Novelist-as-theologian Marilynne Robinson is changing the way we think about Calvinism

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Guilt, Luthero-Calvinist style, could be blamed for this column, except that this forgiven Luthero-Calvinist sinner, when writing, favors pardon and freedom over guilt-obsession. Why might I be living at the edge of guilt this week? This is why: for the first time in hundreds of Sightings, here is a second-in-a-row treatment of the same topic. In this case, it is prompted by devotion to the voice of overt and unembarrassed “Calvinist-leaning” novelist Marilynne Robinson, who by her example actually inspired last week’s “Calvinism I,” though she was not mentioned or exegeted in that column. She deserves better, as do readers.

My lifelong love of fiction often gets suppressed when Sightings’s assignments deal with religion, and “the public understanding of religion.” Doesn’t that theme force preoccupation only with the non-fictional? No, or at least not all the time, including this week. Here is an open-faced confession of interest in Robinson’s fiction, along with an overt plug that readers of Sightings pay attention—or more attention—to Robinson. Not wanting to bore her already-faithful readers, we will spend only a moment visiting or revisiting her achievements, career, and noted reasons to read her when reflecting on the place of religion (in this case Calvinist varieties) in public, and personal, life.

For Robinson, the personal is public and the public is personal. In her four novels and more stories, few characters named with known proper nouns appear. The Idaho-born Iowan focuses on ordinarily unnoticed folk, to whom only ordinary things happen: things like giving birth, marrying, and engaging in the quiet rituals of daily living. Matthew Sitman in “Saving Calvin from Clichés,” an interview with Robinson, quotes her creation, the Iowa Calvinist minister John Ames from her novel Gilead, as “describing Calvin in ways rather similar to Robinson. ‘Calvin says somewhere that each of us is an actor on a stage and God is the audience’ [emphasis mine].”

Not only Iowa preachers but, one assumes, a majority of the world’s 1.8 billion non-Calvinist Christians (and many non-Christians) agree. Still, they need reminderers, and Ames and Robinson serve here. Interviewee Robinson reinforces Ames’s point by quoting Thérèse of Lisieux, who was not a novelist, Iowan, or Calvinist.

Robinson is sometimes accused of overlooking politics in her stories. Does she? “My politics,” she says, “and my religion as well, are based entirely on ordinary human lives. The creaky apparatus called politics shelters or oppresses or threatens these lives, and is therefore of interest.” In her work, politics is not gone, but simply relocated and reappraised. Cliché versions of Calvin suggest that he was just a gloomy Gus, inspirer of crabby Puritans, those major shapers of religious and other options in America, of whom H. L. Mencken famously said (and I paraphrase): they feared that someone, somewhere might be having a good time.

Robinson’s Calvin did more than inspire the “Protestant ethic,” which sociologist Max Weber credited to him. Is John Calvin really guilty of, or to be credited with, founding that ethic? Robinson: “Calvin’s social ethic insists on the reverence we owe one another. His sermons are full of attacks on greed and arrogance. His Geneva had public education for all children, boys and girls,” and his ethic of education included “the relief of the poor and refugees.”

In a recent essay in The New York Review of Books, Robinson, winner of most of the literary awards which come to mind except the Nobel—not yet, anyway—defines Calvin’s “humanism,” and expresses concern about the future of humanism in general. “If the rise of humanism was a sunrise, then in this present time we are seeing an eclipse. I take it to be a merely transient gloom, because [of] the work of those old scholars and translators and printers, the poets and philosophers they recovered and the poets and philosophers who came after them.” Now? “We have not lost them. We have only forgotten what they mean.” Then the novelist-as-theologian writes: “We are, as we have always been, dangerous creatures, the enemies of our own happiness. But the only help we have ever found for this, the only melioration, is in mutual reverance. God’s grace comes to us unmerited, the theologians say … And yet, the beautiful persists, and so do eloquence and depth of thought, and they belong to all of us because they are the most pregnant evidence we can have of what is possible in us.”

I hope readers can see from these too few references why Robinson is finding a place in the literary canon even as she is dusting off the portraits of John Calvin, who certainly merits “equal time” attention during this season of Reformation observances. Whom should we cite next: Thomas Aquinas? Maimonides?


  1. Martin Luther was a vicious Jew hater. I don’t understand how you could name a religion after him.

  2. Maybe because the Catholic Church, and ALL of Christinity were also viciuos Jew haters then. In 2017, I think the Catholic Church has done the best job of reconciliation.

  3. Summarizing: Luther, Calvin, Smith, Henry VIII, Wesley et al, were founders of Christ-based religions who also suffered from the belief in/hallucinations of “pretty wingy talking flying fictional thingie” visits and “prophecies” for profits analogous to the myths of Catholicism (resurrections, apparitions, ascensions and immaculate conceptions).

  4. I wonder…….have you read his book — “The Jew and their Lies?”

  5. And Jews love Christians………….right? How about Noel Ignatiev……..

  6. Are you serious? Literally millions of Jews have been murdered by Christians simply because they were Jews. How many Christians were murdered by Jews because of their religion?

  7. You’ve got to be joking…right. Stop watching Tv and the movies and read some books that are hard to find. Then figure out why they are hard to find.

  8. So did you read the book Mel? Tell me specifically what he lied about. Sure….are there some exaggerations……….but what specifically did he lie about.

  9. Ever hear of the Holodomor??? Lazar Kaganovich come to mind.

  10. “Some call it Marxism….I call it Judaism.” Rabbi Steven Wise.

  11. How about Isenhower’s Death Camps? Oh that’s right…the Germans deserved it right.
    Try reading — “HellStorm” by Thomas Goodrich. Or watch the documentary of the same name, considering you like movies and Tv.

  12. “Gruesome Harvest” is another must read.
    As well as “The Myth of German Villainy” by Benton Bradberry

  13. “exaggeration” is the wrong word. Luther doesn’t lie about anything. His tone, or his writing style might be slightly demonstrous however.

  14. Of course not. Why would I believe in a lie?

  15. The Furherbunker called. They want to know if you’ll be back for lunch

  16. Of course……….all your beliefs/theories about the Creation of the World…..Life After Death…………….all pure Science. Sure. Lack humility much?

  17. Life after death? Well as per Augustine and JPII, heaven and hell (if they exist at all) are spirit states. Any spirits visit you lately?


    Think infinity and recycling with the Big Bang expansion followed by the shrinking reversal called the Gib Gnab and recycling
    back to the Big Bang repeating the process on and on forever. Human life and
    Earth are simply a minute part of this chaotic, stochastic, expanding,
    shrinking process disappearing in five billion years with the burn out of the
    Sun and maybe returning in another five billion years with different life forms
    but still subject to the vagaries of its local star.

    And what we do know the end of human life: (from the fields of astrophysics, biology,biochemistry, archeology, nuclear physics, geology and the history of religion)

    1. The Sun will burn out in 3-5 billion years so we have a
    time frame.

    2. Asteroids continue to circle us in the nearby asteroid

    3. One wayward rock and it is all over in a blast of
    permanent winter.

    4. There are enough nuclear weapons to do the same job.

    5. Most contemporary NT exegetes do not believe in the
    Second Coming so apparently there is no concern about JC coming back on an
    asteroid or cloud of raptors/rapture.

    6. All stars will eventually extinguish as there is a limit to the amount of hydrogen in the universe. When this happens (100 trillion years?), the universe will go dark. If it does not collapse and recycle, the universe will end.

    7. Super, dormant volcanoes off the coast of Africa and under Yellowstone Park could explode cataclysmically at any time ending life on Earth.

    8. Many of us are part Neanderthal and/or

    Bottom line:
    our apocalypse will start between now and 3-5 billion CE. The universe
    apocalypse, 100 trillion years?‎

    Search for Paul, book by Professor JD Crossan

    Rabbi Paul, book by worProfessor Bruce Chilton

  18. The universe is going to end in 3 billion years?

    Great. now I have some thing else to keep me up at night.

  19. You’ll know we’re Christians by our love…

    Tra la la la…


  20. As long as some wayward asteroid does not hit us or Yellowstone does not explode. Sleep well.

  21. I couldn’t agree with you more.

    That’s why I expect to see so few so-called Christians, whether antisemites or Joe Barton of Ted Haggard or Pat Robertson or Wes Goodman, when I arrive in the heaven that I don’t believe in.

  22. Look it Up. Find a mirror. Either way, you won’t care.

  23. It is just very odd…………….I’m 50 years old and I have never ONCE met anyone who dislikes a jewish person simply because he is a jew. In every case, there were very good reasons. You ought to read Henry Ford’s book. Seriously read it.
    I don’t like Noel Ignatiev for the things he says about the Caucasian race. Does that make me an anti-Semite in your judgment?
    I don’t like Lazar Kaganovich for his role in the Holodomor — 60 Million white Ukrainians lost their lives. Does that make me an anti semite?
    I don’t like Eisenhower for his role in the German pow death camps following ww2. Does that make me….. well, you get the idea.

  24. You’ve never met anyone who simply dislikes someone because that person is a Jew?

    By your own statement, that Jewish person being a Jew is entirely irrelevant to the dislike being felt. And yet, the fact that that person is a Jew seems to come up anyway.

    It’s almost as if you are so convinced that you are right about THOSE PEOPLE that you don’t even give it a second thought that you are talking about THOSE PEOPLE.

    As a gay man and a Jew, i recognize exactly what is going on. It’s the same thing that enables Christians of a certain sort to tell me how much they love, Love, Love, Love me, but just hate my grievous, grievous sin, and my child molesting, disease spreading, family destroying, civilization declining, god despising, Morality corrupting,Christianity hating ways.

    And really! who could possibly find any hate in that?

  25. Oh I see………… Noel Ignatiev is fine by you. Lack humility much?

  26. Oh, I see……it’s really all about race! It’s not about religion! That certainly makes it better.

    And Noel Ignatiev! I can see why you hate him. It’s all about the whitesome and delightsome! Maybe he’s channeling joe smith, but backwards!

    But not about you.

    You can have whatever kind of a dark and fearful and writhing soul you wish, frightened of imaginary concepts like race and religion and someone being better than you– or worse, being your equal when you think they are less than you. You don’t see the fundamental(ist) flaw in your thinking, and you hate it that Ignatiev does.

    There is no white race, yellow race, brown race, or black race. Everyone has overrun everyone else for the last 6000-10,000 years. But be afraid of something that doesn’t exist except at the most superficial level– you might say skin deep.

    But you’re the one has to live with a soul like that, not me. I have wonderful friends coming over today, going back 30 and 40 years. The meal will be my usual fabulous turkey with cornbread stuffing.
    You have a good thanksgiving.

  27. In The Jewish Encyclopedia, under the heading “Balaam,” it says, “…the pseudonym
    ‘Balaam’ given to Jesus in Sanhedrin 106b and Gittin 57a.” Below are direct quotes from the Jewish Talmud, dealing with Jesus and Christians:
    ♦ Balaam [Jesus] fornicated with his jackass. (Sanhedrin 105ab)
    ♦ Jewish priests raised Balaam [Jesus] from the dead and punished
    him in boiling hot semen.(57a Gittin)
    ♦ She who was the descendant of princes and governors [The Virgin Mary] played the harlot with a carpenter (Sanhedrin 106a)
    ♦ [Jesus] was lowered into a pit of dung up to his armpits. Then a hard cloth was placed within a soft one, wound round his neck, and the two ends pulled in opposite directions until he was dead. (Sanhedrin 52b) Also, says they gave him four different executions in Sanhedrin 106a.176
    ♦ Hast thou heard how old Balaam [Jesus] was?”…bloody and deceitful men shall not live out half their days it follows that he was thirty-three or thirty-four years old. (Sanhedrin 106)
    ♦ Those who read the uncanonical books [New Testament] will have no portion in the world to come. (Sanhedrin 90a)
    ♦ Jews must destroy the books of the [Christians]. (Shabbath 116a)

    It is also important to note that the Universal Jewish Encyclopedia makes it very clear that the Talmud, not the Torah or Old Testament, is the supreme authority for Judaism.

    “Thus the ultimate authority for Orthodoxy is the Babylonian Talmud. The Bible itself ranks second to it in reality, if not in theory.” (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia, “Authority” pg. 637)

  28. Zionists publicly and ceremoniously burned hundreds of copies of the New Testament in Jerusalem on March 23, 1980. They were destroyed under the auspices of Yad Le’akhim, a Jewish religious organization subsidized by the Israeli Ministry of Religions.

    (2008) Orthodox Jews set fire to hundreds of copies of the New Testament in the latest act of violence against Christian missionaries in the Holy Land.

    MK Michael Ben Ari (National Union), a member of the Israeli parliament tore up a copy of the New Testament and threw it in the trash, an act that was apparently caught on camera.,7340,L-4257174,00.html

    UK rabbi-politician Shneur Odze burns Christian Bible, sparking ire.

    ♦ “Jews must destroy the books of the [Christians].” See Talmud, (Shabbath 116a)

    — Is this a (((COHENcidence)))???

  29. The views of former Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, Ovadiah Yosef, were republished by the official Jewish Telegraphic Agency, see below:
    ♦ “Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world; only to serve the People of Israel.”
    ♦ “Why are gentiles needed? They will work, they will plow, they will reap. We will sit like an effendi and eat,” he said to laughter during a weekly sermon.
    ♦ “With gentiles, it will be like any person: They need to die, but God will give them longevity. Why? Imagine that one’s donkey would die, they’d lose their money. This is his servant. That’s why he gets a long life, to work well for this Jew.
    “It is forbidden to be merciful to them. You must send missiles to them and annihilate them. They are evil and damnable. The Lord shall return the Arabs’ deeds on their own heads, waste their seed and exterminate them, devastate them and vanish them from this world.” — (Israel’s Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, Ovadiah Yosef.) ♦ “waste their seed” is a reference to Palestinian children.
    800,000 Israelies, or 16 percent of the Jewish population of that country—turned up to pay their respects at the funeral Chief Sephardic Rabbi of Israel, Ovadiah Yosef, making it the largest funeral in Israeli history. The man they chose to honour promoted wholesale genocide of the Palestinians.

  30. It speaks volumes that the below statement by a prominent Jewish religious leader could be printed in Jewish Week, the largest Jewish publication in the United States, without the Jewish community loudly, and publicly condemning the statement, and it speaks volumes that the Jewish religious leader in question, felt comfortable and confident enough that making such a murderous statement, (it turns out he was right) would not result in a resounding condemnation from the Jewish community in America.

    If a Jew needs a liver, can you take the liver of an innocent non-Jew passing by to save him? The Torah would probably permit that. Jewish life has an infinite value,” he explained. “There is something infinitely more holy and unique about Jewish life than non-Jewish life.” – (Chabad Lubavitch Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburgh in Jewish Week, the largest Jewish publication in the United States.)

    Interpol hunts two Israelis, Moshe Harel and Zaki Shapira, for Kosovo organ trafficking.

    — Is this a (((COHENcidence)))????

  31. The book Blood Ritual by Philip de Vier, evaluates historical claims of Jewish ritual murders of White Christian children that took place in Europe over several centuries.

    Saint Gabriel of Białystok was a six year old Russian boy murdered by Jews who drained him of his blood and used it in occult Jewish rituals. The six-year-old boy Gabriel was kidnapped from his home in the village of Zverki, 13 km from Zabłudów, Grodno Uezd (then Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, today’s Poland) during the Jewish Passover, while his parents, pious Orthodox Christians Peter and Anastasia Govdel, were away. Shutko, a Jewish arendator of Zverki, was accused of bringing the boy to Białystok, poking him with sharp objects and draining his blood for nine days, then bringing the dead body back to Zverki and dumping it.

  32. The following is a 1979 case of Jewish extremist anti-christian barbarity with all the hallmarks of a blood ritual. On November 29, 1979 Jewish Zionist extremists murdered Greek Orthodox Christian Father Philoumenos. They used a hatchet to butcher Archimandrite Philoumenos in the form of a cross. With one vertical stroke they clove his face, with another horizontal stroke they cut his cheeks as far as his ears. His eyes were plucked out. The fingers of his right hand were cut into pieces and his thumb was hacked off. These were the fingers with which he made the sign of the Cross.

    He was subsequently canonised as Greek Orthodox Christian Saint and Holy Martyr Philoumenos.

  33. 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:

    John 7:13 Howbeit no man spake openly of him for fear of the Jews.

    John 9:22 These words spake his parents, because they feared the Jews: for the Jews had agreed already, that if any man did confess that he was Christ, he should be put out of the synagogue.

    John 19:38 And after this Joseph of Arimathaea, being a disciple of Jesus, but secretly for fear of the Jews, besought Pilate that he might take away the body of Jesus: and Pilate gave him leave. He came therefore, and took the body of Jesus.

    John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

  34. I find it hypocritical that you focus on Christian views [condemnation] of homosexual lifestyles, but have nothing to say about similar views held in Judaism. You are a Jew, so you know of these views, but I don’t see you commenting about them, your entire focus is bashing Christianity.

    Donald Trump’s daughter, Ivanka, and her husband, Jared Kushner, are flouting their professed orthodox Jewish religion by advocating for the sins of homosexual behavior and “same-sex marriage,” several orthodox rabbis and traditional practitioners of Judaism told LifeSiteNews.

    Orthodox Jewish teaching, rooted in the Torah, the divine revelation to Moses in the first five books of the Old Testament, regards homosexual acts as an “abomination” (“detestable”) before a holy God. Homosexual unions, including the genderless redefinition of “marriage,” are believed to be sufficiently evil to warrant God’s destruction of whole societies that allow them.

    “To countenance homosexual ‘marriage’ is totally beyond the pale,” Rabbi Yehuda Levin told LifeSiteNews. Levin is a pro-life and pro-family advocate and former representative of both the Jewish Union of Orthodox Rabbis and the Rabbinical Alliance of America.

    “You can’t be serious as an Orthodox Jew and support the ‘gay’ agenda,” said Brian Camenker, a pro-family advocate who attends an Orthodox synagogue in Newton, Massachusetts. Camenker, the president of the national pro-family group Mass Resistance, said the Kushners “are not like any orthodox I’ve ever seen.”

  35. Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, president of the American Jewish Congress and the World Jewish Congress, speaking before a rally in New York in 1938, said:

    “I am not an American citizen of the Jewish faith, I am a Jew. I am an American. I have been an American for sixty-three sixty-fourths of my life, but I have been a Jew for 4000 years. Hitler was right in one thing. He calls the Jewish people a race and we are a race.” [See: Wise (1938). Dr. Wise Urges Jews To Declare Selves As Such. New York Herald Tribune. June 13. p.12.]

    Medical geneticist Harry Ostrer insists the ‘biological basis of Jewishness’ cannot be ignored.

  36. Haim Cohen, a former judge of the Supreme Court of Israel, noted: “…the bitter irony of fate which has led to the same biological and racist laws propagated by the Nazis and which inspired the infamous Nuremberg laws, to serve as a basis for the definition of Judaism within the State of Israel.” ~ (Badi, J. (1960). Fundamental Laws Of The State Of Israel. New York. p.156.)
    Israeli Prime Minister’s Office says would-be immigrants from the former Soviet Union may be subjected to DNA tests to prove Jewish bloodline.

    “Not Jewish Enough to Marry a Cohen.”
    The article, “Not Jewish Enough to Marry a Cohen,” discusses how a Jewish lady named Irina Plotnikov immigrated to Israel from the former Soviet Union (FSU) in 1992, but was ruled ineligible to marry a Cohen by a rabbinic court in Jerusalem because her father is not Jewish.

  37. Jewish American scientist, author Jared Diamond, is best known for insisting that race doesn’t exist, -[he teaches this to White Americans, i.e. U.S. citizens of European racial ancestry]- but the arch hypocrite Jared Diamond is also on record boasting that DNA has finally been able to scientifically define who is a Jew which will be a boost to Israel!

    There are also practical reasons for interest in Jewish genes. The state of Israel has been going to much expense to support immigration and job retraining of Jews who were persecuted minorities in other countries. That immediately poses the problem of defining who is a Jew. For example, a debate is going on right now [November 1993] in Israel concerning policy toward Ethiopia’s remaining would-be immigrants who identify themselves as Jews. Are they descendants of ancient Jews, as they maintain, or are they descendants of converted Africans, as their physical appearance might suggest?” — (Jared Diamond, “Who Are the Jews?” Natural History, November 1993, p.12.)
    Israeli Prime Minister’s Office says would-be immigrants from the former Soviet Union may be subjected to DNA tests to prove Jewish bloodline.

  38. Pictured on page 79 of Nobel Prizewinner Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn’s, Gulag Archipelago II, are the leading administrators of the greatest killing machine in the history of the world, known as the gulags. They are Aron Solts, Yakov Rappoport, Lazar Kogan, Matvei Berman, Genrikh Yagoda, and Naftaly Frenkel. All six are Jews.

    “You must understand. The leading Bolsheviks who took over Russia were not Russians. They hated Russians. They hated Christians. Driven by ethnic hatred they tortured slaughtered millions of Russians without a shred of human remorse. The October Revolution was not what you call in America the ‘Russian Revolution.’ It was an invasion and conquest over the Russian people. More of my countrymen suffered horrific crimes at their bloodstained hands than any people or nation ever suffered in the entirety of human history. It cannot be understated. Bolshevism was the greatest human slaughter of all time. The fact that most of the world is ignorant of this reality is proof that the global media itself is in the hands of the perpetrators.” — (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn)

    Four of the largest five entertainment giants are now run or owned by Jews. [Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp (at number four) is the only gentile holdout – however, Rupert is as pro-Israel as any Jew, probably more so.” — (Los Angeles Jewish Times Oct. 29. 1999) [other sources claim Murdoch’s mother, Elisabeth J. Greene, is Jewish]

    “Who runs Hollywood? C’mon.” December 19, 2008|JOEL STEIN
    How deeply Jewish is Hollywood? When the studio chiefs took out a full-page ad in the Los Angeles Times a few weeks ago to demand that the Screen Actors Guild settle its contract, the open letter was signed by: News Corp. President Peter Chernin (Jewish), Paramount Pictures Chairman Brad Grey (Jewish), Walt Disney Co. Chief Executive Robert Iger (Jewish), Sony Pictures Chairman Michael Lynton (surprise, Dutch Jew), Warner Bros. Chairman Barry Meyer (Jewish), CBS Corp. Chief Executive Leslie Moonves (so Jewish his great uncle was the first prime minister of Israel), MGM Chairman Harry Sloan (Jewish) and NBC Universal Chief Executive Jeff Zucker (mega-Jewish). If either of the Weinstein brothers had signed, this group would have not only the power to shut down all film production but to form a minyan with enough Fiji water on hand to fill a mikvah.

  39. The below excerpts are from the linked Israeli ynet news website article entitled: “Stalin’s Jews: We mustn’t forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish.”,7340,L-3342999,00.html

    In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin.

    An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name “Genrikh Yagoda,” the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU’s deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin’s collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system.

  40. Watch: EUROPA – The Last Battle – Part 1
    The atrocities committed by the Jewish Bolsheviks against Christian Russians and Christian Ukrainians are unparalleled in scope, and sadistic cruelty. They are catalogued in this documentary, be warned, they make the sadism of Quentin Tarantino’s Hostel Movie series, seem positively benign.

    The (((tribe))) has created a torture porn genre which they call “kosher porn.” Read: “Hollywood’s Jewish Avenger.” by JEFFREY GOLDBERG, SEP 1 2009.

    Triple-exthnics. Nathan Abrams on Jews in the American porn industry.”

  41. Noel Ignatiev was an antisemite and ignorant about Jewish history and Zionism.

    Given Jewish history, we could hate Christians, but the vast majority of Jews don’t.

  42. I have met people who hated Jews JUST because they were Jews.

    I once was robbed by two white teenagers. Is it OK to hate White teenagers because two attacked me?

    Henry Ford was an antisemite. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which Ford believed was true, is a forgery created by the Czar’s secret police force in the early 1900s. Ford was a believer in antisemitic conspiracy theories that were and are fantasies.

    There were Jews who bought into Communism because Jews in Russia and the Ukraine because Jews were hated and persecuted, but they were duped. To Communists they were just useful idiots. The Russian and Ukrainian Orthodox Churches have still not had the equvalent of Vatican II.

  43. If you convert to Judaism, you also become part of the Jewish people. Jews are a nation, a civilization and a people. That is not necessarily the same as a race. It is true that Jewish law says that if your mother is Jewish, you are automatically Jewish. If you convert, you are equally Jewish. In Israel these things are controlled by the Ultra-Orthodox. Israeli law really represents their opinion.

  44. You are a history denler. Jews in towns along the Rhine River were killed by mobs or Crusaders duing the Crusades. Jews were given the choice of death or conversion. That’s just a start. Jews wer massacred on Easter, because Christians left their churches being told that Jews killed Jesus. The Cossacks massacred 100,000 Jews during the programs in the Ukraine.

  45. Henry Ford was an antisemite. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, which Ford believed was true, is a forgery created by the Czar’s secret police force in the early 1900s. Ford was a believer in antisemitic conspiracy theories that were and are fantasies.
    Sure….whatever you say.

  46. “…You are a history denler…..

    “History is the version of past events that people have decided to agree upon.” – Napoleon

  47. Yea….but they must have had a good reason for it. 🙂

  48. Hey Strongs….I have a feeling you are about to be banned! 🙂 Peace and good fortune to you my brother.

  49. Zionists did not burn copies of the “New Testament.” A few crazy Ultra-Orthodox Jews who may or may not have been Zionists burned copies of the “New Testament.” Many Ultra-Orthodox Jews are not Zionists because they don’t think there should be a Jewish state until the Messiah comes.
    Throughout history a lot more copies of the Talmud have been burned by Christians.

  50. Gawdamighty, you’re baaaaaaaaa-aaack! Another good Christian, going on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on an on about the perfidies of the Jews.

    You frighten yourself with these stories of the people who are out to get you, to have power over you, the inferiors who will do to you what you so desperately wish to do to them.

    Don’t you ever get tired of this? No. Too much adrenaline.

    You can have whatever kind of a dark and fearful and writhing soul you wish, frightened of imaginary concepts like race and religion and someone being better than you– or worse, being your equal when you think they are less than you. You don’t see the fundamental(ist) flaw in your thinking.

    The only thing more amazing than the ugliness you obsess about is the failure of the crowd of the usual suspects once again TO FAIL UTTERLY IN CALLING YOU OUT FOR IT, especially the black guy, preferring, as they so obviously do, to obsess over what benjy may or may not being doing with his dangly bits.

    Not Joe Barton. Not wes goodman. Not 2Rump.

  51. Amazing, the liberals calling out the violent thugs for their unchristian behavior, and the usual suspects of sex obsessed fanatasy silent.

  52. Yehuda Levin? Really? I did Nazi that coming.

    So a Jew, who learned nothing from the centuries of persecution OUR people suffered at the hands of so called Christians, who agrees with you, is fine. A god who destroys whole societies is fine. Because death and destruction, whether from the god of the OT, the not nIce god of the NT, is fine.

    Turds of a feather, and all that.

    The funny part of it is, you seriously think it’s about Christianity! But then, that’s what megalomania is about: me! Me! Me! me! Me! And THEY are out to get ME!

  53. Those are facts. You are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts. You prefer to live in an anti-Semitic fantasy world

  54. There are certain things in history that are facts. Gettysburg fro example.
    You pick Napoleon to quote. A very bad choice. Just because Napoleon said it, doesn’t mean it’s true.

  55. You are even more transparent 🙂 I only reply because some unwitting person might be affected by your ridiculous fantasies.

  56. Luther actually had nice things to say about Jews in the beginning. He only turned ugly when Jews refused to convert to his version of Christianity. Luther was also very dogmatic. He thought that he had found the ultimate truth and although, he questioned the Catholic Church, He himself could not be questioned.

  57. Maybe because no one wants to buy a book filled with paranoid right wing fanatasies

  58. Read that carefully 20 times, and then find a mirror.

  59. He only turned ugly when Jews refused to convert to his version of Christianity.
    Fascinating interpretation of his writing.

  60. Just like Soap made out of fat of dead bodies and lampshades made out of human skin. Facts………right. Not to mention shrunken heads. All history.

  61. Those are facts.
    “Truth is no Defense” just as in the Zundel case.

  62. In a 2002 interview with American journalist Amy Goodman, Shulamit Aloni said that charges of antisemitism are “a trick we use” to suppress criticism of Israel coming from within the United States, for criticism coming from Europe “we bring up the Holocaust.”

    We always use the anti-Semitism trick or bring up the Holocaust.” — (Former Israeli Minister Shulamit Aloni)

    The article, “Not Jewish Enough to Marry a Cohen,” published by the Israeli Haaretz news website, discusses how a Jewish lady named Irina Plotnikov immigrated to Israel from the former Soviet Union (FSU) in 1992, but was ruled ineligible to marry a Cohen by a rabbinic court in Jerusalem because her father is not Jewish.
    A number of people from the former Soviet Union wishing to immigrate to Israel could be subjected to DNA testing to prove their Jewishness, the Prime Minister’s Office said Sunday.

    The policy was reported in Maariv on Monday, one day after the Israeli paper revealed that a 19-year-old woman from the former Soviet Union was required to take the test to qualify for a Birthright Israel trip.

  64. I digress, but your talk about Me and They, reminded me of the them and us language used by a rather infamous Jewess, named Barbara Lerner Spectre.

    American Jewess Barbara Lerner Spectre, moved to Sweden and founded Paideia – The European Institute for Jewish Studies in Sweden. In a 2010 interview with Israeli IBA-News Barbara Lerner Spectre stated:

    “Europe has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think WE are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. Europe is not going to be the monolithic societies that THEY once were in the last century. Jews are going to be at the center of that. It’s a huge transformation for Europe to make. THEY are now going into a multicultural mode, and Jews will be resented because of OUR leading role. But without that leading role, and without that transformation, Europe will not survive.”

    — Oh look, another (((COHENcidence))).

    There is no place in modern europe for ethnically pure states, that’s a 19th century idea and we are trying to transition into the 21st century, and we are going to do it with multi-ethnic states.” – (((Wesley Clark)))

    Wesley Clark told The Jewish Week in New York, that his ancestors were not just Jews, but members of the priestly caste of Kohens.

    Jewish General Wesley Clark, led the 78 day NATO bombing of Orthodox Christian Serbia, in 1999 which tore away Serbia’s Orthodox Christian heartland, Kosovo and handed it over to the Narco, organ trafficking Islamic Albanian KLA.

    Here’s another (((COHENcidence))). Rabbi Baruch Efrati celebrates Europe losing its [Christian] identity, saying that Jews should rejoice at the increasing Islamization of Europe.,7340,L-4299673,00.html

  65. Censorship of the truth by Zionists and their useful leftist idiots can only delay, not prevent the truth from reaching the public. They are fighting a losing battle.

  66. I get it. I really do get it.

    You are deathly afraid of people you have labeled The Other, and rather than deal with your fears about them, you make up even more stories to tell yourself about what a threat they are to you. Then, by puffing out your masculinity, and quoting your bible, you not only get to congratulate yourself on what a strong and brave man you are, standing up to that awful threat, simultaneously, you get to congratulate yourself that god loves you more than them.

    That’s the easy part, armchair psychology 101.

    I used to have a difficult time understanding how religious Jew haters—or religious gay haters, or religious black haters— it doesn’t really matter which, because the issue is not the object of your disaffection, but YOU— could reconcile what Jesus had to say about the greatest commandment being love, and the fact that the founder of your religion was most assuredly a Jew. Your normal rational person, with a normal amount of empathy would not be able to handle the intensity of the cognitive dissonance that must surely be generated.

    But then, I began to understand two things, and the more I began to study the bigots with whom I came in contact, the clearer it became. Not all bigotry is hate, though if you can self-generate enough fear, hate is sure to grow in order to sustain the fear, absent a direct stimulus. So much bigotry, as I always say, is simply the completely unwarranted faith in a highly imaginary and completely self assigned superiority.

    I also began to understand this: how someone reads his bible depends very much on the kind of person he is, and not the other way around. For example, you do not become that person by reading the Bible, pulling out the anti-Jew passages, and saying, “Hmm. That seems like a good idea to me. Those bastards killed the Baby Jesus! I will hate them! Forever! 2000 years after ancient Jews fulfilled God’s plan, I will blame their descendants for this and hate them.”

    And of course, not even “their descendants.” Just Jews in general. Because that is the kind of person you are, not the person you decided to be because you read your Bible.

    Have you ever seen the photographs of the white people in Arkansas protesting integration? Faces twisted and distorted by rage that those uppity nigra could dare declare themselves the equals of white people. Or the equally chilling photos of lynchings— one dead black man and a sea of white faces indifferent to the mob murder Just committed.

    Unfortunately, their parents just didn’t raise them right. Unfortunately, your parents, Roy hobs’s parents, did not raise YOU right.

    And isn’t that just too sad?

  67. Yes, it’s all history. You can still see them those lampshades. They do exist. What about the Jewish infants and children that were murdered I supposed they deserved it too, becaue they would grow up to be Jews.

  68. No you’re not. You’are an antisemite and you won’t admit it. You’ve convicted yourself, but you won’t admit it. You’ve also highjacked the comments section for hateful purposes, which is supposed to be about Calvin and Calvinism.

  69. Bernie Maddoff stole my father’s pension. I hate Bernie Madoff. Does that make me an anti-Semite?
    Define ‘hate’? Never mind.
    Like you’ve never gone off topic based on something somebody wrote. Hypocrite much?

  70. LOL!!!! Just like the bone crushing machines……huh? Not to mention the 6 mil number when even your own historians have re-written that one. But poor Ursula Haverbeck is going to prison for questioning that HOLY number.

  71. Nope. Holocaust denial is the province of malicious liars. The David Irving Trial (which was initiated so Irving can silence his critics), carefully laid out all the tropes and nonsense assertions for the world to see.

    At no point can anyone in this day and age pretend Holocaust denial is worth taking seriously.

    Btw Zundel was a lying turd. Continental Europe criminalizes libel/defamation. It’s been a thing since the 19th century.

  72. I like keeping you lying bigoted turds around so the apologetic Christians can’t deny that neo Nazis are one of their own.

  73. No they aren’t.

    No link to your fit and paste means you got them from a hate site and you are too embarrassed to show that. It’s not 1996. Such ridiculous ploys don’t play anymore. You don’t get to say with a straight face you typed them from a book. People can read the Talmud online in its entirety. You neo Nazi mooks really look brain damaged with these kinds of posts. Your cut and paste bombs are just being ignored and ridiculed.

  74. And there isstill the holocaust denial and Nazi apologia to account for. The Zundel reference made that obvious.

  75. There is also the holocaust denial and Nazi apologia for you to account for. Somehow I suspect you are being dishonest about your fathers pension as well. Just to look sympathetic when you are just a run of the mill neo Nazi who feels emboldened by our present national leader.

  76. No wonder you Nazi cretins are so active on thanksgiving weekend.

    Nobody wants to invite you over to their homes. It’s a holiday which commemorates people of different races coming together in peace.

  77. They didn’t exist.

    Goodrich was a malicious lying sack of turds. The guy relies on BS artists like David Irving and IHR for his sources. A person looking to deny Nazi atrocities with false whataboutism.

    Germans were treated far better as POWs and as occupied territory by Allies than pretty much any other defeated nation had been treated before. The Allied occupation of Germany and US occupation of Japan set the gold standard in treating defeated enemies properly.

    Sorry buddy, you love evil SOBs. Just embrace it and stop being so dishonest about it.

  78. Don’t have to. He lied about EVERYTHING. Its a given that any book you cite on such a subject will be full of crap.

    “…Rather, what is happening here is typical for Neo-Nazis and holocaust deniers: Citing incomplete facts and narratives or refusing to contextualize them, they seek to either negate the historical record or impose a new narrative. Goodrich is trying very hard in his book to create a moral equivalent between Allied policies and events from post-war history and the Holocaust, essentially arguing that the latter wasn’t that bad in light of what the others did.”

    Through purposely omitting and changing facts, sources and interpretations, he shows that his real interest lies not in these stories and unraveling them historically by contextualizing them but in writing his version of a fantasy history that takes suffering from the people forced from their homes and subjected to violence to portray Nazism as a positive thing.

    Rather than treating history with the seriousness and professionalism it deserves, he just peddles Nazi propaganda, going so far as alleging (also in the prologue), an Allied intention driven by Jews to commit genocide against the Germans. Again, taking stuff out of context or citing it not in full, he twists and turns history to fit his ends and blame Jews. He essentially makes demonstrably false Nazi propaganda his main source.

    This is a typical endeavor of Holocaust deniers and neo-nazis and goes to show that just because a book cites something, it is necessarily true or has the meaning it assigns to it.

    Happy now?

  79. Yep. Stalin comes to mind more quickly. A man who was raised to be a priest.

  80. Wasn’t this comment section supposed to be about Calvin and Hobbes or something? What’s the deal with the Nazi trolls?

  81. Yes, if you hate Jews because Bernie Madoff stole your father’s pension. A lot of Jewish organizations money was also stolen by Bernie Madoff. I suppose you blame them too.

  82. You haven’t noticed that most leftists are ant-Zionists.

  83. Fury as Russia launches investigation into whether the last tsar Nicholas II was killed with his family as part of a ‘Jewish ritual murder’, at behest of Putin’s ‘confessor’
    Russia is launching an investigation into whether Tsar Nicholas II and his family were killed by Jews as part of a ‘ritual murder’ in a move that has infuriated anti-Semitism campaigners.

    Father Tikhon Shevkunov, the Orthodox bishop heading an investigatory panel, is among hardcore members of the church who claim the final Russian emperor was murdered in a Jewish ritual.

  84. In your post, you wrote, “the founder of your religion was most assuredly a Jew.” — Wrong! Jesus Christ has NO racial relation to the people known today as Jews. The Lord Jesus Christ was an Israelite from the tribe of Judah via his mother the Blessed Virgin Mary. Modern Jewry does NOT descend from the Biblical 12 Tribes of Israel. Contemporary Jewry is primarily descended from Edomites, [referred to as Idumeans by the Greeks & Romans] who were forcibly converted to Judaism by Johanan Hycarnus in 130BC, recorded by historian Flavius Josephus. [See below]. The prophet Obadiah foretells the extermination of Esau’s Edomite offspring, [which “Modern Jewry” descends from] in Obadiah 1:9, Obadiah 1:18.

    The Historian Flavius Josephus writes in “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13: Chapter 9, Section 1: “Hyrcanus took also Dora, and Marissa, cities of Idumea, and subdued all the Idumeans; and permitted them to stay in that country, if they would circumcise their genitals, and make use of the laws of the Jews; and they were so desirous of living in the country of their forefathers, that they submitted to the use of circumcision, and of the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time therefore this befel them, that they were hereafter no other than Jews.

    The Greek geographer, philosopher, and historian Strabo further testifies to the colonisation of Judea by Edomite converts to Judaism in Geography [Book 16 Chapter 2 Section 34].

    In “Wars” Book 2, Chapter 8, Section 2, Historian Flavius Josephus states that of the Pharisees, Sadducees and Essens, ONLY the Essens were Israelites by birth.
    “For there are three philosophical sects among the Jews. The followers of the first of which are the Pharisees; of the second, the Sadducees; and the third sect, which pretends to a severer discipline, are called Essens. These last are Jews by birth, and seem to have a greater affection for one another than the other sects have.”— Excerpt from “Wars” Book 2, Chapter 8, Section 2

    This indicates that the Pharisees and Sadducees, (who Jesus Christ rebukes, e.g. See Matthew 16:1-4) were converts to Judaism, most likely of Edomite ethnicity given King Herod was an Edomite, and Judea’s demographic makeup around the time of Jesus Christ was primarily comprised of Edomites who had been forcibly converted to Judaism in 130BC by Hasmonean leader Johanan Hycarnus, as recorded in: “Antiquities of the Jews” Book 13: Chapter 9, Section1.

    King Herod was the son of an Idumean[Edomite] who had been forced to covert to Judaism.

    “Edom is in modern Jewry.” — The Jewish Encyclopedia, 1925 edition, Vol. 5, page 41. In Revelation 2:9, Revelation 3:9, Apostle John speaks of imposters who “say they are Jews, and are not” labelling them the “synagogue of Satan.”

  85. Wow, lay off the Hallucinogens. I assure you, 2010 was not “a century ago.”

  86. Oh, all butthurt that the people you despise are as good as you.

    Good. Good. Let the butthurt flow through you.

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