”. On the first 2 pages of the results, just about every hit was LDS-related!

    In a way, I feel sorry for the LDS church. I’d really like to believe what it says, but let’s face it, its most enthusiastic members have totally destroyed its credibility.

  • Since you see no reason to believe anything I say, I don’t see any reason to waste time discussing anything with you. Enjoy your echo chamber.

  • Nope. “Diversity” is code for “diversity.” Only a conspiracy nut would see otherwise. It’s what you get for surrounding yourself with only white people and letting hysteria replace reason. I live in a rural county of California that has a pretty high percentage of white people for California, about 55%. White folks, like me, are only about 45% of the state population or the largest minority group in a very diverse state. I never think about race when I am exercising at the gym where a whole lot more guys of color pump iron and keep themselves in shape than do the beer-belly white majority of our community. So, how about setting down that six pack and going to the gym to work on earning a different six-pack. You could even make friends with some guys of color while getting that pasty body of yours in shape. I know I have.

  • What is it, exactly, that has not gone away? You’re suggesting that a significant portion of LDS members in the US are racist? What percentage? What’s your evidence?

  • Priesthood is restricted in the LDS church to those with XY chromosomes – XX is female.

  • OOPS. I can’t believe I wrote “XX.”
    I had intended “XY.”
    But either way, IMHO, it is evil.

  • It is an Absolute Fact that the Cult of the lds has 0 yes 0 yes 0 men of Color in the United States in the top 3 tiers of this so called religion. R A C I S T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • What has not gone away is the Bible, the Book of Mormon or any of the openly racist statements from Brigham Young, Spencer Kimball and others. Until the Church starts putting asterisks by those statements with explanations about how they are wrong, reasonable members can conclude that God does believe people with dark skin to be inferior. Most members, in my experience, desperately don’t want to be racist, but they also believe in the scriptures and the prophets, putting them into a bind.

  • The Church has stated its position clearly. I don’t know any member, personally, who feels confused on the issue. If you know any, you can direct them to the Church’s recent statements.

  • It’s kind of besides the point, though. I’m pretty sure that the Church would have made the same statement, more specifically, about European-American culture.

    Is there less diversity among African-Americans than among European-Americans, such that you would find it less difficult to define an African-American culture than you would a European-American culture?

  • You wrote that, quote: “I never think about race when I am exercising at the gym where a whole lot more guys of color pump iron and keep themselves in shape than do the beer-belly white majority of our community.”

    CURRENT OBESITY RATES AMONG ADULTS BY RACE AND ETHNICITY (2011-2012) https://stateofobesity.org/disparities/

    ALL ADULTS: 34/9%
    BLACK: 47.8%
    LATIN: 42.5%
    WHITE: 32.6%

    ? DROP.

  • American Jewess Barbara Lerner Spectre, moved to Sweden and founded Paideia – The European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden. In a 2010 interview with Israeli IBA-News Barbara Lerner Spectre stated:
    “Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think WE are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that THEY once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. THEY are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of OUR leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.” https://youtu.be/MFE0qAiofMQ

    Wesley Clark stated: “There is no place in modern europe for ethnically pure states, that’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.” https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/1999/kosovo-and-far-right

    Wesley Clark stated: “There is no place in modern europe for ethnically pure states, that’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.” https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/1999/kosovo-and-far-right

    — Oh look, another (((COHENcidence))).

    (((Wesley Clark))) told The Jewish Week in New York, that his ancestors were not just Jews, but members of the priestly caste of Kohens. http://www.jta.org/2003/09/17/life-religion/features/wesley-clarks-jewish-roots

    Jewish American General Wesley Clark, led the 78 day NATO bombing of Orthodox Christian Serbia, in 1999 which tore away Serbia’s Orthodox Christian heartland, Kosovo and handed it over to the Narco, organ trafficking Islamic Albanian KLA. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/14/kosovo-prime-minister-llike-mafia-boss

  • Yascha Mounk, is a German born (Jewish) Lecturer on Political Theory at Harvard University’s Government Department, who was interviewed on German state run TV about why “evil right wing populists” are on the rise in Germany and Europe.

    Yascha Mounk gives three reasons and either intentionally or accidentally admits, quote: “We’re trying a historically unique experiment: Transforming a mono-ethnic, mono-cultural society into a multi-ethnic one.”

    WATCH: Harvard Elite Insider Yascha Mounk Admits Turning European Countries Multi-Ethnic Is An Experiment. https://youtu.be/_4EZpUb9CJU

  • (((Ben in Oakland))), you are Jewish. Jews refer to White European Neo-Nazis as “anti-Semites” that wouldn’t make any sense if there was no difference between a Jew and a European. WATCH: Jews gather to sing “I’m not White, I’m Jewish” https://youtu.be/3XYMRAoqVmY

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/russian-speakers-who-want-to-immigrate-could-need-dna-test/
    A number of people from the former Soviet Union wishing to immigrate to Israel could be subjected to DNA testing to prove their Jewishness, the Prime Minister’s Office said Sunday. The policy was reported in Maariv on Monday, one day after the Israeli paper revealed that a 19-year-old woman from the former Soviet Union was required to take the test to qualify for a Birthright Israel trip. https://www.timesofisrael.com/teen-told-she-cant-join-birthright-without-dna-test/

    Medical geneticist Harry Ostrer insists the ‘biological basis of Jewishness’ cannot be ignored. http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664

  • http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/04/07/the-eu-has-revealed-its-true-nature-a-federalist-monster-that-wi/
    The EU has revealed its true nature: a federalist monster that will not stop until nations are abolished. At the entrance to the Visitors Centre of the European Parliament, there is
    a plaque with the following words written by British diplomat Philip Kerr, later the Marquess of Lothian:

    National sovereignty is the root cause of the most crying evils of our times….The only final remedy for this evil is the federal union of the peoples.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/10559458/We-want-a-United-States-of-Europe-says-top-EU-official.html
    Diplomat Philip Kerr’s addiction to federalism is shared by the EU today, hence the special place given to his chilling utterance. Viviane Reding, vice president of the European Commission and the longest serving Brussels commissioner, has called for “a true political union” to be put on the agenda for EU elections this spring.

    “We need to build a United States of Europe with the Commission as government and two chambers – the European Parliament and a “Senate” of Member States,” she said.

  • https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8207411/European-Commission-criticised-for-omitting-Christmas-on-EU-school-diary.html
    The European Commission has come under fire for producing more than three million copies of an EU diary for secondary schools which contains no reference to Christmas but includes Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and Muslim festivities.

    More than 330,000 copies of the diaries, accompanied by 51 pages of glossy information about the EU, have been delivered to British schools as a “sought after” Christmas gift to pupils from the commission.

    While the euro calendar marks Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish and Chinese festivities as well as Europe Day and other key EU anniversaries, there are no Christian festivals marked, despite the fact Christianity is Europe’s majority religion. https://youtu.be/72KbeqN7pZ4

  • The UN’s special representative for migration, Peter Sutherland, stated that the EU should “do its best to undermine” the “homogeneity” of its member states. http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395

    The UN’s special representative for migration, Peter Sutherland, told the House of Lords EU home affairs sub-committee: “The United States, or Australia and New Zealand, are migrant societies and therefore they accommodate more readily those from other backgrounds than we do ourselves, who still nurse a sense of our homogeneity and difference from others. And that’s precisely what the European Union, in my view, should be doing its best to undermine.

  • https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oh-susanna-songwriter-s-statue-removed-amid-criticism-n869321
    A 118-year-old statue of the “Oh! Susanna” songwriter was removed from a Pittsburgh park Thursday after criticism that the work is demeaning because it includes a slave sitting at his feet, plucking a banjo. — This will not stop until white Americans are utterly extirpated from the land they built. https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/989664412347846659

    The EU should “do its best to undermine” the “homogeneity” of its member states, the UN’s special representative for migration, Peter Sutherland has said. Read more here: http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-18519395
    LET THAT SINK IN! The UN’s special representative on migration, Peter Sutherland, stated that the EU should deliberately use immigration from the 3rd world to undermine Europe’s racial demographics. So much for White peoples culture, and heritage are being respected.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8207411/European-Commission-criticised-for-omitting-Christmas-on-EU-school-diary.html
    The European Commission has come under fire for producing more than three million copies of an EU diary for secondary schools which contains no reference to Christmas but includes Jewish, Hindu, Sikh and Muslim festivities. While the euro calendar marks Muslim, Hindu, Sikh, Jewish and Chinese festivities as well as Europe Day and other key EU anniversaries, there are no Christian festivals marked, despite the fact Christianity is Europe’s majority religion.

  • This is only makes sense if the nonsense you keep telling telling yourself makes sense. But it doesn’t.

    I simply don’t understand how you want to create a world around you, and inside your head, filled with so much nonsense, hate, fear, and misunderstanding.

    Maybe you should take another long hard look at the Chi-Rho. Obviously, White Jesus isn’t getting through to you.

  • The article, “Not Jewish Enough to Marry a Cohen,” published by the Israeli Haaretz news website, discusses how a Jewish lady named Irina Plotnikov immigrated to Israel from the former Soviet Union (FSU) in 1992, but was ruled ineligible to marry a Cohen by a rabbinic court in Jerusalem because her father is not Jewish. http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/not-jewish-enough-to-marry-a-cohen-1.150715

    Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish Congress, speaking before a rally in New York in 1938, said: “I am not an American citizen of the Jewish faith, I am a Jew. I am an American. I have been an American for sixty-three sixty-fourths of my life, but I have been a Jew for 4000 years. Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish people a race and we are a race.” [Wise (1938). Dr. Wise Urges Jews To Declare Selves As Such. New York Herald Tribune. June 13. p.12.]

  • One only need to look at historical documents, and scripture to see that, if anything, Jesus Christ and the Israelite peoples of the bible are described as White. The “Letter of Lentulus,” is an alleged eyewitness account of Jesus Christ, it describes Jesus Christ’s face as being a comely red and his eyes gray, clear and quick.” https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/images/c/cf/Anon-Publius_Lentulus.jpg

    KING DAVID is described as “RUDDY” in 1 Samuel 16:12, and 1 Samuel 17:42. The Lord Jesus Christ is a descendant of King David. Ruddy: adjective. (of a person’s face) having a healthy red colour: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ruddy

    The ISRAELITES are described as “WHITE” and “RUDDY” in Song of Solomon 5:10 “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.” In Revelation 1:14, JESUS CHRIST is described as having a HEAD that is “WHITE AS SNOW” (Head includes face). The Nazarites are described as being “purer than snow, WHITER THAN MILK,” in Lamentations 4:7. (Nazarites = ISRAELITES, Numbers 6:2)

  • One need only look at historical documents, and scripture to see that Jesus Christ and the Israelite peoples of the bible are described as White. The “Letter of Lentulus,” is an alleged eyewitness account of Jesus Christ, it describes Jesus Christ’s face as being a comely red and his eyes gray, clear and quick.” https://commons.orthodoxwiki.org/images/c/cf/Anon-Publius_Lentulus.jpg

    KING DAVID is described as “RUDDY” in 1 Samuel 16:12, and 1 Samuel 17:42. The Lord Jesus Christ is a descendant of King David. Ruddy: adjective. (of a person’s face) having a healthy red colour: https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/ruddy

    The ISRAELITES are described as “WHITE” and “RUDDY” in Song of Solomon 5:10 “My beloved is white and ruddy, the chiefest among ten thousand.” In Revelation 1:14, JESUS CHRIST is described as having a HEAD that is “WHITE AS SNOW” (Head includes face). The Nazarites are described as being “purer than snow, WHITER THAN MILK,” in Lamentations 4:7. (Nazarites = ISRAELITES, Numbers 6:2)

  • Not related but FYI, my friend

    (1) Sarah Jones, “Inside the Spectacular Implosion of Religion News Service: The country’s leading religious news wire hired a new publisher in 2016. Then it all fell apart”, The New Republic, April 27, 2018.

    (2) Stephanie Russell-Kraft, “As EIC of Religion News Service is ousted, staff fears loss of editorial control”, Columbia Journalism Review, April 27, 2018.

  • Why, BlobbyJoe or JoeBoob, which ever one of your two fake identities is writing today…

    Thank you for reminding me that I had already written a reply to your “fake
    Persecution” meme. I’ll save it in case I have to publish it again.

    Occasionally, you are useful.

  • And as far as YOU know.

    And as far as you KNOW.

    And as far RIGHT as you are.

  • Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey
    A kiddley divey too, wouldn’t you?

  • No other race of people has been and is as racist as white people, I think their hatred is genetic. Other races can never be safe among whites, they will kill soon or later, they will discriminate, them or their children after them, isn’t neo-naazi arising in USA and EU again.

  • White genocide where ? Are crazy ! You entitled to your own opinions but not your own facts. Read your history well. Typical ‘white privilege’ you even think that you are the victim, yet you are the most violent human race in modern history. You and Ian Smith murdered children and refugees in Mozambique.

    They are very aware of your racism but are they there because of necessity and desperation caused by poverty and division that the acts of the white men in Africa caused : colonialism : a lot of books have been written about this : from the roots of the genocide in Rwanda and the poverty and discrimination of black South Africans.

    Read the book, ‘How you Europe underdeveloped Africa’ W Rodney

    White people are Neanderthals – a sub-human at best – and this is science not an insult. You have no origins and no identity….the cancer of the human race.

  • Laura/ CHEAP SHOT AGAINST TRUMP. He has a far less ‘racist’ history than our church! Under his leadership, Black unemployment is at its lowest in recorded history, as also for Hispanics. He is fighting for the betterment of ALL Americans, first. Your lying liberalism stinks, and it seems you think your opinions are greater than God’s, because you “feel” better about your views than our actual history and the actual text of the Book of Mormon & P of GP. If the early leaders / prophets of the LDS faith were wrong, then on what leg can modern leaders stand? Come on, we teach about the ‘apostasy’, about changes to the gospel, as being the very reason for the Restoration. Yet you, and others like you, want to denigrate our foundation and Scriptures to align with ‘modern-progressive-humanism’. If you can’t at least give a reasonable reason for the change, the radical change from our original foundation on race that is in line with New and Old Scripture, without attacking our own foundation, … then go to an apostate group that will happily welcome you to their ranks in attacking everything ‘Mormon’ while cheering any changes to align with modern culture of the world.

  • The pendulum has swung, and I believe you are right … racism now means anyone or anything that values ‘whites’, that does not buy into the homogenizing of all races to do away with ‘whites’.

  • SO much misconception about slavery in America! Such a small percentage of whites ever had slaves / even free-blacks held black slaves! Lol. And yes, Irish immigrants, “indentured”-whites, these doubtless made up far more ‘slaves’ than blacks ever were. And lets not forget that it was blacks in Africa who rounded up and sold their fellow-blacks into slavery. And Muslims were far more prolific in carrying out black slavery, even castrating the males as a matter of course.

  • I’m sorry, but HOW exactly does promoting White procreation celebrate White culture quote ‘at the expense of every other race under the sun’? If any other race under the sun promoted their race’s procreation everyone would applaud and support them. But the dreaded White person does it and it’s crazy or racist?!? This and people like you are exactly why we are pushing so strongly for the right to love and promote our race. Because we are slowly being denied that right while every other race is allowed it. You are wrong for making this woman out to be crazy. Especially since if you replaced the word ‘White’ in her posts with ‘black’ or another minority, you and others like you would be fine with it. You’re hypocrites and White haters.

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